Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

+1 from me. Dirk Am 29. Dezember 2015 20:29:01 MEZ, schrieb Bill Deegan : >All, > >So are we good with: >http://contributor-covenant.org/ > >If so I'll add it to the new website. > >-Bill > >On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Dirk Bächle wrote: > >>

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

All, So are we good with: http://contributor-covenant.org/ If so I'll add it to the new website. -Bill On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:39 AM, Dirk Bächle wrote: > Anatoly, > > Am 28.12.2015 um 15:33 schrieb anatoly techtonik: > >> [...] >> >>> I'm not sure why you're objecting to

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

It's OK with me. As I said at the beginning I'd prefer something broader and less specific but I didn't find anything useful. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Bill Deegan wrote: > All, > > So are we good with: > http://contributor-covenant.org/ > > If so I'll add it

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Anatoly, Am 28.12.2015 um 15:33 schrieb anatoly techtonik: [...] I'm not sure why you're objecting to this unless you think you are likely to violate a CoC.. Because following CoC makes people CoC-followers, which is offensive for some. Don't be a jerk rule is good enough and the rules should

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 10:27 PM, William Blevins wrote: > I'm not opposed to a CoC; I'm just a skeptic neutral party. > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Tim Jenness wrote: >> >> >> > On Dec 10, 2015, at 09:59 , Gary Oberbrunner

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Tim Jenness wrote: > >> On Dec 10, 2015, at 09:59 , Gary Oberbrunner wrote: >> >> I don't see it that way. I see it as a proactive, positive step. >> > > +1 > >> Look, right now there's a lot of, well, not-so-nice people

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Bill Deegan wrote: > Anatoly, > > In the entire history of SCons we've only had a small handful of instances > where any of the proposed CoC's might have been violated. > So infrequent I can't remember the last one. > > That said, if you

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: > I don't see it that way. I see it as a proactive, positive step. > > Look, right now there's a lot of, well, not-so-nice people in the world. > Many of them hang out online. This isn't PC, it's a fact of modern

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Tue, 2015-12-08 at 02:08 +, William Blevins wrote: […] > > You are somewhat contradicting yourself here. If we show that we care > based > on our actions, then why do we need a badge that says we care?  Our > actions > should speak louder than a code of conduct. > > If we want a code of

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 09:59 , Gary Oberbrunner wrote: > > I don't see it that way. I see it as a proactive, positive step. > +1 > Look, right now there's a lot of, well, not-so-nice people in the world. Many > of them hang out online. This isn't PC, it's a fact of

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Seems that we are mostly all either in favor of having one or neutral about having a CoC,so maybe we should just pick a simple one. On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Tue, 2015-12-08 at 02:08 +, William Blevins wrote: > […] > > > > You are

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:35 PM, Alexandre Feblot wrote: > Hi, > Call me the Grinch, but I have the feeling there are 2 kinds of people in > the world: > * those who behave naturally, who don't need such written CoC because it is > obvious for them, And they are also +1,

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Dirk Bächle wrote: > As Bill reported, people start to ask for a CoC when looking at a project. What are their motivations? 1. "I am acting according to rules. I want to know if your rules match those that I am acting." 2. "I am too vulnerable. I

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Anatoly, In the entire history of SCons we've only had a small handful of instances where any of the proposed CoC's might have been violated. So infrequent I can't remember the last one. That said, if you can prove harm or point to any project where it harmed their community to have a CoC, then

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On 08.12.2015 20:01, anatoly techtonik wrote: On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 4:33 AM, Dirk Bächle wrote: As Bill reported, people start to ask for a CoC when looking at a project. What are their motivations? 1. "I am acting according to rules. I want to know if your rules match

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On 08.12.2015 22:36, Gary Oberbrunner wrote: Indeed. I think the discussion so far points to let's have one, keep it short & sweet. I don't see any real reasons not to, and some possible benefits to having one. +1, Dirk ___ Scons-dev mailing list

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Bill Deegan wrote: > All, > > Perhaps it's a good idea to add an official code of conduct for SCons. > http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-hugging-will-continue-until-morale-improves/ > > The following site seems to provide a reasonable

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Dirk Bächle wrote: > Hi all, > > On 04.12.2015 18:10, Bill Deegan wrote: > >> All, >> >> Perhaps it's a good idea to add an official code of conduct for SCons. >> >> http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-hugging-will-continue-until-morale-improves/ >>

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

An extra 2cents of opinion from me.. ;) A few things a CoC would help with: 1) It could encourage more participation on the mailing lists. Open source projects have been notorious for scathing responses to simple questions. Surprisingly I've been at clients who have used SCons for years and never

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Hi all, On 04.12.2015 18:10, Bill Deegan wrote: All, Perhaps it's a good idea to add an official code of conduct for SCons. http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-hugging-will-continue-until-morale-improves/ The following site seems to provide a reasonable code. http://contributor-covenant.org/

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On 07.12.2015 21:35, Alexandre Feblot wrote: Hi, Call me the Grinch, but I have the feeling there are 2 kinds of people in the world: * those who behave naturally, who don't need such written CoC because it is obvious for them, * those who would need it but definitely won't read and consider

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Given the tide is in favour of having a CoC, and given current society I will (albeit grudgingly (*)) admit we should adopt one, then it might be wise to look around rather than just plump quickly for one. I like and trust Skills Matter so into the pot for debate I put forward:  http

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

te seems to provide a reasonable code. > http://contributor-covenant.org/ > > Thoughts? > > -Bill > p.s. as an aside I also work on Buildbot and they applied for an open > source grant through Mozilla's $1M grant program. One of the questions was > "Do you have a code of con

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

also work on Buildbot and they applied for an open >> source grant through Mozilla's $1M grant program. One of the questions was >> "Do you have a code of conduct". >> >> ___ >> Scons-dev mailing list >> Scons-de

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

Russel, I'm guessing common sense is increasingly less common, thus the utility for such.. (sadly) -Bill On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Russel Winder wrote: > On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:10 -0500, Bill Deegan wrote: > > All, > > > > Perhaps it's a good idea to add an

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

On Fri, 2015-12-04 at 12:10 -0500, Bill Deegan wrote: > All, > > Perhaps it's a good idea to add an official code of conduct for > SCons. > http://blog.codinghorror.com/the-hugging-will-continue-until-morale-i > mproves/ > > The following site seems to provide a reasonable code. >

Re: [Scons-dev] Code of conduct?

I don't see an issue. Seems that we would also need an enforcement policy? On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Bill Deegan wrote: > Russel, > > I'm guessing common sense is increasingly less common, thus the utility > for such.. > (sadly) > > -Bill > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2015