[scots-l] Re: ABCs
Jack Campin wrote: Still a bit slow here?... Yup. What we need is a nice controversy. Here's another tune in the same vague category as Nigel's. I wrote it a few months ago. X:1 T:Fluffy Thing C:Jack Campin http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack/ 2004 M:6/8 L:1/8 K:A Lydian A2e e3|d2A e3 |A2 e e3 |=g2^g a3 | A2e e3|d2A e3 |ag=g e2d| ed`e a3:| f2d e3|aga f2d|f2 d e3 | ag`a b3 | b2d e3|agf f2e|ag=g e2d| ed`e a3:| Good one - about a cat by any chance? What's the symbol between the d and the e (| ed`e |) mean? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: ABCs
Jack Campin wrote: I'd prefer a bit more chromatic weirdness in bars 3 and 7, though: X:735 T:Untitled C:Nigel Gatherer Jack the Lad Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:6/8 K:Am EAB cBA|FAB cBA|^FAB =F^FA|^GAB GAB | EAB cBA|FAB cBA|^FAB =F^FA|^GAB cde|| fdB Bcd|ecA ABc| B^GE EGB | AcA ^cde | fdB Bcd|ecA ABc| B^GE EGB | BA^G A3 || Ooh, ooh, dare I? Och, I dinna ken. It's affy, like, WEIRD - whit wid ma auld faither say? Bit ah do like it. Thanks for that, Jack, and welcome back! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: ABCs
Matt Seattle wrote: Matt spots the deliberate mistake this week - glad you're awake, Matt! Yes Nigel, but I was really wondering whether it should be mixolydian rather than dorian - ? Aha - yes, Matt wins again for spotting the second, third, fourth, and fifth deliberate mistakes. /Very/ glad you're awake, Matt! If I offered any excuse it would be carelessness, pure and simple. Oh, and brain-deadedness. I seem to be working all the hours God sends at the moment - looking forward to December. Now, guys, see if you can pick this one apart. It started as a fingering exercise and very quickly became a tune. X:735 T:Untitled C:Nigel Gatherer Nov 2004 Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:6/8 K:Am EAB cBA | FAB cBA | ^FAB cBA | ^GAB GAB | EAB cBA | FAB cBA | ^FAB cBA | ^GAB cde || fdB Bcd | ecA ABc | B^GE EGB | AcA ^cde | fdB Bcd | ecA ABc | B^GE EGB | BA^G A3 || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: ABCs
Matt Seattle wrote: Nigel, are you sure you got the mode right for Cassino? Sounds decidedly odd IMHO! Matt spots the deliberate mistake this week - glad you're awake, Matt! Yes, of course you're right. The key it's normally in is A dorian - I think - but on the record I took it from it was played in E dorian. Sorry for that! Iain MacInnes is a piper who has played with The Tannahill Weavers and Smalltalk (the band then metamorphosed into Ossian mark 2), and I loved his work on the Smalltalk album, and was particularly taken with his rendition of The Heights of Cassino. He later became a student of mine when he joined my mandolin class; I got quite a shock when I realised it was him, but he's such a very nice man. I asked him about that recording, and he told me he played it on an A low whistle, so had he played it on a D whistle, it would indeed have been in A dorian. Yah boo sucks. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: ABCs
John Chambers wrote: ...It sounds better to me if I play it as Amix. This is the same key sig as Edorian, of course, but the tonic is clearly A. So should the c's be sharp or natural? Sharp all the way. Of course you're right, John - Amix. My infamous fumbling when it comes to talking about modes is evident. Part of why I'd put it into Amix is that it looks and sounds like a highland pipe tune. But I suppose it doesn't have to be. It's a pipe tune, but the reason for offering this alternative way of playing it is that it sounds wonderful. When I first transposed it I tried to stay faithful to the way it was played on the record. It's a lovely, haunting tune, isn't it? As I spend a lot of time driving these days, I'm always listening to music, and in traffic jams I try to learn some tunes. I heard a nice tune on a Deaf Shepherd recording this week - Clanranald. As the queues of cars crawled along, I worked it out on the whistle which is always in the side pocket. It was probably a straightforward reel originally, but the band plays it as a slow reel. Aha - I've just looked it up, and one alternative name for it is given as MacKinnon's Brook - isn't that a Cape Breton setting? Kate Dunlay says may be related - I think more certainly. Can't work out the proper mode. Or, more truthfully, can't be bothered working it out. X:734 T:Clanranald S:Deaf Shepherd Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:Em Z | E3 B GEE^c | dDDA FDAF | E3 B GE B/c/d | FDAF BEE :| f | geBA GFEg | fdAG FEDf | geBA GFE^c| dBAF BEE f | geBA GFEg | fdAG FEDf | gbfa efde | BdAF BEE || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Rocky Road to Dublin
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Drums wrote: Does anyone know when Rocky Road to Dublin was written? It was in O'Neill's Dance Music of Ireland (1905?), but there is an earlier sighting in Ryan's Mammoth Collection (1883)... I've checked and the one in Mammoth is a different tune with the same title. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] ABCs
Always something there to remind me... If you have a moment, I'd love to see your ABCs for the term. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: ABCs
Nigel Gatherer wrote: Always something there to remind me... If you have a moment, I'd love to see your ABCs for the term. Oops. Private email sent to list (hi Derek). It is a sad reflection of the state of the list that nobody has metaphorically flayed me for this digression. Not even a flyting from Rev Adkins. Och. Crivvens. My penance: X:720 T:Heights of Cassino, The S:As played by Iain MacInnes (Smalltalk) Z:Nigel Gatherer M:6/8 L:1/8 K:Ador B/c/ | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 :| c/d/ | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 c/d/ | ecA c3 | c2e cBA | BBB B2A | BcB AFD | EEE EFA | c2e cBA | c2E c2B | A3- A2 || z| E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 :| c/d/ | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 c/d/ | ecA ABc | EEE c3 | c2e cBA | BcB AFD | E3 FED | EEE c3 | c2E c2B | A3- A2 || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Rocky Road to Dublin
Drums wrote: Does anyone know when Rocky Road to Dublin was written? It was in O'Neill's Dance Music of Ireland (1905?), but there is an earlier sighting in Ryan's Mammoth Collection (1883) - I don't know about anything earlier than that, so you might surmise it's a 19th century product, but it may have evolved from an earlier form. Why, Ross? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Put Me In the Big Chest
I have played this tube for ages, but last night at a session in Glasgow I heard a four-part version. Anyone else know it, and if so, can you tell me if the following is roughly how it's played? I don't think the 4th part is right. X:730 T:Put Me In the Big Chest S:Sessions, Laurie's Bar, Glasgow 18/10/04 Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:A EFAB c2 cf | ecBA F2 AF | EFAB cBcf | ecBc A3 z :| efec eAAc | efec BABc | efec efaf | ecBc A3 a :| EFAB c2 cB | c2 cB ce e2 | EFAB cBcf | ecBc A3 z :| efec eA A2 | efec BABc | efec efaf | ecBc A3 a :| -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Put Me In the Big Chest
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have played this tube for ages do you mean tuba? a shlightly shurprising choice of inshtrument! I always tell people that I picked my main instrument - the mandolin - because there happened to be one lying around the house. And that I'm very pleased, in hindsight, that my brother didn't play the tuba! Just put some photos of one of my sessions on the web at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/photo.html I'm the guy who's a bit overweight and look far too old and grey for my age (playing mandolin and whistle). -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Put Me In the Big Chest
Toby Rider wrote:
This is one of those standards..
According to Dunlay/Greenberg ('Traditional Celtic Violin Music of Cape
Breton') it's usually played as a two-part tune, which is the way I
know it. They also give a variation of the A part as played by John
Campbell, which is played as a C part, but returns to the usual B part
for the fourth turn.
So, if the four=part version is a standard, how do you play the fourth
part Toby?
Derek Hoy wrote:
Looks pretty much as I've heard it, except 2nd bar of 3rd part ends
on an f instead of the e.
Aha! Thanks Derek. I actually had a few tunes with your daughter Sarah
recently, and I think she may have played it on that occasion. I think
the youngsters must have picked it up somewhere - Natalie MacMaster
maybe?
Must sound pretty good on your tube.
Jealousy gets you nowhere.
--
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[scots-l] Re: Put Me In the Big Chest
Toby Rider wrote: So you also play the pennywhistle? I've been playing the penny whistle longer than the mandolin, and currently teach four whistle classes a week. Considering how long I've played, I should be a heck of a lot better than I am! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Put Me In the Big Chest
Toby Rider wrote: I play it 4 parts, the last part as the normal B part. I actually learned that song from Kate, during a very cold Canadian winter, many years ago :-) Well, that's the way I'll play it, then. I had an idea they played it slightly different in the pub, but not so much that it'll make a huge difference. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] New Tunebook(s)
Bev wrote: Just to let you know - I received both books safe and sound - and very nice they are too! Am I to understand that you received copies of The Joy of Sets, volumes one and two, and that they not only were in good condition when they arrived, but you were astounded by the quality of the books? Thanks Bev - I can wholly understand your waxing lyrical about the books, but I wouldn't want anybody on this list to be influenced into buying these excellent stocking-fillers, even if they are extremely reasonably priced. Far rather they looked at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/pigp.html and then they could take their time reading about these books and other fine publications from the Pigpipe Press. Just finished a very tough but enjoyable week. Saturday played for ceilidh dancing in Pitlochry. We shared the stage with a rock/pop midi combo, which almost everybody hated, especially those who thought they had come for Scottish Country Dancing. When we went on everybody danced, which eased the fraught situation. We came off quite well, despite the fact that the line-up had NEVER actually met before, let alone played. Well, I regularly play with the accordionist and guitarist, but he'd drafted in a couple of youngsters on bass and drums; they'd never actually heard the music we played, but busked along. The drum kit was directly behind me, so I could hardly hear myself play. Nevertheless, a Polish guy came up to me afterwards and said that I was the Jimi Hendrix of the mandolin. I've been called a few things (including The White James Brown by an ebullient disc jockey), but that takes the biscuit. During the week I had several classes starting for the Scots Music Group. Enrolment generally had been down on last year, so I worried about whether some classes would go ahead. I worried needlessly, dear readers, as my students came in droves. The biggest challenges will be the clarinet in my slow session group, and the women in my beginners whistle class who cannot coordinate her fingers. It's great to be back! Wednesday my Slow Session moved to a new venue (The Green Room at Bennett's Bar, Tollcross, Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom, Europe, the World, the Universe), and I told the manager that I didn't think many would turn up the first night. In the end we had nine or ten, more than I expected. It makes a change when the bar manager asks us if we want a tray of sandwiches! Steve Wyrick's friend Julie from California popped in and showed me photos of a young handsome fiddler who can't possibly be Steve - I had the impression we were all old fogeys on this list! Yesterday I managed to complete my JSD Band LP collection with the missing first album (Country of the Blind, 1971). So, Scots-L, how on earth ARE you all? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Dance Speeds, A Comparitive Study
In preparation for a gig (and with some spare time, obviously) I've been looking at how fast some ceilidh dances are played by various bands. I'd be interested to hear from ceilidh band players about whether they play faster, slower or don't care. Band (metronome speed per beat) THE GAY GORDONS The Occasionals (108) Riverside Ceilidh Band (114) Benachally Ceilidh Band (114) Wick SCD Band (116) Auld Reekie SCD Band (117) Foundry Bar Band (122) STRIP THE WILLOW Wick SCD Band (116) Foundry Bar Band (118) Riverside Ceilidh Band (120) The Occasionals (126) Auld Reekie SCD Band (126) Benachally Ceilidh Band (131) DASHING WHITE SERGEANT Riverside Ceilidh Band (118) Auld Reekie SCD Band (122) Jimmy Shand (126) The Occasionals (126) Benachally Ceilidh Band (127) CANADIAN BARN DANCE Riverside Ceilidh Band (86) Benachally Ceilidh Band (83) Wallochmor (88) Wick SCD Band (93) ST BERNARDS WALTZ* Benachally Ceilidh Band (193) PRIDE OF ERIN WALTZ* Benachally Ceilidh Band (169) MILITARY TWO STEP Benachally Ceilidh Band (128) EIGHTSOME REEL Wallochmor (116) Foundry Bar Band (122) Auld Reekie SCD Band (124) [* = waltzes on each of three beats in a bar] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Annie Gilchrist
Cynthia Cathcart wrote: ...I tip-toed around Chris Johnson for months (the moderator of the wire-harp list), not sure if I should address her...him, as she or...well...you get the idea... ...and? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Cameron Men
Steve Wyrick wrote: ...Any chance of posting some clips? OK. See http://www.nigelgatherer.com/perf/fiddlers/cammn.html -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: New Tunebook
Toby Rider wrote: My latest publication... [Snip] How much will it cost? I need to work out the postage costs, but the basic cost will be UKP4.00, and whatever the carriage is on top. I'll let you know full details soon - I was just a little excited, wanted to share. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Emails (was: Skye Dance Reels)
madfiddler wrote: [Snip] Veda - not sure which email program you're using, but if you could figure out how to send your contributions as plain text (i.e. turn off your HTML option), it would be much appreciated. In Outlook Express, go to the 'Tools' menu, select 'Options'. In the window that appears, select the 'Send' tab (2nd from left). In the 'Mail sending format' section choose 'Plain Text'. Then click 'Apply' and then 'OK'. Thanks. My off-topic penance: X:713 T:Herr Rolloff's Farewell C:James Scott Skinner B:Harp Claymore Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:F C | A2 BG c2 AF | f2 ed c2 F2 | E2 F2 D2 EF | B2 A2 G3 C | A2 BG c2 AF | f2 ed c2 F2 | E2 FD C2 FB | A2 G2 F3 || A | A2 de f2 ed | e2 A2 d3 G | G2 cd e2 dc | d2 G2 c3 C | A2 BG c2 AF | f2 Bd c2 AF | E2 F2 C2 FB | A2 G2 F3 || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Emails (was: Skye Dance Reels)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], madfiddler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this do it? I'll make an attempt to shut it off when I email the list. Yes, that's it, veda - thanks for your consideration! -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: was Robt. Petrie's 2nd collection ABCs complete
Bev wrote: There was another JKS tune with Spey in the title whose name escapes me at the moment - clues anyone? Music o' Spey is probably the one you mean. Or... Banks of Spey Source of Spey The Rolling Spey (None of these are Skinner's) -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Untitled Ossian Reel - ID?
Barbara wrote: That's one of my favorite albums (remember those - the big black things made of vinyl?). I looked on the liner notes and don't see the reel listed but I played the ABC you sent and I definitely remember it. Which track is it part of? Em...em...To the Begging I think. I am currently slogging through a transcription of The Unicorn by Ossian fiddler Stuart Morison as played by the Tannahill Weavers. I am not very good at this, but when I'm passionate about a tune that I want to learn, I force myself to try. I can sort-of play it by ear on fiddle, but it is in 3-flats which is not particularly harp friendly. Once I get it transcribed, I can tell my program to change keys (either up or down) and pick the one that sounds closest to the original key. Wish me luck! Good luck, Barb. Which album is it on? D'you want some help? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Untitled Ossian Reel - ID?
Derek Hoy wrote: Nigel Gatherer wrote: Anyone know what this tune is? It's known round these parts as the 'P' tune for some reason. It's really a pipe setting of the Periwig, and one of these tunes which is more attractive for being downsized for the GHB :) Thanks, Derek. It's in Simon Fraser, I think. I see I have The Periwig on an Old Blind Dogs record - must listen to it. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Robt. Petrie's 2nd collection ABCs complete
Steve Wyrick wrote: I've finally completed my abc transcription (melody line only) of Robert Petrie's A Second Collection of Strathspey Reels c., 1795, which I'll send to anyone on the list who wants it. This one has 70 tunes, a number of which have never been reprinted. I have now placed both First and Second Collections on my website at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc/petr.html You can download the tunes one by one using the alphabetical title index, or all of them in one file. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Grand Scottish Quiz
Nigel Gatherer wrote: ...This year's quiz... Due to the underwhelming response (I've had ONE off-list effort), I'll give you one more week for this quiz before relieving you with the answers. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Skinner ABCs (was: Robt. Petrie's 2nd collection...)
Bev Lawton wrote: I am particularily looking for ABC's of J. Scott Skinner Not many, I'm afraid, but you'll see part of my Skinner ABC selection at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc/abc6.html There are currently 22 tunes there. There are also more than 700 other tunes, mostly Scottish, but some Irish, American and other tunes too, at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc.html -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Hey Ho! My Bonnie Lass
Anyone heard this tune before? I think it's probably a pipe tune, but I've not come across it in any of my books. X:568 T:Hey Ho! My Bonnie Lass D:Iain MacPhail Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:A A2 ec efae | c2 AB c2 Bc | A2 ec efae | B2 ce f2 ef | A2 ec efae | c2 AB c2 BA | dfBd ceAc | Bcde fefg || a2 af efae | c2 AB c2 Bc | a2 af efae | B2 ce f2 ef | aAaf efae | c2 AB c2 BA | dfBd ceAc | Bcde f2 e2 |] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Milestone
I use ABC notation to prepare music for my classes, and I'm amazed that I've just reached number 700 in my collection. Of course, by now I'm very fast, although inevitably mistakes creep in. What a responsibility: in 50 years people will be playing that wrong A note in sessions, and saying But that's what Gatherer had! Anyway, here's number 700: X:700 T:Lord Randall's Bride S:As played by Adam Rennie on a 78rpm Z:Nigel Gatherer M:2/4 L:1/8 K:G D | GA Be | dBBe | dB c/B/A/G/ | FA Ad | GA Be | de/f/ ge | d/e/d/B/ Ad/c/| BG G :| d | gf a/g/f/e/ | dB Bd | gf e/f/g/e/ | Be e2 | de/f/ ga | b/a/g/f/ ge | d/e/d/B/ Bd/c/| BG G :| X:702 T:Eight Men of Moidart S:As played by Bert Shorthouse on an LP Z:Nigel Gatherer M:2/4 L:1/8 K:D A/d/ | f/e/d/c/ dA | F2 DA | F/G/A DA | FE E A/d/ | f/e/d/c/ dA | F2 DA | F/G/A EA | FD D :| A/G/ | FD AD | BD AD | FDAD | B/A/G/F/ E A/G/ | FD AD | BD AD | F/G/A EA | FD D :| X:701 T:Snouts and Ears S:As played by Jimmy Blue on an LP Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:2/4 K:A e | aA AB | ce ab/a/| ge e/f/g/a/ | be ef/g/| a/g/f/e/ dc | Be e/f/e/d/ | cA BA/B/| cA A :| B | cA AB | ce ef/e/| dB Bc | da a/f/e/d/ | cA AB | ce ef/e/| dB a/f/e/d/ | cA A :| -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Tune ID
rog wrote: X:692 T:Scots Reel i recognise this - it's an old favourite of mine. i think i know it from one of the Cavendish recordings, but i don't think it's one of their tunes (i'll have a check through the book though). Thanks, rog, I have a Cavendish LP in the cellar, but I haven't been down for a while. However, I'm trying to tidy my office and keep coming across hundreds - maybe thousands - of tunes, many on loose sheets picked up from here and there. And lo and behold, I had a look at a sheet with a dance and tunes composed for the wedding of Princess Elizabeth, so that must be from the early 1950s. Along with The Duke and Duchess of Edinburgh is Birkhall which turns out to be the tune I was looking for! X:693 T:Birkhall C:John Robertson S:Sheet published by Rae MacIntosh, Edinburgh, early 1950s (?) Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:D A | d2 fd A2 dA | FAFD A2 FA | B2 dB A2 d2 | e3 f e2 A2 | defd A2 dA | FAFD A2 FA | Bcde fA e2 | d4 d2 fg | a3 b a2 f2 | df A2 d2 ef | g3 a g2 e2 | ce A2 e2 fg | a3 b a2 f2 | df A2 d2 ef | gage A2 Bc | dd d2 d2 :| P.S. I'm listening to 'The Winnowing' by The Cast - what an excellent album it is, too. They've another couple of CDs out - must buy them... -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Shetland Molecule, The
Does any body know a tune called The Shetland Molecule? I heard it at a session and I thought I'd take a look at it, but I don't know anything about it. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Help with Chords
Dan Mozell wrote: ...I like the first and fifth measure G chords to last through the measure... David Francis wrote: Something along these lines sounds quite nice I think... Gosh, I've got two experts making an effort for me - thanks to both of you for taking the time. I really appreciate it. Chords aren't my strong suit - I make a stab, but I lack the imagination shown by more experienced players. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Grand Scottish Quiz
Michty me, the holidays must be here. This year's quiz is a mixture: some easy questions, some stinkers. Quite a few you can guess without actually knowing the answer. There is a prize, but have a go just for fun, even if it's only one question. There are four parts... STRAIGHT 1. What Scottish tune is known in Ireland as The Belles of Tipperary and in America as Billy In the Low Ground? 2. What Scottish tune is known in Ireland as Miller of Draughin and in America as Grey Eagle? 3. Add the number of Pipers (an' a', an' a'), the number of Marys (in Mary Hamilton), the number of Furlongs from Edinburgh Town, and the number of Men of Moidart. COLOURS (tune names and songs) 4. Dashing _ _ _ _ _ Sergeant 5. The _ _ _ _ _ Hills of Tyrol 6. The Old _ _ _ _ Cat 7. Campbell's Farewell to _ _ _ castle 8. Lassie Wi the _ _ _ _ _ _ Coatie 9. My Love Is Like a Red, Red, _ _ _ _ 10. _ _ _ _ _ _ and Blue 11. _ _ _ _ Bonnets Over the Border 12. Ho Ro, My _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Maiden 13. Jeannie's _ _ _ _ _ E'en PUZZLES (common tune names:) Example: Brownie Ball (5,5) = Fairy Dance 14. Nick 'twixt outfitters (3,4,5,3,7) 15. Warrior's rapture (8,3) 16. Elevated touchdown spirit (8,6) 17. An Angus Dudelsack player (3,5,1,6) 18. Reddish-yellow, but also downhearted (6,3,4) 19. Stylish, ashen military man (7,5,8) 20. Jethro, oh! leave spirit (12) 21. Our metal worker's a brave brigadier (3, 5's,1,7,7) 22. The small gherkin drag (3,3,6,3) 23. Mrs Wren's halfpenny (5's,6) 24. Please jump that burn, you nincumpoop (4,3,3,6,7) 25. Base of the hit, toss a ball (6,2,3,5,4) ANAGRAMS (Scottish bands/musicians): Example: Bad inflated belt busted hard-working Glaswegians (11,4) = Battlefield Band 26. Fools went crazy for Highland folk-rock band. (9) 27. Hard fed sheep upset respected fiddles/pipes combo. (4, 8) 28. Lazy, wild sir danced to Scots superstars. (5,6) 29. A lilac recipe prepared for Gaelic music lovers. (12) 30. Box player got pickled - an inch hung limp. (4,10) -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Help with Chords
I'm having difficulty fitting chords to this tune. Here's my effort - can anybody suggest anything better? X:691 T:Nuala's Jig C:Nigel Gatherer Z:Nigel Gatherer M:6/8 L:1/8 K:G GG2B D7dcA | AGF GGBd | Gg3 d2B | D7cAG FED | GG2B D7dcA | AGF GGBd | Gg3 Dafd | D7cAF GG3 :| EmB2e gfe | Dfaf def | Gg3 d2B | D7cAG FED | EmB2e gfe | Dfaf def | Gg3 Dafd | D7cAF GG3 :| -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tune ID
I feel as though I should know this tune; does anyone else recognise it? Apparently on the record 'Andy DeJarlis and the Early Settlers' it was paired with Countryside Polka, which I've come across as Cameron Men's Polka No.1 (Aly Bain), Angus Polka No.1 (Boys of the Lough and Traditional Polka (Jim Cameron's Band) X:692 T:Scots Reel B:Donna Hinds, Grumbling Old Woman N:From an Andy DeJarlis LP Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:D (3ABc | d2 fd A2 dA | FADF A2 FA | B2 dB A2 cd | e2 ef e3 A | d2 fd A2 dA | FADF A2 dc | Bcde fd e2 | d6 :| fg| a3 b a2 f2 | df A2 f2 ef | g3 a g2 e2 | ce A2 e2 fg| a3 b a2 f2 | df A2 f2 ef | gece A2 Bc | d2 f2 d2 :| X:416 T:Traditional Polka T:Angus Polka No.1 T:Cameron Men's Polka No.1 T:Countryside Polka D:Boys of the Lough, Farewell and Remember Me Z:Nigel Gatherer M:2/4 L:1/16 K:D A2f2 B2g2 | A2f2 f2ef | gfed cdef | edcB AGFG | A2f2 B2g2 | A2f2 f2ef | gfed cABc |1 d2f2 d3B :|2 d2f2 d3 z || F2A2 ABAF | G2B2 B2cB | A2cB AGFE | DFAB A2AG | F2A2 ABAF | G2B2 B2cB | ABcB AGFE | D2F2 D2z2 :|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: two tunes
Jack Campin wrote: God, things are dead here... something to be going on with: X:2 T:Edmund MacKenzie of Plockton C:Andrew Rankine The other day a fiddler and I, bored and with obviously nothing better to do, played a string of tunes we hated. Edmund MacKenzie of Plockton was one of them! I can't really see much to recommend it, but perhaps I'm missing something. Mind you, it's easily learned in a few minutes, so it may be a good tuition tune - I'm always on the lookout for those. I've just come back from the Tinto summer school, which was wonderful in many ways. It's a residential school for children, and it was remarkable to spend a week with so many talented young people playing traditional music. I also learned a few new tunes, so it was worthwhile for me too! I'll discuss them later. Part of the week involved going to a Fine Friday concert. Boy, they're a terrific band and they were cooking that night. I mean musically. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Shetland Fiddler, The
Do any of you play this tune in a set? What other tunes do you play with it? X:686 T:Shetland Fiddler, The D:Altan Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:D Ac | d2 fd Adfe | defg afdf | e2 ge Beed | cdef gece | d2 fd Adfe | defg afde |(3fga fd (3fga fd | Bgec d2 :| cd | eAfA gAaA | faaf gfed | A2 BA cAdA | efed cABc | dAeA fAgA | faaf gefd |(3fga fd (3fga fd | Bgec d2 || -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Gaelic help, please
Jack Campin wrote: BTW :|] is illegal ABC, though some applications accept it. :| is what you need there. I didn't know that. Is |] OK, and if it's not, what do you put at the end of a tune? And you have four times as much music as words; is there a lot of repetition? Séisd: Bodachan ar-i-ar-o Ar-i-ar-o-ar-i-ar-o Bodachan ar-i-ar-o Bidh e ruith nan caorach. Bodachan a' chinn duibh A' chinn duibh, a' chinn duibh, Bodachan a' chinn duibh Bidh e anns an aonach. Bodachan le pinnt air, Le pinnt air, le pinnt air, Bodachan le pinnt air, Bidh e leis an daoraich. Càirich an leabaidh dha, Leabaidh dha, leabaidh dha, Càirich an leabaidh dha, Tha e nis fo'n aodach. Propoer tune: X:677 T:Bodachan ar-i-ar-o S:Eilean Fraoich, 1982 Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:D FA AA BA AA | FF FF FF E2 | FF AA BA AA | FFEE E2 D2 :| FFAA d2 dd | =c2 cc d2 d2 | FFAA d2 dd | FFFD E2 D2 :|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Gaelic help, please
Can anyone translate the title of this tune for me, please? X:677 T:Bodachan ar-i-ar-o S:Eilean Fraoich, 1982 Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:D FA A2 BA A2 | FF F2 FF E2 | FA A2 BA A2 | FFFD E2 D2 :| FFAA d2 dd | =c2 cc d2 d2 | FFAA d2 dd | FFFD E2 D2 :|] Bodachan ar-i-ar-o Ar-i-ar-o-ar-i-ar-o Bodachan ar-i-ar-o Bidh e ruith nan caoach. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Calling John Bunch
Hi John - looking forward to your report about your trip to Scotland. (Hint, hint) -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Gaelic help, please
Cynthia Cathcart wrote: T:Bodachan ar-i-ar-o A bodach is an old man, generally someone from the countryside. An old farmer, for example, might be a bodach. Add the -an to the end, and you have a small old man. (I learned this word because it describes my dad pretty well.) I should have been able to work that one out for myself - sorry about that. Ariaro is a challenge. It doesn't look Gaelic. I think it's nonsense, or as you say, syllables to sing. ...How old is this tune? I can't say. It's in a book which is almost all in Gaelic, so I can't understand it. The original publication (of a collection of Lewis songs) came out in 1938, and my one is an expanded re-publication. However, many of the songs will be old. Bidh e ruith nan caoach. I don't know what caoach is, and it's not in my dictionaries. I'm not surprised, because it's a mistype. Should have been caorach. On a previous page there's another song: Mo nigh'nn donn nan caorach ó Mo nigh'nn donn nan caorach o-i Mo nigh'nn donn nan caorach ó Shiùbhlainn leat 's aonach o-i The song includes this phrase: Bhid-lighich with an English translation (on bare wet tiptoes); I've only been studying the Gaelic for 2 years, but you know new learners, they love to try and use their knowledge. A native speaker would know better. I won't see my teacher again until the end of July. Nigel, if you ask me nicely I'll phone him. :-) No, I can wait. I'm using the tune at a workshop for beginners tonight, so it's handy to be able to tell them what it means. I should have stuck at my Gaelic all those years ago, but it proved too hard for me. Now I don't have the time, although I have a dictionary at my dad's house, so I should at least dust that off. Thanks, Cynthia, and good to hear from you again. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Ian Powrie
Pod mcdougall wrote: Can anyone assist me? Im looking for information on a scottish Fiddler called Ian Powrie. Background info of who he is, family life etc. Ian Powrie was born in 1923 in Strathardle (near Blairgowrie). His farm worker father Wullie Powrie played melodeon, and there were many ceilidhs in their house. Ian got his first fiddle at 5 years old, and he was made to study it properly, and by twelve folk were predicting a career in serious violin playing. However, by fourteen Ian was playing in his father's band - ironically on accordion! After WW2 service with the RAF, Ian returned to his father's band. In 1949 he formed his own band and this time played fiddle. At some point (I'm not sure of dates) Ian's brother Bill (melodeon or accordion) had recorded a number of 78rpm records, with a number of them featuring Ian on fiddle. I have cassette copies of some of these and they're great. When Bill left Ian's band his seat was filled by Jimmy Blue, and that started a long partnership between the two. He married Leila in 1954, had two children Ailsa and Finlay and augmented his band earning by being a farmer. However, in 1959 recordings of the band widened their appeal. The well known Mickie Ainsworth was on piano by this time, and appearances on the White Heather Club further spread the Powrie name. In 1966 Ian emigrated to Australia. At this moment I can't remember anything else - can't remember when he died nor nothin'. I have a few of his recordings. Will that do? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Taransay Fiddle Camp-Last Call
Jack Campin wrote: ...Big Brother for fiddlers? Nominations for Scotttish music's nearest approximations to Nasty Nick or Jade? You for both. ;- -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Ian Powrie
Pod mcdougall wrote: Can anyone assist me? Im looking for information on a scottish Fiddler called Ian Powrie. Background info of who he is, family life etc. Ian Powrie was born in 1923 in Strathardle (near Balirgowrie). His farm worker father Wullie Powrie played melodeon, and there were many ceilidhs in their house. Ian got his first fiddle at 5 years old, and he was made to study it properly, and by twelve folk were predicting a career in serious violin playing. However, by fourteen Ian was playing in his father's band - ironically on accordion! After WW2 service with the RAF, Ian returned to his father's band. In 1949 he formed his own band and this time played fiddle. At some point (I'm not sure of dates) Ian's brother Bill (melodeon or accordion) had recorded a number of 78rpm records, with a number of them featuring Ian on fiddle. I have cassette copies of some of these and they're great. When Bill left Ian's band his seat was filled by Jimmy Blue, and that started a long partnership between the two. He married Leila in 1954, had two children Ailsa and Finlay and augmented his band earning by being a farmer. However, in 1959 recordings of the band widened their appeal. The well known Mickie Ainsworth was on piano by this time, and appearances on the White Heather Club further spread the Powrie name. In 1966 Ian emigrated to Australia. At this moment I can't remember anything else - can't remember when he died nor nothin'. I have a few of his recordings. Will that do? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Kerr's etc
David Francis wrote: Howking around in some old piles of sheet music I came across a book in Merrie Melodies format called 'Kerr's Pretty Tunes of All Nations', which I'd never heard of before. There are a lot of Scottish tunes in it. Anyone else encountered that one? There was a series of twelve books which Kerr's published in the c1870s which comprised: Book 1: Kerr's First Collection of Merry Melodies * Book 2: Kerr's Second Collection of Merry Melodies * Book 3: Kerr's Collection of Pretty Tunes of All Nations Book 4: Kerr's Popular Dance Music for Violin Book 5: Kerr's Collection of Duets for Two Violins Book 6: Kerr's Collection of Pretty Tunes of All Nations arr. with Variations * Book 7: Playel's Duets for Two Violins Book 8: Kerr's Latest Dance Music for Violin Book 9: Kerr's Collection of Reels and Strathspeys Book 10: Kerr's Third Collection of Merry Melodies * Book 11: Kerr's Fourth Collection of Merry Melodies * Book 12: Kerr's Collection of Popular Tunes of All Nations Books 1, 2, 10 and 11 are the most famous Merry Melodies series, still available today, and together they comprise a tremendous collection of Scottish dance music, as well as hornpipes, Irish jigs and reels, and so on. Book 6 has 34 tunes, possibly taken from Book 3, all treated with variations by Tom Howard (who is featured in Bk 1 with the tune Tom Howard's Hornpipe). Book 9 is the violin version of Kerr's Collection of Reels and Strathspeys for the Piano. * I have books 1,2, 6, 10, and 11, and I have the piano version of book 9. I've never encountered any of the others, and I'd be most interested to see them. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Nigel Gatherer's ABC Collection
I have moved my website so that it's now http://www.nigelgatherer.com The older site will be there for another few months, but I'm aiming to move over possibly by January. Therefore my abc collection is at: http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc.html with the indexes at: http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc1.html http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc2.html http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc3.html http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc4.html http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc5.html http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc6.html and the actual data files to be found at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc1/ and so on until http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/abc9/ Also, I have indexed Steve Wyrick's Petrie Collection ABCs at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/petrie.html and the actual data files to be found at http://www.nigelgatherer.com/tunes/petrie/ Let me know if you need anything other info. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Nigel Gatherer's ABC Collection
Nigel Gatherer wrote: I have moved my website so that it's now [Snip] Oops. That was supposed to have gone to John Chambers, not the list. Apologies for that. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] On the Beach at Portobello
I believe this was meant for the list... -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28 Apr 2004 1650 Subject: [scots-l] On the Beach at Portobello the RCA album Take Me Back To The Jungle by Matt McGinn has your song on it -- End forwarded message -- -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Petrie's First collection abc's available
On 30 Apr, Steve Wyrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've finally completed my abc transcription of Robert Petrie's first collection (this version has the melody line only, I'm still formatting the version that includes Petrie's bass line in a second voice). 52 tunes in all, most not currently available on the web (but I'm hoping John Chambers or someone else can help me find a place to put it so that JC's tunefinder can pick it up). Anyone who would like a copy send me an e-mail. I'd house it on my site if you're up for it, Steve. Let me know. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Tune Question
Cliff Abrams wrote: Is the American fiddle tune Betsy (Henry Reed, Alan Jabbour, et. al.) just about the same as the pipe march Greenwoodside? Thanks. Where might we hear it? Do you have ABCs? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] New Session in Perthshire
Music Session in Crieff Three local musicians have combined to organise a traditional music session at The Pretoria Bar in Crieff's High Street. Nigel Gatherer, who has been teaching Scottish music classes with Strathlearning for two years, said When I came to live in Crieff more than three years ago, I was surprised at how little traditional music activity there was. Especially when you look at Crieff in the 1960s, when it was an important centre for the booming folk scene. In fact not many people know that Crieff hosted Scotland's first folk festival in 1964, before the more famous Blaigowrie one. Nigel met with Irene Anderson and Orcadian Jack Yorston (who once formed the highly successful Hamnavoe Dance Band), to see what could be done. We decided to try a monthly traditional pub session to which everyone is welcome to come and listen, or join in. It will be interesting for us to meet others in the area with similar tastes in music, said Nigel, and I might even try to persuade some of my students to have a go! The traditional music sessions will be held on Sunday afternoons between 2 and 5pm on the last Sunday of each month at the Pretoria Bar, The Cross, Crieff. The first session will be on Sunday 25th April. Further details from Nigel Gatherer. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Drumtochtie
Had a great time at a session in the wilds of Perthshire last night in spite of there being, at times, three accordions blaring away! A wee, cosy farmer's pub in the middle of nowhere was the venue - bliss. Plus I didn't have to drive so I could drink for a change! My biggest thrill, though, was when a local - renowned fiddler Willie Simpson - joined in for a few tunes. He was fast and I barely kept up, but what an honour for me! Had a chat with him afterwards and he was very friendly and complimentary about me (he must have left his hearing aid at home). I started off being reverential but he was having none of it. He said his hero was Willie Hunter, and if Willie had been there he'd have been in having a few tunes with us. It was also my third time playing with Orcadian Jack Yorston who's now living in Crieff. We've been enjoying playing with each other because we know so many tunes in common. In his younger days on Orkney he formed the Hamnavoe Dance Band, recorded a couple of records which sold 84,000 copies - I've got 'em in the cellar. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Kerr's reel-and-strathspey pages
Stuart Eydmann wrote: There is a clue in the Introduction to J.T. Surenne's The Dance Music of Scotland (Edinburgh 1852): This Collection contains two hundred and forty-five of the best Reels and strathspeys The tunes are distributed into sets of three, as they are generally danced; that is to say, Reel, Strathspey, Reel. Also in Kerr's Modern Dance Album: Foursome (or Scotch) Reel. Play each reel and Strathspey three times... Cameron's Got His Wife Again/Jenny Dang the Weaver/Highland Whisky/Speed the Plough/Jessie Smith/Rachael Rae/The Piper o' Dundee/Reel of Tulloch Play Reel of Tulloch 8 times -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Kerr's reel-and-strathspey pages
Andrew Kuntz wrote: Have the Kerr collections been definitively dated? I don't recall Merry Melodies having a publishing date in any of the four volumes, but I understand the publishing house was (is?) active for some time. No. Unfortunately the background to the Kerrs books is vague, although I've often felt like doing some research. I believe the company still exists in some form in Glasgow, but I'm shy of approaching them (apart from having failed to find the time to do so). I'm in Edinburgh for two-and-a-half days a week, and although my free time there is short, I may spend some time in the National Library seeing what can be rooted out. I'm surprised if nobody has done this research before [do you know, Jack?], but if not, it would certainly be worth doing. Gore only lists the Merry Melodies books (1-4), and gives a date from 1875; others guess a little later. I think that's because there is some concordance with Ryan's Mammoth Collection (Boston, 1883), but I think not. /I/ think it's more likely that the Kerr's editor had access to earlier collections published by Elias Howe (publisher of Ryan's). I think it would be possible to trace many of the original sources for the tunes in Merry Melodies. It seems obvious, for example, that Joseph Lowe's Collection was heavily borrowed from; the Gow books similarly, and Simon Fraser's collections. There are clearly contemporary compositions in there, particularly from Carl Volti, which makes me suspect that he was possibly the editor. Ah well, as you can see, the Kerr's collections have fascinated me, and I wish I had more time to research. For anyone who's interested, I've a Kerr's section on my web site (URL below). -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kerr's Collections: http://www.nigelgatherer.com/books.html Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Miss McPherson Grant's Jig
I'm in love. With Miss McPherson Grant. Can't get it out of my head. X:652 T:Miss McPherson Grant's Jig - of Ballindalloch B:Marshall's 1st Coll. (1822) Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:6/8 K:A E | E2A A2F | GAB Bcd | c2E AGA | B3 E3 | E2e e2c | dcd Bcd | cde fed | cBA GFE | E2A A2F | GAB Bcd | c2E AGA | B3 E3 | E2e e2c | dcd Bcd | cBA EFG | A3 A2 || E | C2E A2=G | FEF D2F | d2c BcA | G3 E2E | FGA Bcd | cde fga | gfe Bc^d | e3 e2z | f2D fed | e2c ecA | FGA BcA | G3 E3 | F2d E2c | D2B C2e | cBA EFG | A3 A,2 |] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Kerr's reel-and-strathspey pages
Jack Campin wrote: Somebody remind me what Carl Volti's real name was? Archibald Milligan, b. 1849, came from a family of fiddlers. His uncle was George Hood, a celebrated fiddler of his time (apparently). Young Archie's first tune on the fiddle was High Road to Linton (he said, in his autobiography). You can tell I've got a few days off, can't you? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Kerr's reel-and-strathspey pages
David Francis wrote: This is something that has puzzled me for years too. I had been led to believe that Kerr's pages were laid out that way to provide suitable music for the foursome reel, which was popular in the latter part of the nineteenth century, but any descriptions of that dance I have seen always have the dance moving from strathspey to reel, but not back to strathspey again. I can't quite believe either that the dance was so popular that it merited the pages Kerr's devotes to it. The Athole Collection follows the same scheme. I don't know if Anselm Lingnau still lurks around here, but he once said... The Highland Reel doesn't have an actual fixed tune. Usually what people do is they start out in strathspey time (i.e., slowish) and then speed up either all at once ... or gradually (this is the `Cape Breton' style and therefore more likely to be the way things used to be done in the Scottish highlands in days of yore) up to reel speed. You can use pretty much any strathspey tune followed by a suitable reel tune; if you're looking for printed music then any of the first three volumes of `Kerr's Collection of Merry Melodies', one of the standard collections of traditional Scottish dance music, will give you as much of a choice as you could possibly want and more... I've also read another explanation of the Strathspey/reel/Strathspey/reel arrangement, but I can't remember where. My memory isn't as good as it once was, and now I'm beginning to think I may have dreamt it (although Nat Gow refers to it in the quotation below). As an aside I wonder if the Cape Breton custom of staying in the same key for a set of tunes comes from the use of printed collections? I think changing tunes within sets is relatively modern. Older Scottish collections often arranged tunes by key and in some there are medley sections for dance tunes. The tunes are arranged in batches of three to six tunes, always in the same key (or relative modes). In The Beauties of Gow (c.1819) Nathaniel Gow writes: The following are a choice Collection of the best original Scotch Dances, arranged as Medleys, a Strathspey and Reel following alternately in their respective keys, as the frequent changing the Key, more or less, has been found to offend the ear. There you have it, all ye offenders of ears. :-) Listening to recordings of Scottish musicians from 1908, say, till the thirties and forties, the convention is often sticking to one key, and I think it's an inheritance from previous generations. Even the more recent Scottish fiddlers (by that I mean Hector Macandrew, Arthur Scott Robertson, William MacPherson, Angus Cameron) tend not to change keys very often. After that the Irish influence changed matters somewhat. Personally I like both. In a march, Strathspey and reel set, I tend to use one key as it's the change in tempo and style which lifts the set; if I'm playing sets of jigs or reels, I'll more likely run through the keys. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Kerr's reel-and-strathspey pages
David Francis wrote: ...I don't have a copy of Kerr's to hand, but aren't the tunes arranged into groups and numbered? In Book 1 of the Merry Melodies they're in sets of six or four mostly, but the other volumes simply start at No.1 and end at No.446 or whatever - that's one hell of a set! In Kerr's Caledonian Collection - more recent than Merry Melodies - there are also arranged sets, again there are Strathspeys and reels, but this time the keys change with each tune. Another change is the addition of accordion chords, pointing at the 1930s at the earliest, in my opinion, and more likely the 40s, after the rise of the dance bands. Interestingly, if you look at early Kerr's publications (Merry Melodies for the Piano, or Kerr's Collection of Reels, etc) you'll find the keys changing throughout; they actually say in one: In arranging Reels and Strathspeys in sets for dancing, it is customary to have each set played all in one key; but the effect of this is very monotonous. In this collection the airs - nearly all - follow each other in relative keys, in such a manner that each one comes in with a freshness and variety which it would not otherwise have. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Scots Box players?
Dominique Renaudin wrote: I'm reposting this mail, I don't think it got through first time. Yes it did, only to be met with a deafening silence (is anyone still on this list?). Could anyone give me the names, sites, etc. of Scots box (melodeon) players? I've been playing a lot of Scots stuff recently and I'd like to dig deeper. What a question. I think Stuart Eydmann might be best to answer this, if he's still lurking, or even Stan Reeves, who is a fine box player. However, (looks around), as I'm the only one here, I'll have a go. The melodeon was popular in Scotland from the mid-19th century to the 1930s when button and piano accordions superceded them. Early popularisers were the Wyper Brothers from Lanarkshire, whose recorded output from 1905 till 1926 reached far corners of the world, particularly Ireland, the US and Australia. A discography can be seen at http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/perf/music/acc1/wyper.html and there's an excellent article about them on the www.mustrad.org.uk site. Other players of the first 30 years of the 20th century include Pamby Dick, James Brown, Fred Cameron, Alec Bisset (more discographical material about these on my web site). There is a Topic CD featuring these players, and one or two recordings from Sleepytown Records (http://www.sleepytown.co.uk/). Early Jimmy Shand played melodeon, I think, and his early stuff is superb. More recently there seems to be a dearth of melodeonists, largely due to the popularity of the piano accordion or button acc. Fergie MacDonald is possibly a modern hero. And Stan Reeves, of course. All this is off the top of my head, and I hope someone else will chime in and put it all right. Best of luck Dominique. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Fear a Bhois Fada Gun Phosadh
Can anyone translate the title of this tune? I suspect it's something like a man who is late in marrying (which is part of the lyric supplied) but I'd like to make sure. X:624 T:Fear a Bhois Fada Gun Phosadh D:Tannas, Suilean Dubh (1999) Z:Nigel Gatherer M:6/8 L:1/8 K:Bm BBB dde | f3 a3 | A2A c2d | e2f ecA | BBB dde | f3 a3 | b2f fec | B3 B3 :| d2d c2B | d2d c2B | A2A c2d | e2f ecA | d2d c2B | d2d c2B | f2f fec | B3 B3 | d2d c2B | d2d c2B | A2A c2d | e2f ecA | BBB dde | f3 a3 | b2f fec | B3 B3 |] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: E jigs
David Francis wrote: ...Anyone got any other tricks for nifty tune changes? One of my favourites is going from Garster's Dream (G) into Da Brig (D). The last four notes of Garster are D, E, F#, and G, while the first four of Da Brig are A, B, C# and D', so you're rising up a scale while changing key at the same time. X:622 T:Garster's Dream/Da Brig S:Osmosis Z:Nigel Gatherer M:6/8 L:1/8 K:G D| G2B BGB | cdc BAG | FGA ABA | AdB AFD | G2B BGB | cdc BAG | F2E DEF | G3 G :| d| gag gdB | ABA AGE | gag gdB | ded def | gag gdB | AcB AGE | G2E DEF |1 G3 G2 :| 2 AB^c| | d3 A3 | AFD D3 | d3 A2F | D2g fef | d3 A3 | AFD D2F | E2F G2A | B3 :| AB^c | d2e f2d | ^c2e ecA | d2e f2d | g3 f2g | a2f g2e | f2d e2^c | d2A FGA | B3:|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Wooo Hooo Were going to Scotland!
John Bunch wrote: I am very excited about a trip we are planning to Scotland in early Summer. We will be in Edinburg June 1-4 than up to Perthshire near Aberfeldy (Fortingall) for the weekend... Nigel, are your slow sessions /classes in Edinburgh still happening in June? I would love to experience an evening of that if they are :) Yes, John, should be. Keep in touch and I'll tell you where everything is. My Crieff lot might still be meeting as well (not too far from Aberfeldy). Occasionally I meet up with friends in Aberfeldy for a session, so as I say, keep in touch and we'll try to meet up. Do you play? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: confused fiddlehead attempts whistle
Kate Dunlay bemoaned: I've been attempting to learn to play the whistle lately (can old dogs learn new tricks?). I'm wondering about the ornamentation. In my opinion, ornamentation is overrated, especially amongst learners. Many fledgeling whistlers are eager to emulate the aural pyrotechnics of the experienced players they hear on CD or in a session. To satisfy that demand I talk about decoration, and introduce it slowly into the odd tune, but I make a strong case for playing tunes straight. It is much better - I tell them - to hear a tune played simply and well than obscured with ornamentation executed badly. Decoration comes with experience, when you've reached a stage that you can play tunes well and with ease. ...I'll never be a piper in this life, so do I need to try to do it their way or can I just do it my own way? Is there an advantage to doing it their way? For instance, I am assuming that the suggestions for ornamentation on Nigel Gatherer's helpful site are pipe oriented. But since whistles don't have drones, there isn't anything magic about an A note anymore, is there? So I don't have to do cuts from an A note, maybe? No, you don't have to. I have it that way so that those learner whistlers who want to add decoration have a system which is easily understood, in this case always cutting from the A. Do it your way, by all means - is that not what people have been doing for centuries? All the above is my opinion - I'm looking forward to hearing from someone with a different opinion. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Variations
Matt Seattle wrote: You've probably got all the relevant currently available Scottish stuff, but maybe have a look at the related Northumbrian piping tradition, which stll keeps the variation flame burning, as does the Border piping tradition, but with even fewer exponents. A yes, I hadn't thought of that. I've got a good small collection of Northumbrian and Border stuff, including your own magnificent Dixon Collection, so I'll have a good look. To me the art of variations stands in great contrast to the omnipresent medley approach. It is more ecologically sound - recycling and enriching the tune rather than disposing of it after one or two plays and on to the next - but then I'm old-fashioned that way. Great to hear such opinions expressed, Matt. Nearly forgot - David Greenberg's rendition of Black Jock is a beacon in these dark times. I'll check it out. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Variations
Jack Campin wrote: I'd suggest something entirely different: piano music. A mandolin can do chords, and there were a good many variation sets from the late 18th and early 19th centuries that exploited both hands of the keyboard (or did equivalent things with the harp). Good idea - I'll see what I can find. As far as I know none of these early variation sets was ever reprinted and most only exist as music sheets. Whose catalogue entries don't usually even mention that they *are* variation sets. Yes there *is* still work to do after Gore's index... That's another subject worth discussing, but I'm rushing out the door. We'll be at the West End tomorrow night, but I'm currently looking for another venue for a session. The Canon's Gait is a possibility. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Variations
I've been asked to do a mandolin workshop alongside Alison Stephens.
She'll be taking the classical side (naturally) and I'm supposed to be
taking the Celtic side - which for me translates as Scottish. There
is a theme: Variations, so I'm doing a bit of homework.
I have a few excellent resources at my fingertips to start on - listed
below - and I wondered if anyone else had suggestions for other books
or records which I should study?
* David Johnson 'Scottish Fiddle Music in the 18th Century
* James Scott Skinner's own variations in his book collections and
recorded work
* James F Dickie's own variations on record and in modern books ('The
Caledonian Companion' for example)
* Kerr's Collection of the Pretty Tunes of All Nations (this book is
from the series of twelve fiddle books which included Kerr's Merry
Melodies, books 1-4) which has many Scots tunes treated with
variations
--
Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland
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[scots-l] Burns Night
Once again I was in Killiecrankie witnessing a very fine Burns Night while being part of the entertainment. My trio sang and played some of our favourites (Anna is my love of the moment) and enjoyed Ron Greer's Tam o' Shanter, and basked in the friendly glow of a community event. Once all that was done my guitarist and I were asked to play for some dancing, which I was not prepared for. Help! The mandolin was no use (we were playing acoustically), so I was glad I had my penny whistle with me. I hastily scribbled down a few sets with keys so that the guitarist could busk along, and set about blasting the hall with sets suitable for The Gay Gordons, Dashing White Sergeant, Strip the Willow and waltzes. Man, it was braw, wi' nae a fiddle in sicht! Any other braw nichts oot there? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Sandy Duff
Toby Rider wrote: Hey Nigel, where can I get a copy of 100 Essential Irish Session Tunes? Oh, we're losing you to the great Irish menace are we, Toby? ;-) David Mallinson Publications http://www.mally.com/ published a good few books of mainly Irish tunes. They're good selections, in my opinion, although there is no indication of where the tunes came from. The notation is very clear and easy to read, and there is sometimes some good information on the background of the tunes. A list of the ones I've got follows... 100 Essential Irish Session Tunes (ISBN 1 899512 18 7) 100 Evergreen Irish Session Tunes (ISBN 1 899512 20 9) 100 Enduring Irish Session Tunes (ISBN 1 899512 19 5) Traditional Irish Music - Karen Tweed (No ISBN) Music for the Sets - the blue book (ISBN 1 899512 33 0) Music for the Sets - the yellow book The Crossroads Dance - 65 tunes as played by Shaskeen I'm sure there are plenty more. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Sandy Duff
Kate Dunlay wrote: I've now read in two places that the Irish tune The High Reel is descended from a Scottish tune by the name of Sandy Duff. However, neither Sandy Duff nor Alexander Duff is listed in Charlie Gore's index and I haven't been able to locate any reference to the tune in a Scottish collection. Has anyone else seen it? I'm just curious. Hi Kate. It's not in Gore because it's a pipe tune. Where have you read about The High Reel? There seems little doubt on the evidence: X:609 T:Sandy Duff B:Scots Guards, Standard Settings Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:A e | a2 ea cAAa | cAeA cAAe |\ a2 ea cAAa | B=GdG BGGe | a2 ea cAAa | cAeA cAAc |\ =g2 fg aefd | B=GdG BGG || a | cAeA fAed | cAeA cAAa |\ cAeA fAed | B=GdG BGGa | cAeA fAed | cAeA cAAc |\ =g2 fg aefd | B=GdG BGG |] X:610 T:High Reel, The B:100 Essential Irish Session Tunes Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:A a2 ea ecAB | (3cBA eA fAeA | a2 ea ecAB | Bcdc B=GGA | a2 ea ecAB | cdef =g2 fg | af=ge fdec | Bcdc B=GG2 :| (3cBA eA fAeA | (3cBA af ecAB | (3cBA eA fAec | Bcdc B=GB=c | (3cBA eA fAed | cdef =g2 fg | af=ge fdec | Bcdc B=GG2 :| -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] William Marshall
27/12/1748: There is a fiddler of this land For whom I'm rather partial; It's he, the Man o' Gordon Castle, Unique and lauded, William Marshall! X:608 T:Top of Balvenie, The C:William Marshall B:Marshall's 2nd Collection (1845) Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:G g | GG Bc/d/ Gc Bc/d/ | DAFAcedB |\ GG Bc/d/ Gc Bc/d/ | eg f/g/a/f/ gGB :| g | dgBg dgbg | dgBgaAce |\ dgBg dgbg | (3efg (3fga gGB g | dgBg dgbg | dgBgaAce |\ GG Bc/d/ Gc Bc/d/ | eg f/g/a/f/ gGB |] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Tune ID
dolan morrison wrote: Oot Be East De Vong is the second tune.Shetland job i beleive. Of course! Thanks, Dolan. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tune ID
I learned this at a session in Edinburgh played by students of Sarah Northcott. She learned it from someone called Norman who didn't know the name of it, so Sarah gave it the Gaelic name for Norman (apparently). It's a nice wee tune - anyone know it, or know anything about it? X:604 T:Tormaid S:Session/Sarah Northcott Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:Amix cA A2 GA B2 | cA A2 ef e2 | cA A2 GABf | ecdB cA A2 :| c2 cA Bc d2 | c2 c2 ef e2 | c2 cA Bcdf | ecdB cA A2 :| -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Tune authorships
Murray Shoolbraid wrote: The included attachment... 1) It's not usually done to send attachments to mailing lists. A list such as this is a text-only forum, where ideas and discussions - even tunes - are conveyed in plain text. Although there are arguments that many people are on broadband, or get free internet connection, as a policy it has some value, making people think twice about attaching huge photos or Powerpoint files. Your attachment is trivial in comparison, and perhaps hardly worth mentioning, but I thought I'd make a friendly reference to the policy. 2) It's not clear what kind of file it is. As it loads into one of my applications which reads Word files, I assume it's a Word file. 3) Thanks for your thoughts on this. Captain White - in the RSCDS book Kerr is given as the source; I can't find an earlier (Scottish) publishing than Kerr's Merry Melodies (c1870s). It may have been an import (from England perhaps?). Rakes of Mallow was reported at some time eons ago as The Rigs of Marlow giving an interesting question over its origins. Earliest Irish printing was about 1765 (Burk Tumoth); earliest Scottish printing c1780s (Aird). -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] A flatpicked bagpipe tune
Dan Mozell wrote: Ten years ago a friend played bagpipe at my wedding. Last weekend my wife and I played harp and guitar at his wedding. I looked around on the internet and found a midi file on a piper's web site of a tune called The Pipers' Weddding. The web site owner didn't know the origin of the tune but thought it was traditional. We learned the tune for the occasion. It's a simple, catchy jig with a strong pipe flavor. I found the following in one of my old notebooks. Is it the tune you played? X:589 T:Piper's Wedding, The B:P.M. Donald Macleod's Collection, Bk.6 Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:6/8 K:D a | A2d dcd | B2d A3 | A2d dcd | f2a e2a | A2d dcd | B2d A2g | fdd ecc | edd d2 :| a | fdd add | ce2 A2a | fdd add | f2a e2a | fdd add | ce2 A2g | fdd ecc | edd d2 :|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Dance band
Eric Falconer wrote: You asked about people playing in dance bands Nigel. I play in a 4 fiddle ceilidh band called the Clarty Cloot. We play mainly in the Borders with some dances in Edinburgh (reasonable rates etc etc!!) I'm sure I've heard the name. Playing for dancing is just fantastically enjoyable. Couldn't recommend it highly enough - it just seems like the proper context for the music. Yes, I agree. I haven't done it a great deal, but every time I do I thoroughly enjoy it. Edinburgh band Auld Spice are doing a number of ceilidh workshops at St Colm's church, Dalry Road, Edinburgh. First one's on Wednesday 1st Oct, 2-4 (I think). Anyone who fancies a bit of a dance in the afternoon should definitely turn up. Crieff's a bit out of our range though. Well it is at the back of beyond. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: A flatpicked bagpipe tune
Danmozell wrote: Yes, that's it! Any note in the Donald Macleod Collection about it's age or origin? I don't have the collection, which is why I copied the tune into a notebook. If it had a composer I'd have jotted that down; I didn't so I guess it's trad, although Macleod took a lot of trad tunes and wrote new parts for them. perhaps someone on this list might have the Macleod books and could check? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Cavehill abc's?
Steve Wyrick wrote: Can anyone help me with abc's for the jig Cavehill? It's supposed to be in Kerr's 3rd collection of Merry Melodies but I don't find abc's for it on the web. Sorry, might be too late... X:602 T:Cavehill B:Kerr's Merry Melodies Bk 3 Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:6/8 K:G d2B BcB | def gfe | d2B BcB | A2B cBA | d2B BcB | def gfe | dBG DEF | G3 G3 :| D2G GAG | B2G GAG | E2A ABA | cBA GFE | D2G GAG | B2G GAG | dBG DEF | G3 G3 :|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Miss Jean Milligan
Nigel Gatherer wrote: X:349 T:Miss Jean Milligan C:Winifred Bird Matthew D:Jimmy Greenan, The Jeenius of Jim Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:A E2|A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|e2 c2 dcBA c2 B2 B2 cB| A2 cB A2 ce|fefg a2 af|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|| e2|a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 e|a2 e2 efec|d2 B2 B3 e| a2 ed cB A2|dcde f3 d|eagf edcB|c2 A2 A2|] I once incorrectly attributed this tune to Jimmy Shand (because it said so on a record). It appears that the correct composer is one Winifred Bird Matthew, about whom I know nothing. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Auld Graden Kirn
Philip Whittaker wrote: Nigel, great to hear that Borders music has its fans also that young exponents like Lori WAtson are being heard wider afield. Just a wee point. It's Kirn - end of harvest celebration. You are such a precise person, I'm sure you'd want me to let you know. Yes - thanks, Philip, and to Matt Seattle who contacted me with the same info off-list. I have now found my Tam Hughes record, where it says: When Tom and his father played for dances this was the common tune for the St Bernard's Waltz. Tom had no title to the tune but the kirn at Old Graden near Yetholm was always a great gathering. Now that I've re-listened to the record I prefer Tam's version of it: X:597 T:Auld Graden Kirn S:LP, Tom Hughes and his Border Fiddle (1981) Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:3/4 K:D A2| fe dB AG | FA df ed | B2 d2 B2 | A4 f2| g2 f2 a2 | a2 f2 d2 | Bc dB cd | e4 A2| fe dB AG | FA df ed | B2 d2 B2 | A4 f2| g2 f2 a2 | a2 f2 e2 | d3 edc | d3 || efg | a3 faf | a2 f2 d2 | c2 B2 A2 | g6 | g3 fgf | g2 f2 e2 | d2 c2 B2 | A4 df | a3 faf | a2 f2 d2 | c2 B2 A2 | g4 (3gag | f2 e2 d2 | e2 B2 c2 | d4 d2 | d4 |] I'm now looking for another waltz to go with this in a set. I'm favouring this at the moment: X:598 T:Home Farm Waltz C:Nigel Gatherer, 1983 Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:3/4 K:G Bc | dc Bd cB | dc Bd cB | A2 f2 (3efe | d4 e2 | cB Ac BA | cB Ac BA | G2 g2 f2 | (3efe d2 :| d2 | ec Ac e2 | dB GB d2 | cA F2 D2 | GB d2 d2 | ec Ac e2 | dB GB d2 | cA F2 D2 | G4 :|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Bruce Olson
Just read on Ballad-L that Bruce Olson, who often contributed to this list, died on Friday, aged 73. Olson was a seemingly tireless scholar and did much work on old Scottish song. His website is a treasure trove, and it is to be hoped that his work will be stored for future use. http://www.erols.com/olsonw -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Bruce Olson
Toby Rider wrote: Okay, I was able to [Bruce Olson's] site. Can anyone volunteer to keep the site up-to-date, if give them write access to it? I'd happily do that if I knew what was required. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] The Trumpet in Scotland
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a student interested in a dissertation on the Trumpet in Scotland. The period up till 1800 has already been tackled at PhD level by another but I'm sure there must be some nuggets out there (Jack?). The obvious ones are Nathaniel Gow who trained as a trumpeter, the references in Purser, Jim Cameron's Dance Band in the 1950s. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Did fusion bands such as The Rhythmics use trumpet? I only have one of their records (Scotch Jigs and Reels which I'd guess comes from the 30s) and no other info, but it may be a lead. I'll listen to it later and see if it qualifies. William Hannah's band often used a trumpet, from about 1937 till sometime after 1945, but I don't know who it was. I'm trying to remember if Bob Smith's Ideal Band ever used a trumpet, but my memory fails me. Doesn't John Wallace (RSAMD) - who has played trumpet in a Scottish music setting - know any nice nuggets? Keep us informed of progress. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] On the Beach at Portobello
I have been asked: ...I am trying to find the words to the song.. On the Beach at Portobello I have heard it sung a few times, but the guy who used to sing it especially for me (as I live in Porty) has died... Any ideas? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Skinner's Colours
Somewhere I saved James Scott Skinner's list of colours which he assigned the various keys on the fiddle. Where did I put it? Heaven knows, but I'm sure I put it somewhere absolutely logical and I'll probably find it one day when I'm not looking. In the meantime, does anyone else have that list and can let me know? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Fear a Figue
I once asked about a few tunes with Gaelic titles, including Fear a Figue as played by Andrew Rankine. No answer was forthcoming at that time, but last night one of my students explained: 'A pig is an old Scots term for a stone bottle made to contain hot water to heat up your bed - what you'd call a hot water bottle. The gaelic word for this bottle is phige, and the man who supplied these bottles was called the bottle man, or fear a' phige, and it wasn't necessarily hot water which was supplied with the bottle!' So that seems the most likely explanation so far! X:122 T:Fear A Figue D:Horses for Courses by the Riverside Ceilidh Band Z:Nigel Gatherer M:4/4 L:1/8 K:A AAce AAce|AAcA F2 E2|AAce AAce|AAcA B2 B2| AAce AAce|AAcA F2 E2| fecA|BABc A2 A2|] | F2 E2| | c2 B2| | F2 E2| fecA|BABc A2 A2|] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Tune books
Matt Seattle wrote: ...I recently sold my stock-in-trade of tune books...to Dave Mallinson...Dave's van was stolen... I'm so sorry to hear this, Matt. It's a devastating blow to you and Mally, but also to us, as it represents so many years-worth of work. We can only hope that it will be returned soon. Bastards. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland Friday-Monday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday-Thursday: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Re:Nigel's career?
Erika Mackenzie wrote: What's Nigel been getting up to while I've been more dead than alive? Last I heard, he was playing the mandolin for all he was worth. Hi Erika. Of course I remember you, and you've often been in my thoughts. Good to hear from you again. If you really want to know, here's my musical history... First instrument was a ukulele, my parents mistaking it for a toy. As I warbled out Early One Morning early one morning dodging cushions, peanuts, Action Men, I realised that music, while dangerous, might be better than work. And even in my pre-pubescent state, it occurred to me that it might be a good way of getting to know girls. Teenage years, and two elder brothers were guitar players exploring Bert Jansch and the Incredible String Band. They say that a sure way of getting kids interested in playing the fiddle is to stick one under a bed and tell them that on no account must they touch it. Worked with me, sneaking into my brothers' rooms and ruining my fingers trying to work my way through The Beatles Complete (where did they get those chords?). I imagined myself on stage, thrilling audiences. And I thought it might be a good way of meeting girls. I picked up the penny whistle round bonfires in the woods whilst pretending to be a hippy. It was whistle, flute or bongos, and it was more to do with feeling, man, than music. I think I was also trying to be a jazz aficionado at the time; why I though whistle would help I can't say. Soon after I learnt a few Irish tunes in the manner of the time. An influential friend took me aside and said Listen, you don't want to be playing this Irish stuff. Seek out some Scottish music... As a student one summer all my friends went home/took jobs/travelled the world and I was alone in Dundee. In Dens Road Market I unearthed a tattered copy of 'Kerr's Merry Melodies Book 1' and thought I'd discovered treasure. I couldn't read music, but I knew some of the tunes, so by sheer brutality, trial and error and perseverance I worked out how to read the dots. Kerr's Collections remain one of my top reasons to be cheerful. As I discovered more Scottish tunes, I felt the whistle wasn't versatile enough. I was buying records of fiddle music and saying I want to play that, but playing a B flat tune on a D whistle isn't fun, so I got frustrated. One of my older brothers had a mandolin lying about at home, so I started picking that up. I didn't care that it was a mandolin; all I cared about was that I could now play practically all the Scottish tunes available. I'm glad my brother didn't have a piano accordion or else the world would be a very different place. I get sad when here in Perthshire, one of the strongest areas historically for Scottish fiddle music, all people want to hear and play is Irish music. I think things have changed, and are changing, thanks to some wonderful teachers, players and organisations, but it's a struggle. (Off your soap box now, Nige.) I still play the whistle, and have great affection for it, especially in sessions, where I don't have to clatter through pub doors trying to get it in, I don't have to find space for its case, and at the end of the night I can just pop it into my pocket and forget about it. What do you mean lazy? Erika, I have a penny whistle tutorial on my website (see URL in sig). It might be of interest. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Scottish Whistle: www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/whist.html History - Players - Tutorial Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Re:Nigel's career?
Erika Mackenzie wrote: ...the only thing I can think of to ask is, did it ever help you to meet girls? No. My partner at the moment has no interest in traditional music nor my involvement in it. That's life! BTW, I noticed on your Silly Wizard discography a first, self-titled album which I've never seen or heard of. Can you tell me anything about it? Is it still available? I shouldn't think so. it's probably something of a rarity, originally released on the Transatlantic label. It featured Freeland Barbour on accordion, and I wouldn't say it's their best. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Cenneag Mor
X:573 T:Cenneag Mor D:Wick SCDB Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:D z | f2 fe dBAB | d2 ed B2 A2 | f2 fe dBAB | dBAB d2 d :| A | d2 ef afef | afef edBA | d2 ef afef | aAfe d2 d :|] Anybody know anything about this tune? I think I may have heard it sung as puirt-a-beul by the Gaelic group Na h-Oganaich and my memory is trying to tell me the Bothy Band also included it in a puirt-a-beul medley. Can anyone confirm this? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Blackford Fiddlers
Nigel Gatherer wrote: ...Donald Riddell...was taught by Alexander Grant, a fiddle maker and a friend of Scott Skinner. Riddell in turn taught many fiddlers who are now acknowledging their debt: Bruce MacGregor, Iain MacFarlane, Greg Borland, and so on. Greg Borland was actually taught by Hector MacAndrew, and will be talking about him, as well as playing some of his tunes at Fiddle 2003 this year. The Fiddle 2003 programme is now available (phone 0131 346 0977), and it's on the web too at www.scotsfiddlefestival.com This year's line-up includes Jerry Holland, David Greenberg, Duncan Chisholm, Sarah-Jane Fifield, and many more. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Brechin Session
Last night I went up to see Scots-L lister Manuel at his new home of Brechin, and sat in on a nice session in the Brechin Arms. The main thrust of the session came from four young fiddlers from the Tayside Young Fiddlers based in Dundee (I think they're under Jill Simpson), and I thought they were great. I love seeing youngsters playing enthusiastically, so I was in my element. Nigel Jelks from Kirriemuir was holding things together with his beautiful sounding Vanden mandolin, and I was there simply to confuse matters by being another mandolin-playing Nigel. Later Christine Kydd joined us and sang one song before I had to make the long trip back to Crieff. All in all it was worth it for me, because I had a great time playing music. Is anybody still on this list? It must be yawn-inducing to hear me chattering on about my parochial musical activities. Do you think I should get a kilt? (She who must be obeyed wishes it.) Do you think it will rain this afternoon? What will I make for tea? ZZZzzz -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Lochgoilhead Fiddle Weekend
sharon knowles wrote: Sue and I very much enjoyed the Lochgoilhead session and now we know Nigel was the one playing the mandolin! We had to leave before the end, unfortunately. Sue Richards and myself are living in Argyll for three months and doing a few gigs. I wish I'd known! I was going to run after you when you left and tell you how much I had enjoyed playing with you (and how I wished we'd been more together), but then I felt I couldn't leave the session (since I was the host). I did speak to you in the car park beforehand, but you both seemed preoccupied. So, actually, there were three professional musicians in there. Me, Sue and the guitar player who was with us, Ron Pirrie. I didn't think we sounded that bad! No - you sounded great. My comment was based on somebody saying to me earlier All the good players aren't coming till tomorrow... to which I objected. We were all good musicians there, in that we played together and had a good time doing it. Ron was good too, with his baby guitar. Also, there was a really good fiddler there who was probably Amy Geddes, as she was the one advertised. Yes, it was Amy. She didn't play for long because she had a come-and-try session in the morning, and a concert in the afternoon. I've been in too many sessions which became competitions, and it's not what turns me on. I like to play WITH people. Anyway, no offence meant by my comment, Sharon. I'm kicking myself that we didn't have a chat. Where are you staying? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Lochgoilhead Fiddle Weekend
sharon knowles wrote: Sue and I very much enjoyed the Lochgoilhead session and now we know Nigel was the one playing the mandolin! We had to leave before the end, unfortunately. Sue Richards and myself are living in Argyll for three months and doing a few gigs. I wish I'd known! I was going to run after you when you left and tell you how much I had enjoyed playing with you (and how I wished we'd been more together), but then I felt I couldn't leave the session (since I was the host). I did speak to you in the car park beforehand, but you both seemed preoccupied. So, actually, there were three professional musicians in there. Me, Sue and the guitar player who was with us, Ron Pirrie. I didn't think we sounded that bad! No - you sounded great. My comment was based on somebody saying to me earlier All the good players aren't coming till tomorrow... to which I objected. We were all good musicians there, in that we played together and had a good time doing it. Ron was good too, with his baby guitar. Also, there was a really good fiddler there who was probably Amy Geddes, as she was the one advertised. Yes, it was Amy. She didn't play for long because she had a come-and-try session in the morning, and a concert in the afternoon. I've been in too many sessions which became competitions, and it's not what turns me on. I like to play WITH people. Anyway, no offence meant by my comment, Sharon. I'm kicking myself that we didn't have a chat. Where are you staying? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] two tunes and a list wanted
Jack Campin wrote: Does anybody happen to have already-typed-in ABCs for either The Braes of Locheil... Again, I'm not sure this will be what you're after... X:577 T:Braigh Lochiall T:The Braes of Locheil B:The Gesto Collection Z:Nigel Gatherer L:1/8 M:4/4 K:C C | DE D2 D4 | d2 d4 cA | G2 A2 c4 | ED C2 G4 | A2 d4 cA | G2 A2 c4 | FE D2 C4 | D6 |] -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: two tunes and a list wanted
Jack Campin wrote: ...Jimmy Shand's books of waltzes (were there three or four of them?)... I've got the first two (wre there others?) Yes; I was surprised too, but I saw them last time I was in Perth. I'm going in again this afternoon, so I'll try to buy them and report back. Funnily enough I found the first two in a charity shop in Edinburgh the other day. Here in Crieff I picked up a book called 'Eilean Fraoich - Lewis Gaelic Songs and Melodies' (1982) which has more than 150 melodies, including songs, orain luaidh (waulking songs), puirt-a-beul and orain gaoil gun urrainn (I'm guessing rowing songs?). My dad found an interesting publication for me yesterday in Dunkeld: 'Scott Skinner's Book of Selected National Songs' (1923), which I've never seen before. It's in the same series as his life story, which was presented in serial as a supplement to the People's Journal. Included is one of his songs, The Bonnie Ann, for which he wrote the music and words. Well, let's just say he isn't famous for his songs. The People's Journal published many supplements, and I have a few. One I'm looking at just now is '100 Humorous Scottish Songs'. There's not a big difference between these and chapbooks or broadsides, and I'm sure some singers used them in the same way, as repositories for the words of songs. Musings from a pen. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Andy M Stewart and Ramblin' Nige
I'm listening to a CD I bought the other day, 'Donegal Rain' by Andy M Stewart. I must say I'm enjoying pottering away in my office to its gently emanating mellifluous tones. I haven't always been Stewart's greatest champion (the snob that I am!), but I'm pleased with my buy. Time to get my old Silly Wizard LPs out... At the same time I bought 'Happy Feet' by The Benachally Ceilidh Band, featuring Andy M Stewart's old mucker Martin Hadden. There's some fine dance music on that CD, although Pete Clark's insistent extemporising in a twin fiddle situation grates a little. I had the pleasure of hearing the other fiddler, Martin MacLeod, solo at a Burns night earlier this year. There is a whole host of new ceilidh bands getting wellied into the scene, joining the ranks of some old hands such as An Teallach. From what I've heard it's a mixed bunch: some average, some excellent. Any favourites out there? One of my favourites haven't recorded. They're a community dance band in Edinburgh called Auld Spice. Consisting almost entirely of retired men and women, they provide music for schools, old folks homes, and community events. I say almost entirely because they always let me sit in with them when I catch them, and I love it! At 46 it's an opportunity for me to feel young for a while :-) Another band I admire greatly - and two of whose members are frequenters of this low dive of a list - is Bella McNab's, whose bank of fiddles present a refreshing change from accordion-based bands. I've always been impressed by their driving rhythm and choice of repertoire. As far as I know they haven't recorded - perhaps Dave or Derek might let us know if that's in the pipeline? Anyone else play in a dance band? Do you enjoy it? -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] two tunes and a list wanted
Jack Campin wrote: Secondly, does anybody have a sizable list of Gaelic waltz tunes... Below is the start of a project listing Gaelic waltzes. perhaps a better list might be compiled by Scots-L? Anyway, not what you were looking for, but it might provide an idea or two. Jimmy Shand's books of waltzes (were there three or four of them?) contain some sets, and they can be obtained from ? in Perth. GAELIC WALTZES/WEST HIGHLAND WALTZES/HEBRIDEAN WALTZES Title Record/Source A Mhairi Bhoidheach More Sounds of the North, Wick SDB, 7b An Ataireachd Ard Plough, An Teallach, 4a Beatiful Skye A Gordon for You, Gordon Pattullo 2a Bonnie Oban Bay Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 3a Braes of LocheilVintage Blend, Bobby MacLeod, 2b Braes of Locheil Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 3a Calum Cameron's Song Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 5b Crobhain's Galley Scotland, John Ellis, 3a Eilidh Scotland, John Ellis, 3a Farewell Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 3a Farewell to Skye Scotland, John Ellis, 3a Gaelic Air Scotland, John Ellis, 7b Gaelic Air Scotland, John Ellis, 4b Gaelic Air Vol.2, John Ellis, 6b Gaelic Air A Gordon for You, Gordon Pattullo 2a Gaelic Melody Vol.2, John Ellis, 5a Gaelic Melody Vol.2, John Ellis, 5a Gaelic Melody Vol.2, John Ellis, 5a Herding Song, The Vol.2, John Ellis, 6b Hi Leannan A Gordon for You, Gordon Pattullo 2a I Gave My Love Kind of Music, Bobby MacLeod, 4b Incarceration, The Kind of Music, Bobby MacLeod, 4b Island Sheiling Song Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 3a Kyle Furlough, The Vintage Blend, Bobby MacLeod, 2b Leaving Lismore Scotland Dances, Alasdair Downie, 3b Leaving the Boat at Portree Inverness Gathering, 3a Loch Maree Gaelic Air Scotland, John Ellis, 7b Loch Rannoch Vintage Blend, Bobby MacLeod, 2b Lovely Stornoway Scotland, John Ellis, 4b Lullaby O Bhan, O Bhan Tobermory Treasure, Bobby MacLeod, 3a Malcolm Ferguson Maestro, Bobby MacLeod, 3a Mary of Skye Sound of the North, Wick SDB, 8a Mavis Wood, The Kind of Music, Bobby MacLeod, 4b Mi'n Seo 'nam Onar Plough, An Teallach, 4a Mist Covered Mountains Tobermory Treasure, Bobby MacLeod, 3a Morag of Dunvegan Scotland Dances, Alasdair Downie, 3b Mull of the Cool High Bens Tobermory Treasure, Bobby MacLeod, 3a Mull of the Cool High Bens Scotland Dances, Alasdair Downie, 3b My Mother Scotland, John Ellis, 4b My Mother Inverness Gathering, 3a My Winsome Mary Tobermory Treasure, Bobby MacLeod, 3a O Ho Ro Mo Chailin Donn Plough, An Teallach, 4a O Horo Mo Chailin Donn More Sounds of the North, Wick SDB, 7b Oh, My Love Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 5b Swan White Maiden, The Vintage Blend, Bobby MacLeod, 2b Skye Is My Hame A Gordon for You, Gordon Pattullo 2a Sheena Bhan Inverness Gathering, 3a Sine Bhan More Sounds of the North, Wick SDB, 7b Uist My Love Scotland Dances, Alasdair Downie, 3b Uist My Love Scotland, John Ellis, 3a Tocherless Lass Highland Style, Colin Campbell, 5b Waters of Kylesku More Sounds of the North, Wick SDB, 7b Yearning, The Kind of Music, Bobby MacLeod, 4b -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Modal Tunes (but seriously)
Philip Whittaker wrote: A double bass player...complained that it was in two sharps but was in E minor. My explanation that it was a dorian not an aeolian tune...was greeted with some derision. OK, if modes do not mean anything to you how do you explain this one? That's a case where a music education was a hindrance rather than an advantage. Had the bassist learned the tune aurally it would not have occurred to him to question whether it was in a minor key or dorian; it should just have sounded right. If it didn't, the further education he'd need would be with his ears rather than his intellect. In my opinion. Good to see you again, Philip. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Modal Tunes (but seriously)
Dan Mozell wrote: I may have missed some of this thread. The bass player wasn't really wrong. Standard notation practice (not folk musicians notation practice) would be to write an E Dorian tune with the E minor/G major key signature of one sharp (F#) and then sharp the individual Cs in the tune. It needs to be explained to a classical musician that in traditional music it's a common practice to use a key signature that represents the mode, in this case dorian. The folk notation practice is not standard. We do it because it's useful for our purposes. I wasn't saying anybody is wrong. I propose that by trying to notate traditional music you're trying to make a round peg fit a square hole. Notation is an approximation of a tune, and imposing notation rules on a form which is essentially aural doesn't mean that written notation rules apply to that tune. It may help a notation-literate musician to think of a tune as being in E minor with a sharpened C, but that doesn't mean that that's an accurate description of what the tune is. Again, it may help fiddlers to think of the pipe scale as an scale of A with a flattened G, but that is not actually what the pipe scale is. I'm not saying you /shouldn't/ notate traditional music, and I'm certainly not saying that knowledge of modes or musical theory is a bad thing. My point of view is only that it's not at all /necessary/ to have that knowledge to play traditional music. Jim Dawson, I believe, is talking about improvisation which is a whole different colour of horse, and not a subject which immediately comes to mind in a discussion of Scottish music. I remember in my green youth getting very excited about my first exposure to pibroch; I asked my older friend how much improvisation was involved. I was surprised when he said None at all! I had thought that the piper was supplied with the ground, and each subsequent variation was his own interpretation. Course I was listening to a lot of Bird and Miles at the time. (How's that for show boating, Jim?). -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
[scots-l] Re: Modal Tunes (but seriously)
Jim Dawson wrote: ...I do not see any real information regarding modes coming out in this discussion, plenty of show boating about how much music history they know and nothing about how to use modes in real life music. In my humble opinion, you do not need to know anything about modes in order to use them in real life music. All of us used modes, irregular rhythms, gap scales, polyrhythms, micro tones and syncopation before we were five years old. It's interesting to analyse music but _not_ knowing why we play certain things in certain ways doesn't _prevent_ us from making music. -- Nigel Gatherer, Crieff, Scotland [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/gatherer/ Posted to Scots-L - The Traditional Scottish Music Culture List - To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
