ED]On Behalf Of Alan
BrooksSent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:48 AMTo:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: ShopTalk: How to pick
torque?Hi Folks,Excuse me for jumping in kind of
late in this thread but I have been focused elsewhere. A couple of
comments on torque. First is on the torque rating
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torque?
Don
Based on your comment I took another look at your
FitChip data. With the older software your 46" driver came out at 252
CPM. Wit
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Charlie:
Granted Im no tour player 18hcp 82-85 mph but had an interesting thing
happen at the PGA
Don
Thanks for the info, it is good to see that shaft mfgs. are willing to at least try different combos. I feel that as they further delve into different shaft geometry's that you will see just that kind of shaft becoming common place. This will be a real benefit to clubmakers and custome
and 9 Iron at
330. I do not know where you got the 280+ number you quoted.
llhack
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: How to pick
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Charlie:
Gran
I've heard many of you discuss various shafts on this forum but it seems
that I see Apache and Precision Composites (and a couple of others)
being mentioned quite often as being highly rated for consistency. Is
there one manufacturer that stands out in this regard?
George Iacono
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Pat
My first shaft choice to try for this experiment is the Fuji SIX. From reports on this forum and testing at Titliest fitting center the next will be the Graphite Design YS6 X but I am not sure if I will blind bore or shove this one all the way through.
Charlie B
Just tried an experiment with a MFS65P from Apache (orange crush) in
R2 flex and hit it great at the driving range. I'd normally us an R3
or S1. Their Tip Torsional Resistant technology "is a new approach to
lower torque readings and a stable tip while eliminating the hashness
commonly associat
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> 3. The next thing then is could we maybe move a customer into a softer flex
> with lower torque to improve distance without a loss of
> accuracy or is that
> too much of a streach?
That type of a shaft is
t?
TIA,
GregZ
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:37 PM
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Your item 3 is where Fuji Japan has been going with their shafts f
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Seems like quite the difference of opinion but it is starting to make a
little sense (I think). Dave, I have been out of engineering school for
quite some
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At 09:13 PM 3/20/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Seems like quite the difference of opinion but it is starting to m
At 09:13 PM 3/20/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Seems like quite the difference of opinion but it is starting to make a
little sense (I think). Dave, I have been out of engineering school for
quite some time but your math looks right to me. From that and some of these
posts we can generalize a
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From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Mike
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Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:13 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: How to pick torque?
In the recent PCS show, Ralph Maltby of Golfwork fame, did a presentation
showing a s
Seems like quite the difference of opinion but it is starting to make a
little sense (I think). Dave, I have been out of engineering school for
quite some time but your math looks right to me. From that and some of these
posts we can generalize a bit.
1. Stronger swingers and maybe faster tempos n
is not a normal combination for a shaft.
Don Johnson
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Pat
What I am
Pat
What I am basically trying to accomplish is getting an X flex tip response with a S flex feeling shaft. I am going to be playing around with the torque as a feel and dispersion parameter. I want him to be able to able to stand at address and be able to put a swing that he wants to make with
Interesting!
Lloyd says there no torsional deflection of the shaft during the downswing,
while Pat says...
At 09:14 AM 3/20/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
After watching and listening to many tour players over the last 5 years as
lower torque shafts have found a way into their bags, I'll of
Mike
One last comment on my position on this subject. Since the
torque deflection is negligible during the down swing you must conclude that
torque has nothing to do with the recovery of the head back to square. I
have also gleaned from this discussion that some think that a softer torque
Hi Folks,
Excuse me for jumping in kind of late in this thread but I have been
focused elsewhere. A couple of comments on torque. First is
on the torque rating, or the 'torque' of a shaft. I queried
Dynacraft's Forum about this a while back and one of the Jeff's replied
that the reason it is us
48 EST
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> Subject: Re: ShopTalk: How to pick torque?
>
> Greg
>
>I think Dave and Bernie are correct but you hit the nail on the head as
> their is a human on the end if that perfect spec club. I have a Canadian Tour
> player whom I bu
Rk
Good luck on trip I hope all is well. I have followed your posts over the years and have learned quite a bit from you and appreciate your continued involvement on this forum. I happen to Know Dave T and he comes at clubmaking from a different perspective which is science and I feel for those
Greg
I think Dave and Bernie are correct but you hit the nail on the head as their is a human on the end if that perfect spec club. I have a Canadian Tour player whom I build for and use him as my chief tester because of his consistent swing and his understanding of what I am trying to accompli
From:
Mike
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:13
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Subject: RE: ShopTalk: How to pick
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In
the recent PCS show, Ralph Maltby of Golfwork fame, did a presentation showing
a steel-shafted putter on center hit occasional produces shaft twisting
[snip]
> From what I've been reading here on Shoptalk and on
>Spinetalk there is not a clubmaker out there that has "LESS" tools then
>David.
>
>RK
[snip]
Well, at least one: me :)
Richard, I have a couple of thoughts I'd like to share.
1st is about clubmaking. What I find fascinating in it is
In a message dated 3/19/2003 5:20:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Thanks to all who have replied.
So far we have:
1. It doesn't matter
2. Lower is better, always
3. Manufacturers specs mean nothing
4. It's a feel thing
5. They measure it, and tell you what it is for a reason
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How to pick torque?
Arnie, you know us
Thanks to all who have replied.
So far we have:
1. It doesn't matter
2. Lower is better, always
3. Manufacturers specs mean nothing
4. It's a feel thing
5. They measure it, and tell you what it is for a reason and CG and face
size needs to be accounted for when picking one.
any other opinion or com
I'll keep you in my prayers RK. Hurry
back I value your input here.
Rick
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t
then will it start to slow down.
RK
ps; For those of you who care Wish Me Luck. TX's
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I am s sorry that IHack and Richard Kennedy are both having a bad day! I only hope things will improve for both of you!
Arnie
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday,March 19,2003 8:58
AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: ShopTalk: How to
pick torque?
Hi
Mike,
One of
the problems with a scientific approach to golf is it doesn't take into account
that it is a human being p
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 11:23
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: How to pick
torque?
Since I have both David T And Lloyd on my "DO NOT READ" list,
because I get over a 150 E-Mail posts per day I re
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ps; Lloyd / David no need for you to answer because I've got you both "BLOCKED" so I wouldn't get it any ways.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 2:03
PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: ShopTalk: How to
pick torque?
When choosing shafts for a customer is their a rule of thumb
to look at for shaft torque? There are many shaft
Dave and Mike,
> Bernie,
> Should I, or do you want to?
> Oh, what the hell...
Saw Lloyd's post and thought, "I'll bet Dave will answer that one." But how
can I resist... :-)
Mike, to my knowledge, shaft torque hasn't been shown to play any part in
what happens to ball flight in the .0004 second
At 09:34 AM 3/19/03 +, Lloyd Hackman wrote:
Mike
The Torque of the shaft must be designed to resist the toe impact with the
golf ball. Despite what most on this forum think or imply the player can
not apply enough torque to the shaft during the swing to significantly
deflect the shaft in to
, March 19, 2003 12:26
PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: How to pick
torque?
David,
Thanks for the response. I can understand your comment it
makes sense. The problem is once I get the info what do I do with it. Example,
I was looking a a 50gr shaft with a torque of 4.0 the
same
tely feel harder and less responsive than we like in our
shafts.
Hope this helps a little
Cheers
Graham
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 8:26
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: How to pick
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Dav
David,
Thanks for the response. I can understand your comment it
makes sense. The problem is once I get the info what do I do with it. Example, I
was looking a a 50gr shaft with a torque of 4.0 the same
company makes a different 50gr shaft that has a torque of 2.5. Must be a
reason, assum
In a message dated 3/17/2003 11:01:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
When choosing shafts for a customer is their a rule of thumb to look at for shaft torque? There are many shafts that have similar swing speed ratings but very different torque. Rather than simply trial and e
lowest torque is always better.
llhack
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 11:03
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Subject: ShopTalk: How to pick
torque?
When choosing shafts for a customer is their a rule of thumb
to look at
When choosing shafts for a customer is their a rule of thumb
to look at for shaft torque? There are many shafts that have similar swing speed
ratings but very different torque. Rather than simply trial and error there must
be something to work from. It seems easy to say that a low torque shaf
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