Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
That's great. To access a blogsite that has been blocked for security reasons we go through the Pakistan blog oh man, the irony is entering my soulYes, all the newspapers have picked up on it, but what's going to be done? DoT...Dept of Tyranny... Deepa. On 7/18/06, Kiran Jonnalagadda

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On 18-Jul-06, at 11:11 AM, ekta bahl wrote: Try http://pkblogs.com/ to access blogspot. It worked for me. They're having trouble keeping up with the traffic. Coral works better. -- Kiran Jonnalagadda http://www.pobox.com/~jace

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Deepa Mohan wrote: That's great. To access a blogsite that has been blocked for security reasons we go through the Pakistan blog oh man, the irony is entering my soulYes, all the newspapers have picked up on it, but what's going to be done? DoT...Dept of Tyranny... Right to

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Ashok Hariharan
the bigger problem is this veil of secrecy : 'we have banned something, but we dont need to tell what has been banned and why...' i once tried to get a list of banned books in india, but it was virtually impossible to get an official list of books gazetted by the government as unsavory for the

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Vinayak Hegde
On 7/18/06, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right to information act filings I expect. And if there's anybody at all from google here I'd encourage reciprocity. Stop indexing anything at all from India till such time as the GoI stops blocking blogspot, and apologizes. It'll

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Vinayak Hegde wrote: I think the soultion you are proposing is counter-intuitive. If google stops indexing then people have even less access to information which is Not really. Remember what was being suggested when google complied to chinese censorship .. that google stop sacrificing

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Pavithra Sankaran
--- Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe - from newspaper reports - that about 22 blogs were sought to be blocked, but some incompetent indian isp employees (am I repeating myself there?) blocked all of blogspot -- I

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Pavithra Sankaran
CenSorship, of course. --- Pavithra Sankaran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe - from newspaper reports - that about 22 blogs were sought to be blocked, but some incompetent indian isp employees (am I repeating myself there?)

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Pavithra Sankaran wrote: CenSorship, of course. it is a double problem censorship enforced and implemented by nitwits acme company gadgets are dangerous enough without their being used by wile e coyote

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Ashok Hariharan
its really a cultural problem... i have found this 'morality' thing deeply irritating in india (i know its there everywhere, but its always struck me as particularly strong and ingrained in india...) ...people assuming that they have a 'moral standard' which everyone must mandatorily adhere

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Udhay Shankar N
Ashok Hariharan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its really a cultural problem... i have found this 'morality' thing deeply irritating in india (i know its there everywhere, but its always struck me as particularly strong and ingrained in india...) You haven't spent too much time interacting

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread gabin kattukaran
On 7/18/06, Biju Chacko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The odd thing is that despite the fact that middle class India thinksof politicians as an unsavoury bunch, it has no problems with apaternal govt run by the same bunch that takes decisions impacting onpersonal freedoms. Why the heck would anyone

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
The fringe always attracts more attention that the uninteresting conformists...that's what makes news newsworthy and grabs attention. Do all of us read about the regular hairdressers? No...it has to be Sylvie before we will look at the page... Deepa. On 7/18/06, Bernhard Krieger [EMAIL

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Ashok Hariharan
Who or what is Sylvie? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 07/18/2006 01:06:23 PM: The fringe always attracts more attention that the uninteresting conformists...that's what makes news newsworthy and grabs attention. Do all of us read about the regular hairdressers? No...it has to be Sylvie before

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
At 10:22 18/07/2006, Biju Chacko wrote: why the heck would anyone trust the govt? The mind boggles ... for a society that is capable of uncritical trust of elders and betters, trusting the government is a natural extension. at least for such matters. (indians are certainly not trusting of

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
i have to say, though, that the media has rather more coverage of mainstream dutch politics. At 12:06 18/07/2006, Deepa Mohan wrote: The fringe always attracts more attention that the uninteresting conformists...that's what makes news newsworthy and grabs attention.

[silk] India Stops Privatization, Casting Doubt on Reforms

2006-07-18 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
For the International investor community and the press intent on reading the tea leaves, this is news. I personally think it was much simpler - the turban made a mistake and picked the wrong company and state to privatize. From what I make of it, DMK was backing the privatization until the

Re: [silk] Censorship: here we go again

2006-07-18 Thread Madhu Menon
gabin kattukaran wrote: I think this problem goes deeper down. The government is only the latest to occupy that paternal seat. I would think that we have been used to accepting our fate, morailty and acceptable behaviour from such influences as gods, saints, kings, feudal lords, the weather,

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
the point is that Sylvie is not featured because she is a hairdresser, but because of her different lifestyle...which *I* think should be her business and no one else's... but then, she has had the courage to come out of the closet, dress the way she wants herself to be (which is a woman, notthe

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread ashok
i am always confused by nomenclature in such situations. Do you call someone by the gender that they were born with (He (sylvie) is a hairdresser) or by the gender that they aspire to (She (sylvie) is a hairdresser). Deepa Mohan wrote on 07/18/2006 05:49:04 PM: herself to be (which is a

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 06:09:33PM +0300, ashok wrote: i am always confused by nomenclature in such situations. Do you call someone by the gender that they were born with (He (sylvie) is a hairdresser) or by the gender that they aspire to (She (sylvie) is a hairdresser). Only after a

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Eugen Leitl wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 06:09:33PM +0300, ashok wrote: i am always confused by nomenclature in such situations. Do you call someone by the gender that they were born with (He (sylvie) is a hairdresser) or by the gender that they aspire to (She (sylvie) is a hairdresser).

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Danese Cooper
I live in the Castro neighborhood of San Francisco, where transgender people (at all stages of the process) are pretty plentiful. Protocol here is to use the pronoun that matches the assumed gender, as recognition of the who the person is becoming or wishes to be. Danese On Jul 18, 2006,

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Thaths
On 7/18/06, Deepa Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice ordinary tambram marrying and producing 2 children who will go into engineering or medicine will not make the news. Funny how parents seem to want to keep their children in this well trodden path that would never make the newspapers.

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Thaths wrote: ...and the tomboy flying kites and getting into scruffs with street kids, and the motorcycle riding dyke I've got a very good friend - she used to ride a big Enfield Bullet bike all the time when she was in India. Happily married and in Purdue right now. I havent checked

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Thaths
On 7/18/06, Suresh Ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a very good friend - she used to ride a big Enfield Bullet bike all the time when she was in India. Happily married and in Purdue right now. I havent checked but I think she's got herself a moto there as well And I like

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
wish for a time , and a world, when people of all sorts can be accepted without having to conform to restrictive norms. How long will it take in India, I wonder? Having said, that, though, I must say that all my orthodox family and friends in Bangalore were SO accepting of the gay American couple

Re: [silk] dutch free speech

2006-07-18 Thread ashok
Hell...noi certainly hope not!! wouldnt the world be a duller place if it were like that :) Deepa Mohan wrote on 07/18/2006 06:57:52 PM: wish for a time , and a world, when people of all sorts can be accepted without having to conform to restrictive norms.

Re: [silk] how many Gbbt in a blue moon?

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
I enjoyed both that post and the little tickler at the end Dave! Thanks! Deepa. On 7/19/06, Dave Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The fringe always attracts more attention that the uninteresting conformists...that's what makes news newsworthy and grabs attention. In the US several years back, I

Re: [silk] how many Gbbt in a blue moon?

2006-07-18 Thread Udhay Shankar N
At 10:54 AM 7/19/2006, Deepa Mohan wrote: I enjoyed both that post and the little tickler at the end Dave! Thanks! Q. why do we refer to news as a medium? A. because it is neither rare nor well-done I think the provenance of the above can be traced to a campaign that Lintas(?) did for

Re: [silk] how many Gbbt in a blue moon?

2006-07-18 Thread Deepa Mohan
ah, like another ad line fora phone, that has stuck in my mind...say hello to a good buy. Deepa. On 7/19/06, Udhay Shankar N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10:54 AM 7/19/2006, Deepa Mohan wrote:I enjoyed both that post and the little tickler at the end Dave! Thanks! Q. why do we refer to news as a