On 10/23/2011 11:21 AM, Ingrid wrote:
On 23-Oct-2011, at 6:43 AM, Mahesh Murthymahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Isn't that a defining trait of NRIs : to move to an oasis that someone else
built rather than transform one's own
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:34, Shoba Narayan sh...@shobanarayan.com wrote:
For every person who feels that they are dehumanizing the help (as this
author does), there are Indian families who retain help for decades.
True. I've seen instances of jewelry lying around untouched (read, not
On 23 October 2011 16:12, Ingrid ingrid.srin...@gmail.com wrote:
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Isn't that a defining trait of NRIs : to move to an oasis that someone
else built rather than transform one's own desert surroundings?
You mean cleaning up the
My reading is that he meant
that: in a given context, the majority of humanity is, _by definition_,
average or below - using whatever metric you care to.
By the same bell-curve reading, in any given context, the majority of
humanity is, _by definition_, also average or above average - using
On 24-Oct-11 11:39 AM, Mahesh Murthy wrote:
By the same bell-curve reading, in any given context, the majority of
humanity is, _by definition_, also average or above average - using
whatever metric you care to.
Sure. So?
Udhay
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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
On 24-Oct-11 11:39 AM, Mahesh Murthy wrote:
By the same bell-curve reading, in any given context, the majority of
humanity is, _by definition_, also average or above average - using
whatever metric you care to.
By the same bell-curve reading, in any given context, the majority of
humanity is, _by definition_, also average or above average - using
whatever metric you care to.
Sure. So?
So both the arguments: we're all mediocre / we're all superior are right.
Yet irrelevant to the
Isn't it funny that whatever metric we choose, we put ourselves outside the
bell curve? If we're measuring below average, it is everyone else. We tend to
be the exception.
Having said that, as a person who *chose* to return and stayed, life is
certainly *not* easy here. But it is easier to be
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Interesting piece. I know a few people who decided to return to
(usually) the US after the Return To India didn't go as well as they
wanted, but this is an interesting way of putting it.
Udhay
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:00 PM, ashok _ listmans...@gmail.com wrote:
he doesnt know what he wants.
This..is probably true of many people who come back. I am not going to sit
in judgement of anyone! The Return works for some people, it doesn't work
for others, even several I know who had very
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM, Venkat Mangudi s...@venkatmangudi.comwrote:
Having said that, as a person who *chose* to return and stayed, life is
certainly *not* easy here. But it is easier to be among friends and family.
A mumbaikar coming back to India should have chosen to go to
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
chandrachoo...@gmail.com wrote:
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Um, This argument doesn't quite ring true Venkat.
I landed in Bristol with no existing friends circle there. I built one up.
All of us do that: be they work friends, blog friends, silk friends,
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
chandrachoo...@gmail.com wrote:
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Um, This argument doesn't quite ring true Venkat.
I landed in Bristol with no existing friends circle there. I built
On Monday 24 October 2011 05:09 PM, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan wrote:
Um, This argument doesn't quite ring true Venkat.
I landed in Bristol with no existing friends circle there. I built one
up. All of us do that: be they work friends, blog friends, silk friends,
family friends, uni
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
Interesting piece. I know a few people who decided to return to
(usually) the US after the Return To India didn't go as well as they
wanted, but this is an interesting way of putting it.
And, among other folks, Chetan
On Monday 24 October 2011 06:29 PM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote:
And, among other folks, Chetan Bhagat chimes in as well
http://www.chetanbhagat.com/blog/2011/10/24/happy-diwali-and-why-i-am-still-here/
Mr Nice. That article is so sickeningly sweet that I now have to eat a
few Bhuts to feel
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Deepa Mohan mohande...@gmail.com wrote:
there are times, I must say, when I am wondering what my husband and I are
doing here, when ALL our family is Over There. Why should I be running
around trying to do something about my city...I have only one life, I
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote:
Deepa, I live in Canada and my family lives mostly in the US and the
Hyderabad Metro area. In the US I worked with an international organization
and had a visa that was not on the immigrant track so I felt pretty secure
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On 23-Oct-11 10:42 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
My understanding is that the writer wanted to move back because he
was Becoming A Person He Didn't Want To Be.
But that would mean that opportunities to distrust people asking
for money and
Aren't there objective metrics for class mobility in societies? As I have
left the US does that mean... I am the NRA?
-- Charles
On Oct 22, 2011 11:16 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
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On 23-Oct-11 10:42 AM, Pranesh Prakash wrote:
My
On Oct 23, 2011 11:23 AM, Ingrid ingrid.srin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23-Oct-2011, at 6:43 AM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Isn't that a defining trait of NRIs : to move to an oasis that someone
else built rather
I admit upfront that I have been following this particular thread with some
irritation and it is because I am guilty of being an NRI but also because
Silk seems to have become a venue for lots of patting on the back. Is it the
contention of Silklisters that character can only be built in India -
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote:
Who cares what the citizenship status is?
The issue being talked about isn't citizenship, but residential status,
methinks.
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com wrote:
. I always wonder why we are all looking for authenticity when the
mixed-up, piebald, pastiche that make up a human being with conflicting
desires and circumstances is a hundred times more interesting! Who cares
what the
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.comwrote:
More importantly, if we had nothing to criticise or bitch about, why would
this group exist ?:-)
To recognize and appreciate the awesomeness that is me.
C
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Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:33:14 -0700
From: Radhika, Y. radhik...@gmail.com
Is it the
contention of Silklisters that character can only be built in India - seems
a tad self-serving?
That, actually, is my contention, Radhika. Speaking from my experience of
living in New
On 23-Oct-2011, at 8:26 AM, Sriram ET. karra@gmail.com wrote:
On Oct 23, 2011 11:23 AM, Ingrid ingrid.srin...@gmail.com wrote:
On 23-Oct-2011, at 6:43 AM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Isn't that
Am reading 'Don't think of an elephant' by Lakoff on framing ideas -
and so these thinking aloud notes on reading this blog.
The author has assumed the following framing - bullock cart India,
airplane India, scooter India. It assumes a few things: 1. Different
Indias at different stages of
On Sunday 23 Oct 2011 3:04:36 pm Shoba Narayan wrote:
If I didn't have kids and parents, I'd be in NYC right now.
That's basically it. India demands sacrifice for the sake of family (and, by
extension, society). That just about sums up dharma
shiv
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Ingrid ingrid.srin...@gmail.com wrote:
One could say that of one's family, no?
I happen to believe building an oasis is a tad more valuable than drinking
from another's. But, to each his/her own.
Valuable to who?
Fact of the matter is the vast majority of
certainly i agree that the vast majority of us are mediocre. however the
idea that struggle exists only in India is a really bizarre one. Negotiating
one's way in the world is not something any of us are spared. if you are not
conscious of the struggle no matter what your location then maybe one
On 24-Oct-11 12:42 AM, Charles Haynes wrote:
certainly i agree that the vast majority of us are mediocre.
Really? I don't. I don't think I've ever met a mediocre person. I find
this characterization (and I know you didn't start it) very sad it sets
you up to feel constantly inadequate.
I
This guy knows nothing. His average $250k annual salary is the bottom of the
lot on the financial districts of the East Coast. He faces discrimination on
the wealth and lifestyle disparity scale far worse than he can possibly
imagine.
Oh but he's a California techie, from Bombay who tried to
In short dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka
People keep joking about amit_123 obstreperous north indians in south india
There should be far more jokes about mumbaikars with a fixed opinion that
their city smells of roses and every other city is completely useless by
comparison .. only it
On Saturday 22 Oct 2011 6:27:21 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
I’m glad I went back to India, and I’m glad to be back in the U.S. Life
has come full circle but the center has shifted. I didn’t go to India to
find home, but I did find it; I now know where I belong. As Laozi might
have said,
In short dhobi ka kutta, na ghar ka na ghat ka
People keep joking about amit_123 obstreperous north indians in south india
There should be far more jokes about mumbaikars with a fixed opinion that
their city smells of roses and every other city is completely useless by
comparison .. only
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Near the first anniversary of our return, I had my first road-rage
incident: I verbally abused a hawker who was blocking the road. I?m not
going to let bullock-cart India make my daughter late for her school
admission test.
The hawker glared but scampered away, the road cleared, and, as
Meera wrote [2011-10-23 09:24]:
It's ok to shout because the hawker blocks your way, but not just
because he is a hawker.
My understanding is that the writer wanted to move back because he was
Becoming A Person He Didn't Want To Be.
But that would mean that opportunities to distrust people
On 23-Oct-2011, at 6:43 AM, Mahesh Murthy mahesh.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
To me it's a seemingly-eloquently argued defense of cowardice.
Isn't that a defining trait of NRIs : to move to an oasis that someone else
built rather than transform one's own desert surroundings?
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