Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-06-13 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 7:28 PM Bharat Shetty 
wrote:

> Now wondering if I should get a proper google pixel phone. The only thing
> that is making me think is "Is it worth to spend 60,000 INR for a phone
> that lasts around 3-4 years max?"
>

The recently released Pixel 3a is excellent value for money. It has many of
the features of the higher end Pixel 3, in a cheaper plastic body.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-06-12 Thread Bharat Shetty
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:37 PM Thaths  wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bharat Shetty 
> wrote:
>
> > One of the things that came in discussions with the group involved in
> > building the tool was that, the mics on our smart phones are usually good
> > and as such the audio input delivered to the CloudASR (Where speech to
> text
> > happens) is good. Perhaps similar good mic quality may be needed  for
> other
> > devices. I'm hoping the applications of this proliferate to all public
> > places. And also transliteration rolls in slowly for language to
> language.
> > that will be a huge game changer.
> >
> > Also, the team deliberately decided not to support saving of the
> > transcripts in accordance with the privacy laws concerns globally.
> >
>
> There is more announced on Live Transcribe:
>
> https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/16/android-live-transcribe-sound-alerts/
>
> including transcription saving.
>
>
I just saw this. This is incredibly useful for Indian classrooms if the
accent is decipherable. Saving of transcripts will go a long way in
revising what teachers told in classrooms for most of the English based
deaf and hard of hearing students or revise stuff told in public lectures
etc.

As for me, the more I use this app, i get mind blown how much of
interesting conversations happen around me all the time in groups.

This is truly remarkable game changing innovation by Google.

Now wondering if I should get a proper google pixel phone. The only thing
that is making me think is "Is it worth to spend 60,000 INR for a phone
that lasts around 3-4 years max?"

Regards,
- Bharat

Thaths
> --
> Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
> Carl:  Nuthin'.
> Homer: D'oh!
> Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
> Homer: Woo-hoo!
>


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-05-18 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:57 PM Bharat Shetty 
wrote:

> One of the things that came in discussions with the group involved in
> building the tool was that, the mics on our smart phones are usually good
> and as such the audio input delivered to the CloudASR (Where speech to text
> happens) is good. Perhaps similar good mic quality may be needed  for other
> devices. I'm hoping the applications of this proliferate to all public
> places. And also transliteration rolls in slowly for language to language.
> that will be a huge game changer.
>
> Also, the team deliberately decided not to support saving of the
> transcripts in accordance with the privacy laws concerns globally.
>

There is more announced on Live Transcribe:

https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/16/android-live-transcribe-sound-alerts/

including transcription saving.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-02-08 Thread Bharat Shetty
> I am waiting for when it becomes available for desktop, for those few of us
> who don't use smart phones and apps. I know it would be a huge timesaver
> for me as a journalist who does a lot of interviews and spends a lot of
> time procrastinating about transcribing and then getting down to the bloody
> thing,
>

One of the things that came in discussions with the group involved in
building the tool was that, the mics on our smart phones are usually good
and as such the audio input delivered to the CloudASR (Where speech to text
happens) is good. Perhaps similar good mic quality may be needed  for other
devices. I'm hoping the applications of this proliferate to all public
places. And also transliteration rolls in slowly for language to language.
that will be a huge game changer.

Also, the team deliberately decided not to support saving of the
transcripts in accordance with the privacy laws concerns globally.

Regards,
Bharat


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-02-08 Thread Peter Griffin
> > > Rather than using Google doc's speech-to-text dictation as a way of
> > getting
> > > a transcript of what was said by people in a meeting, a better approach
> > > might be some sort of accessibility setting in Android that does
> > real-time
> > > voice to text transcripts (and is also capable of identifying once
> voice
> > > from another - so it shows dialog, instead of a wall of text).
> > So, what Thaths was suggesting has been released finally by Google, and
> I'm
> > able to use it effectively in internal office meetings.
> >
> >
> >
> https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/02/real-time-continuous-transcription-with.html
> >
> > It does well on most Engish transcribing and Kannada as well. A game
> > changer application!
> >
>
> I saw a demo of it some months ago and I was very impressed. But I could
> not previously talk about it publicly. Which is why I described the
> behavior in general terms and did not mention that it was being worked on
> and coming out sometime.
>
> I am very happy to hear it is working for you, Bharat. I know the PM for
> this feature. I will drop him a note about this. He will be happy to hear
> it.
>
> Read about this when it came out, and am waiting to hear back from friends
with disabilities.
I am waiting for when it becomes available for desktop, for those few of us
who don't use smart phones and apps. I know it would be a huge timesaver
for me as a journalist who does a lot of interviews and spends a lot of
time procrastinating about transcribing and then getting down to the bloody
thing,


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-02-07 Thread Thaths
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 1:07 PM Bharat Shetty 
wrote:

> > Rather than using Google doc's speech-to-text dictation as a way of
> getting
> > a transcript of what was said by people in a meeting, a better approach
> > might be some sort of accessibility setting in Android that does
> real-time
> > voice to text transcripts (and is also capable of identifying once voice
> > from another - so it shows dialog, instead of a wall of text).
> So, what Thaths was suggesting has been released finally by Google, and I'm
> able to use it effectively in internal office meetings.
>
>
> https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/02/real-time-continuous-transcription-with.html
>
> It does well on most Engish transcribing and Kannada as well. A game
> changer application!
>

I saw a demo of it some months ago and I was very impressed. But I could
not previously talk about it publicly. Which is why I described the
behavior in general terms and did not mention that it was being worked on
and coming out sometime.

I am very happy to hear it is working for you, Bharat. I know the PM for
this feature. I will drop him a note about this. He will be happy to hear
it.

Thaths

-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-02-07 Thread Bharat Shetty
>
>
> Rather than using Google doc's speech-to-text dictation as a way of getting
> a transcript of what was said by people in a meeting, a better approach
> might be some sort of accessibility setting in Android that does real-time
> voice to text transcripts (and is also capable of identifying once voice
> from another - so it shows dialog, instead of a wall of text).
>
>
So, what Thaths was suggesting has been released finally by Google, and I'm
able to use it effectively in internal office meetings.

https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/02/real-time-continuous-transcription-with.html

It does well on most Engish transcribing and Kannada as well. A game
changer application!

Cheers,
Bharat


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-25 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 12:28:16PM -0800, Heather Madrone wrote:
[...]
> The problem with chains of logic is that the running code (in this
> case, reality) can take another branch anywhere along the line and
> end up in a completely different place.

It would not have been so bad, however:

- humans have tendency to be over optimistic (including me and my way
  of describing things)

- I think the way the Universe works, there is greater chance that
  branching will take us in worse direction rather than better one

> Wars definitely damage, but rarely completely wreck, ecosystems.
> Even the most devastating nuclear war would have a hard time
> eradicating all humans on Earth, let alone every extremophile
> ecosystem on the planet.

Yes and no. The damage sometimes takes place on a battlefield and
sometimes around facilities supplying the battlefield:

https://orionmagazine.org/article/the-forbidden-forest/

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/destruction_of_the_ecosystem

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_war

Those things are of the past and they were, sometimes continue to be
serious. And the world population was, say, well below two billion,
and our means were only so-so.

I am mostly certain it would go much more serious in not very far away
future, with ecology feeble from overexploitation and climate changes,
and many more people to feed and equip before they reduce each other
en masse in a mincer. And, we have now even more powerful means for
everything (except we cannot be powerfully less harmful to
environment).

As of "no more ecosystems" - sure, I realize there are some life down
below my feet, perhaps hundreds kilometers down below. But for the
purpose of keeping me alive, this life can as well be in a distant
planetary system. Or worse, it may contribute to releasing some toxic
(to me) materials, if some yet unknown environmental seal gets broken.

[...]
> The whole planet is infected with the same disease. Either the
> infectious agent (that would be us) will learn to live in harmony
> with its environment or it will die when it kills its host.

I do not see it quite the same way and I oppose the idea that I am
bacteria.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **



Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-25 Thread Heather Madrone

Tomasz Rola wrote on 1/25/19 4:04 AM January 25, 2019:

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Bruce A. Metcalf wrote:
[...]

The longer we put it off, the worse it will be when it does come.
Perhaps central Africa and the middle east have it right, get it
done now and avoid the rush.

"Civil World War", I like that term, unfortunately.


I strongly oppose the idea of war (civil or not) as way of problem
solving. And it is a good testament to human inborn stupidity that
problems cannot be solved in other ways, apparently. But it will not
happen for a very different reason. Simply put, wars wreck ecosystems
and after this next one, no more ecosystems anymore. So, instead a
virus will be unleashed. I guess that 1/3 of global population may be
gone without much repercussion other than bad memories (and witnessing
from the side, I can tell you how long those memories will last: chew
a gum, spit it, gone). Perhaps 2/3 might be doable with enough smart
automation already running. Forget about preppers. They are going to
bite the sand as everybody else.


The problem with chains of logic is that the running code (in this case, 
reality) can take another branch anywhere along the line and end up in a 
completely different place.


Wars definitely damage, but rarely completely wreck, ecosystems. Even 
the most devastating nuclear war would have a hard time eradicating all 
humans on Earth, let alone every extremophile ecosystem on the planet.


The idiocies and cruelties of the warrior overlords are way beyond my 
imagination, let alone modeling abilities, but I have observed that they 
are often willing to accept unbelievable risks in order to achieve their 
objectives. Where else would the logic that India would "win" an all-out 
nuclear war with Pakistan come from?



What they have in central Africa and Middle East is, I am afraid, a
civilisation cancer. If I were cancer, I would say they are doing it
right. But I will only say, it is metastasing and whoever thinks that
he can easily control it is in huge error.


The whole planet is infected with the same disease. Either the 
infectious agent (that would be us) will learn to live in harmony with 
its environment or it will die when it kills its host.


--hmm




Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-25 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 01:04:38PM +0100, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Bruce A. Metcalf wrote:
> [...]
> > The longer we put it off, the worse it will be when it does come.
> > Perhaps central Africa and the middle east have it right, get it
> > done now and avoid the rush.
> > 
> > "Civil World War", I like that term, unfortunately.
> 
> I strongly oppose the idea of war (civil or not) as way of problem
> solving.

But my attitude towards those who would start war on me is a bit
different, so to say... So, no pacifist. I just can see that war is
very impractical way, quite often coming back to those who started it
(in one way or another, sooner or later wind brings the ashes to every
home).

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **



Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-25 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Bruce A. Metcalf wrote:
[...]
> The longer we put it off, the worse it will be when it does come.
> Perhaps central Africa and the middle east have it right, get it
> done now and avoid the rush.
> 
> "Civil World War", I like that term, unfortunately.

I strongly oppose the idea of war (civil or not) as way of problem
solving. And it is a good testament to human inborn stupidity that
problems cannot be solved in other ways, apparently. But it will not
happen for a very different reason. Simply put, wars wreck ecosystems
and after this next one, no more ecosystems anymore. So, instead a
virus will be unleashed. I guess that 1/3 of global population may be
gone without much repercussion other than bad memories (and witnessing
from the side, I can tell you how long those memories will last: chew
a gum, spit it, gone). Perhaps 2/3 might be doable with enough smart
automation already running. Forget about preppers. They are going to
bite the sand as everybody else.

What they have in central Africa and Middle East is, I am afraid, a
civilisation cancer. If I were cancer, I would say they are doing it
right. But I will only say, it is metastasing and whoever thinks that
he can easily control it is in huge error.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **



Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-21 Thread Bruce A. Metcalf

On 01/21/2019 07:10 PM, Thaths wrote:

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:49 AM Bruce A. Metcalf wrote:


1. Malthusian forces will bring famine to much of the third world,
unless some new disease gets there first. Growing resistance to
acceptance of vaccination will aid the latter.


I am in the middle of reading Hans Rosling's _Factfulness_. He says that
current estimates are that global population is expected to plateau at
10-11 Billion by 2100. I.e, not an exponential Malthusian growth. Are you
saying that population is going to go much higher than that, or that Earth
doesn't have the carrying capacity for 10-11 Billion?


I'm saying that given the transportation and economic systems, we can't 
feed the people living today. I expect the contrast between haves and 
have nots to exacerbate. I also think that this sort of mass starvation 
will be (most of) what prevents exponential growth and eventually 
plateau the planet's population.




4. Tribalization will continue to worsen cooperation, from the
international level down to communities. Such conflicts will in some
cases result in political separations, which will serve to ossify such
attitudes.


I agree. I think significant parts of the world are heading to a Civil War
of some sort. Perhaps a Civil World War. But I feel this is likely to
happen in the near future, and not 20+ years from now.


The longer we put it off, the worse it will be when it does come. 
Perhaps central Africa and the middle east have it right, get it done 
now and avoid the rush.


"Civil World War", I like that term, unfortunately.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /




Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-21 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 3:49 AM Bruce A. Metcalf 
wrote:

>
> 1. Malthusian forces will bring famine to much of the third world,
> unless some new disease gets there first. Growing resistance to
> acceptance of vaccination will aid the latter.
>

I am in the middle of reading Hans Rosling's _Factfulness_. He says that
current estimates are that global population is expected to plateau at
10-11 Billion by 2100. I.e, not an exponential Malthusian growth. Are you
saying that population is going to go much higher than that, or that Earth
doesn't have the carrying capacity for 10-11 Billion?


> 4. Tribalization will continue to worsen cooperation, from the
> international level down to communities. Such conflicts will in some
> cases result in political separations, which will serve to ossify such
> attitudes.
>

I agree. I think significant parts of the world are heading to a Civil War
of some sort. Perhaps a Civil World War. But I feel this is likely to
happen in the near future, and not 20+ years from now.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-21 Thread Thaths
On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 2:53 AM Bharat Shetty 
wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:15 AM Thaths  wrote:
> > 5. Though a bigger percentage of the world will be literate than today,
> it
> > will be possible to use the internet without being literate (voice
> > recognition, tts)
> >
>
> A question about current state of the voice recognition (voice typing by
> google). Has it improved to pick up accents in India ?  Can I use it to get
> context reliably using google docs which shows the audio to text
> translation in real-time during office meetings / conferences etc ?
>

Indian accent recognition has got a lot better, give it a try. Voice
recognition works well when there is one person dictating at a reasonable
pace. But in natural conversations, when people are speaking over each
other and interrupting each other, it doesn't work that well.

Rather than using Google doc's speech-to-text dictation as a way of getting
a transcript of what was said by people in a meeting, a better approach
might be some sort of accessibility setting in Android that does real-time
voice to text transcripts (and is also capable of identifying once voice
from another - so it shows dialog, instead of a wall of text).

Thaths

-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-21 Thread Bruce A. Metcalf

On 01/01/2019 04:21 PM, Peter Griffin wrote:


What are your predictions for 2048?


A most interesting challenge, thank you. I'm afraid I'm more pessimistic 
for 2048 than I am for later dates. I think many issues will get worse 
before they get better.


1. Malthusian forces will bring famine to much of the third world, 
unless some new disease gets there first. Growing resistance to 
acceptance of vaccination will aid the latter.


2. The first world will fortify to keep others out. This will reach a 
peak when military force is used to kill immigrants/invaders.


3. Global temperature rise will result in significant sea level rise, 
which will threaten major cities and inundate low-lying countries. The 
first world will throw inordinate amounts of money at hardening coastal 
cities in what will prove a futile attempt to deny change.


4. Tribalization will continue to worsen cooperation, from the 
international level down to communities. Such conflicts will in some 
cases result in political separations, which will serve to ossify such 
attitudes.


5. Each generation will have less patience for bigotry and prejudice, 
and the conflict with their elders will continue as it has for several 
millenia. "Change occurs at the rate of attrition."


6. Technology will surge in governmental applications (especially 
oppressive ones), continue to advance slowly in consumer applications, 
and stagnate for science and technology. Space will either become 
crowded or empty.


7. All of the above is subject to change if a charismatic leader 
appears, promoting a more civilized approach. Of course, this would also 
lead to religious wars, but perhaps not immediately.


8. Email will still be here, but with any luck it will have evolved, 
perhaps following the EMAIL2 proposal.


I would be 94 in 2048, so perhaps I'll get to see how well I guessed.

Cheers,
/ Bruce /



Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-21 Thread Bharat Shetty
- Bharat


On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:15 AM Thaths  wrote:

> 5. Though a bigger percentage of the world will be literate than today, it
> will be possible to use the internet without being literate (voice
> recognition, tts)
>

A question about current state of the voice recognition (voice typing by
google). Has it improved to pick up accents in India ?  Can I use it to get
context reliably using google docs which shows the audio to text
translation in real-time during office meetings / conferences etc ?

Regards,
Bharat


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-02 Thread Srini RamaKrishnan
Funny how most modern science fiction isn't so optimistic. After the dismal
failure of flying cars to materialise by 2000, I think those in the
prediction game have turned all doom and gloom of late.

There are better odds for a perfect storm of global climate catastrophes to
reset civilization to the stone age. Most likely we will be fighting over
water, or we'd have moved to remote locations since cities would be
uninhabitable.

The many reports from the UN, the global think tanks and institutions all
seem to worry about this.




On Thu, Jan 3, 2019, 11:15 AM Thaths  On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:22 AM Peter Griffin 
> wrote:
>
> > Experiment for this list.
> > Take a bash at this yourself. Let's give you a shorter horizon than The
> > Star gave Asimov: 28 years, which will be 99 years after Orwell wrote
> 1984,
> > and when India will have turned 101, and more importantly, this list will
> > have turned 50.
> >
> > What are your predictions for 2048?
> >
>
> 1. A significant majority automotive vehicles (cars, SUVs, buses) will be
> Electrical Vehicles (EVs). DC fast chargers will be more widespread (but
> probably not as many as petrol stations today). Fast charging stations will
> be more in number than petrol stations (i.e., fewer petrol stations in the
> future than today).
>
> 2. We will continue to depend on hydrocarbons for many applications -
> aviation, plastics, for example.
>
> 3. A large percentage of the electricity that will power locomotion (see 1
> above) will come from nuclear fission.
>
> 4. The Singularity will continue to be 20 years ago. We will not have
> achieved the Singularity (or {Communist|Libertarian} Utopia).
>
> 5. Though a bigger percentage of the world will be literate than today, it
> will be possible to use the internet without being literate (voice
> recognition, tts)
>
>
> (Prediction 0 is, I guess, that email will still be around in 2048, and so
> > will this list, though I will almost certainly not be.)
> >
>
> I am actually sceptical that email will be around. It is already in, I'm
> afraid terminal, decline. These days I think it is mostly used by us old
> fogies.
>
> Thaths
>
>
> >
> > All the very best for the new year and the next 28 years, y'all.
> >
> > ~peter
> >
>
>
> --
> Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
> Carl:  Nuthin'.
> Homer: D'oh!
> Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
> Homer: Woo-hoo!
>


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-02 Thread Thaths
On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 8:22 AM Peter Griffin 
wrote:

> Experiment for this list.
> Take a bash at this yourself. Let's give you a shorter horizon than The
> Star gave Asimov: 28 years, which will be 99 years after Orwell wrote 1984,
> and when India will have turned 101, and more importantly, this list will
> have turned 50.
>
> What are your predictions for 2048?
>

1. A significant majority automotive vehicles (cars, SUVs, buses) will be
Electrical Vehicles (EVs). DC fast chargers will be more widespread (but
probably not as many as petrol stations today). Fast charging stations will
be more in number than petrol stations (i.e., fewer petrol stations in the
future than today).

2. We will continue to depend on hydrocarbons for many applications -
aviation, plastics, for example.

3. A large percentage of the electricity that will power locomotion (see 1
above) will come from nuclear fission.

4. The Singularity will continue to be 20 years ago. We will not have
achieved the Singularity (or {Communist|Libertarian} Utopia).

5. Though a bigger percentage of the world will be literate than today, it
will be possible to use the internet without being literate (voice
recognition, tts)


(Prediction 0 is, I guess, that email will still be around in 2048, and so
> will this list, though I will almost certainly not be.)
>

I am actually sceptical that email will be around. It is already in, I'm
afraid terminal, decline. These days I think it is mostly used by us old
fogies.

Thaths


>
> All the very best for the new year and the next 28 years, y'all.
>
> ~peter
>


-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!


Re: [silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-01 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian


  
  
  

Given I've spent since the late 90s around large email services I 
heartily endorse your prediction zero. Mainframes will be even longer lived.
Though, other than work, newsletters / bills and the occasional personal mail, 
lists like lucretius are all that I use email for these days.  Person to person 
mail has become incredibly rare for me over the years.
With all the big data and 360 insight direction the world is moving towards we 
seem to have a bare choice of features, one orwellian and the other neo 
luddite, rejecting all technology in favor of privacy.



--srs

  




On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 2:51 AM +0530, "Peter Griffin"  
wrote:










https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/12/27/35-years-ago-isaac-asimov-was-asked-by-the-star-to-predict-the-world-of-2019-here-is-what-he-wrote.html
lf we look into the world as it may be at the end of another generation,
let’s say 2019 — that’s 35 years from now, the same number of years since
1949 when George Orwell’s 1984 was first published — three considerations
must dominate our thoughts: 1. Nuclear war. 2. Computerization. 3. Space
utilization.

Experiment for this list.
Take a bash at this yourself. Let's give you a shorter horizon than The
Star gave Asimov: 28 years, which will be 99 years after Orwell wrote 1984,
and when India will have turned 101, and more importantly, this list will
have turned 50.

What are your predictions for 2048?

(Prediction 0 is, I guess, that email will still be around in 2048, and so
will this list, though I will almost certainly not be.)

All the very best for the new year and the next 28 years, y'all.

~peter







[silk] From 35 years ago, Asimov's predictions for 2019 (and anxperiment for this list)

2019-01-01 Thread Peter Griffin
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2018/12/27/35-years-ago-isaac-asimov-was-asked-by-the-star-to-predict-the-world-of-2019-here-is-what-he-wrote.html
lf we look into the world as it may be at the end of another generation,
let’s say 2019 — that’s 35 years from now, the same number of years since
1949 when George Orwell’s 1984 was first published — three considerations
must dominate our thoughts: 1. Nuclear war. 2. Computerization. 3. Space
utilization.

Experiment for this list.
Take a bash at this yourself. Let's give you a shorter horizon than The
Star gave Asimov: 28 years, which will be 99 years after Orwell wrote 1984,
and when India will have turned 101, and more importantly, this list will
have turned 50.

What are your predictions for 2048?

(Prediction 0 is, I guess, that email will still be around in 2048, and so
will this list, though I will almost certainly not be.)

All the very best for the new year and the next 28 years, y'all.

~peter