Re: CSVictim

2007-02-05 Thread M. G. Devour
This was the first one I tried, but had an uneasy feeling that the 100ppm it boasted wasn't right. I noticed then after I looked at others that they were all 3ppm, 5ppm, and 10ppm seemed the highest, I didn't even finish the Water Oz bottle but threw it away. I think a degree of common

CS[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

2007-02-05 Thread M. G. Devour
Dear Silver friends, Some minor odd symptoms have made me wonder if we are having problems reaching members with a yahoo.com address. Would some of you with @yahoo.com addresses please let me know if the total number of posts you've received over the last few days agrees closely with the

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Ode Coyote
You get Agyria from retaining more than [3 grams? ] of silver in an average human body mass. If the elimination system is normal, the elimination rate is around 94-99% in 48 hours. [Phalen and Morrow, Newton and Holmes, EPA ] Back when the links to studies on Rosemary Jacobs website

Re: CSArgyria

2007-02-05 Thread Dee
Don't you think she could have been joking? Dee ---Original Message--- People are always looking for ways to make money. I heard Rose Anne Barr say that she likes the business of writing children's books because kids don t sue her. She too looks for ways to make money to avoid

RE: CS[List Owner] Time out...

2007-02-05 Thread Carlos P�rez
Mike, Undoubtedtly you are a top class moderator and this list is full of really high quality members. I am very proud to belong to this gang of freaks, silver nuts or whatever we or others want to call us. Thanks to all for the tremendous help given me all along my process of learning.

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Dee
I don't really think after all that's been said by Terry, Mike and all the others, that you will ever be convinced. This list is non profit making and full of people who have the actual experience of taking EIS. I take it to help with sore throats and 'flu, sickness, eye problems, wounds etc.,

RE: CS[List Owner] Time out...

2007-02-05 Thread reglee
I agree with Carlos.. Everyone here is decent folks.. and I have learnt a great deal from this list too. Even though I don't contribute much but listening (reading) are mostly decent and honest view all the folks here.. and I have not wasted my time here. Reggie!! from the wild wild west

Re: CSVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Dee
Maybe it is in my nature to err on the side of caution, eh Mike? Dee ---Original Message--- Given the high concentration of WaterOZ (100ppm), it was too easy for them to use more than the manufacturer recommended, especially when everybody else on the list was making and using

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Ode Coyote
You are using you guys pretty freely. Us guys need to know all the details so we can determine if you are talking to the right guys...for starters. There definitely ARE some dangerous liars *out there* who will sell anything they can while 'calling' it something that has a very good

Re: CSSkin Tags

2007-02-05 Thread Rowena
I tried Cansema salve on DH when treating a skin cancer. The cancer dropped off but not the skin tags. But one tiny lump I dabbed did drop off. It must have been a tiny cancer. R I wonder too, but I'm almost afraid of that stuff. Some tales sound like a China syndrome effect on skin. DB

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Ode Coyote
At 02:20 PM 2/4/2007 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 2/4/2007 1:08:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, noblemet...@bellsouth.net writes: Any silver in the air won't be pure silver. It will be chlorides, sulfides, etc-- nitrates most likely. Silver nitrate will DEFINITELY turn your skin

Re: CSCS and T4 Cells

2007-02-05 Thread Ode Coyote
A friend of mine who has both Hep C and HIV used EIS for a few months at 1 pint per day /12 PPM orally. It did nothing for the Hep C [works for some, but not manyapparently ] BUT The HIV went undetectable. The ability to heal fast was enhanced dramatically. [a welder/ metal sculptor,

Re: CS

2007-02-05 Thread Ode Coyote
American Biotech is a big bullshitter...one of the best. BUT, they do make very good EIS ..it's just not different from good home made. ode At 05:07 PM 2/4/2007 -0500, you wrote: ArgyriaVictim said, They banned this crap long ago for the simple fact it does nothing but turn you gray.

Re: CS[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

2007-02-05 Thread Carol Ann
Hi Mike, Seem to be recieving plenty of emails to my yahoo addy via comcast IPS :) I use CS quite frequentlyNo Odd symptoms here.;) M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Dear Silver friends, Some minor odd symptoms have made me wonder if we are having problems reaching members

RE: CS[List Owner] Time out...

2007-02-05 Thread Roger Royal
I agree. Mike is the most gracious, competent moderator I have ever seen! I find the members to be so friendly and helpful to all. The tone of the list makes it feel like a group of friends chatting. I have learned so much about many alternative health options, much more than just CS. I

RE: CSSkin Tags

2007-02-05 Thread ransley
I should have added tongue in cheek when I said I'm almost afraid of it. I would use it if I had to. DB -Original Message- From: Rowena [mailto:new...@aapt.net.au] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSkin Tags I tried Cansema salve on DH

RE: CS[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

2007-02-05 Thread David W Kenney
I receieved 69 posts on the 4th -Original Message- From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS[List Owner] Possible mail problem? Dear Silver friends, Some minor odd symptoms have made me wonder if we are

CS

2007-02-05 Thread Dan Nave
Ode, I was following you until I got to the part about the Google search. You need to search on Argyria not Agryia. Dan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:odecoy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

Re: CSCS and T4 cells

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Alternative D. wrote: Hi listers, I want to make this question, if cs may help someone to raise a low T4 cell count (the cells that HIV destroys..), or if there is any other supplement/herb that may help. I have heard a lot about glyconutrients, that they help a lot.. I don't think that CS

Re: CSCS and T4 Cells

2007-02-05 Thread Alternative D.
Dear Ode, I am very glad to hear this, about CS and HIV... The truth is that right now I am under a treatment with ozon, in a clinique in Germany, and I am expecting the results from blood test onThursday,and I am expecting the results to be very 'optimistic', if I compare my condition

Re: CSCS and T4 Cells

2007-02-05 Thread Dee
You're very welcome, hope everything goes well. Regards, Dee PS your English is fine! ---Original Message--- I want to thank Duncan a Dee for their response to my question, their informations are really valuable to me... Dim (..and sorry for my english, I try to do my best

Re: CS[List Owner] Possible mail problem?

2007-02-05 Thread Bruce Anderson
Hi Mike; No problem here. (bruce...@yahoo,com) Bruce A. M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Silver friends, Some minor odd symptoms have made me wonder if we are having problems reaching members with a yahoo.com address. Would some of you with @yahoo.com addresses please let me know if the total

Re: CSCS and T4 Cells

2007-02-05 Thread M. G. Devour
Dear Dim, You write: (..and sorry for my english, I try to do my best when I write in this language.. :) You don't need to apologize, Dim. Your english is great! Welcome to the group. Thank you for sharing your progress with us. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot,

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/31/2007 2:12:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, mdud...@king-cart.com writes: The data we have is that: What is the source of your data? How do you know it is reliable? How do you know it is complete? There is a large body of medical literature

CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Terry Chamberlin
The problem I have with ArgyriaVictim’s complaint is the complete absence of supporting evidence. She has been asked to provide details of her condition, what was the product that she says produced this condition or did she make it herself and how. I can truly understand her anger if she looks

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Gina Gomes wrote: Hello Everyone I am totally new to colloidal silver. Can someone explain to me what causes Argyria? Is it really due to not using distilled water? *What is this about Argyria?* As outlined above argyria is caused by the photographic process. Silver salts/compounds are

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia / A question

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
vwol...@aol.com wrote: Is there a possibility that certain peoples body chemistry cannot handle the CS? No one is any one way across the board...maybe there are some who cannot assimilate (is that the word?) the CS properlyJust a thoughtV. It is a fact that one's body

Re: CSRe: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread M. G. Devour
Mary Ann writes: Well -- that surprises me too. Generally Mike gives the list a heads-up if he's unsubbed someone. And he tells us why, too. If this is true, then I expect he'll be advising us soon. MA On second thought, maybe Mike's Time Out post was just exactly that -- the

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: Craig, In answer to your suggestion... Yes I have taken for over a year the method you have spoken of and other methods that others have suggested. Guess what? It doesn't work! It along with this whole belief of CS is a hoax to sell a product. I am confused,

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/4/2007 1:08:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, noblemet...@bellsouth.net writes: Any silver in the air won't be pure silver. It will be chlorides, sulfides, etc-- nitrates most likely. Silver nitrate will DEFINITELY turn your skin

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/4/2007 1:31:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, ral...@highpowermagneticpulser.com writes: The moment you decide to treat yourself, your taking your own risks. Who are you going to sue??.yourself? Grow up and take responsibility

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Well heck, if that is what they were using, argyria is expected (as has been warned here for years), and that it does not work well is expected as well. He came in here saying it was colloidal silver, now we find out it was nothing more than what we have been saying can cause argyria and does

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Gina Gomes wrote: I'm waiting for someone to explain to me what causes Agryia and what are the known ways to reverse it. As most people know, silver is used as the photo-sensitive ingredient in almost all photographic processes. Silver compounds, when exposed to light, will often result in

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread marmar845
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca ArgyriaVictim claims to know of numerous cases, but, until she/he presents them for inspection, I must assume they don’t actually exist. I must also wonder if Victim's problem actually exists. Well Terry, she's certainly gone silent on the

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Jason. Would you believe all the years I have been lurking in these silver groups under different names this is the first time I have heard this company even mentioned in them. I don't believe that any of the groups warn people of the risks. Certainly

CSNeed more cat help

2007-02-05 Thread marmar845
Hi Guys. Well, I need cat help once again. One day last week, a stranger cat showed up in my barn. A very nice cat, but extremely thin. He integrated himself nicely with my own cats, and appeared to eat and drink normally. In addition to being thin, I noticed that he had very

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Gina Gomes wrote: I agree that the word Argyria is new to me also. I joined this group to educate myself before taking CS but I am finding out that people are not honest and upfront about any of the risks. Are you talking about the people on this list? You might find disagreement, but I

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread WSims21675
I am new to this group. I know people that have had herpes and a lot of other diseases that CS has taken care of. This group is alright with us. They answered the questions that I asked and they were right on Q. I have been taken CS for years and I am feeling great. If I catch a cold it

Re: CSVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
argyriavic...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 2/4/2007 5:39:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, devorah...@yahoo.com writes: Just a couple of questions...if you have been on this list for a long time why on earth wouldn't you bother to ask others about the product you bought and

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread WSims21675
My believe is this is people that are out to destroy the creditable of CS. I am not going to concern myself with this. I know what CS is capable of doing for my loved ones and other people that I know.

CSAgryia, Rosemary Jacobs ( PDF )

2007-02-05 Thread CWFugitt
I am totally new to colloidal silver. Can someone explain to me what causes Argyria? Is it really due to not using distilled water? *What is this about Argyria?* Enough has been said of course but some may be interested in theFirst and Classical case. Some have this file

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Debb Bos
Enough is Enough I have been taking it for years. What ever happened to you (I'M Sorry it happened to you)is you took it from your own free will. You can leave this list anytime you like it is called free will. marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: argyriavic...@aol.com Bashing needs to stay

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread M. G. Devour
In the same vein, Sam, (pun intended) there is one positively DANGEROUS aspect of CS/EIS: I have not used a pharmaceutical antibiotic in about 9 years, after regularly needing several prescriptions per year for at least the previous decade. I think maybe one or two antibiotics have been used

Re: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Craig Chamberlin
Hi ArgyriaVictim, WIth this response you have succeeded in losing my attention. You have also openly stated you are searching for others with Argyria to further your efforts legally. Empathize with your situation, but you are not listening to anyone's suggestions, you are not providing

CSRe: Argyria

2007-02-05 Thread Catherine Creel
I'm glad this was brought up. What you're talking about here is P-450 enzymes. We all have them but what makes us biochemically unique is that we all have differing amount of these particular enzymes. Occasionally, one or more is completely absent. These enzymes are also highly polymorphic,

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread dblack
Jason, There was an agryia victim on another CS list a few months ago who said she got her CS from Water Oz, she also knew of several other people who had the same problem from their CS. technically water oz does not sell CS, they call it minerized water or something like that. I knew when I

CSArgyria

2007-02-05 Thread oldgl...@bigcountry.net
I don't think Rose Anne is joking at all. One day someone will sue someone else for the quality of the air in their home. Personally, I think the 'victim' is either a hired gun for someone or totally inept at researching anything for herself. I have a sister who can find someone to blame for

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread G K Murray
That is because AV and Gina Gomes were unsubbed from the group early yesterday or Saturdaynight. According to them it was a surprise. marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca ArgyriaVictim claims to know of numerous cases, but, until she/he presents

CSRe: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread marmar845
From: G K Murray kg...@sasktel.net That is because AV and Gina Gomes were unsubbed from the group early yesterday or Saturdaynight. According to them it was a surprise. Well -- that surprises me too. Generally Mike gives the list a heads-up if he's unsubbed someone. And he tells us

Re: CSRe: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread marmar845
Well -- that surprises me too. Generally Mike gives the list a heads-up if he's unsubbed someone. And he tells us why, too. If this is true, then I expect he'll be advising us soon. MA On second thought, maybe Mike's Time Out post was just exactly that -- the heads-up. MA -- The

Re: CS

2007-02-05 Thread Sam L.
Hi Ode. I pulled this off the AB Patent. ( The electrode device is operated at approximately ten thousand volts alternating current (with each silver electrode having an individual voltage supply) as described in the patent. It has been found that voltages significantly lower than this produce a

Re: CSRe: Argyria

2007-02-05 Thread Smitty
I asked a chemist once why Orientals Amerindians turn red when they drink alcohol. He said they lack an enzyme to break down the alcohol, and it goes directly into their bloodstream. Could you elaborate ? Smitty On 2/5/07, Catherine Creel catherine.cr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad this was

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Ross Craig
They were prococateurs, nothing else...read a little webster: An agent provocateur (plural: agents provocateurs, French language, inciting agent) is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group,

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Ross Craig
Oops, did I say webster, showing my age, of course it's Wikpedia I mean, if they had just given one iota of real info.. - Original Message - From: Ross Craig lag...@eastlink.ca To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:38 PM Subject: Re: CSArgVictim They were

Re: CS

2007-02-05 Thread Sam L.
Hi Ode. I also found this in their patent. 6. The composition according to claim 1 further comprising hydrogen peroxide. Hydrogen peroxide, a know disinfecting agent, has been found to have a synergistic interaction with the inventive silver composition. Hydrogen peroxide is available in

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread marmar845
Gina Gomes is either deliberately ignoring most of what is being posted or else is not receiving most of the messages. She was becoming upset because we were not answering her questions, when several people had already addressed every one of them quite thoroughly. So I removed her also

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Sam L.
EIS has one really bad side effect that I know of. It keeps me and my son away from hospitals and doctors. Very bad side effect for them but good for me. They must be vampires of some sort :). Sam L.

CSRosemary's Aygyria

2007-02-05 Thread david
The timing, circumstances, and Rosemary's own story, just about guarantee the product was Argyrol nose drops, which is a very strong form of mild silver protein. Respected medical publications at the time actually advised doctors to prescribe it. It's still available believe it or not.

Re: CSCS and T4 Cells

2007-02-05 Thread Jodi W Menard
Dim alternativ...@hotmail.com wrote: ...I am not that much worring about the virus right now, but mostly about how to raise my T4 cells that there were just 4 in count two weeks ago. I do know that the treatment with ozon will give a 'boost' to my T4, but I feel that I should do some

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Marshall Dudley
Could be, we have been warning others about that product for years. Marshall dbl...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Jason, There was an agryia victim on another CS list a few months ago who said she got her CS from Water Oz, she also knew of several other people who had the same problem from their CS.

Re: CS[List Owner] Time out...

2007-02-05 Thread Peter Stellas
Hello Mike and fellow CS enthusiasts. Due to my switch to comcast I have not been getting the posts until they were sent to my yahoo account. It is nice to be back and it appears that I missed out on a lot of debate. However, now I have to labor over 356 or so posts, most of them about AV, before

Re: CSRe: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread Sam L.
Hi Mike Once again a good job at maintaining the list. The link had gone on much farther then allowed IMO. SamL. On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 17:23:43 -5, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Mary Ann writes: Well -- that surprises me too. Generally Mike gives the list a heads-up if he's

Re: CSNeed more cat help

2007-02-05 Thread Heidrun Beer
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 13:51:26 -0500, marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote in 20070205185126.hbfd24161.ibm68aec.bellsouth@mail.bellsouth.net: Hi Guys. Well, I need cat help once again. One day last week, a stranger cat showed up in my barn. A very nice cat, but extremely thin. He integrated

Re: CSArgVictim

2007-02-05 Thread JES AM PM
Terry: (and list) I only subscribe to this list and read up on the technical issues about once every 2 -3 years. I'm just too busy, but I do enjoy coming back (thanks Mike for being around this long). As a true blue blood I am more suspectible than most to becoming a gray anatomy victim and

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
A few ideas that might be worth pondering: 1) Dr. Y. Omura, MD., claims that Chinese Parsley (cilantro) effectively scavenges metals from the body. Adding this to the regimen might accelerate the results. 2) I just read today that chlorella is also very good at binding to metals and other

Re: CSFwd: CSAgryia

2007-02-05 Thread Jonathan B. Britten
I will state strongly that the statements made against this group are false and libelous. When the archives are eventually restored, it will be readily demonstrable that long-time members of this list have had ample opportunity to learn about argyria. I have made posting on this topic