[SLUG] It's not too late to volunteer for linux.conf.au
Hi all, It's not too late to volunteer for linux.conf.au! We are currently looking for a few more people to help out as runners, front-of-house and theatre managers. If you are interested please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] as soon as possible. As a volunteer you get free entry into the conference and attendance at the dinner. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] LCA video recording team
On Thu Jan 04, 2007 at 18:49:30 +1100, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote: Hi everyone, to all those who are interested to help out with video recordings at LCA (and in turn get cheaper/free entry to LCA), we're going to go into the last phase of preparations. 1. 7th January, 10am-11:30am, 23 Westminster Rd, Gladesville: (2 weekends before LCA) * we'll do a setup test with all the gear that we have * test the recording to DVD and the transcoding * setup and test upload 2. 14th January, 2pm-6pm, Mathews Theatre B on UNSW Campus: (weekend before LCA) * set up the equipment in Theatres AB * briefing on how things will be done * form the teams * training of the full process from recording, transcoding, to publishing * pre-format the DVDs in preparation for recordings * clean up the DV tapes Of these two meetings, the second will be more important. If you want to help but are not yet subscribed to avhelpers, contact me now. And please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that we know you are volunteering and can sort out your conference registration. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Programming language
On Sat Dec 16, 2006 at 08:37:06 +1100, john gibbons wrote: What would be the easiest programming language to learn? Important variables: (1) my technical knowledge of Linux is limited though I love the philosophy of openness and (2) I am 80 years old, so at my age 'simple' also implies 'soon'. Not being pessimistic about my life span, but a race is on. This will turn into a religious war pretty quickly, but, I would probably say Python or maybe Ruby. IMHO, these languages have the flattest learning curve, while still being a pretty nice language. PHP also has a pretty easy learning curve, but it is IMHO, not a very nice language to program in. Good luck! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer)
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 15:17:47 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Glen Turner wrote: O Plameras wrote: Just a footnote: one CANNOT register to be authoritative for a set of public ip addresses that one does not own. One has to pay (or be authorized by) the owner of the public ip addresses to use it for the services previously mentioned. Um, I can point www.example.aarnet.edu.au to whatever IP address I care to. I don't need the IP address owner's permission. I do need to be able to update the zone example.aarnet.edu.au, either manually or using dynamic DNS. It's the reverse DNS that the owner of the IP address space controls. So, what happens when you do, www.example.aarnet.edu.au A IN 203.7.132.1 in your live DNS, The name www.example.aarnet.edu.au will resolve to 203.7.132.1 and I or anyone say at AOL will not successfully access http://www.example.aarnet.edu.au. .ummm, you won't get to successfully access the site as that host doesn't appear to have a webserver running on port 80... Do a, # whois 203.7.132.1 and you'll see this ip address is not owned by aarnet.edu.au of course. Correct! But so what? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer)
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 15:59:45 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Ben Leslie wrote: On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 15:17:47 +1100, O Plameras wrote: It's the reverse DNS that the owner of the IP address space controls. So, what happens when you do, www.example.aarnet.edu.au A IN 203.7.132.1 in your live DNS, The name www.example.aarnet.edu.au will resolve to 203.7.132.1 It will resolve ONLY within aarnet.edu.au but NOT the INTERNET. Incorrect. And even if it resolves within aarnet.edu.au domain users their cannot access successfully http://www.aarnet.edu.au because registration as authorative for a set of public ip address is a process that is a lot more that just having a correct technical entry in your live DNS. Incorrect. and I or anyone say at AOL will not successfully access http://www.example.aarnet.edu.au. .ummm, you won't get to successfully access the site as that host doesn't appear to have a webserver running on port 80... No. You won't be able to reach that point of accessing port 80 because first you have to find the ip address 203.7.132.1. Incorrect. You can find that ip address. And you won't be able to find the computer hosting www.example.aarnet.edu.au even if there is an entry in aarnet.edu.au DNS. Yes I will. Correct! But so what? Because accessing a WEB server successfully is more that just resolving. Correct! For example, your domain must be authorative for that public ip address. Incorrect! This is not like administering a HOME network. It's the INTERNET. No way! Not the INTERNET! What you are effectively saying is you can because 'you can'; then it's like saying you can break-in in to a property because you can, No that is a very different thing. There is enough protection against people who wish to break-in just like there is enough protection against people who wish to attack networks maliciously. What am I breaking into? Even after you have the entries in your live DNS you still have to go through a process in order that you will be authorized to associate (authorative) www.example.aarnet.edu.au to 203.7.132.1 as far as the INTERNET is concerned. It involves more that one Organizations. Incorrect. Breaking-in is wrong and not allowed by the process. Nothing is being broken into. That's why even if it resolves to the number within aarnet.edu.au domain it will not on the INTERNET. That's why this resolution will not produce the desired result namely, access www.example.aarnet.edu.au successfully. Yes it will. I think there is a document that spells out the procedures and rules about this in aunic. There is no document describing such a process because the process you describe is wrong. DNS is basically just a big map NAME - IP ADDRESS The name bit is kind of divided up into a tree. When you register a domain name you get the right to add any mappings underneath your domain. E.g: I have registered benno.id.au, so I can create any mappings *.benno.id.au - ip address. No one can stop me doing that! I can point any name to any ip address I want! They can exist, not exist, whatever! Now there is also a reverse mapping ip address - name I can't just go and put anything in there. But guess what, for resolving a name, there doesn't need to be a reverse mapping! Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer)
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 16:19:47 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Ben Leslie wrote: On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 15:59:45 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Ben Leslie wrote: On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 15:17:47 +1100, O Plameras wrote: It's the reverse DNS that the owner of the IP address space controls. So, what happens when you do, www.example.aarnet.edu.au A IN 203.7.132.1 in your live DNS, The name www.example.aarnet.edu.au will resolve to 203.7.132.1 It will resolve ONLY within aarnet.edu.au but NOT the INTERNET. Incorrect. The authority to associate NAME to ip address has to be propagated up to the ROOT servers. You mean to say that AARNET can do this without the express approval from the owners of 203.7.132.1 ? NO, aarnet.edu.au cannot, otherwise it is against the rules and perhaps against the law. Incorrect. For example I have just registered: dns-is-hard.benno.id.au = 203.7.132.1 I did not need express approval from the owners of 203.7.132.1 because that is not how the INTERNET works. Nothing in the internet architecture stops be associating any name (under the domain I own) to any ip address I like. Just to prove a point: slug.benno.id.au = slug website You can even point names to ip addresses not on the INTERNET! Even the the name resolved on the INTERNET! hackme.benno.id.au = 127.0.0.1 The authority to associate NAME with IP is entirely on the NAME side not the IP side. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Elementary DNS theory (Was: Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer))
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 16:52:21 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Peter Hardy wrote: O Plameras wrote: The authority to associate NAME to ip address has to be propagated up to the ROOT servers. You mean to say that AARNET can do this without the express approval from the owners of 203.7.132.1 ? NO, aarnet.edu.au cannot, otherwise it is against the rules and perhaps against the law. The rest of my responses is implied by the above. I'd strongly suggest you get hold of a good book on DNS, and find out how it works before trying to explain it to anybody else. I found the introductory chapters of DNS and BIND ( http://safari.oreilly.com/0596100574 ) to be most illuminating. I have first, second, and third editions. I have the third edition in front of me. The book covers the technical process. Unfortunately, it does not cover the bureaucratic processes. The processes not covered by the book is the one that I am revealing to you. For example, technically aarnet.edu.au can propagate up to the ROOT Servers. Technically aarnet.edu.au doesn't need to propagate anything up to the ROOT servers. That is not the way DNS works, rather the client contacts the ROOT servers and then goes down from there (ignoring any caching). So really, aarnet.edu.au doesn't need to propagate anything at all. B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Elementary DNS theory (Was: Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer))
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 17:08:37 +1100, O Plameras wrote: So really, aarnet.edu.au doesn't need to propagate anything at all. Do you mean once aarnet.edu.au enters www.example.aarnet.edu.au IN A 203.7.132.1 it will be propagated ? This is wrong. aarnet.edu.au is only a branch in the DNS trees. What does aarnet.edu.au has to do to propagate ? If you can answer this last question correctly then we can proceed with the discussion. There is nothing to propagate! No propagation occurs. Ixnay on the opagationpray. I give up. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Elementary DNS theory (Was: Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer))
On Thu Dec 07, 2006 at 18:04:03 +1100, O Plameras wrote: Penedo wrote: On 07/12/06, O Plameras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because you don't understand that to be authoritative it involves technical as well as bureaucratice processes. You only know the technical aspect of it. The technical aspect of the job is the easiest. Please tell me the bureaucratic process. A link to some site explaining it. People set up nameservers and names all the time, it must be published somewhere. Please enlighten us! If everybody can be authoritative by doing what J Waugh had done there will be chaos on the internet. CHAOS ON THE INTERNET! SNAKES ON A PLANE ! But seriously, the internet is like this, and it seems to work reasonably well. The whole point: perkypants.org is not authoritative for plammered.perkypants.org. I know how he does this. Yes it is that is the whole point. The nameserver that is associated with perkypants.org is authoritative for plammered.perkypants.org Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_name_system) explains this quite well. Ok, lets just turn this all around, if Jeff's nameserver is *not* authoritative for plammered.perkypants.org please tell me which server is. But fortunately, perkypants.org cannot make a commercial proposition out of these activities. If perkypants.org makes money by using someone else public ip address without authority this is stealing. I'm not sure where money came into this. How / why would Jeff be making a commercial proposition out of these activities? Again, just because you can, you do. Just as because you can hack someones Server you do. I don't. You might. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: Why DHCP ? (WAS: Re: [SLUG] My father wants an inexpensive computer)
On Wed Dec 06, 2006 at 11:59:42 +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=O Plameras For a long time, I had wanted to ask: why use DHCP in home networks when one can use STATIC ip (using private network ip addresses)? Just curious to know, why. Because DHCP makes your network just work and doesn't inflict the need to understand IP addresses and subnets on unsuspecting users. Hooray for little home network routers that do all of this out of the box. No mucking around. And also when moving between networks with a laptop it makes life much easier to just have everywhere use dhcp. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
Re: [SLUG] Visual traceroute ?
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Bruce Badger wrote: On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 20:52, Nick C wrote: Evening, Anyone got any ideas about a visual version of traceroute (tktraceroute, traceroute-nanog)? How about xtraceroute? It uses data from LOC records to show where hosts are on a 3D globe. Nice. It's a Debian package. I don't know about RPMs. apt-get install xt Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG AGM: Nominations update
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Mary Gardiner wrote: REMINDER: If you can't attend the AGM and you're going to appoint a proxy to vote for you, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] and tell them your name and the name of the person proxying for you. REQUEST: Can people please use their full name when nominating others? I'd like to nominate Peter Hardy for president. Regards, Ben Leslie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Silly shell challenge
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, Steve Kowalik wrote:
At 10:52 am, Wednesday, March 19 2003, Jeff Waugh mumbled:
Because whoever has the most bogomips at the end, wins.
Okay, I'll bite.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ awk '/bogomips/ { SUM+=$3 } END {print SUM}' /proc/cpuinfo
7982.27
What do I win? A good kick in the pants?
fwiw, that script (and i guess none of the others) work on my Linux (2.5.59):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ awk '/bogomips/ { SUM+=$3 } END {print SUM}' /proc/cpuinfo
However,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ awk '/BogoMIPS/ { SUM+=$3 } END {print SUM}' /proc/cpuinfo
3189.74
I'm not sure if there is a case insensitive search in awk.
(And while I don't win the BogoMIPS, how about:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ grep MemTotal /proc/meminfo
MemTotal: 16583232 kB
)
Benno
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Re: [SLUG] SLUG Quiz
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Tony Green wrote: All, To add to the joyous festivities of the AGM at the next SLUG meeting, we are holding a quiz! More details will be released in the next few days, but we thought it would be good to get some list participation. I'm looking for some questions which we can put to the teams. Anything geeky/nerdy will be fine, doesn't have to be linux related but try to keep it around things you think SLUG members MAY know. Email any you may have to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So are people in the quiz prohibited from proposing questions? Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Emacs mail
On Mon, 03 Mar 2003, Alan L Tyree wrote: What do emacs users use for mail other than Rmail. I find that I am spending more and more time in emacs. VM? MH? any other? Mutt. Or is there good reason not to use emacs for mail? None, other than all the emacs email clients I've tried sucked :) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Creating hard Links to directories]
On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Crossfire wrote: Patrick Lesslie was once rumoured to have said: unstable provides coreutils 4.5.7-1, in which it must have been fixed. Perhaps it's out of the manpage until they have finished implementing it ;-) If you must hardlink, you can use emacs hexel-mode, or other hex editor - that way you only have yourself to blame when you break things severely. Wouldn't that require manually writing to the directory file? I thought sane Unices stopped you from doing this years ago. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Debian apt install question
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, How can you get apt-get to install a Debian package that is not in the apt database that was download form the web ? Like what you can do with rpm. dpkg -i file.deb B -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Avoiding debian dependancies
Hi all, I just tried to apt-get install slapd (OpenLDAP server) on a debian production server. Debian then wants to install an xfree86-common, which I obviously don't want on a server. (slapd depends on libiodbc2 depends on xlibs. xfree86-common). Now, I know the way I'll be using slapd doesn't *really* depend on libiodbc2. Is there a simple way to tell apt-get this? (I guess I could get the source and change the dependencies manually but that sounds really icky.) Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Avoiding debian dependancies
On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Matt Hope wrote: On Mon, 24 Feb 2003, Ben Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... I just tried to apt-get install slapd (OpenLDAP server) on a debian production server. Debian then wants to install an xfree86-common, which I obviously don't want on a server. (slapd depends on libiodbc2 depends on xlibs. xfree86-common). Now, I know the way I'll be using slapd doesn't *really* depend on libiodbc2. Is there a simple way to tell apt-get this? (I guess I could get the source and change the dependencies manually but that sounds really icky.) You could use `equivs' to create install fake xfree86-common and/or xlibs packages, for the sole purposes of forfilling dependancies. And how can I install equivs w/o install binutils, perl and other development tools :) Or can I run equivs on another machine to create the fake .debs ? Cheers, Ben -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Terminal based editor with syntax hilighting
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Alex Sayle wrote: On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Ben Leslie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Alex Sayle wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Matthew Hyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... Folks, I am looking for a non-X unix editor that also does syntax hilighting. I know I could use emacs, however I would prefer something like pico - but with code hilighting (and if it does PHP - even better. Does anyone know of such an app ? Matt nano[1], the simple and easy to use editor now has syntax hi-lighting. it's not the most high-tech terminal editor around but its simple and there's no need to sacrifice any sheep before using in (unlike emacs or vi which you need to be on asid before you understand how to use it). I thought the point of nano was that it was *small* (hence the name). Why do they have to go and ruin it with crap like syntax hi-lighting! sigh humm.. let me see... 3.8M/usr/bin/emacs (emacs21.2) 1.1M/usr/bin/vim 308k/usr/bin/nvi 199k/usr/bin/pico 95K /usr/bin/nano I mean, sure, it not as good as 42k /bin/ed which is a *real* editor. ae, my fave tiny editor, is only 23k and is much easier to use than ed :). I find it handy for things likes editors for my e-mails or editing small conf files, as I don't like the wait for emacs to load in order to edit one line and I couldn't be ass-ed remembering vi commands. (not to mention the sacrificial sheep ritual) So an editor that is simple does the job and high lights my conf files is handy. I agree, I just don't need syntax hilighting or multiple buffers in those cases. :) Getting the latest nano, from above website the difference between and compiling with --enable-all results in an 87k binary. With --enable-tiny you get a 43k binary. (Stripped binaries of course). I guess doubling the size for hilighting isn't too bad :) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Terminal based editor with syntax hilighting
On Sat, 15 Feb 2003, Alex Sayle wrote: On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, Matthew Hyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... Folks, I am looking for a non-X unix editor that also does syntax hilighting. I know I could use emacs, however I would prefer something like pico - but with code hilighting (and if it does PHP - even better. Does anyone know of such an app ? Matt nano[1], the simple and easy to use editor now has syntax hi-lighting. it's not the most high-tech terminal editor around but its simple and there's no need to sacrifice any sheep before using in (unlike emacs or vi which you need to be on asid before you understand how to use it). I thought the point of nano was that it was *small* (hence the name). Why do they have to go and ruin it with crap like syntax hi-lighting! sigh Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] what can you do on 8mb that isn't a firewall
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Michael Lake wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=James Gregory My question is: what stuff (clicky stuff) can I install and have run reasonably in 8mb. Ideally I'd like to have a simple word processor, spreadsheet etc. And what window manager do you run on 8mb? I'm currently thinking window maker. Is there a better choice? If you want to actually run something on the machine, I'd recommend lwm as the window manager, and then you can buy a book on LaTeX, because clicky- clicky won't be very satisfying/productive in 8MB. I'd agree with Jeff. Run LaTeX with xdvi and it will be responsive and fast in 8 Meg. I'd suggest fvwm or fvwm2 or fvwm95 as its easy to configure menus with and its fast. I was going to avoid saying, but since this has turned into a window manager plugfest, ratpoison (http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/) is a very lightweight wm that should work spiffingly well on an 8mb machine. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Postfix defer_transports
Hi all, I'm hoping someone can help me out with a small postfix problem. Currently I have postfix setup to deliver mail to users home directories, which are on an NFS mounted directory. This works fine. I'm upgrading the NFS server, which will require taking the NFS mount offline for a while and copying the data over to a new disk. During this time I, obviously, want to avoid losing email. So I would ideally like postfix to recieve emails, store it in a queue in /var/spool, and then deliver it when I bring the new NFS server online. Would I be correct in guessing that: defer_transports = local would do what I want? It seems right to me, but just seems way too easy, so I think I might be missing something. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Two subnets can't ping each other
Got a weird problem setting up a 192.168.0. network next to a 192.168.1. network. From 192.168.1.8 I can ping 192.168.0.1 but cannot ping 192.168.0.10 tcpdump shows the packets hitting 192.168.0.1 but it then does not route it on to the 192.168.0.10 NT machine. From 192.168.0.1 I can ping 192.168.0.10 This is 192.168.0.1's routing table.. Kernel IP routing table Destination GatewayGenmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.1.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo default 192.168.1.8 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth1 This is 192.168.1.8's Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface 192.168.1.0 *255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth2 192.168.0.0 192.168.1.9 255.255.255.0 UG0 0 0 eth2 127.0.0.0 *255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo default 210.9.14.97 0.0.0.0 UG0 0 0 eth1 Am I missing something obvious? Is IP forwarding enabled? (cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] LaTeX slides
I have to put together a presentation and I would like to use a LaTeX based solution. I have had a look at Michael Wiedmann's page that lists a lot of solutions: http://www.miwie.org/presentations/presentations.html Has anybody had any experiences, good or bad, with any particular solution? Other people at this thing will be using Powerpoint, so I would like to look as good as they do. chaksem. All good. http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~chak/presentation/presentation.html Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Microsoft loses showdown in Houston(OT)
On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the story has been removed This is a must read. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/usatoday/20030122/tc_ usatoday/4798893 Umm, works for me. (Note, URL is spread over two lines.) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Weather leeching
On Mon, 30 Dec 2002, Kevin Saenz wrote: Hi all, just wondering if anyone has done any weather or news leaching using php from news.com.au :) www.bom.gov.au is probably a better source for weather info. And they are pretty light on the HTMl so it should be easier for you to parse. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] EMACS Question
On Mon, 16 Dec 2002, Erich Schulz wrote: Does anybody know the command to bring up an auxilliary window, which you can use to navigate the code you are writing. I used this a while ago when I was doing some python and c programming. The window lists all of the functions in your code and if you click on the function in the aux window, the cursor jumps to the function definition in the main editing window. M-x speedbar Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Disk tapper on Woody
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Bruce Badger wrote: I'm running a Woody system (installed from the SLUG/Debian CD, needless to say :-) ), and there is something going on that is causing the disk to be constantly accessed. It's like a constant tapping sound as the disk is being hit. How can I find out what process is accessing the disk? Is there a cool monitor out there that I can use to find out? lsof will list which files are currently open, and which process is using them. (Handy when you are trying to unmount partitions.) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Terminal programs
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002, Alan L Tyree wrote: What do people use other than minicom as a terminal program. I'm on RH8 if it matters. Seyon. Unfortunately it also sucks. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] HTML indenter/validator recommendations
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002, Simon Wong wrote: On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 17:25, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 04:58:09PM +1100, Simon Wong wrote: I have been using HTML tidy from W3C but the Debian package is way out of date. You could compile from source .. it's a doddle. Yeah but I'm interested in what people are using etc... Well I use http://validator.w3.org/. And I use php (not through choice find you :), to put a link on the bottom of each of my webpages, so that to check it I can check the results visually and then easily click the validate link. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] System monitoring
On Tue, 03 Dec 2002, Mick wrote: Hi All, I have found a program called Etheral(?) which seems to monitor traffic, is there any other way to know what process, software, etc are active / transmitting data while I'm surfing the internet? Ethereal will give you a *lot* of information, but maybe not that useful unless you are hacking protocols. Just seems as though my internet has slowed ... don't know what if any spyware there is for linux. netstat will display a list of open sockets which is probably more what you are after. Benno. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] What deb package do I require for true type fonts inmagicpoint ?
On Fri, 29 Nov 2002, Tony Green wrote: On Fri, 2002-11-29 at 14:37, Simon Wong wrote: On Thu, 2002-11-28 at 09:50, Michael Lake wrote: Thats right - you can see it in their slides on their web site at http://playground.iijlab.net/material/kazu-kame-presen/ Can anyone tell me what was used to generate the web pages for that presentation? Looks useful... http://playground.iijlab.net/material/kazu-kame-presen/mgp1.html MagicPoint (as seen by the logo) is the software which does the presentation. Its a great program and very easy to use. http://www.mew.org/mgp/ for more details. Perhaps we should do a magicpoint talk at SLUG... IIRC, one has been done in the past, however there is no reason not to repeat, I'm sure its improved a bunch in the interim. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Dpkg spinning
Hi all I'm hoping somone can help me with a little Debian problem. The problem is that when I try to install packages (either through apt-get or using dpkg directly), dpkg seems to take a *long* time at the Unpacking stage. (Long == many minutes). When I do a top it shows that the dpkg process is almost always in the Sleeping state, although it does seems to make _some_ progress. My best guess is that it is constantly waiting for some type of I/O. Other IO operations (unpacking a tarball for example), seem to work fine. My only other guess is that it is waiting from some lock. It doesn't look like dpkg has a verbose mode, and I don't really want to debug the dpkg source to find out what is going on, so if any one has seen thise before, or has any idea what the problem might be I'd really appreciate it. Versions: Debian - sid (although i was having similar problem on a stable box) Dpkg - 1.9.21 Linux - 2.2.20-idepci (from the bootdisk) H/W: Athlon 1900, 512MB ram, 40GB ide hdd. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] One Request, please!
On Mon, 03 Dec 2001, Scott Howard wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2001 at 02:30:34PM +1100, Rebecca Richards wrote: I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using broken mailers like Outlook. I'm getting even sicker of those who send emails out with both a plain text, and HTML version. If the plain-text message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was. It also increased the number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the mime-encoding lines... Welcome to the 21st century. If your email client doesn't support MIME multipart messages then it's time to catch up with the rest of the planet. You wouldn't complain about the slug homepage using tables or javascript(*) which dont work on your Netscape 0.9 browser, would you? (* and ugly java script at that - I can't believe I actually wrote it that way :) Actually, I would. HTML was designed to be backwards compatible. You should still be able to get something reasonably rendered. (Use alt tags people!). Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] One Request, please!
On Mon, 03 Dec 2001, Rebecca Richards wrote: Guys, html head body soapbox asbestos_suit=on I'm getting rather sick of idiots posting to a _Linux_ mailing list using broken mailers like Outlook. I'm getting even sicker of those who send emails out with both a plain text, and HTML version. If the plain-text message wasn't bad enough, the HTML version sure was. It also increased the number of lines I've had to scroll through * 3 + some for headers and HTML fluffiness + some for the MIME-encoding lines + some for html-encoding the mime-encoding lines... Whilst I generally agree. I would definately preffered the MIME encoded version, which follows specs properly and any reasonable email client should read . I mean any spec compliant mailer should just show you the version most appropriate. (Of course, the bandwidth and others are of a concern and rather pointless and all. But hell at least it is following the spec and is readable.) Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT: University
On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Rich Buggy wrote: Hi Matt, Currently i'm looking at UTS, Sydney and UNSW but am wondering how these differ from universities such as Macquarie and UWS and why these may be discouraged ? I wouldn't discourage anyone going to club mac (aka Macquarie). I have a degree from there and had a great time getting it. The one advantage that Macquarie has over the rest is the flexible program. My understanding with your 3 preferred universities is that you have to do a fixed program. You might get a choice like chemistry or physics but that's it. At Macquarie you have to get a major at 3rd year and meet the requirements of your degree but you choose the courses you do. This allows you to do stuff like languages, music, psychology, ... as part of your degree. It also means you can do the computing subjects that interest you to complete the major. Comp Sci at UNSW also allows you this flexibility. I don't know if UTS still makes you do a years work experience as part of the their degree but that always turns me off them (personal preference - please don't flame). I had a friend their who's (non-computing) degree was delayed by 12 months because he couldn't get relative work experience. I don't like the idea either, but it is one of the reasons UTS has such a high job placement ratio. PS: The name club mac comes from the number of holidays we appeared to get. I suspect this had a lot to do with a smaller exam period because of lower student numbers. Actually, it is because your semesters are only 12 weeks not 14 weeks. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] A PostScript file and a Printer.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001, Bill Bennett wrote: Dear Anyone, Another, alright a recurrent problem with interfacing Microsoft and Linux. The Department has a colour printer, a HP 5. This is connected to a PC running Windows. The PC is the only contact with the printer. I have a PostScript file on a floppy. Assuming you have access to a linux machine with ghostscript installed you want todo something like this: gs -sDEVICE=lj5mono -q -sOutputFile=somefile mcopy somefile a: Now problem is that somefile could be very large (im pretty sure pcl format is rather more verbose than postcript). If you only have access to the windows machine then try and download the ghostscript windows distribution and go from there. hth, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] CVS log
Hi all, I would like to have some program that will extract cvs log messages betwen two dates (or really just for the last week). The cvs log command appears as though it should do what I want but the combination I have tried ersult in either all the messages being shown, none of the messages being shown, or all except this weeks messages being shown. If anyone has done this before and can help me grok the syntax I'd appreciate it. Cheers, Benno (all posts saying use subversion will be filed in /dev/null :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Can't enter a directory after unzipping it
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001, Simon Wong wrote: I have downloaded the source code for Java Cookbook from O'Reilly (fabulous book!) but am having strange things happen when I UNZIP the source. After unzipping two directories are created in the current directory one called META-INF and the javacook. When I 'ls -la' it says that I am the owner and that the group is correct. Also the permissions are set OK... lonewolf: /usr/local/java/books $ lsa total 1528 4 drwxr-sr-x4 sjw staff4096 Oct 24 23:23 . 4 drwxr-sr-x4 sjw staff4096 Oct 24 22:57 .. 4 drw-r--r--2 sjw staff4096 Oct 13 19:22 META-INF 4 drw-r--r-- 43 sjw staff4096 Oct 13 19:21 javacook 1512 -rw-rw-r--1 sjw staff 1542109 Oct 24 23:14 javacooksrc.zip But when I try and cd into either of the directories I get an error: You need execute permission bit set to be able to change into a directory. chmod u+x javacook Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Answer + Disappointment
On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Stephen Robert Norris wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2001 at 11:53:04AM +1000, DaZZa wrote: On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Rick Moen wrote: Only those who have cheap junk modems, or who don't know how to set them up properly. Well, look, folks, I hate to have to spell it out for you guys, but... Please, spell. I'm anxious to see how good your english is. Have you ever looked, raw, at a binary file, e.g. cat'ed it to screen by accident? That sort of stuff is, of course, what comes whizzing past your modem every time you, for example, transfer a binary file over a telephone line. You will note that you can find just about any pattern you please of characters in there, if you scroll far enough -- rather like looking for patterns in clouds, except with less healthy exposure to the outdoors. There's a couple of things wrong with this assumption. 1) The chance of a combination of binary code coming out in the exact format of +++ath0 is literally staggering. Winning lotto, by comparison, would be an every day event. Yes, 1 in 72057594037927936. or more nicely 2 ^ 56. Which means in every 16.7 million 4 gig chunks of data you download you will see 1 of these. Which you might get away with on a cable modem it would take around 39846.04579829 (assuming I got my maths right)[1] years to encounter that string randomly. Benno. [1] (2.0 ** 56) / (56 * 1024) / 60 / 60 / 24/ 365 39846.04579829 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] NZ proposes GST on downloaded software.[ Here next ?]
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 04:02:03PM +0930, Richard Sharpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jobst Schmalenbach wrote: On Thu, Jun 28, 2001 at 12:53:38AM +1000, Adam F. Bogacki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: The NZ government Government is proposing to charge GST on software downloaded over the internet, possibly threatening the open-source model of software distribution. This is actually in FAVOUR of linux. If companies have to pay more for software (add 10% to the purchase) they'll start thinking and move to a more viable option(s). ... and $0 + 10%gst = $0 Ummm, I don't think you understand how GST works. At least here in Oz, companies get to deduct the GST they have paid from the GST remittance they make to the government. I dont, thats why I have accountants! But I actually asked two of them what happens when I buy software from USA (now and future, if we need to pay 10%). Software (currently) is not taxed if you **download** it. If it gets via customs, add 10%. In the future (if this law will get through) downloads will be taxed with 10%, too! (BTW governments would be silly not to take this revenue, thinking that MOST of software will be via internet anyway!!) And yes you get *SOME* of it back. You will not get all of it back or there wouldnt be any point of the 10% GST anyway, wouldnt it No you get all of it back, the GST is a *consumer* tax. Anything you buy for business will eventually be passed on to your customers (assuming you want to operate at a profit), if the government charges tax at both points it is double dipping. (Incidently Hanson proposed a tax that did operate like this although the rate was only 2% not 10%). Anyway by now we are hopelessly off topic and it doesn't really matter since even if you aren't paying gst on the software you are still paying for the software anyway. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Fat fingers and Notebooks
On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Mehmet Ozdemir wrote: Hi All, Does anyone know how to disable the capslock key in linux, so that capslock with only work when say you use ctrl caps lock, I'm sick of hitting capslock ACCIDENTILLY AND typing upper CASE BY MISTAKE :) Mmm I can do one better, change capslock into control : Put the following lines into .xmodmaprc ! ! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L ! remove Lock = Caps_Lock remove Control = Control_L keysym Control_L = Control_L keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L And then run xmodmap in your .xsession Of course this only works in X, and I could have left out some of the flags needed for xmodmap. Changing the config to just disable CapsLock is left as an exercise for the user. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache serving .doc files
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Artur Hefczyc wrote: I am trying to get my Linux based apache web server to serve some .DOC MS Word files. However I am having the following problems. 1. When I click on the link, the file starts downloading as (garbled) text into the netscape window. 2. If I shift-select the link, I can download the file but then WORD cannot read it. I've checked the file in Apache's directory and it is fine - I can ftp or scp it and read it just fine, just not when I try to fetch it from a link on a webpage. I have the following link set up in my webpage: A HREF=forms/fax_template.docFAX Coversheet/A (Word)BR Anyone got any ideas - have a got Apache configured wrongly. You should set mime-type for such documents. More specifically you m,ight want to look at /etc/mime.types and see if you have: application/msword doc (or similar). Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Job advertisement
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Heracles wrote: DaZZa wrote: snip Why? Why should I be forced to get RSI from rolling a mouse, invest more and more into video cards to keep up with the growing trend to drop support for older stuff, bloat my OS with a GUI I barely ever use just to make convention more pleasant for people who are too lazy or too stupid to recognise a command line when they see it? Some say coming down out of the trees was a big mistake. And there are those who say we should never have come out of the sea in the first place Happy swimming Dazza I think that this is probably a little bit harsh. Command line interface provides a very powerful interface. I don't think you should confuse ease of use with overall power provide. It is a lot quiker for me to hit a few keys than move my mouse all over the place. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Executing an Executable
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Debian User Adam Bogacki,,, wrote: Hi, I copied Wordperfect 9 into /usr but when I try to execute in /usr it I get the message no such file. What command are you trying to execure is with? Are you sure you want it in /usr and not /usr/bin ? What is your path (echo $PATH)? I am guessing that the file isn't in your path, although that usually give error like command not found not no such file. So it could be it is starting and then giving an error on startup. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Instructor - what about jobs wanted?
On Thu, 31 May 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a young programmer looking for work and I welcome genuine job postings. I am very clueful indeed, but clueful in programming and not anything else. I didn't know about the jobs on linux.org.au until today. I am not stupid by any stretch of the imagination, however I have no idea where to look for a Linux job other than on this list (and today as I found out, on linux.org.au). Not meaning to be rude but saying you dont know where to look could be quite easily fixed by: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+jobs+australia Either way I would prefer jobs listing stayed off the list. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Instructor
On Thu, 31 May 2001, Mike Lake wrote: On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 03:41:23PM +1000, Del wrote: Linux Australia (http://www.linux.org.au/) have a recruitment database which is suitable for this purpose. I've seen that, but it's rather out of the mind's eye. If someone needs a Linux person in a hurry then I can't see what's wrong with a post here. . Can we perhaps restrict the format ... perhaps make the poster put the ad onto linux.org.au and then just post a 2 liner with the URL here? That would be an excellent idea and a possible compromise. I have placed an ad myself on Linux Aust last year but at the time also mentioned on this list that I was looking for a programmer (and a got a really good SLUG one too). Thats why I would not like to see ads totally banned. They have a place. snip There are prob many young programmers here that may get their first nibble at some commercial work and get experience by seeing an ad here. So I would support a 2 liner pointing to a URL at Linux Aust or some other place. I think that any young programmer looking for their first nibble at commercial work would be clueful enough to subscribe themselves to lists more appropriate for finding these jobs. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Studying Programming
On Mon, 14 May 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Nick Croft said: What I've missed out on learning C and gtk+ at home is how to pronounce = and == (in my head while reading code). = pronounced equals or assignment equals == pronounced equalsequals or is equal to The great thing about the english language is that you can usually work it out from the context :). Although I do like the equals for = and equals equals for ==. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Studying Programming
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Secret Squirrel wrote: Hello, What does everyone here think of getting professional training in programming (and programming in general) vs self study ? I would definately recommend a degree course. Comp Sci at any big uni should do pretty well. Of course that is 3 or 4 years worth of study. I'm considering taking a 40h course or similar to learn how to program the right way and get help in the mean time. I really don't think you can learn how to program the right way in 40 hours. Of course there is a whole range of discussion about what exactly the righ way is :) (Which is why I prefer uni to skills courses, at uni you actually think about what is the right way) Who might offer such services ? I'm having difficulty finding companies that offer this, i've tried Spherion for example - there programming courses are pathetic. I personally wouldn't waste my money on there programming courses, I think books are great study/learning resources, not those dodgy Teach yourself language X in (24 hours | 21 days). I mean really good books :). Stoustrop for C++, Kernigan and Richie for C, Design Patterns for OOP, Knuth for algorithms, Mythical Man Month by Brooks for Soft Eng. Most of the O Rielly series are pretty good imho. Hope that helps, Benno (And yes most of the views here are generalised and I'm sure there will be plenty of Uni is a waste of time ppl out there too, I guess it is down to how you learn, personally I have learnt a hell of a lot at uni (andyou get to drink a lot of beer too :)) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] IMAP Question
On Fri, 11 May 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Andy Eager Given imap's apparent lack of configuration (for anything), how does it know which directory to get my mail from [ //var/spool/mail//user]. I'm assuming you're using 'imapd', which is the horrible, disgusting, evil creation that makes a mockery of mail users and admins everywhere... right? Yeah it sucks hard. That's where it gets its mail from, full stop. It's the Way. Is this one of those programs that needs to be configured in the source code ? Kinda. Just say no. Use Courier IMAP instead, and leave mbox and imapd behind. Remember, Cookie the Kookaburra says: IT'S OKAY TO SAY NO. imapd *is* configurable, and yes you do need to hack the source code and its not too hard. (well until you forget you have hacked the source code and apt-get a new version over the top and everyones mail stops working). The point is yes you can configure it, the source code has docs on how to do this the configuration file is easy enough to hack, BUT, imapd sucks so hard that you really, really, really don't want to bother, the only reason to use it is because you need mbox format for some strange reason. Benno-uses-and-hates-uwimapd -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Laptop screens
On Thu, 03 May 2001, Secret Squirrel wrote: Little off topic ! :( Could someone please explain the difference in laptop screens ? XVGA UXGA TFT etc etc, What's good and what totally sucks ? (i've seen some poor looking screens on budget Gateway 2000s, are these TFTs ? afaik XVGA and UXGA are basically just going to tell you what res the screen can run at. I long stopped trying to keep up with acronyms and just looked at what it actually says the res and colour properties are. TFT is the technology used to make the screen. TFT is generally active compared to the other type with is usually refered to as passive. You really really really want and active screen. ersonally I wouldn't buy a laptop on spec, I would want to use it first, mainly you need to consider other things such as size and weight, how easy the keyboard is to use, how damn hot the thing runs etc. The specs aren't really don't compare to actually using it. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Next IntallFest ?
On Thu, 03 May 2001, Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who=Adam F. Bogacki (1) when is the next InstallFest due ? I rather liked the Macquarie Uni location - fairly central and easy to get to by car with plenty of parking space on a Saturday. We hadn't planned one thus far, but I'm sure we can cook something up. :) I wonder if this is in the scope of the UNSW CompSoc Linuxfest? [ I've Cc'ed this to Jaime too. ] Probably not, but it might be in the scope of the UNSW CompSoc InstallFest :) Which afaik is happening this weekend. I don't know what the status is for people outside uni though. Your best bet would be to email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask them. Cheers, Benno ex-compsoc-now-nothing-todo-with-them-except-when-I-get-conned-into-helping-with-installfests :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] language jihad
On Wed, 02 May 2001, Jamie Wilkinson wrote: This one time, at band camp, getadog said: I you're going the python route, then go the full monty: www.zope.org. To list a few good points of zope, revision control, it will allow multiple people to work on the site at once. It will allow you to undo mistakes. cvs allows multiple people to work on the site, provides revision control. vims 'u' command allows you to undo mistakes. It does require a bit more cpu, but you can stick it behind a proxy to reduce the load, and it can cache dynamic pages for a length of time that you set. (no need to consult the database every hit when the database might only change a few times a day) To list a few bad points of Zope: It's huge, it requires a lot of machine resources, and having getting Zope to play nice with Apache is non-trivial (it likes to ignore the options its own documentation says to use to turn off listening to sockets). Add to the list difficult interface for programmers to work with. Difficult to learn. Crap performance. Non standard storage format. (ZODB) (And yes I have used Zope and I do get it - doesn't make it any less crap) Benno.mod_python.all.the.way -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] language jihad
On Wed, 02 May 2001, Anand Kumria wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:21:01AM +1000, Ben Leslie wrote: Let the flame war begin : I want comment on others I'll just give you my ideas about my favourite high level/scripting language. Python (www.python.org) is a nice object oriented language which I find quite good for most of my needs. I'll outline pros and cons below. Pros: [snip] Cons: Nothing like CPAN (yet) Doesn't have a large installed user base (such as perl) White space for syntax Doesn't have DBI (well it does, its just not well supported yet) Annoying licence changes which make 2.0+ less widely used. It matters to some. Yeah it is annoying, but then RMS/FSF are being a bit silly afaict. The reason for the license change seems to be putting in a cover their own arse clause in cause someone decides python ruined their life and decide to sue. Guido has tried to work out the problems with the license and each time he fixes the problem the fsf lawyers complain about they come up with something new. Guidos lawyers reckon the license is completly compabible with the GPL, fsf lawyers don't :( Guido talks more about it here: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/04/20/1455252mode=thread Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: language jihad
On Tue, 01 May 2001, Angus Lees wrote:
\begin{Ben Leslie}
Python (www.python.org) is a nice object oriented language which I find
quite good for most of my needs. I'll outline pros and cons below.
Cons:
no closures (proper anonymous functions) (yet)
I thknk that this is fixed in 2.1 where nested scopes are implemented.
http://www.amk.ca/python/2.1/index.html
Cheers,
Benno
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Re: [SLUG] language jihad
On Tue, 01 May 2001, David wrote: Noted with interest about the use of mason as a potential language for the development of the SLUG site... and I need to learn a language for web development and database (postgres? mysql?) similar to the SLUG requirements. PERL, PHP, mason? what the hell is mason? There have also been other languages mentioned that I've never heard of. I don't know any current language (I was a cobol programmer in the 70's). I remember someone on list being incredibly disparaging of PHP. A language jihad might guide me (and others?) which direction to take, and avoid false prophets. What are the serious strengths and weaknesses, and which are ridiculously difficult to learn. Do they relate to other languages or are they are a blind alley. Any other thoughts? If this list is the wrong place to pose this question, where would be better? Let the flame war begin : I want comment on others I'll just give you my ideas about my favourite high level/scripting language. Python (www.python.org) is a nice object oriented language which I find quite good for most of my needs. I'll outline pros and cons below. Pros: Cross platform - (unix, windows, macintosh, java(www.jython.org)) Object Oriented - (but not as strict as java) Quick to learn Easy to write 3 months after writing Active development team Can be extended embedded with C/C++ modules White space for syntax Database interfaces for postgresql (and probably mysql) mod_python for apache web development Cons: Nothing like CPAN (yet) Doesn't have a large installed user base (such as perl) White space for syntax Doesn't have DBI (well it does, its just not well supported yet) There is probably a lot I've missed :) Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OPEN SOURCE PHOTO EDITING
On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, dkwok wrote: Any Open Source Photo Editing and perhaps Web authoring software? You want the gimp for your photo editing. (If its just editing photos for the web the gimp is great, if its editing photos for print it might not do everything you want). For web authoring software I find emacs and html-mode great. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Buying VA Linux in .au
On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Jacques Chester wrote: Three things will kill it: 1) The cough strength of the Banana Republic Peseta Actually, I've looked into this myself. Recall that the items you buy locally (IBM, Compaq et al) were *also* manufactured overseas, and are *also* being jacked up by the weakened dollar. VA are competitive once you realise that the dollar does not chose according to whom you buy from - it slugs all in the field. Yeah sure but when dealing with local companies the weak dollar is going to be affecting the wholesale price, not the retail price so its not going to be *as* bad, but yeah it will still affect them too. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] irc client
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Nick Croft wrote: Sluggers, Can anyone recomment an irc client that can display several channels simultaneously? Nick Well if you are X inclined you can't go past XChat imho. And for terminal BitchX is always good. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] #include dissapointment
On Fri, 02 Jan 1998, brad payton wrote: this is gonna sound silly but here goes... haven a prob with running a.out.. I can compile O.K but when try and run it it ,red hat sez"bash: a.out: command not found" have tryed it in a diferent directorys other than /home ,no go! have tryed a.out under root still same error. using RedHat Re 5.2 kernel 2.0.36 Whats the story a.out is a executable is it not ? 1st program ever written in C ,stuff helo world.will change too "Good Bye Cruel World"My missus is easyer to understand than Linux! any how thanks ppl. You will probably need the chmod the file to be executable. $ chmod a+x a.out $ ./a.out Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] The things we do to low-end machines...
On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Ken Caldwell wrote: Jeff Waugh wrote: quote who="Andrew Reilly" Re lwm: I haven't used it, but sawfish doesn't have icons or button bars, or icon docks either. It does have root menus. I can't imagine why you'd want to live without them, and am not sure why you would necessarily want to run _another_ program to get them. Now you must read this: http://advogato.org/article/248.html Has anyone on the list tried aewm? It seems even smaller than lwm and claims to be ICCM compliant (whatever that ma mean). I am using lwm on this machine but it does not handle the drop down menus in WordPerfect correctly. Ken Since everyone seems to be pushing their favourite window manager at the moment I better put in a word for ratpoison. If you like screen(1) and hate mice (mouses?) then check out rat poison. Everything is controlled by key strokes which IMO is a good thing ;) http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net/ The other nice thing is that it is quick and is only 37k. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Printing problem on small home network
On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ken Caldwell wrote: I have a small home network of three computers. longwing (running SuSE 6.4), adler (running Debian-unstable) and superchook (running Debian 1.3.1). There is a printer on longwing and I can print from this machine ok. If I try to print from adler I get the following: ken@adler:~$ lpr packages.txt ken@adler:~$ lpq adler: waiting for queue to be enabled on longwing.myplace Rank Owner Job Files Total Size 1stken2packages.txt 36178 bytes longwing: /usr/sbin/lpd: raw: Your host does not have line printer access snip I think what you want to do is add "adler" to /etc/hosts.lpd. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] python version
I need to have python version 1.5.2 How do I tell what version I have? Is there a generic way of discovering versions? snip benno@benlaptop:~$ python Python 1.5.2 (#0, Apr 3 2000, 14:46:48) [GCC 2.95.2 2313 (Debian GNU/Linux)] on linux2 ^ Just start it up in interactive mode. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SQL
Hi Simon! On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Simon Bryan wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if it is possible to have an SQL server (of any kind) running on Linux (RH or Mandrake) that can interface with MS Access on an NT/W2K machine? If so what? I have looked at PostgreSQL and have it running - sort of - but my understanding is that for it to work I would need an ODBC driver for Access? That is correct, for any database you will need an ODBC driver. PostgreSQL has one of these. You can find more info at: ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/odbc/index.html Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Restricting ssh.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Rodos wrote: Is there a way to allow people to use scp to copy files over ssh but not to login in over ssh? I am using Debian if it matters. I found all the config options in man sshd but there is no mentio of the interworking of scp and sshd appart from the scp man page says " It uses ssh(1) for data transfer, and uses the same authentication and provides the same security as ssh(1)." Looks like I might be out of luck. Probably doesn't help but could you set their shell to /bin/true or something? (But I guess they need to login from elsewhere, maybe you can set their shell to /bin/true only if they log in from ssh?) Cheers, Benno-really-just-guessing-but-might-help -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] rcp/scp colon probs
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Sonam Chauhan wrote: Using *both* quotes and escaping make it work e.g.: scp sonamc@websvr2:"/nethome/sonamc/test\:2" /tmp will copy a file called "test:2" as does your example without quotes or escapes: scp sonamc@websvr2:/nethome/sonamc/test:2 /tmp The beauty of open source shines through. A fellow worker looked at the source code for the rcp parsing mechanism and found that as long as a "/" preceeds the ":", then the command thinks that ":" is part of a file name, and not a hostname delimiter. Sorry, this is one thing that I find kinda of wrong. Yes it is good you have the source code and have been able to find the answer, however you _shouldn't_ have to do this. This should be documented. Any closed source advocate would just laugh at this, "What you need to read the source to use the program, Microsoft just make sure it is correctly documented so you don't need to read the source" Open source is great but advocating being able to the source when the docs aren't good isn't really a big plus. Cheers, Benno (PS. If you have made and submitted a patch to the documenation, then I will take it all back and admit it is a good thing (tm) ;) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] rcp/scp colon probs
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Rick Welykochy wrote: On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Ben Leslie wrote: Open source is great but advocating being able to the source when the docs aren't good isn't really a big plus. How's this: 1. global peer review is only possible with open source 2. trusting a third parties documentation is very errant; viz. MS has known "hidden" APIs as well a deliberate misinformation about semi-public API's to mislead competitors trying to write decent software on the 'doze plaforms (see the WINE project for the grueling history of their project work as it relates to MS third-party doco) 3. programmers do *not* document properly, correctly or accurately 4. the only definitive reference to source code is the source code 5. if you cannot refer to the source code, refer to step (2) above, cross your fingers and hope what you are reading is accurate Hold on a sec! Open source is great for many reasons, being able to read to source to verify documenation is a good thing, however advocating open source with "When the docs are wrong you can read the source" comes across as "Open source docs are so bad you have to read the source, good luck if you don't know how to program in C". Which of course is bollocks, but that doesn't help if you are trying to convince someone about the wonders of open source. Cheers, Benno-not-intending-to-start-a-flame-war. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Network Security Fest
redirecting over ssh - probably the most secure. the encryption slows things down a bit. automatically running xauth on other machines tends to upset the really paranoid, so don't forward X unnecessarily. Wouldn't the compression options available in ssh make up any slow down? From totally non-scientific tests my connections seem to run faster using ssh with compression than telnet or rsh without. Though I could be totally wrong and just _thinking_ it is running faster because I have compression enabled. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Modem recommendation.
Hi Rodos! On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Rodos wrote: I need another (3rd) modem. A few people here are using the US Robotics Courier V Everything as they are so rock solid. I was going to get another one until I rang their tech support to ask a question. Seems that unless your modem is less than 3 months old you have to pay $25 to speak to a technician, if there is a fault with your modem they will refund it. Now I have had great support in the past. My power pack died and they sent me a new one for free, but this new policy just irks me. Anyone recommend another modem what works well with mgetty (ob linux)? I really want it to support a last call info dump ATI7 like the vEverthing does. Something with good tech support. Or should I just stick with the VEverything. Am I being weird being anoyed by such a support policy? They must get a lot of nutters with winmodems asking why they can't get 56k all the time. Um ... ponder ... 3Com US Robotics 56k Serial modem. Works well, used it for mgetty and faxgetty. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT - Cracking a password protected winzip file
On Thu, 05 Oct 2000, Richard Hayes wrote: Dear Sluggers, Someone password protected a Winzip file and I need to unzip it. Can anyone point me at any tools / faqs / info on how to crack it. http://www.google.com/search?q=crack+password+zip+file+linuxhl=enlr=safe=off The ninth one down looks good. Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Python, wow.
On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought people might like to know, I have just started developing under python, and it' unbelievably fast to develop in. If you haven't looked at it yet, it really is worth the effort. It is a fantastic prototyping language, and for most things, it's fast enough, but for my money, the best thing is the protability. I would really have to agere with you here. I have found python fantastic. If you want to try using python for web development you might want to check out mod_python (www.modpython.org). Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: XEmacs vs. Emacs (was Re: IDE for java / C etc)
On Fri, 22 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote:
On Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:17:35AM +1100, Jeff Waugh wrote:
Do GNU Emacs and XEmacs share any functionality at all? I know they're
different, and haven't been merged, but...
elisp scripts ("packages") either work directly, or are "ported"
reqularly. xemacs versions are said to be "synced up" with a certain
emacs release.
from a user's point of view, they're pretty much identical in
functionality, keybindings, etc.
Cool, that is what I thought.
(apparently it was jwz who led the initial xemacs fork, something i
didn't know..)
For the all details have a look at: http://www.jwz.org/doc/lemacs.html
one of the most useful ways to learn emacs is to follow the tutorial
(C-h t, as the splash screen says). once you get the hang of basic
cursor movement, etc - C-h m ("describe-mode") is your friend.
(there are conventions to the keybindings, so they actually make
sense. its much easier if some{one,thing} explains them to you fairly
early on.)
Thanks all for the info, I'll think I'll stick with GNU Emacs for the
moment (since I think I can do without the little image buttons, and I
already have evil things like jde install).
Cheers,
Benno
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Re: [SLUG] Debian
Not to brag, but to a certain degree i feel a line must be drawn. I think things can become *over* simplified and *over* centralized. If people want to point and click maybe free unixs arent the best solution for them. They might just have to live with NT (or whatever) for now. But this doesn't mean it's not worth trying to simplify setup. Imagine what if the phone service were like: "Before you can receive calls on your phone, you must set up a tone dial client. This is documented in /usr/doc/tonedial-2.3.6/INSTALL, go read it, eejit." Yes but your phone has really just one purpose, to place phone calls, (well except for fancy new phones, and most of them do require some form of documentation to use). A computer on the other hand is a far more advanced piece of technology which allows you to use it for many things. Simplifying is all well and good, until it begins to actually reduce the utility, which I think is the point of the previous comments. If you don't want toread howtos and such like there are plenty of options, pdas a pretty intuitive for what they do, there are firewalls and routers that you can buy as a peice of hardware that don't require the setup involved in setting up a linux box, there are print servers you can buy rather than set up a computer etc etc. The point is that people aim to do a wide variety of things with their computers and all require a different setup so this can only be simplified to a certain extent. /rave Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Re: Basic CVS Usage
On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Angus Lees wrote: snip which is going to be so very useful, when the next python license turns out to be incompatible with the GPL.. (see license for python 1.6) [insert anti- python / commercially sponsored competitions bigotry here] Not to start an off-topic flame war, but what specifically is wrong with license begin incompatible with the GPL? THere are many free licenses whic turn out to be incompatible with the GPL. You will find that the following licenses, although being "free", are also incompatabile with the GPL[1]: The license of Apache The LaTeX project public license The Mozilla Public License PHP4 License. (php3 was available under php3) It would seem that the Python group has been trying to make their license compatible[2]: "7.Is it compatible with the GNU Public License (GPL)? Legal counsel for both CNRI and BeOpen.com believe that it is fully compatible with the GPL. However, the Free Software Foundation attorney and Richard Stallman believe there may be one incompatibility, i.e., the CNRI License specifies a legal venue to interpret its License while the GPL is silent on the issue of jurisdiction. Resolution of this issue is being pursued. " I can't seem to find a reference for the other side of the story, but I would be glad to see one. The python license[3] is free, despite what appears to be a very minor, incompatibility problem with the GPL. If you don't want to use python due to the licensing issues then you should probably reconsider using apache, latex, mozilla and php4. If you don't want to use python for other reasons though, go right ahead. Cheers, Benno *puts on flame resistant suit* [1] http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html [2] http://www.python.org/1.6/license_faq.html [3] http://www.handle.net/python_licenses/python1.6_9-5-00.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] OT NT on train timetable screens vs indicator boards
$50 donation to the Open Source project of your choice in the name of the first person to post a genuine image of the new train indicators with a BSOD. My friend took this photo a couple of weeks ago, not quite a bsod but still it didn't work so same end result to the customer. http://bianca.marauder.tm/photos/img.php?img=photos06/dscn0386.jpg Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Small CD-R blanks
Hi Howard! On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Howard Lowndes wrote: Does anyone have a source of supply for the credit card sized/shaped CD-R blanks, pse? We had a bunch done earlier in the year (they're really cool). I'm not sure that you can get blank ones as such (not ones that go in a desktop cd writer). I think you need to get the properly mastered, which is not exactly cheap :( We got them done by a bunch called MediaTec. There website is/used to be: www.mediatec.com.au - but it is down at the moment, So try the google cache: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.mediatec.com.au/+australia+media+techhl=en Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] CVS Server problems
Hi all, I've just built a linux server to act solely as a CVS pserver. I have been able to successfully log in and import data, however when I try to check out a module I get the error: -f [server aborted]: Cannot check out files into the repository itself Has anyone seen this, and can shed some light on what's gone wrong? Thanks, Josh. Umm as a total guess I think you are probably trying to do a cvs checkout whilst in the cvs directory, so if you cvs repository is in /home/cvs you should probably go into /home/username and then do the checkout. Hope that helps. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] daylight saving
Can anyone confirm that current Linux distributions understand our about to happen daylight saving change? Danny. My Debian potato and debian woody boxes all made the change without a problem. The NT box and Win98 box that are also in the office didn't change :(. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: Linux Certification
i see this as being a good way to test the employer. if they insist on a redhat (or some other) certification, and ignore whatever other work you have done, they probably aren't a good place to work. i guess i was thinking that certification would give me some confidence going into an interview (ie. that bit of paper works for me as well as the employer)... but that just comes down to me not using my skills in the real world enough, something that would make me more knowledgable and all also provide references to back up my skills... ditto goes for demanding CV's in word .doc, etc, etc do you think they would actually not take your CV it was .txt ?? Definately not! Having just been in the position of advertising for a position (which was for a Linux job), I was amazed that out of the 13 replies, 11 sent word files, 1 sent a text file and 1 just sent a link to their web page which contained their CV. The people sending .doc files were definately at a disadvantage, however the format of their CV was not the determining factor in choosing who got the job. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Select and kill running process
Hi Terry! On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Terry Collins wrote: Hello Sluggers list process | grep desired-process | kill desired-process Can someone tell me the format of the last part? ps axf | grep process | kill -9 "process???" ps axf | grep netscape | sed s/^\ *// | cut -f1 -d" " | xargs kill -9 seems to work for me. kill takes the PID afaik, which is the first argument of ps axf. The pid is right justified so I strip the spaces off the front, and then use cut to get the first field (being the PID). This works, _BUT_ I'm sure there is another (probably better) way of doing it. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Printing HTML
Hi John! html2ps seems to work well. benno@lister:~$ wget http://www.cse.unsw.edu.au/~cs3121/lectures/core01/overview.html ; html2ps overview.html overview.ps; gv overview.ps seems to work on my box. Of course you can prolly use wget -r to hack together something and pipe it to mpage, lpr to do waht you want, but I am sure you have a better chance of doing that than me ;) Cheers, Benno On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, John Ferlito wrote: Interesting problem. I have a whole heap of HTML pages. They are from a Uni subject so each page looks like a slide. Now I want to convert these into postscript so I can automate the printing and also print them 4 to a page. So is there anything out there that will parse html and print it decently. The only thing I can think of right now is converting them all to .ps manually with netscape but that's not very automated :) -- John -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] WAP browser?
Hi Pigeon! On Tue, 25 Jul 2000, Pigeon wrote: Dear all, Is there any WAP browser for *nix? Text base, for X, whatever... Thanks. Probably not much help, but could be a lead. There is WAP browsers for palm and there is palm emulators for X so this might be the way to go. Also if you are developing WAP pages it might be better seeing them on the reduced interface given by the palm. The palm emulator you can find at palm.com and the WAP broswer I think i found at IBM somewhere. Cheers, Benno -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
