[SLUG] CleanUp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This is directed to the luggers in Sydney (you know who you are !!) The Boss (SWMBO) is making me spend the Australia Day Long Weekend cleaning out my study and binning lots of useful stuff *(useful to me - - she can't see the point in it !). I have a large carton of cables - network cables, modem cables, printer cables, scsi cables, IDE cables, serial cables, PS/2 cables, cables who's purpose I can only guess at If someone can make use of them (there are a few plugpacks, network cards, and other electronic goodies that I have collected), I'd rather see someone take the lot than have to toss them in the bin. Shoot me an email if you';re interested or know anyone who is and we can sort out how you can pick them up. Jon -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFFuVFehVY3yna1JloRArFAAKDfd0PkZxP39ujT8Z9X4ReXcdcawQCgy5fo O+yzeLu+4Fw3jbWJAv2fVTo= =Eewq -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ Subscription info and FAQs: http://slug.org.au/faq/mailinglists.html
[SLUG] RE: Grow up
Why don't you go to hell ? You are one gutless child... I *can* trace your phone call should I need to bother... And the Police HAVE been informed And lay off the mobile too, git.. Committee, this is the kind of childish prat you used to have on your committee... -= -Original Message- -= From: Tony Green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2003 12:54 PM -= To: Jon Biddell -= Subject: RE: Grow up -= -= -= On Thu, 2003-10-02 at 12:53, Jon Biddell wrote: -= Any more harassing phone calls like that and the Police will be -= informed... And you can pass that to thSLUG fuckwit who -= just called -= my mobile as well -= -= -= Hi, is that Jon... yes it is.Ah, Hi, just wanted -= to check, are you in the office today yes I am -= OK, thanks hang up -= -= Harassing? If you say so. Just need to back up the email -= I sent out. -= -= Don't worry, I have no intention of talking to you again. -= -= Have a nice life mate. -= -= TG -= -- -= Tony Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] The Current CRAP from SLUG
I've had it - I mean I have REALLY had it - the majority of you (and please note I say MAJORITY, not all) of you are probably reasonable human beings. There are, however, a few anally retentive morons subscribing to this list, and I'm not going to put up with the personal attacks and abuse from people who not only don't know me but who REFUSE to listen to any point of view not their own, and yes I'm refering to the SPAM debate. Let the committee run the list how they see fit - I am unsubscribing my main address immediately, and re-subscribing through an ISP that will provide the SPAM filtering that the SLUG committee cannot / willnot provide. I will no longer be taking much of an active role in this list - however that may please the purile and infantile amongst you. But I will still be reading, watching... Always watching To those friends I have made in SLUG (and yes, Jeff, there ARE some), you all know my private email address should you wish to contact me. I hope SLUG grows and doesn't vanish up its' own event horizon because of the ego-pandering actions of a few amateurs. QED. P.S. Gloat all you like - you haven't won, idiots... You haven't even caused me to raise a sweat...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Subscriptions....
You are incapable of listening to anything save your own voice - I didn't say you could stop spam 100%, twerp, I said you should take ALL REASONABLE STEPS TO PREVENT IT GETTING TO THE SLUG LIST. Don't bother - I'm unsubscribing myself (but who knows what other email address I may already be using - just for the conspiracy theorists amongst you). No wonder most companies won't touch Linux at the moment - with assholes like Mr Airlie and company as its' peoponents, it's almost enough to make me go back to Windows ! -= -Original Message- -= From: Dave Airlie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 3:55 PM -= To: Robert Collins -= Cc: Jon Biddell; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: RE: [SLUG] Subscriptions -= -= -= -= Okay can a paid member bring a motion to remove Jon from the list, -= -= The person/organization running the list has the duty to -= ensure that trolls/pests/dumbasses/people who know nothing -= about running a mailing list but think they do are removed -= and beaten with a large hammer... QED. -= -= You cannot stop SPAM 100%, if you have a way show us your -= magic, you'll become very rich and we'll bow down before -= your mastery, until then I'm requesting your removal from -= the list as you obviously don't want to be here... -= -= you have the logical reasoning of a four year old, and my -= response to your response is I know you are but what am -= I? as only seems befitting.. -= -= Dave. -= -= On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Robert Collins wrote: -= -= On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 14:42, Jon Biddell wrote: -= The person/organization running the list has the duty -= to ensure that -= spam doesn't get through... QED -= -= Oh, give it up. Thats the lynchpin of your entire tirade, -= and its not -= one you have made any solid case for. -= -= Begone troll. -= -= Rob -= -= -= -- -= David Airlie, Software Engineer -= http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] The final Word
How the hell can you justify that comment - that it is the email client user's responsibility ? Why the hell should people have to PAY to download spam they don't want and didn't ask for, just because some mailing list they subscribe to is run by a bunch of irresponsible amateurs (and I'm not having a go at the SLUG maintainers here - just an example) ? Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: Kevin Saenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 5:27 PM -= To: Jon Biddell -= Cc: 'SLUG'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] The final Word -= -= -= Jon, I doubt it will ever be your last word. -= -= By bouncing each and every spam I receive from this list -= back to the -= committee members... -= -= It's good to see you are taking a +ive approach that is -= constructive. I would love to be a committee member on your -= receiving end, my config of spamassassin would deal with -= your crap quick smart. :) IMHO (though it counts for very -= little) dealing with spam is the responsibility of those -= who use an e-mail client. -= -= -= Not childish when you think of it - if it's only this way -= that they -= can be made aware of their responsibilities, then so be it. -= -= beg to differ -= -= Agree or don't - I don't give a fuck anymore... No, I'm not -= subscribing, but I AM watching... -= -= Each to their own. -= -= -- -= Regards, -= -= Kevin Saenz -= -= Spinaweb -= I.T consultants -= -= Ph: 02 4620 5130 -= Fax: 02 4625 9243 -= Mobile: 0418455661 -= Web: http://www.spinaweb.com.au -= -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [chat] Re: [SLUG] The final Word
David, that's your privelage... I could always just re-subscribe under another account, were it THAT important to me. My purpose, believe it or not, for bouncing the email was purely to allert the committee members to the existance of the spam, with an appended request to do something about it. If you think I should be blackballed for making a simple request like that, then go do it. Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Airlie -= Sent: Monday, 29 September 2003 5:08 PM -= To: Jon Biddell -= Cc: 'SLUG'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [chat] Re: [SLUG] The final Word -= -= -= -= Do be honest Jon if you ever do what's proposed here (the -= bouncing) I would pay up and table a motion to have you -= removed from the SLUG mailing list, -= -= you complain that you get some spam, and you have to pay -= for it.. awww poor you, you then end up paying probably 100 -= times as much generating crap like this and receiving crap -= like this back from list members.. if you dont like the -= list operating procedure get off the list... -= -= Dave. -= -= -= On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: -= -= I've had it - deal with the SPAM issue at the next -= meeting - mind you, -= I'd be interested to know how many members there are -= vs. how many -= psople subscribed to the list that won't be represented, -= but never -= mind -= -= SLUG had the future of being a great resource, except for the -= bitchiness and backbiting of certain members (you know -= who you are)... -= You may sleep well in the knowledge that you *may* have -= fscked it for -= all. -= -= As I have absolutely no doubt that my suggestion will -= be ignored / -= voted down / whatever, I'm going to dseal with the spam -= in my own way. -= -= By bouncing each and every spam I receive from this list -= back to the -= committee members... -= -= Not childish when you think of it - if it's only this way -= that they -= can be made aware of their responsibilities, then so be it. -= -= Agree or don't - I don't give a fuck anymore... No, I'm not -= subscribing, but I AM watching... -= -= -= -= -- -= David Airlie, Software Engineer -= http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug-chat -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [chat] Re: [SLUG] The Current CRAP from SLUG
I made any comments to you PRIVATELY, which you have just shown your lack of consideration for by replying to me publicly. You, Sir, are a git... Welcome to my killfile -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Gray -= Sent: Wednesday, 1 October 2003 8:04 AM -= Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [chat] Re: [SLUG] The Current CRAP from SLUG -= -= -= Jon Biddell wrote: -= I've had it - I mean I have REALLY had it - the majority -= of you (and -= please note I say MAJORITY, not all) of you are probably -= reasonable -= human beings. -= -= There are, however, a few anally retentive morons -= subscribing to this -= list, and I'm not going to put up with the personal -= attacks and abuse -= from people -= -= Hmmm. So what was with the *personal mail* you've been sending me -= off-list?? Personal abuse? YOU were the one who told ME -= to F*# OFF -= without provocation and in a later mail to pull my head out of my -= a*$#. Bit of the pot calling the kettle black don't you -= think? I've -= stayed out of the spam debate and simply made an -= observation about -= subscription mail arriving on the list. If you took that -= personally, -= that's not my problem. I didn't mention any names nor to I imply, -= infer, suggest or speculate on any names. -= -= Seems obvious to me (and probably others as well), that you -= are indeed -= the immature one I mentioned in my message titled -= Subscriptions -= Please Jon, do us ALL a favour; leave and don't come back -= :) There's -= the door, now don't let it hit you on the butt on the way out. -= -= --James -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug-chat -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] The Current CRAP from SLUG
-= There are, however, a few anally retentive morons -= subscribing to this -= list, and I'm not going to put up with the personal -= attacks and abuse -= from people who not only don't know me but who REFUSE to -= listen to any -= point of view not their own, and yes I'm refering to the -= SPAM debate. -= -= No Jon, we refuse to listen to your point of view because -= you're an arsehole! You've abused the VOLUNTEER -= administrators, threatened to send them loads of spam and -= generally been a dick. I haven't abused them - I've REQUESTED that they do what is necessary to stop SPAM to this group, IMHO. They started the tirade of abuse - OK, I was wrong to respond in kind... I threatened NOTHING - I said I'd forward every piece of spam I got the the committee, with a formal request to stop this crap from being sent to the list. It that happens to be 1 per week or 10 per day, tough. As for being an arsehole, it's something I've worked hard at.. Thanks...:-) -= Let the committee run the list how they see fit - I am -= unsubscribing -= my main address immediately, and re-subscribing through -= an ISP that -= will provide the SPAM filtering that the SLUG committee cannot / -= willnot provide. -= -= When you resubscribe, please ensure you let me know what it -= is so I can add it, with this current one, to my junk list. Oh, most certainly, Reverend Rumble NOT !! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black !! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] The final Word
I've had it - deal with the SPAM issue at the next meeting - mind you, I'd be interested to know how many members there are vs. how many psople subscribed to the list that won't be represented, but never mind SLUG had the future of being a great resource, except for the bitchiness and backbiting of certain members (you know who you are)... You may sleep well in the knowledge that you *may* have fscked it for all. As I have absolutely no doubt that my suggestion will be ignored / voted down / whatever, I'm going to dseal with the spam in my own way. By bouncing each and every spam I receive from this list back to the committee members... Not childish when you think of it - if it's only this way that they can be made aware of their responsibilities, then so be it. Agree or don't - I don't give a fuck anymore... No, I'm not subscribing, but I AM watching... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Subscriptions....
The person/organization running the list has the duty to ensure that spam doesn't get through... QED -= -Original Message- -= From: Brad Kowalczyk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 12:39 PM -= To: James Gray -= Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Subscriptions -= -= -= -= James Gray wrote: -= -= Call me a synic, but does anyone else think it strange that a few -= people took exception to spam getting on this list (like THAT was -= never going to happen!) and now we've had 3 subscription -= activation -= messages in the last two days?? -= -= Seems as if someone is out to sabotage the list -= -= just what I was thinking -= -= If you don't like spam, take some responsibility and put -= in place your -= own filters! -= -= I agree -= -= If you can't be bothered doing that (taking -= responsibility), take your -= modem and have a ritual burning - you don't belong on the -= internet. -= -= don't know that I would go that far - the spammers are the -= ones that -= don't belong. I mean we wouldn't suggest that someone who detests -= receiving regular junk mail (the paper variety) should rip -= out there -= mail box. Although I guess we might if the whinging got too much ;-) -= -= Brad -= -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Subscriptions....
Why don't you take your head out of your ass and accept that some people don't hold YOUR views on things, you whiney git ! -= -Original Message- -= From: Robert Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2003 3:32 PM -= To: Jon Biddell -= Cc: 'Brad Kowalczyk'; 'James Gray'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: RE: [SLUG] Subscriptions -= -= -= On Tue, 2003-09-30 at 14:42, Jon Biddell wrote: -= The person/organization running the list has the duty to -= ensure that -= spam doesn't get through... QED -= -= Oh, give it up. Thats the lynchpin of your entire tirade, -= and its not one you have made any solid case for. -= -= Begone troll. -= -= Rob -= -- -= GPG key available at: -= -= http://members.aardvark.net.au/lifeless/keys.txt. -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG]
Which would make SLUG, as a whole, more elitist than it currently is. I just feel it's irresponsible to have a mailing list set up where any Tom, Dick or Harry can post anonimously Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of doug foskey -= Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 6:56 PM -= To: SLUG List -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] -= -= -= On Saturday 27 September 2003 06:38 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -= I seem to have touched a raw nerve with my previous comments.:-) -= -= -= The only thing I would hate to happen is that people who -= are not financial -= members of SLUG, may at some time be refused membership of -= this list. -= Being resident in Lismore (area), I rarely go 'smoke, so -= would be unlikely -= ever to join Slug. I do belong to our local group, GLUG however. -= Just my 2c worth. -= -= Regards Doug -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
Terry, what about broadband WiFi ? Would you be interested ?
A trial system is being installed at the moment in my area (I will be
one of the neighborhood POP's which, if successful, will be offered to
people in Campbelltown and Central Cost areas as well...
They are also going to expand into VoIP !!!
Hasta la Vista, Telstra !
Jon
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-= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Collins
-= Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 9:31 AM
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-= Subject: ADSL uptake is smalll. Re: [SLUG] Yuk
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-= doug foskey wrote:
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-=Lucky city-ites with cable ADSL.
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-= Most people in the city can not get ADSL either.
-= a) Because they are too far from an exchange and
-= b) The technology only allows a few adsl services in each cable.
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RE: [SLUG]
You suggestion is accepted, Ken. As I am unavailable to be present at SLUG meetings, I present my arguments here for consideration. A members only can post list would; 1. Reduce greatly the amount of spam being received. This would occur by virtue of the fact that most spam is generated from harvested addresses - spammers very rarely join lists to send their email, especially if said lists have anti havesting measures in place, such as entering a randomly generated security code that is displayed as an image only. 2. Reduce the amount of work in running the SLUG lists - although everyone will still be able to read posts, non-list-members will not be able to post. Once set up, this will be largely self-maintaining. Post from non-members can be either dumped, bounced with an explanatory note, or refered to a moderator for posting approval. If forwarded to a moderator, it is suggested that the moderator changes every 30 days, or such other time as the committee approves of. My preference for handling non-member posts would be bounce with explanation, including a link to allow joining of the appropriate list. 3. Greatly improve the signal to noise ration of the SLUG and SLUG-CHAT lists especially, by removing spam and flame wars whenever this is mentioned. I am happy to volunteer to assist with any changes in whatever capacity I can be used, having regard for the fact that I am unable to attend SLUG meetings. Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Foskey -= Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2003 10:44 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Cc: slug -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] -= -= -= Jon, (CC SLUG) -= -= OK will you turn up and present your case for change of -= list policy. -= If you cannot turn up in in person then please present your -= comments here and it will be read at the meeting. -= -= Until you actively do something please drop this thread! -= You have sought to clarify, SLUG has acted and SLUG will -= vote. I believe that you are not a financial member, if -= you become financial then you can vote to (you can nominate -= your vote by proxy). -= -= I wait your reasoned submission, no slander, no name -= calling, just the facts and how any change will be achieved -= and continue to meet the communities goals (real or -= perceived, we are human). -= -= Thanks for listening. I will not respond to *any* posts on -= this thread because they are your opinions presented for -= those voting. I do not want to misrepresent any statements made. -= -= -- -= Thanks -= KenF -= OpenOffice.org developer -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
Richard, I have been suggesting a member only posting list for at least a year, and was always shot down in flames by Jeff, saying that the members didn't want it. What I propose is that we have an anyone can read, only members can post list - if people who are reading the list can't be bothered joining to be able to post, then I question the necessity of having them post at all. Flames /dev/null Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= The problem with this rational is that you did recieve them -= and pay for -= the bandwidth. -= -= They should be filtered before the listserver. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= Richard. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Yuk
-= All of you, stop whinging about the tiny bit of spam that -= makes it through the list filters. Something like 99% or -= more of spam *is* stopped at the list server, thanks to the -= efforts of the admins. -= -= The list admins, all unpaid volunteers, do a great job and -= should not have to listen to whiny gits who can't be -= bothered running their own spam filter and expect someone -= else to protect them. I beg your pardon ? Tiny ? Well, if you call 50+ in the last two weeks tiny, I guess that's so... Anyway, who made you the bloody mailing list police ? Some of us whiny gits, as you so eloquently put it, have to PAY for the data we download over piss-poor 56k dial-up connections. Not EVERYONE has the luxury of ADSL or CABLE. I get more spam from this list than any other I'm on. John, sounds like you've been taking personality lessons from Jeff...:-) Try taking your head out of your ass for a change. -= -= Or better yet --- member only. -= -= We've had this discussion too. It's not going to happen. -= You asked for this a couple of weeks ago and were told so -= then, what makes you think the answer's going to be any -= different this time? Jeff's gone Yes, the admins are volunteers, and a members-only list would LESSEN the workload, not increase it. If you can't see that then maybe you should go back to Windows... You're obviously too THINK to use Linux ! Oh, before I forget; cat flames /dev/crapper Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] USB Bluetooth adapter recommendations
Hi Mike, I have the same phone (and the M3000 headset !!). There are two good Bluetooth adapters. One is a DLINK DBT-120, which will give you the standard 10m range. I found it good, but worldn't allow me to connect with my PDA from the loungeroom, so I bought a Belkin F8T001 from Harvey Norman which is rated at 100m - has a little swing-up antenna, etc. Both work fine, the Belkin one giving heaps extra range. From memory, the Dlink cost me $89, and the Belkin $99 - I'll either sell the Dlink or take it to work...:-) Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike MacCana -= Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 11:05 AM -= To: SLUG -= Subject: [SLUG] USB Bluetooth adapter recommendations -= -= -= Hey folks, -= -= I've recently purchased a Linux compatible phone (a -= SonyEricsson T610, which can sync its email folders and -= addressbook to Evolution). -= -= I'm looking at a USB bluetooth adapter to do the syncing, -= and according to http://www.holtmann.org/linux/bluetooth/usb.html -= most devices with the four chipsets mentioned should work. -= -= I was wondering if anyone here had any recommendations or -= throughts on the various USB bluetooth adapters available. -= -= Mike -= -- -= -= __ -= Mike MacCana ConsultantRHCX, -= MCSE, MCP+I -= Cybersource: Providing Quality IT Professional Services for -= 11 Years Specialists in Unix/Linux, TCP/IP and Web -= Application Development Level 4, 10 Queen St, Melbourne. -= Ph : 03 9621 2377 Fax: 03 9621 2477 -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Commander AN system programming
Watch it, Scott - the Mailing List Nazis will be after you too !!! Jon --- semper in excreto es sed profundum variat -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent: Thursday, 25 September 2003 4:12 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [SLUG] Re: [chat] Commander AN system programming -= -= -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 25-09-2003 04:09:04 PM: -= -= Dave Kempe wrote: -= -= Does anyone know how to find station 10 on the above commander -= station? -= I have the programming manual and need to adjust the -= 'annoy me when -= someone is on hold time' and the manual goes on about -= station 10 but -= doesn't indicate how to find it. how do i get station -= numbers - or -= who do I ask? -= -= Is this a new linux distro I haven't heard about? -= -= I didn't know this was strictly a Linux mailing list! -= -= Scott -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: Members only (was [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks)
Oh God, don't go there Richard... It will never happen... I've raised this innumerable times in the past and, while I will NEVER agree with the committee's reasons for not doing so, they have decided that a members only list is inappropriate. -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Ames -= Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 11:43 AM -= To: SLUG -= Subject: Members only (was [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks) -= -= -= -= We apparently can not filter this stuff --- can we make it -= a member only -= list -= -= Please, -= -= Richard. -= -= -- -= Richard Ames -= linsup.com, +61 2 9144-6131 -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks on a huge horse dong!
Sure Mike, sure Keep telling yourself that...:-) BTW, go back to the old photo - or add a bottle of JD. -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike MacCana -= Sent: Thursday, 11 September 2003 1:26 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks on a huge horse dong! -= -= -= Hehe. I actually opened this one thinking somebody didn't -= like the KDE LAN browsing tool. :D -= -= Mike -= -= __ -= Mike MacCana ConsultantRHCE, MCSE, MCP+I -= Cybersource: Providing Quality IT Professional Services for -= 11 Years Specialists in Unix/Linux, TCP/IP and Web -= Application Development Level 4, 10 Queen St, Melbourne. -= Ph : 03 9621 2377 Fax: 03 9621 2477 -= -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: Members only (was [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks)
If you're *really* concerned about top-posting, might I suggest you go get a LIFE !! -= Top posting is not bad, I'm all for it .. more top posting please, Not editing your messages, however, really fromages me off !!! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: Members only (was [SLUG] Slug, Lisa sucks)
-= This one time, at band camp, Richard Ames wrote: -= -= We apparently can not filter this stuff --- can we make it -= a member -= only -= list -= -= I haven't received a single spam from the slug list since i -= installed bogofilter between my mailbox and my mailserver. -= While bogofilter is probably a damn ghood idea, it doesn't address the vast majority of users who probably have one machine connected to their ISP, and their spam email downloads count toewards there monthly limit. I can see what Richard is saying - if we can't stop it at the source (i.e. the slug server), then you need something that can delete spam BEFORE it leaves your ISP. Jon P.S. And I know I can't do this with my isp, which is why I'm changing !! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] slug archive searching seriously broken
Title: Message Why does this start to sound like a Viagra email ?? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2003 11:04 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jeff Waugh; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [SLUG] slug archive searching seriously brokenIs that for enhanced humans? ;) :) Warmest regardsMike---Michael S. E. KrausNetwork AdministratorCapital Holdings Group (NSW) Pty Ltdp: (02) 9955 8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/09/2003 08:38 PM To: Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] slug archive searching seriously brokenOn Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:43:24 +1000Jeff Waugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any good reason NOT to use htdig? It works fine on my sites... I haven't been happy with it in the past. namazu (which handles different document types, metadata, etc. very nicely, including mhonarc archives) gave awesome results, but doesn't seem to scale very well (known problem).I've been casting around for search engines recently.swish-e (Simple Web Indexing System for Humans - Enhanced.)lookss pretty good.http://swish-e.org/Matt-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Mail redirecting -
Check your /etc/aliases file -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 5:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SLUG] Mail redirecting - hey ppl - our server redirects any email sent to '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' to my boss, but he wants it to come to me from now on, because the only thing that would ever come from root are basically any errors returned by cron etc. and I am the one that needs to know of those :) hehehe I'm sure this is easy, but I can't find a thing on it anywhere... any ideas? Jared Pritchard ' 02 6882 0288 6 02 6881 6318 * 0427 813 400 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The information contained in and accompanying this communication is strictly confidential and intended solely for the use of the intended recipient(s). The copyright in this communication belongs to Macquarie Telecom Pty Limited or one of its related entities. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and telephone Mactel on +61 6882 0288 immediately. You should not copy, disclose or distribute this communication without the authority of Mactel. Emails may be interfered with, therefore if you have any doubts about the authenticity of an email purportedly sent by Mactel please contact Mactel immediately. File: ATT00011.txt attachment: winmail.dat-- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Help/Info pls re ADSL
All I can say, Bill, Is good luck - Telstra, as we all know, work under a completely different set of customer service requirements than the real world. I've been hassling them for 4.5 YEARS for ADSL, and despite there being an exchange either side of ours that has it, they keep giving me the we are looking into it but have no plans line... They want to loose up to 600 houses as adsl customers, fine. As for your connection, you use the Telstra copper to the exchange, but from there do NOT use Telstra ADSL... Try swiftel - www.swiftel.com.au - they have some very attractive plans... Jon P.S. There is a class action commencing against Telstra on behalf of country users who get crap service and no broadband - and we arfe setting up an 802.11b based ISP up here (Bowen Mountain) to service the area if we have to. -=Today I finally had the phones connected at our new house. -= -=I have the house wired for cable/data/phone with cat5 - 2 -=separate phone -=cables - 1 for our part of the house and 1 for my Mother's part. -= -=Two cables have been laid and connected and both connections work. -= -=It has taken nearly 3 months to get these connections. -= -=When the technician had finishedtoday I asked if our line was ADSL -=suitable. He said that both lines were pair-gained to a RIM -=at the Tower, -=but that there were plenty of copper connections available ( to the -=exchange I assume), and that our line would be changed to -=full copper when -=I requested that ADSL be connected. He said that the work -=order was for 2 -=pair-gained connections. -= -=All of this despite the fact that during this whole process I kept -=reiterating that I wanted a line suitable for ADSL, and the -=fact that my -=Mother's old house, which we demolished 14 mths ago in order -=to build this -=new house, had a full copper connection (verified by the -=technician today), -=and that she retained her existing phone number by having it -=redirected to -=our phone at our current residence. In other words, her -=phone was never -=disconnected and therefore I believe that the full copper -=connection should -=have been retained. -= -=Apart from signing up for an ADSL account with an ISP (not -=BigPond), is -=there any other way to get a full copper connection to the -=exchange? ie -=does a fax line require this? -= -=As we will not be taking up residence until we have sold our -=current home I -=would like to get this phone line fixed in advance. -= -=The only other alternative that I can think of is to get -=ADSL connected, -=then dial-up from one house to another and connect to the -='Net remotely. -=Being a relative 'newbie' in many aspects of linux, I'm not -=sure if I -=could manage this. -= -=On Monday I will be again calling my contact person at -=Telstra's complaints -=line ( that is how we finally gained the connections), and -=any info/advice -=re the above matters would be appreciated. -= -=Bill -=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= -=-- -=SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -=More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Anyone have a quick reference for Mandrake mirrors.
Hi Michael, Try http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/ftp.php Jon -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Kraus -= Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 12:25 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [SLUG] Anyone have a quick reference for Mandrake mirrors. -= -= -= G'day all... -= -= I'm just wanting to quickly install a couple of mandrake -= (8.2) packages, and don't have the CDs with me... -= -= Can anyone give me a reference to a mirror, so I can set up -= urpmi correctly? -= -= Thanks heaps... -= -= Mike -= -= -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Old DLT Tape Cleaner
Internal or external drive ? What brand ? We use LTO tapes here, but I
can have a hunt around for you
Jon
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-= Sent: Wednesday, 27 August 2003 3:12 PM
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-= Subject: [SLUG] Old DLT Tape Cleaner
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-= Would anyone have an old DLT Tape and/or cleaner tape that
-= I could have or borrow?
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-= I have been given a DLT drive that I would like to test
-= before shelling out n * $100 + $150 respectively for a set
-= of DLT tapes.
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Re: [SLUG] Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii fuckiiiiittttttttt I need help
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 11:35 pm, Shane Hanson wrote: This is a fucking crisis - read on A long time ago, far far away in another galaxy... Shane - you need something like Spy Catcher to get rid of what appears to be spyware - let me know if you want a copy, it was on a recent magazine CD. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Good advocacy article
On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 08:56 am, Stuart Guthrie wrote: If you have the time, This company got burned in a BSA ram raid. Moved to Open Source and haven't looked back. http://news.com.com/2008-1082_3-5065859.html?tag=lh Just got an email from their Customer Services Manager about it - Thanks Jon! I've passed your message along to Sterling. We've gotten a couple of kudos e-mails to Sterling and I know he loves it, so thank you! For the record, we're doing GREAT without Microsoft! Best regards, Beth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- Good to see a company doing GREAT sans Bill. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Random System Freezes
-= On Thu, Aug 07, 2003 at 11:55:59AM +1000, Terry Collins wrote: -= Think sick building syndrome. Basically, new -= office/office works and -= factories produce lots of fumes that can deposit on -= nice new shiny -= pins and provide an insulating layer of gunk that causes -= intermittent -= problem. -= -= This reminds me of a story (urban legend?) that I heard -= from around here at UNSW. -= -= Someone else probably has the full story (pchubb?), but the -= gist of it is that there were a lot of single bit errors on -= one of the old machines that seemed to appear for no -= reason. All manner of part swapping was done without success. -= -= UNSW is in close proximity to Sydney airport, and after a -= lot of head scratching it turned out that this was being -= caused by the air traffic control radar sweeping past the -= machine and inducing errors ... so kind of a sick building syndrome. -= -= The moral of the story is to always check for high -= intensity radar in the surrounding area when diagnosing problems ;) Most definitely NOT an Urban Ledgend - I was studying there when the Faraday Cage was installed around the server room on top of the Tower. Made mobile phone reception a real bitch when I worked there in the early 90's... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
-= Hmm, nice dodge on the numbats there Jeff. -= -= I have two questions. -= -=Lots of people have asked me to expand on this, so I'm going -=to do so in a linmagau article. I'd prefer to take it there, -=than continue the discussion on the lists Coward:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Dual head question
Kevin - I'm running PCI and AGP together under Ahem Evilware XP and it works fine. Under Linux I believe you have to look at the Xinerama extensions to X - which I haven't been able to get working yet. Jon -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Saenz -= Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:04 AM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [SLUG] Dual head question -= -= -= I would like to configure my machine so that can have 2 -= monitors hanging off one machine. -= Am I correct in assuming that I would need to buy another -= video card which will send signals to the second monitor? -= Would I experience some issue with running pci and agp -= graphic together? Ideally I would need to have identical -= graphic cards. Or are there cards that have 2 monitor outputs? -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Dual head question
Try having a look at the Xinerama FAQ at TLDP - http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Xinerama-HOWTO/ Jon -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete de Zwart -= Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 11:39 AM -= To: Kevin Saenz -= Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Dual head question -= -= -= What video cards were you considering on using? -= -= Matrox has some nice dual headed cards. -= -= NVidia only likes doing dual head set up with other NVidia -= cards, if you can prove me wrong, please let me know how you did it. -= http://www.tldp.org/ has some good documents about it. Pete de Zwart. Around about 1104h 13/08/2003, Kevin Saenz emitted the following wisdom: I would like to configure my machine so that can have 2 monitors hanging off one machine. Am I correct in assuming that I would need to buy another video card which will send signals to the second monitor? Would I experience some issue with running pci and agp graphic together? Ideally I would need to have identical graphic cards. Or are there cards that have 2 monitor outputs? Matrox, or ATI would be the way to go for dual head on one card. -- The real cause of your computer problem according to the BOFH: Unfortunately we have run out of bits/bytes/whatever. Don't worry, the next supply will be coming next week. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
-=Don't you just *love* it how when Jeff does something like -=bagging out someone elses preferred distribution or -=software, it's his usual cheeky prose, but when someone -=else does it it's argumentative and confrontational? That's because Jeff is so full of his own self-importance it's almost embarassing - Oh, don't forget he's a FOSS author/contributor (bow, scrape)- I'e not even that bad after the 2 bottles of red I've just consumed. Full of shit is another comment that comes to mind (excuse me - I've been out backburning all day, and I'm just a tad pissed...figuratively and litterally !!!) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
-= That's because Jeff is so full of his own self-importance it's -= almost embarassing - Oh, don't forget he's a FOSS -=author/contributor -= (bow, -= scrape)- I'e not even that bad after the 2 bottles of -=red I've just -= consumed. -= -= Full of shit is another comment that comes to mind -=(excuse me - -= I've been out backburning all day, and I'm just a tad -= pissed...figuratively and litterally !!!) -= -= Thanks Jon - my original comment was off list! -= -=Which goes to show you shouldn't reply to mail at almost 1 -=am when you're 3 parts asleep. Yes, my appologies to (most of) the list also - sleep, or lack thereof had nothing to do with it... The consumption of two bottles of VERY nice 13 year old Grenache was responsible :-( -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Random System Freezes -- SOLVED (so far so good)
-=400W and a 320W... and you know where I can stick the 320W? Not a wise thing to ask on this list, my friend !!!...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ADSL Modem Recommendations please.
-= I'm shortly to move house, and I'll be able to gain -= access to ADSL (once -= I get Telstra to lay the 'phone cables - 7 + weeks to date), so I'm -= interested in info re suitable recommended modems. Gee, 7 weeks It's taken me 4.5 YEARS so far...:-( -= -= I won't be going with BigPond, but will select an ISP with -= more reasonable -= download limits. Have a look at the plans from Swiftel - they seem pretty reasonable. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] open source windows software
There is a CD available called The Open CD, which contains Open Source equivalents of commercial Windows programs... Have a look at the AARNET mirror... Jon -=-Original Message- -=From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Hewitt -=Sent: Thursday, 7 August 2003 4:58 PM -=To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=Subject: [SLUG] open source windows software -= -= -=Hi All, -= -=I have just had to resign myself to install windows on my -=work PC for various reasons and I was wondering if anyone -=knows of a place that contains a list of open source -=software for windows such as Mozilla? -= -=If I have to support MS then I would like to make it a -=minimal effort. -= -=Adam. -= -=PS. No flames please :) -= -=-- -=SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -=More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy
I've just done some research (hehehe) and the person responsible at UWS may be reached (politely) at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Benefits of source distro (Gentoo) somewhat elusive :-)
-= This is an interesting POV. We currently have about 40 -= Linux boxes in -= high load production environments, and racking my brian I -= can't think of And one has to wonder how Brian feels about being racked - possibly he enjoys it ?? :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy
-= Geoffrey Robertson said: -= My wife does some teaching out at USW. They have -= receintly told her -= that they will no longer be issueing paper pay slips. -= They will be -= online and she will be required to use IE5 to read -= them. She has -= told them that she uses Linux and is waiting for them to -= get back to -= her. -= -= I think the more interesting question is the legality of -= doing this. AFAIK they must provide a pay slip and even a -= written record of all the super deductions for the month. -= You can't require people to have to outlay money to check -= pay slips. Just checked with our office and they maintain -= that this would be illegal for them. Geoffery, what pay system are they using ? If it's PayGlobal (which I administer for another University), the browser is irrelevant, and the payslips are actually in PDF format. Email me off-list if she has any problems... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] UWS IE5 Policy
-= soapbox -= Surely the more interesting aspect is being forced to pay a -= M$ tax simply to be on someones payroll? -= -= If Mrs.Robertson is the sort of person who is willing to be -= the dog at this bone, we could even establish some sort of -= legal precedent. Like all of us, I'm sick of being told -= that I *must* use Microsoft products simply because some -= clown has been brainwashed to believe that it's the only -= way of doing things, much less the best way. -= -= Even the ATO has been guilty of this crap, as well as some -= banks etc. -= -= It's probably too much to expect politicians to understand -= that being in the thrall of one (foreign) company is a -= BAD_IDEA (tm), but perhaps industrial due-process may see -= it more realistically. /soapbox Whoa Down boy SIT !!! Good sysadmin.. I fully agree - I was only proposing a possible immediate solution to the problem while Mrs Robertson stuck it to the bastards...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] UPS for Linux environment
-= Can anyone recommend a UPS for a linux environment? -= -= Thanks I'm tempted to say one with BIG batteries, but seriously, folks, I'm running an APC UPS at home and the monitoring software works great. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] RE: [chat] MTA wars
-= On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 19:52, Jon Biddell wrote: -= snip -= Ken, you'll also get this if you mention editors, email clients, -= window managers and just about anything else. Remember -= the flame war -= over pico/vi/emacs about 12 months ago ? -= -= It's the nature of the Linux community, I'm afraid - and -= I'm not sure -= that it's not beneficial. -= snip -= -= So you are sure that it is beneficial then. :) Yes, I guess so -= I think it's great - because you get to hear why and how -= different people use different software and you are exposed -= to the good and bad points of each. Provided people don't get too fanatical about things, like a certain Distro Jihad a few years ago, then yes, it's good to be exposed to the strengths and weaknesses of the various options. You'll learn more here than reading books, that's for sure. -= -= P.S. pico rules !!!:-) -= -= Nah... vim is supreme! Well, I have to admit that I use VIM for most things now, especially at work where its' syntax highlighting is quite nice... But I still have a soft spot for Pico - it's close to the ond Wordstar 3.3 that I used as an editor for many years - and it's the FIRST program I ever got to compile properly under Linux about 7 years ago...:-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
-= Subjects: -= o Occupational Health and Safety 18 hours -= Is this necessary? Doable by project work or RPL -= -= From my understanding, basically every TAFE course has -= OHS components -= in -= it, because every job listing has knowledge of EEO and -= OHS requirements - at least, every job my fiancee has -= looked at lately seems to have it. If she's looking at Government jobs, the standard answers are available on the web for this...:-) -= o TBA 72 hours -= Your idea goes here. Email setup (sendmail, procmail, fetchmail primarily), Samba integration with Evilware clients -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Statement of Attainment in Linux
-= Sendmail's the last thing I think we should be handing to another -= generation of net.geeks. I don't care what we *do* give -= them, I just -= care that it -= *isn't* sendmail. -= -= I disagree. Everyone should be taught sendmail as an -= example of how not to write an MTA :-) I agree in principle, but how many organizations are there Out There that *are* running sendmail successfully, and don't see a need to change it ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] imap mail box for me?
-= After ten years of the same uni email address, the machine -= on which my mail lives is about to be retired. Given that I -= am not a uni student any more I am in a bind. -= -= Im looking for some one to sell me just an imap mail box -= some where. Can some one recommend any one? Ben, This may not be the perfect solution, but it's FREE (as in beer) - you may have to put up with an outage occasionally, But try www.myrealbox.com - it's a site run by Novell as a test-bed for their mailserver product, and as such they allow you to use it free of charge, provided you can cope with an outage occasionally when they upgrade software. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Sweet
I knew I liked that Party for a reason...:-) -= http://news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6788724%255E1530 -= 6,00.html -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Good place to get RH9 in CBD or North Sydney
Past Hornsby, at Mt Colah, but not too far from the station (about 10 min. walk). You can download the ISO's from the AARNET mirror if you have the bandwidth, or I might be able to burn you a set (all 10 !!!) in the next week or so). Jon -= -= The Lankum guy lives up near Hornsby (http://www.lankum.com). -= -= On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 10:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -= -= Can anyone recommend a good place to get RedHat 9 from in -= the CBD or -= North Sydney? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ISA Server 2000
-= Our Technical experts have recently wiped squid and installed -= ISA server 2000. Now I am unable to reach the net from -= my Debian -= machine at work. It is running 'testing'. I have never had -= success joining the Active Directory and so have just -= piggy-backed to the net. Is there a simple solution? Or could -= someone point me in the right direction. I am both new -= to Debian -= (this is the first time I have been able to get it to work -= properly) and stuck. We've just gone over to EvilWare 2003 Active Directory and I had the same problem - I don't logon to the network any more, just use the proxy settings, and it's working fine (Mandrake 9.1). Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Video cards
Title: Message Anyone have any advice regarding the Creative 3D blaster series of graphic cards?Any ones that are particularly good or any that are unsupported under Linux?What video card would most people recommend these days for use under Linux? (Ok... so I guess that depends on purpose right...) Michael, I'm using a Creative Blaster 3D on one machine here - it's a RIVA TNT, which works fine under Mandrake 9.1 - I also have a RIVA TNT2 in the workstation in the office (which is essentially a creative one anyway) and it also performs fine - Tuxracer runs quite nicely. As for what videocards to use, yes it does dependon the use... My workstation at home has a GeForce2 MX400 in it, as it's not really used for gaming much... Personally, I'd stick with the GeForce range4 (NVidia) for ease of use and drivers... Although the new Radeon 5900 shows a lot of promise. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 07:19 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We use HEAT over 6 campuses and it is a pile of steaming dog faeces, and that's being polite - someone was 'hand in glove' with the supplier which is why we have it It seems this field is riven with bad software. I've used Remedy/ARS in a past job, and it was baaad. And I think it's the market leader! It is. A dog. And a market leader. It's not as bad as version 3, though. We've just installed the latest version of HEAT and it's marginally better, the company having changed hands... Version 5 I think... Clarify is worse, though. The local nickname for it is Horrify. That name still gives me nightmares The only HD system I've ever used that cam close to doing what I wanted was a thing called QUANTUM, which the RTA used to run (Unix based !!). jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks.
Yes, I've heard of the Peruvian situation And the course that was mentioned is indeed MICROSOFT SALES POLICY... -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neast Pty Ltd -= Sent: Saturday, 12 July 2003 7:49 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks. -= -= -= Seems to me it may be a course on FUD techniques, launched -= against an -= intelligent audience these are unlikely to be successful, take for -= instance the Peruvian situation, I wonder if the originator of this -= subject is cognisant of it, or if he understands this email. -= -= Nicholas Tomlin. -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Few Questions
-= Yes I know that, webmin whould have address with https and -= that is my first question is: I can not access my webmin -= under https://localhost:1 and only can be access under -= the ordinary http://localhost:1 -= -= Is this because I'm using redHat 9 or because I missed -= something in while installing it? If you don't have SSL installed on the machine at the installation time, Webmin defaults to http - to enable https, make sure SSL is installed and running peoperly, and then (assuming you have a default: installation, edit /etc/webmin/miniserv.conf. Change the line SSL=0 to SSL=1 - you can also change your port (the default is 1). Go to the directory you have webmin installed in and issue a webmin-init restart Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] looking for Ye olde tape drive
Matthew, The tape drive is an Iomega Ditto Easy 800, and uses Travan TR1 400Mb tapes - looks like it runs from the parallel port... Somehow I don't think this is your drive... I have another older drive in the workshop, which I believe takes DC2xxx tapes, again a parallel (Backpack) drive... No idea if it works or not, but if it's the right one you're welcome to it. -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Palmer -= Sent: Friday, 11 July 2003 1:28 PM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: RE: [SLUG] looking for Ye olde tape drive -= -= -= On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, Jon Biddell wrote: -= -= Hmmm Sounds like an old Iomega 'Easy800' drive - I -= have one in the -= junk box at home, plus a few tapes... I'll check the type -= of tapes and -= let you know if it's usable. -= -= Cool. Thanks! -= -= - Matt -= -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] looking for Ye olde tape drive
Hmmm Sounds like an old Iomega 'Easy800' drive - I have one in the junk box at home, plus a few tapes... I'll check the type of tapes and let you know if it's usable. -= Just had an odd request - someone has asked me to -= extract the data off what -= looks to be an old DDS-style tape cartridge. It's an -= Imation/3M branded -= tape, with the following useful information: -= -= DC2120 -= 307.5ft (93.7m) -= 120MB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks. ;)
It's all one HUGE flash animation which you can't save Although I should have screen dumps finished later today... -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Behalf Of Michael Lake -= Sent: Friday, 11 July 2003 10:23 AM -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks. ;) -= -= -= Matthew Palmer wrote: -= -= On Fri, 11 Jul 2003, CaT wrote: -= And windows r0x0rs. -= http://members.microsoft.com/partner/training/learning -= center/default.aspx -= -= I think I might take these. Just so I know what crap -= they're going to be -= coming out with. -= -= And can you bring it along to a SLUG meeting for a -= special showing. -= I am sure we would all be able to have a wonderful laugh :-) -= It would be quite interesting. No joke. -= -= -- -= Mike Lake -= Uni of Technol., Sydney -= -= -= -= UTS CRICOS Provider Code: 00099F -= -= DISCLAIMER -= -= -= This email message and any accompanying attachments may contain -= confidential information. If you are not the intended -= recipient, do not -= read, use, disseminate, distribute or copy this message -= or attachments. -= If you have received this message in error, please -= notify the sender -= immediately and delete this message. Any views -= expressed in this message -= are those of the individual sender, except where the -= sender expressly, -= and with authority, states them to be the views the -= University of -= Technology Sydney. Before opening any attachments, -= please check them for -= viruses and defects. -= -= -= -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks. ;)
http://members.microsoft.com/partner/training/learning center/default.aspx I think I might take these. Just so I know what crap they're going to be coming out with. And can you bring it along to a SLUG meeting for a special showing. I am sure we would all be able to have a wonderful laugh :-) It would be quite interesting. No joke. At Michael's suggestion, and because we all need a bit of a laugh, you may access the content of these two Linux Courses at www.jon.fl.net.au/linux/linux_1.tar.gz and www.jon.fl.net.au/linux/linux_2.tar.gz NOTE: These archives (which contain PNG screendumps) are 11Mb and 8Mb respectively. Enjoy! Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Take 1.5 hrs to learn why linux sucks. ;)
Hmmm. yes, agreed... But a pain for the content...:-) -= -= It's all one HUGE flash animation which you can't -= save Although -= -= Pfft. If it's delivered over HTTP it can be saved. -= Maybe not easily, and -= (considering the source) most likely not worth it, but -= still savable... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] request tracker -- worth it?
-= We use a product called HEAT. We are onto our third -= training session on how to use it. They still have not -= figured out it is a dog :-( We use HEAT over 6 campuses and it is a pile of steaming dog faeces, and that's being polite - someone was 'hand in glove' with the supplier which is why we have it -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] linux gateway
-= I run it on Mandrake, so I guess not. :-) -= -= Smoothwall is merely a set of scripts/wrappers which invoke -= the inbuilt iptables firewalling within Linux. I'd hazard a -= guess there are installs for most popular distributions. And there are a few good alternatives, like Shorewall (www.shorewall.net) - works kinda like Smoothwayy, or IP-Cop which is a bootable CD with Linux and the iptables stuff all ready to go. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] NZ Company resuses to duplicate Knoppix CDs
The following story is of interest to all Linux affecionados... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3510183 More Microsoft anti-competitive practices in the making... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] UPS woes.
Having a look at the case, which is probably not a good indication !!), it looks like an APC UPS, Or maybe even a SOLA BASIC - they both have similar cases on their low-end models, plus there is a lighter area on the front where a brand sticker may have been which looks about the right size for an APC. Of course, knowing DSE, it could be a wun hung low no-name brand from China - pull the cover off and see what it says inside ! Jon -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Barnes -= Sent: Sunday, 22 June 2003 07:54 -= To: SLUG -= Subject: [SLUG] UPS woes. -= -= -= Hi everyone, -= The other day my boss bought a UPS which was on special at -= Dick Smith Electronics for $100 (400Va, 9pin Serial-to-pc, -= 6 minutes @ half-load), an ok price i guess. -= -= The DSE web site notes that the UPS has Linux software, -= which is true, I was able to download an RPM. But the rpm -= wont install because the software isn't meant to be run in -= command-line mode, and our server doesn't have X11 -= installed for security reasons :( -= -= I tried looking for a command line version, or some Linux -= software which will work on the command-line with the UPS -= but I am having absolutly no luck. I've checked out the -= HOWTO-UPS doc which gave me some help but i'm still no -= closer to getting it working with Linux. -= -= I have determined that its a smart UPS, by using a little -= serial line monitoring tool to check if the UPS changes the -= control lines on an event change, which it doesn't. So this -= means that it wont work in dumb mode with powerd. So now i -= have to find out what protocol it uses to communicate. -= -= I have no idea what brand of UPS it is because there are no -= branding or badges. The manual makes no note of the brand, -= and there is nothing on the UPS to determine the brand. All -= it has is Model: UPS0400B on a sticker at the back, its -= black, single green led on the front, single power button -= on front, 2 power-out sockets at the back. -= -= There is a picture on the DSE site: -= http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/3ef4d22d0860371 8273fc0a87f9c06bb/Product/View/M7650 Maybe someone will know who the parent brand is. If anyone has another other info about this ups or info on how i might be able to determine what brand it is, or what protocol it uses, then I'd really appreciate that. Thanks heaps. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Redundant Web Servers
Well, we've solved the problem, and it works perfectly
With much thanks to all the SLUGgers (and squid-ers) that gave
suggestions, we presented a plan to marketing that was almost
foolproof
And we costed it at approx. $200k initially, plus another $50k
recurring costs
They saw our point...:-)
Jon
-= -Original Message-
-= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-= [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-= Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-= Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2003 7:58 AM
-= To: Robert Collins
-= Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Redundant Web Servers
-=
-=
-= On 2 Jun 2003, Robert Collins wrote:
-=
-= Dual homed connection to them, using two separate
-= exchanges and/or
-= connection technologies - on two power grids... you
-= may need to rent
-= facilities to get these two things.
-=
-= And note that not even this will guarantee absolutely
-= seamless failover.
-=
-= A flapping link on one of the redundant links will give
-= BGP heartattacks,
-= and result in route advertisements changing frequently
-= until someone gets
-= in the moddiel of it and stops the flapping link from
-= advertising anything
-= until it's repaired.
-=
-= {wry grin} been there, done that.
-=
-= DaZZa
-=
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RE: [SLUG] OT - Australian distro?
-= lol. A LeylandP76 Linux Distro would have the -= reliability of MS Windows :-) But damn, it would look good...:-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Redundant Web Servers
Hi all, Our marketing types want 24/7 availability of our corporate web site - a fair enough request, I guess... However we have a number of restrictions on what we can do; 1. Must (presently) remain with IIS - moving to a Linux/Apache solution may become possible later, but it's political 2. Servers must be physically located on different campuses - because we connect tot he 'net through AARNET, we want them on different RNO's. 3. There must be NO DISCERNABLE INTERRUPTION TO SERVICE when one fails. Doing a shift-reload in the browser is NOT an option. It must be TOTALLY TRANSPARENT. Keeping the boxes in sync is no problem. I was thinking of a Linux box with 3 NICs - one to each server and one to the 'net, but this will only work if the servers are physically located on the same network. The only other solution I can come up with, given the above anal restrictions, is to use a round robin DNS setup, but this will involve doing a reload if the primary server fails to pick up the secondary DNS entry. I'm open to suggestions if anyone knows of a more elegant way of doing it - hell, if anyone knows how to make it work, I'll listen !! Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Invitation to Montenegro IPSI-2003 (5.10. - 11.10.2003.)
-= I am happy to invite you to be a speaker at the VIP -= Scientific Forum of the International IPSI-2003 Conference -= in Montenegro, Former Yugoslavia (IPSI = Internet, -= Processing, Systems, Interdisciplinaries). Well, this is a refreshing change to the normal spam we receive, isn't it. I volunteer Jeff to attend as Dr Slug (sounds like a 70's rock band !!!) J -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [Fwd: Help with final choice on new machine]
On Thu, 29 May 2003 09:18 am, Ken Foskey wrote: Anyone care to comment, an open source developer in Canada is getting a new PC... I work on the very low end so someone might have some useful comments. I wish it was my budget :-) What is support like for 64 bit stuff? VERY nice machine spec deleted !! Ken - I'd suggest to this guy that he might like to drop a line to my friend Marcel Gagne, author of Cooking with Linux in LJ - as he's in Canada as well, maybe he might know the local market better... Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] - and feel free to drop my name... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Spam
In response to comeone's comment about winding up Nigerians, see www.scamorama.com It's been done...:-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re email
Title: Message 1. Check that the modem is really plugged into Com2 (/dev/ttyS1) 2. What dial and init strings are you using ? It *may* be that you just need to mod these 3. What brand/model of modem ? Jon -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul MaloneySent: Tuesday, 27 May 2003 22:12To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [SLUG] Re email Hi all, It's the pest again, sorry for being such a pest, but I have tried everything that I know and have had no success connecting to internet. My ISP who is austarnet suggested that I check my modem drivers as this might be the problem. By using different mail programs I get different results. Also using harddrake it doesn't show my modem, so I am more confused. I don't even get dial tone like I do with windows. When I try to connect using kppp it informs me that it cannot find "/dev/ttyS0" and when I set it to /dev/ttyS1 it inform me that the modem is ready then it says sorry the modem does not respond. Any suggestions. Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Dick Smith internal modem: no carrier, no technical support
=I've bought myself a Dick Smith internal modem, which they =claim works with Linux (there's a little Tux on the packaging). = =It works fine with XP. = =I've installed the Linux driver that comes with the modem. =This talks to the modem, but all it comes up with is NO CARRIER. Try slipping an X3 into the init string (or the dial string, doesn't really matter which. That tells the modem to not wait for a crrier. X4 will do a blind dial, which you don't want, as X3 waits for about 1 second before dialing. X0 is no dial without carrier and X1 I forget. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] SLUG Name Change
-= Recently, the SLUG committee received a request from the GNU -= Foundation that -= we acknowledge the true origins of the operating system we promote. -= Accordingly, they asked that we rename ourselves to the Sydney Gnu/Linux -= Users' Group. -= -= After some discussion amongst the new committee, we have -= decided to clarify -= our nomenclature by changing the name to the Sydney Users of the Linux -= Kernel. Accordingly, over the next month, SLUG will be renamed to SULK. Hm Don't laugh - it COULD happen Even if only to Debian users... -= The proposed new SULK logo can be found at -= http://www.slug.org.au/sulk-logo.png -= That, and the other website changes, will be done over the next week. I would have thought that a drawing of Richard with Linus' hands around his throat would be more appropriate...:-) Good one... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Oh dear
No comment...:-( http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.cfm?ID=0Art_ID=11772 Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Oh dear
Hey, it WAS sent before midday - can I help it if our brain-dead mailserver is running Windows ? -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of -= David Fisher -= Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2003 14:22 -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org. Au; [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: Re: [SLUG] Oh dear -= -= -= -= Too late, Jon, it's supposed to be before midday! -= -= David x2707 -= mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. -= -= -= -= -= -= Jon Biddell -= -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Org. Au [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Sent by: cc: -= -= [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fax to: -= -= org.au Subject: [SLUG] -= Oh dear -= -= -= -= -= 01/04/2003 02:13 -= -= PM -= -= Please respond -= -= to jon -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= *** -= This email message has been processed by MIMEsweeper -= *** -= -= No comment...:-( -= -= http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.cfm?ID=0Art_ID=11772 -= -= Jon -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Welcome to the Movieglobe Mailing List
=Wow, neat trick. = =I've unsubbed the list, and added a couple of mailman =filters. That's another list manager we're silently ignoring =mail from. Which is a prime example of why the list should be changed to subscribers only can post - it would LESSEN the workload on our overworked list admins...:-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] FLAME WAR 1.0
Oh dear We've been drinking WY too much Red Bull, haven't we...:-) -= -Original Message- -= From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of -= Tony Green -= Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2003 08:40 -= To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= Subject: [SLUG] FLAME WAR 1.0 -= -= -= Hold onto your hats, batton down the hatches and turn off the TV. -= -= -= Clash of the Titans, Battle of the Bulge, Flame War is ON! -= -= Friday 28th March will see the first (and maybe the only) SLUG Quiz - -= Flame War V1.0. -= -= In the red corner, all the way from Yass via a very exclusive rehab -= clinic, we have Peter Hasselhoff Hardy. -= -= In the blue corner, the man who put What the hell was that in Ska, -= Jamie Animal Wilkinson. -= -= -= The War will take the form of a quiz. Each team will have 3 members and -= the questions will be on a vast array of geek related things. -= -= The team captains will be searching out team mates in the next week, so -= hide if you're feeling shy. -= -= In the next few days, the captains will email the list with details of -= their team (team name, members and mission statement). -= -= The rules will be made up on the spot and may change depending on how -= much I'm bribed (only joking or am I?) -= -= Remember, send your question suggestions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -= -= Put on your asbestos Y-Fronts, it's time for Flame War -= -= -- -= SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ -= More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] pppd
I am trying to setup my NETCOMM Roadster II modem to run under Linux (RedHat7.3) but without any luck. I have created an account with all the correct ISP details etc, and the modem dials and connects to the server but I get a timeoutwith pppd, during authentication I think. I had the same trouble with Mandrake 9.0, any ideas? Specifically what problems are you having ? Is it not recognising the dial tones ?
[SLUG] LDAP Gurus
Any LDAP gurus here ? I'm looking at replacing an $80k/year Novell eDirectory server on Win2K with LDAP on Linux and I want to see if there are any major problems with this idea. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] LDAP Gurus
Ideally, I'd like to dump the Windows side of things alltogether - they are using a VERY minimal part of eDirectory for authentication and nothing more... $80k/.year is WAY too much for what they are doing. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Saenz Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 14:42 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [SLUG] LDAP Gurus Hi Jon Depends on how you are going to do this. If you are going to have LDAP being the central database for authenticating w2k users you may need to install on w2k some unix tools supplied by microsoft. As far as I know there are no microsoft schema's available for openldap, I think there are some sites that talk about having openldap working with W2k do a search my memory is a little rusty on how we completed openldap and w2k at citistreet. Any LDAP gurus here ? I'm looking at replacing an $80k/year Novell eDirectory server on Win2K with LDAP on Linux and I want to see if there are any major problems with this idea. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Cabinets
I'm on the scrounge for a cabinet for a very overbudget project. Standard 19 rack mounting, 850mm deep (730 between the rail mounts), and anything up to 2.2m high. Front / back doors NOT required, but side panels would be nice if it has them. Cost: Preferably FREE if possible (we ARE a University, after all !!), but some small compensation can probably be arranged (slabs of your favorite poison, etc). Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Cabinets
Darn good idea Thanks Mick... Jon p.s. Strathfield - Hi Jon, If you're anywhere near Sydney, it's well worth stopping in at the Pickles Auction guys and asking around. They had a stack of cabinets at one stage . If you can get around to see them and they have any left they are usually quite helpful, even if your there on a non - auction day. Regards Mick -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Tax
I wasn't refering to their capabilities, I was refering to their physical build - apparently the keyboards (so the review said) are prone to popping out of the case at the rear left side, and they were generally of lower quality than the other no name notebooks tested. Still, if they're cheap... Pity they don't use the Pentium Mobile processor tho... =Stuart On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 22:42, Jon Biddell wrote: = Hmmm... I seem to remember reading a laptop review (PC =Authority or = APC) that said that Pioneer's build quality was =quastionable for the = price. = =Stuart Umm, I've got one. You get what you pay for (plus some in my =Stuart judgement). = =I also have one -- 2G P4 (not the mobile one). PCMCIA works, =video works, audio works --- It's currently running Debian. =Only problem is that recent kernels have mucked up the =cd-recording, so I have to reboot in 2.4.19 to burn a CD. =Otherwise, it's running 2.5.64, and I'm currently typing this =email on it via the wireless network at home. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Microsoft Tax
Hmmm... I seem to remember reading a laptop review (PC Authority or APC) that said that Pioneer's build quality was quastionable for the price. =Pioneer Computers (http://www.pioneercomputers.com.au) in Alexandria. =I've no idea what the laptops are like as I have never used them =personally (or any laptop for that matter) but an extended =warranty can =give some peace of mind. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
So why offer the discount at all for one distro ??? = =Thats like saying, by burning your own cd-set you've saved $5 =off slug membership. = =On Sun, 2003-03-02 at 17:59, Jon Biddell wrote: = = The main Dymocks shop on George St. in Sydney does sell Debian = = Woody, BTW. And this is the distro that gives you $5 =off SLUG = = membership too! Particularly interesting as this the AGM = =is at the = = next SLUG meeting, and you need to be a member to vote. = = = = = = Long Live The Debian Police! Debian Nazis Forever! = = Hell, if buying Debian gets you a $5 discount, buying ANY distro = should get you the same = = So much for equality amongst distros Maybe the group should be = renamed to SDLUG ?? = = = :-) = = Jon =-- =Chris Deigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =-- =SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ =More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug = -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
=One thing I have to say, though: The last thing I ever =expected to happen as a result of all the effort I put to =this project was to be accused of being a Nazi. That really =took my breath away. Bruce - please note that the nazi comment was not from me - although I can see how the sender would see the situation, as Debian seems to be the predominant distro at SLUG JOn -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
= The stores in my area don't have them. Does Dymocks sell =version 8.0 or any urls that list vendors of Red Hat =Products in Australia would do me. = I picked up the set from www.everythinglinux.com.au for about $35 Also there is a ver good book Redhat Linux 8 - The Complete Reference with the whole thing on a DVD that Dymocks sell for around $80-ish... I might even have a spare copy here that you can have cheap... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Where Can I get Red Hat Linux 8.0 ?
= The main Dymocks shop on George St. in Sydney does sell Debian = Woody, BTW. And this is the distro that gives you $5 off SLUG = membership too! Particularly interesting as this the AGM =is at the = next SLUG meeting, and you need to be a member to vote. = = = Long Live The Debian Police! Debian Nazis Forever! Hell, if buying Debian gets you a $5 discount, buying ANY distro should get you the same So much for equality amongst distros Maybe the group should be renamed to SDLUG ?? :-) Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Email client
On Sun, 2003-02-23 at 09:41, Alan L Tyree wrote: Hi, My neighbour is a 94 yo (that is not a mistake!) woman who has never used computers before but wants to have email and web browsing for some courses that she is taking. I have an old HP 333mhz machine that I am going to set up for her. Trouble is, a full RH installation is pretty sluggish on it. I thought I would skip Gnome and go for Icewm or Windowmaker, use Galeon as the web browser. What would be a decent simple graphical mail client? Evolution seems sluggish on the machine as well as being serious overkill. IceWM is fairly light and fast, and I'd look at using either Balsa or (preferably) Kmail as the mail client. Jon -- Tony Blair phones George Bush and asks What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of Mass destruction, and Bush replies We kept the receipts !! -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] [OT ] Recovering WordPeferect 5.1 files
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:32, Richard Hayes wrote: Dear list, I want to recovery some old WP 5.1 dos files. Does WP for linux support 5.1 files? Can I run WP5.1 for dos under Linux? Is there a easy solution? At the risk of being obvious, have you tried OpenOffice ? I'm pretty sure it can read them with minimal formatting loss. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] problem with nautilus 2.2.1
quote who=[EMAIL PROTECTED] snip Another problem I have is that when I drag icons on the desktop, the system is not very responsive. You can see the icon disappears at its original position, reappear at its new position ~1/2 seconds later. You don't happen to be using an nVidia card with the very latest drivers, do you? I've experienced this problem with the 4193 drivers on Redhat and Mandrake with the Athlon-optimised kernel driver - interestingly though, not on a SuSE 8.0 system. Any fixes Jeff ?? - Tony Blair phones George Bush, and asks What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? and Bush replies We kept the receipts. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] problem with nautilus 2.2.1
Downgrade to the previous driver release. The latest nVidia drivers have a buggy RENDER implementation, which is really only exercised by the latest GNOME releases. Hmmm... Interesting... I'll re-compile the 31xx version and see what happens... Come to think of it, the reason I don't get the problem with SuSE 8.0 is that it's running Gnome 1.4... Thanks.. Jon - Tony Blair phones George Bush, and asks What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? and Bush replies We kept the receipts. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] difficult recruiters.
The simple solution is either; A. Send them a PDF file Or B. Rename your resume.txt to resume.doc Either way they'll still read it. - Tony Blair phones George Bush, and asks What proof do you have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? and Bush replies We kept the receipts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kevin Saenz Sent: Thursday, 20 February 2003 12:18 To: Russell Davies Cc: Sydney Linux User Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] difficult recruiters. I'm thinking of something like a public blacklist of recruitment agencies that SLUGers can boycott. I'd like to hear suggestions or discussion on what we can do about this increasingly frequent annoyance. Getting such an activity mentioned in a Newspaper would also be of great benefit in making these agencies think twice. Thoughts? Sadly we are the minority here. How is a boycott going to change their point of view? They really have the right to nominate the format they wish to receive your resume in. If they say they want word format and you want a job then you submit your resume in word format other wise they might place your resume in the trash rather than the too hard basket. :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Terminal based editor with syntax hilighting
This is what you need then: http://www.geekcheat.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PRODStore_Code=GProduct_Code=vimugCategory_Code=VS Or even http://www.everythinglinux.com.au/cat/merchandise/mugs They were going to produce an emacs one, but how many people would buy a coffee mug the size of a soup bowl ? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] proxy stuff...
Will this ensure that new users pick up the proxy settings easily (until I learn iptables for transparent proxy). Uhm, I recommend against transparent proxy unless you have a *very* good reason. Mozilla and MSIE both support proxy autoconfiguration. If you need to force proxy use, use interception to show a HOWTO Configure Proxy Use web page. But don't use interception for accessing the proxy. (incorrectly called transparent proxing). Rob, I'd be interested in your reasoning behind this - I thought transparent proxying was widely used (I know Bidpond here use it). Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] proxy stuff...
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 22:50, Robert Collins wrote: On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 22:27, Jon Biddell wrote: But don't use interception for accessing the proxy. (incorrectly called transparent proxing). Rob, I'd be interested in your reasoning behind this - I thought transparent proxying was widely used (I know Bidpond here use it). Sure. Interception of TCP streams breaks the end to end semantics of TCP. This raises issues - Thanks for the information, Rob... Some very interesting issues that I hadn't even considered (like the no fallback)... Many thanks for your time... Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] proxy stuff...
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 23:02, Ken Foskey wrote: ...snip... good stuff stuff on why iptables redirection is bad... Are you saying that to enforce proxy I should simply block port 80 and then the browser is forced to find a proxy? Is there something in squid that I should set on to make browser configs easier? I always thought it was easier (on the proxy server) to block port 80 to the 'net, and enable 3128 (or whatever), thereby forcing users to use the proxy. Now I'm not so sure. Jon -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] For that guy that asked about firewall products on Linux
Hey - download the two interfaces example, uncomment ONE line in the
'rules' files, and you have a fully functional firewall...
So it's not PERFECT, but it's a damn sight better than what a lot of
people have been using, like ZoneAlarm...:-(
And it's a LOT easier to understand than iptables for newbies and me
!!!
On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Jon Biddell wrote:
Also take a look at www.shorewall.net - and the config file comments...
I can vouch for that one - I just installed Mandrake 9 {off an APC disk -
sue me} which comes with Shorewall installed - I have to say I'm damn
impressed with its flexibility and versatility.
I'm a little less than impressed with its documentation as supplied, but I
managed to make it work anyway. :-)
DaZZa
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL
formats (+-R/RW)
Jon
David wrote:
...snip..
Is there any reason that DVD is a bad idea?
My current understanding is that there isn't a common DVD writer
standard at the moment. So you are going to be bound to a proprietary
DVD writer, which if it looses out and disappears from the means that
your backups are only as good as your device lives.
Stick to Cd for the really important stuff, especially stuff you might
want to access in 10 years+. Use a DVD for bulk if you like.
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Backup!, was Hard Drives
As far as I am aware, yes... Take a look at www.programmersparadise.com.au, they have it on their front page... Jon On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 01:33:58PM +1100, Jon Biddell wrote: If you want to go DVD, you could look at a Sony DRU500A - writes ALL formats (+-R/RW) Does it run under linux ok? For all formats? Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Hard Drives
Bit expensive - check the prices on www.programmersparadise.com.au - I think that size is about $153. Jon OK so I am getting a new harddrive (as a second HD) from my local PC store, and am thinking of a 40gb (or 60gb) Seagate 7200rpm 3y for $179.00, what do people think, and what are their experiences. Thanx Andrwe D -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
