RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

It's been a while since I needed the usertools, so had to jog my memory a bit 
here, but no entries in the .ray3hosts file. The thing is Softimage started up 
really quick until the FlexLM change, so I was not suspecting any Softimage 
related to cause the delay.

Thanks anyway :)

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 16:44 skrev Sven Constable 
> :
> 
> 
> its ".ray3hosts"  Sorry, I misspelled it.
> But as said, you can also use the "User Tools"
> (Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage/User Tools) and edit it from there.
> If there is no ray3hosts file, well then it is probably not the cause of the
> delay anyway. :)
> 
> Sven
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:19 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=XobRaPQyEUy8UJasQ6cffsqR10N3gaGsB10OEJmi3xg&s=GeitpSknaMGJr5AQeA9QOjHANwcOiP-2jQKnpKvHpns&e=
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> I can't seem to find a .rayhosts file... I even searched for it on C:.
> 
> MB
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 15:01 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > BTW: any installation above Softimage 2011 did not configure MR 
> > distributed rendering within the installation process, like it was 
> > with earlier version (thanks to ADSK). But regardless if satellite 
> > rendering is working or not, Softimage will look for a rayhost file on 
> > startup. Then it reads the machine entries, looks for them on the network
> and will try to establish a link.
> > That takes a little and even longer if these machines are non-existent 
> > or do not respond.
> > In short: If you're not using mental rat satellite, you should delete 
> > all entries in the rayhosts file, if there are any. Or set a # in 
> > front of the machine names.
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven 
> > Constable
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:39 PM
> > To: 'Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum
> _-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2
> pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=C5XhO5BKZhZ6_h4E3EzJeYmBz
> FJR_j0POUXqn6GR9xU&s=gajx0t3ox8FrHLSp0GtrQhbsOYw4o723brGCVcpW_RE&e='
> > Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > No, on the workstation you're using. 
> > Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage2015/User
> > Tools.
> > There is an entry to edit the rayhost file.
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:03 PM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
> > _forum
> > _-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9u
> > zNzd_2 
> > pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=d6w1XCIJRBqnBLsnMcr
> > x4CP5q 
> > CrsZTCAHLVxbWKr-Qo&s=tIopkdH8Yc3m6o98tqCo8WDrBubhokbOfLIPjgzGbzg&e=
> > Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?
> > 
> > MB
> > 
> > 
> > > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable
> > :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open 
> > > with notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> > > C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> > > Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-
> > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > > Bartholdy
> > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> > > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.c
> > >

RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Sven Constable]

its ".ray3hosts"  Sorry, I misspelled it.
But as said, you can also use the "User Tools"
(Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage/User Tools) and edit it from there.
If there is no ray3hosts file, well then it is probably not the cause of the
delay anyway. :)

Sven
-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
Bartholdy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:19 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=XobRaPQyEUy8UJasQ6cffsqR10N3gaGsB10OEJmi3xg&s=GeitpSknaMGJr5AQeA9QOjHANwcOiP-2jQKnpKvHpns&e=
Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

I can't seem to find a .rayhosts file... I even searched for it on C:.

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 15:01 skrev Sven Constable
:
> 
> 
> BTW: any installation above Softimage 2011 did not configure MR 
> distributed rendering within the installation process, like it was 
> with earlier version (thanks to ADSK). But regardless if satellite 
> rendering is working or not, Softimage will look for a rayhost file on 
> startup. Then it reads the machine entries, looks for them on the network
and will try to establish a link.
> That takes a little and even longer if these machines are non-existent 
> or do not respond.
> In short: If you're not using mental rat satellite, you should delete 
> all entries in the rayhosts file, if there are any. Or set a # in 
> front of the machine names.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven 
> Constable
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:39 PM
> To: 'Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
>
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum
_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2
pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=C5XhO5BKZhZ6_h4E3EzJeYmBz
FJR_j0POUXqn6GR9xU&s=gajx0t3ox8FrHLSp0GtrQhbsOYw4o723brGCVcpW_RE&e='
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> No, on the workstation you're using. 
> Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage2015/User
> Tools.
> There is an entry to edit the rayhost file.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:03 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
> _forum
> _-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9u
> zNzd_2 
> pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=d6w1XCIJRBqnBLsnMcr
> x4CP5q 
> CrsZTCAHLVxbWKr-Qo&s=tIopkdH8Yc3m6o98tqCo8WDrBubhokbOfLIPjgzGbzg&e=
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?
> 
> MB
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open 
> > with notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> > C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> > Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.c
> > om
> > _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6I
> > Q7 
> > a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=H6rLQ
> > gY 
> > ZQm6ljY2Ca3KBYnvlG2Tblx01ugBHWQACN8A&s=BRO85m2WMTzKPZ9wLjbD8ZFAAA8XD
> > ER
> > 9XkZ6_7fKOKs&e=
> > Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite 
> > rendering as I have not used it except for the occasional 
> > texturebaking in years (5+) I have no idea where to set it up nor 
> > unset
> it.
> > 
> > I guess it is time for some doc reading.
> > 
> > Morten
> > 
> > 
> > > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
> > :
> > >

RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

I can't seem to find a .rayhosts file... I even searched for it on C:.

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 15:01 skrev Sven Constable 
> :
> 
> 
> BTW: any installation above Softimage 2011 did not configure MR distributed
> rendering within the installation process, like it was with earlier version
> (thanks to ADSK). But regardless if satellite rendering is working or not,
> Softimage will look for a rayhost file on startup. Then it reads the machine
> entries, looks for them on the network and will try to establish a link.
> That takes a little and even longer if these machines are non-existent or do
> not respond.
> In short: If you're not using mental rat satellite, you should delete all
> entries in the rayhosts file, if there are any. Or set a # in front of the
> machine names.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:39 PM
> To: 'Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=C5XhO5BKZhZ6_h4E3EzJeYmBzFJR_j0POUXqn6GR9xU&s=gajx0t3ox8FrHLSp0GtrQhbsOYw4o723brGCVcpW_RE&e='
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> No, on the workstation you're using. Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage2015/User
> Tools.
> There is an entry to edit the rayhost file.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:03 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum
> _-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2
> pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=d6w1XCIJRBqnBLsnMcrx4CP5q
> CrsZTCAHLVxbWKr-Qo&s=tIopkdH8Yc3m6o98tqCo8WDrBubhokbOfLIPjgzGbzg&e=
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?
> 
> MB
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open with 
> > notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> > C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> > Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
> >  
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
> > _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7
> > a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=H6rLQgY
> > ZQm6ljY2Ca3KBYnvlG2Tblx01ugBHWQACN8A&s=BRO85m2WMTzKPZ9wLjbD8ZFAAA8XDER
> > 9XkZ6_7fKOKs&e=
> > Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite 
> > rendering as I have not used it except for the occasional 
> > texturebaking in years (5+) I have no idea where to set it up nor 
> > unset
> it.
> > 
> > I guess it is time for some doc reading.
> > 
> > Morten
> > 
> > 
> > > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
> > :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new 
> > > server last week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version 
> > > of flexlm. No delay and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by 
> > > Autodesk using flexlm v11.14.1.3.
> > > Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This 
> > > will cause longer startup times, especially when the machines in the 
> > > rayhost file are not accessible.
> > > 
> > > Sven
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > > Bartholdy
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> > > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url

RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Sven Constable]

BTW: any installation above Softimage 2011 did not configure MR distributed
rendering within the installation process, like it was with earlier version
(thanks to ADSK). But regardless if satellite rendering is working or not,
Softimage will look for a rayhost file on startup. Then it reads the machine
entries, looks for them on the network and will try to establish a link.
That takes a little and even longer if these machines are non-existent or do
not respond.
In short: If you're not using mental rat satellite, you should delete all
entries in the rayhosts file, if there are any. Or set a # in front of the
machine names.

Sven

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:39 PM
To: 'Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=C5XhO5BKZhZ6_h4E3EzJeYmBzFJR_j0POUXqn6GR9xU&s=gajx0t3ox8FrHLSp0GtrQhbsOYw4o723brGCVcpW_RE&e='
Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

No, on the workstation you're using. Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage2015/User
Tools.
There is an entry to edit the rayhost file.

Sven

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
Bartholdy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:03 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum
_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2
pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=d6w1XCIJRBqnBLsnMcrx4CP5q
CrsZTCAHLVxbWKr-Qo&s=tIopkdH8Yc3m6o98tqCo8WDrBubhokbOfLIPjgzGbzg&e=
Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable
:
> 
> 
> just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open with 
> notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
> _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7
> a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=H6rLQgY
> ZQm6ljY2Ca3KBYnvlG2Tblx01ugBHWQACN8A&s=BRO85m2WMTzKPZ9wLjbD8ZFAAA8XDER
> 9XkZ6_7fKOKs&e=
> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite 
> rendering as I have not used it except for the occasional 
> texturebaking in years (5+) I have no idea where to set it up nor 
> unset
it.
> 
> I guess it is time for some doc reading.
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new 
> > server last week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version 
> > of flexlm. No delay and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by 
> > Autodesk using flexlm v11.14.1.3.
> > Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This 
> > will cause longer startup times, especially when the machines in the 
> > rayhost file are not accessible.
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.c
> > om
> > _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6I
> > Q7
> > a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=24U6M
> > OI
> > z08V7g2B27jQHY1JGjld2e5-LdOvjvfi80Xg&s=LWfmsS3YbsVK5X7rgvxQs4BCdS0_t
> > lX
> > wGbakAORsv5Q&e=
> > Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We 
> > had stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after 
> > upgrading FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was req

RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Sven Constable]

No, on the workstation you're using. Startmenue/Autodesk/Softimage2015/User
Tools.
There is an entry to edit the rayhost file.

Sven

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
Bartholdy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 2:03 PM
To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=d6w1XCIJRBqnBLsnMcrx4CP5qCrsZTCAHLVxbWKr-Qo&s=tIopkdH8Yc3m6o98tqCo8WDrBubhokbOfLIPjgzGbzg&e=
Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable
:
> 
> 
> just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open with 
> notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
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> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite 
> rendering as I have not used it except for the occasional 
> texturebaking in years (5+) I have no idea where to set it up nor unset
it.
> 
> I guess it is time for some doc reading.
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new 
> > server last week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version 
> > of flexlm. No delay and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by 
> > Autodesk using flexlm v11.14.1.3.
> > Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This 
> > will cause longer startup times, especially when the machines in the 
> > rayhost file are not accessible.
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.c
> > om
> > _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6I
> > Q7 
> > a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=24U6M
> > OI 
> > z08V7g2B27jQHY1JGjld2e5-LdOvjvfi80Xg&s=LWfmsS3YbsVK5X7rgvxQs4BCdS0_t
> > lX
> > wGbakAORsv5Q&e=
> > Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We 
> > had stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after 
> > upgrading FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running 
> > newer Maya versions.
> > 
> > I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person 
> > actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote
support.
> > 
> > The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows 
> > files(!) but eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that 
> > now Softimage takes ages to start up (probably because it takes a 
> > long time to get licens
> > granted) G
> > 
> > I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that 
> > not everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their 
> > corporate policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> > 
> > Morten
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable
> > :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network 
> > > license (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not 
> > > listed for several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to 
> > > move even the old licenses to a new server, I contac

RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

I am guessing on the server where we run FlexLM!?

MB


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:46 skrev Sven Constable 
> :
> 
> 
> just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open with
> notepad). It's in your user folder ...
> C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
> Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
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> Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite rendering
> as I have not used it except for the occasional texturebaking in years (5+)
> I have no idea where to set it up nor unset it.
> 
> I guess it is time for some doc reading.
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> > Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new 
> > server last week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version 
> > of flexlm. No delay and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by 
> > Autodesk using flexlm v11.14.1.3.
> > Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This will 
> > cause longer startup times, especially when the machines in the 
> > rayhost file are not accessible.
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> > [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> > Bartholdy
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> > To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
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> > z08V7g2B27jQHY1JGjld2e5-LdOvjvfi80Xg&s=LWfmsS3YbsVK5X7rgvxQs4BCdS0_tlX
> > wGbakAORsv5Q&e=
> > Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> > 
> > I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had 
> > stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after 
> > upgrading FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running 
> > newer Maya versions.
> > 
> > I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person 
> > actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
> > 
> > The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) 
> > but eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage 
> > takes ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get 
> > licens
> > granted) G
> > 
> > I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that 
> > not everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their 
> > corporate policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> > 
> > Morten
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable
> > :
> > > 
> > > 
> > > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network 
> > > license (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not 
> > > listed for several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to 
> > > move even the old licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the
> > online chat.
> > > 
> > > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Sven
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
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RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Sven Constable]

just check if there are any entries in the .ray3hosts file (open with
notepad). It's in your user folder ...
C:\Users\%user%\Autodesk\Softimage_2015_SP2 or whatever version.
Or use the "Softimage User Tools". It's also editable from there.
 

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
Bartholdy
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 1:17 PM
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Subject: RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite rendering
as I have not used it except for the occasional texturebaking in years (5+)
I have no idea where to set it up nor unset it.

I guess it is time for some doc reading.

Morten


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable
:
> 
> 
> Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new 
> server last week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version 
> of flexlm. No delay and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by 
> Autodesk using flexlm v11.14.1.3.
> Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This will 
> cause longer startup times, especially when the machines in the 
> rayhost file are not accessible.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten 
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com
> _forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7
> a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=24U6MOI
> z08V7g2B27jQHY1JGjld2e5-LdOvjvfi80Xg&s=LWfmsS3YbsVK5X7rgvxQs4BCdS0_tlX
> wGbakAORsv5Q&e=
> Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had 
> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after 
> upgrading FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running 
> newer Maya versions.
> 
> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person 
> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
> 
> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) 
> but eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage 
> takes ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get 
> licens
> granted) G
> 
> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that 
> not everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their 
> corporate policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> 
> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network 
> > license (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not 
> > listed for several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to 
> > move even the old licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the
> online chat.
> > 
> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --
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RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

That is interesting. I honestly don't know about the MR satellite rendering as 
I have not used it except for the occasional texturebaking in years (5+) I have 
no idea where to set it up nor unset it.

I guess it is time for some doc reading.

Morten


> Den 26. marts 2018 klokken 13:08 skrev Sven Constable 
> :
> 
> 
> Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new server last
> week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version of flexlm. No delay
> and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by Autodesk using flexlm
> v11.14.1.3.
> Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This will cause
> longer startup times, especially when the machines in the rayhost file are
> not accessible.
> 
> Sven
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
> [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
> Bartholdy
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
> To: Official Softimage Users Mailing List.
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__groups.google.com_forum_-23-21forum_xsi-5Flist&d=DwICAg&c=76Q6Tcqc-t2x0ciWn7KFdCiqt6IQ7a_IF9uzNzd_2pA&r=GmX_32eCLYPFLJ529RohsPjjNVwo9P0jVMsrMw7PFsA&m=24U6MOIz08V7g2B27jQHY1JGjld2e5-LdOvjvfi80Xg&s=LWfmsS3YbsVK5X7rgvxQs4BCdS0_tlXwGbakAORsv5Q&e=
> Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)
> 
> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading
> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
> versions.
> 
> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person actually
> called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
> 
> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but
> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes
> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
> granted) G
> 
> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not
> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate
> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> 
> Morten
> 
> 
> 
> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable
> :
> > 
> > 
> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network 
> > license (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not 
> > listed for several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to 
> > move even the old licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the
> online chat.
> > 
> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Sven
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --
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RE: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Sven Constable]

Regarding the longer startup times: I moved my licenses to a new server last
week (win srv2016) and also installed the newest version of flexlm. No delay
and same startup times as before. Latest NLM by Autodesk using flexlm
v11.14.1.3.
Do you have (accidently) configured MR satellite rendering? This will cause
longer startup times, especially when the machines in the rayhost file are
not accessible.

Sven

-Original Message-
From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com
[mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Morten
Bartholdy
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading
FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
versions.

I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person actually
called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.

The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but
eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes
ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
granted) G

I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not
everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate
policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.

Morten



> Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable
:
> 
> 
> just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network 
> license (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not 
> listed for several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to 
> move even the old licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the
online chat.
> 
> Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> 
>  
> 
> Sven
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Laurence Dodd]

I've spent the last month shading/lighting/rendering in Maya, and its made
me sad every day, so you saying that has really made me sad.
Why click once when you could dig around clicking ten times.

On 16 March 2018 at 12:55, Morten Bartholdy  wrote:

> Crashing is but a small part of the madness contained in Maya. The
> original Maya devs must have been seriously retarded. I have to go and
> breathe deeply several times a day when doing anything other than
> shading/lighting/rendering in Maya, and it is only because of Arnold and
> Redshift that this part of the work is bearable in Maya.
>
> Morten
>
>
>
> > Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 17:09 skrev Mirko Jankovic <
> mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > Well said Morten, well said.
> > When you pick up controller and move a prop in scene and maya crashes out
> > of the blue... simply hard to resist any chance to vent a bit.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Morten Bartholdy 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It is easy to sit happily in Houdini-land and wonder about the ongoing
> > > display of dislike for AD.
> > > If you were forced to use their shitty tools every day it might be
> easier
> > > for you to understand why an initial serious dislike of them deepens.
> It is
> > > simply not something you get easily over when a happy worklife (with
> XSI)
> > > has become a mediocre to shitty one using Maya. Some of us can't choose
> > > freely.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your input over the years Dan - you have definately
> contributed
> > > to the quality and good nature of this list.
> > >
> > > If Side FX finally manages (or chooses) to make Houdini accessible to
> less
> > > technically inclined artists, we might meet again :)  Bye and keep the
> good
> > > memories.
> > >
> > > Morten
> > >
> > >
> > > > Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 13:56 skrev Dan Yargici <
> danyarg...@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey guys and gals,
> > > >
> > > > I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I
> moved
> > > > over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as
> > > occasionally
> > > > a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would
> still
> > > > surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
> > > > massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending
> as
> > > much
> > > > energy in stating it as some people).
> > > >
> > > > I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> > > >
> > > > Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18
> > > years
> > > > that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect
> so
> > > > much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge
> > > with
> > > > a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.
> > > >
> > > > So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> > > >
> > > > It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future
> holds!
> > > >
> > > > DAN
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> > > > arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems
> from
> > > > > your posts here,
> > > > > turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet
> positively
> > > > > evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
> > > > >
> > > > > AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
> > > > >
> > > > > yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
> > > > >
> > > > > if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by
> their
> > > > > bosses in the 3d industry
> > > > >
> > > > > now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between
> XSI and
> > > > > Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> > > > > i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney''
> (who
> > > > > creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big
> industrial
> > > > > farmer)
> > > > > got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came
> along
> > > with
> > > > > non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and
> popularisation
> > > of
> > > > > nodes and mudboxes
> > > > > all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the
> > > Marvel
> > > > > DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
> > > > >
> > > > > about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by
> > > Nasa
> > > > > in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who
> > > elaborates
> > > > > on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity
> Rainbow.
> > > > > Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
> > > > >
> > > > > given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in
> Vietnam
> > > > > before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and
> > > images in
> > > > > advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> > >

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

Crashing is but a small part of the madness contained in Maya. The original 
Maya devs must have been seriously retarded. I have to go and breathe deeply 
several times a day when doing anything other than shading/lighting/rendering 
in Maya, and it is only because of Arnold and Redshift that this part of the 
work is bearable in Maya.

Morten



> Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 17:09 skrev Mirko Jankovic 
> :
> 
> 
> Well said Morten, well said.
> When you pick up controller and move a prop in scene and maya crashes out
> of the blue... simply hard to resist any chance to vent a bit.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Morten Bartholdy 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > It is easy to sit happily in Houdini-land and wonder about the ongoing
> > display of dislike for AD.
> > If you were forced to use their shitty tools every day it might be easier
> > for you to understand why an initial serious dislike of them deepens. It is
> > simply not something you get easily over when a happy worklife (with XSI)
> > has become a mediocre to shitty one using Maya. Some of us can't choose
> > freely.
> >
> > Thanks for your input over the years Dan - you have definately contributed
> > to the quality and good nature of this list.
> >
> > If Side FX finally manages (or chooses) to make Houdini accessible to less
> > technically inclined artists, we might meet again :)  Bye and keep the good
> > memories.
> >
> > Morten
> >
> >
> > > Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 13:56 skrev Dan Yargici  > >:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hey guys and gals,
> > >
> > > I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved
> > > over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as
> > occasionally
> > > a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still
> > > surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
> > > massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as
> > much
> > > energy in stating it as some people).
> > >
> > > I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> > >
> > > Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18
> > years
> > > that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so
> > > much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge
> > with
> > > a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.
> > >
> > > So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> > >
> > > It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!
> > >
> > > DAN
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> > > arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from
> > > > your posts here,
> > > > turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
> > > > evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
> > > >
> > > > AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
> > > >
> > > > yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
> > > >
> > > > if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
> > > > bosses in the 3d industry
> > > >
> > > > now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
> > > > Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> > > > i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
> > > > creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
> > > > farmer)
> > > > got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along
> > with
> > > > non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation
> > of
> > > > nodes and mudboxes
> > > > all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the
> > Marvel
> > > > DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
> > > >
> > > > about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by
> > Nasa
> > > > in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
> > > >
> > > > (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who
> > elaborates
> > > > on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
> > > > Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
> > > >
> > > > given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
> > > > before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and
> > images in
> > > > advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> > > > i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not
> > charismatic
> > > > leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is
> > a
> > > > mix of good, and evil.
> > > >
> > > > it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if
> > your on
> > > > the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
> > > > this moment,
> > > > Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
> > > > painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in
> > 2020,
> 

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Mirko Jankovic]

Well said Morten, well said.
When you pick up controller and move a prop in scene and maya crashes out
of the blue... simply hard to resist any chance to vent a bit.

On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Morten Bartholdy 
wrote:

>
> It is easy to sit happily in Houdini-land and wonder about the ongoing
> display of dislike for AD.
> If you were forced to use their shitty tools every day it might be easier
> for you to understand why an initial serious dislike of them deepens. It is
> simply not something you get easily over when a happy worklife (with XSI)
> has become a mediocre to shitty one using Maya. Some of us can't choose
> freely.
>
> Thanks for your input over the years Dan - you have definately contributed
> to the quality and good nature of this list.
>
> If Side FX finally manages (or chooses) to make Houdini accessible to less
> technically inclined artists, we might meet again :)  Bye and keep the good
> memories.
>
> Morten
>
>
> > Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 13:56 skrev Dan Yargici  >:
> >
> >
> > Hey guys and gals,
> >
> > I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved
> > over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as
> occasionally
> > a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still
> > surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
> > massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as
> much
> > energy in stating it as some people).
> >
> > I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> >
> > Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18
> years
> > that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so
> > much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge
> with
> > a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.
> >
> > So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> >
> > It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!
> >
> > DAN
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> > arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from
> > > your posts here,
> > > turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
> > > evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
> > >
> > > AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
> > >
> > > yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
> > >
> > > if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
> > > bosses in the 3d industry
> > >
> > > now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
> > > Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> > > i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
> > > creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
> > > farmer)
> > > got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along
> with
> > > non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation
> of
> > > nodes and mudboxes
> > > all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the
> Marvel
> > > DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
> > >
> > > about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by
> Nasa
> > > in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
> > >
> > > (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who
> elaborates
> > > on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
> > > Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
> > >
> > > given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
> > > before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and
> images in
> > > advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> > > i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not
> charismatic
> > > leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is
> a
> > > mix of good, and evil.
> > >
> > > it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if
> your on
> > > the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
> > > this moment,
> > > Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
> > > painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in
> 2020,
> > > soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the
> "Disney"
> > > farms,
> > > while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech
> > > processor and a facebook page to post memes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy :
> > >
> > >> How is Nasa evil?
> > >>
> > >> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they
> come.
> > >>
> > >> Morten
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> > >> arc.ann...@gmail.com>:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

It is easy to sit happily in Houdini-land and wonder about the ongoing display 
of dislike for AD.
If you were forced to use their shitty tools every day it might be easier for 
you to understand why an initial serious dislike of them deepens. It is simply 
not something you get easily over when a happy worklife (with XSI) has become a 
mediocre to shitty one using Maya. Some of us can't choose freely.

Thanks for your input over the years Dan - you have definately contributed to 
the quality and good nature of this list. 

If Side FX finally manages (or chooses) to make Houdini accessible to less 
technically inclined artists, we might meet again :)  Bye and keep the good 
memories.

Morten


> Den 15. marts 2018 klokken 13:56 skrev Dan Yargici :
> 
> 
> Hey guys and gals,
> 
> I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved
> over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as occasionally
> a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still
> surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
> massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as much
> energy in stating it as some people).
> 
> I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> 
> Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18 years
> that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so
> much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge with
> a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.
> 
> So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> 
> It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!
> 
> DAN
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from
> > your posts here,
> > turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
> > evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
> >
> > AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
> >
> > yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
> >
> > if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
> > bosses in the 3d industry
> >
> > now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
> > Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> > i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
> > creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
> > farmer)
> > got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along with
> > non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation of
> > nodes and mudboxes
> > all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the Marvel
> > DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
> >
> > about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by Nasa
> > in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
> >
> > (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who elaborates
> > on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
> > Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
> >
> > given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
> > before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and images in
> > advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> > i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not  charismatic
> > leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is a
> > mix of good, and evil.
> >
> > it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if your on
> > the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
> > this moment,
> > Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
> > painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in 2020,
> > soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the "Disney"
> > farms,
> > while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech
> > processor and a facebook page to post memes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy :
> >
> >> How is Nasa evil?
> >>
> >> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.
> >>
> >> Morten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> >> arc.ann...@gmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
> >> >
> >> > 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :
> >> >
> >> > > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and
> >> push
> >> > > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is
> >> there to
> >> > > help you.
> >> > > but just you try resisting.. ;)
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy <
> >> x...@colorshopvfx.dk>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I have absolut

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Jordi Bares]

ex-Softimage users like us need to make a T-Shirt with this sentence.. 
priceless..

> AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.

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Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[mikael . pettersen]

See you at the next Houdini User Group event!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Mar 2018, at 12:56, Dan Yargici  wrote:
> 
> Hey guys and gals,
> 
> I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved over 
> to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as occasionally a 
> little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still 
> surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also massively 
> dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as much energy in 
> stating it as some people).
> 
> I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.
> 
> Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18 years 
> that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so much 
> who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge with a 'bye 
> and thanks for the memories!' post.
> 
> So, bye and thanks for the memories!
> 
> It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!
> 
> DAN
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from your 
>> posts here,
>> turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively 
>> evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
>> 
>> AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
>> 
>> yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
>> 
>> if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their bosses 
>> in the 3d industry
>> 
>> now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and 
>> Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
>> i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who 
>> creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial 
>> farmer)
>> got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along with 
>> non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation of 
>> nodes and mudboxes
>> all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the Marvel DC 
>> comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
>> 
>> about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by Nasa in 
>> the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
>> 
>> (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who elaborates on 
>> the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow. Laurie 
>> Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
>> 
>> given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam 
>> before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and images in 
>> advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
>> i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not  charismatic 
>> leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is a mix 
>> of good, and evil.
>> 
>> it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if your on 
>> the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to this 
>> moment,
>> Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital 
>> painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in 2020, 
>> soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the "Disney" 
>> farms,
>> while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech 
>> processor and a facebook page to post memes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy :
>>> How is Nasa evil?
>>> 
>>> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.
>>> 
>>> Morten
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain 
>>> > :
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
>>> >
>>> > 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :
>>> >
>>> > > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and push
>>> > > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is 
>>> > > there to
>>> > > help you.
>>> > > but just you try resisting.. ;)
>>> > >
>>> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy 
>>> > > 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
>>> > >> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after 
>>> > >> upgrading
>>> > >> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
>>> > >> versions.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
>>> > >> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote 
>>> > >> support.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) 
>>> > >> but
>>> > >> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage 
>>> > >> takes
>>> > >> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
>>> > >> granted) G
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I wa

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Dan Yargici]

Hey guys and gals,

I stayed subscribed to the list over these last few years since I moved
over to Houdini (haven't touched Softimage in 2 years now!) as occasionally
a little nugget of useful, non-Softimage specific information would still
surface through the Autodesk-hating noise (I should add that I also
massively dislike Autodesk, I just don't see any point in expending as much
energy in stating it as some people).

I think the time has now come to pull the plug and sign off.

Not trying to be dramatic, just felt I should acknowledge the last 18 years
that I've been on the list interacting with so many people I respect so
much who generously took the time to share so much of their knowledge with
a 'bye and thanks for the memories!' post.

So, bye and thanks for the memories!

It's been a great pleasure.  Good luck with whatever the future holds!

DAN



On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 11:25 AM, Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
arc.ann...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from
> your posts here,
> turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
> evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good
>
> AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.
>
> yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.
>
> if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
> bosses in the 3d industry
>
> now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
> Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
> i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
> creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
> farmer)
> got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along with
> non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation of
> nodes and mudboxes
> all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the Marvel
> DC comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.
>
> about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by Nasa
> in the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.
>
> (there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who elaborates
> on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
> Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)
>
> given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
> before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and images in
> advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
> i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not  charismatic
> leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is a
> mix of good, and evil.
>
> it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if your on
> the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
> this moment,
> Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
> painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in 2020,
> soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the "Disney"
> farms,
> while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech
> processor and a facebook page to post memes.
>
>
>
>
>
> 2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy :
>
>> How is Nasa evil?
>>
>> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.
>>
>> Morten
>>
>>
>>
>> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
>> arc.ann...@gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >
>> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
>> >
>> > 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :
>> >
>> > > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and
>> push
>> > > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is
>> there to
>> > > help you.
>> > > but just you try resisting.. ;)
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy <
>> x...@colorshopvfx.dk>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We
>> had
>> > >> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after
>> upgrading
>> > >> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
>> > >> versions.
>> > >>
>> > >> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
>> > >> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote
>> support.
>> > >>
>> > >> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows
>> files(!) but
>> > >> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage
>> takes
>> > >> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
>> > >> granted) G
>> > >>
>> > >> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that
>> not
>> > >> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their
>> corporate
>> > >> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
>> > >>
>> > >> Morten
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 

Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain]

i don't understand why so many users of softimage have , it seems from your
posts here,
turned to Maya, which, if less easy to understand, is yet positively
evolving it's tools, that's why i say AD is good

AD is something like a gentle farmer of the 3d tools.

yet it is a US farmer, which means it is an industry.

if users turn to Maya, it's from being 'encouraged' to do so by their
bosses in the 3d industry

now why has the industry faltered during the years 2000 between XSI and
Maya, and finally chosen Maya,
i might be given counter-argument to that, but I think ''Disney'' (who
creates the standards, who is the most creative, being a big industrial
farmer)
got threatened by the upheaval from the underground which came along with
non-''Disney'' actors, like the music video scenes and popularisation of
nodes and mudboxes
all over the planet, just in a time where it has been decided the Marvel DC
comic should change the way Hollywood targets the whole planet.

about Nasa, the Nazi scientists from defeated Germany went hired by Nasa in
the rocket launchers competition against Stalin etc.

(there is a famous underground cult-book by Thomas Pynchon who elaborates
on the tight (sexual?)  relation between US and Nazi, 'Gravity Rainbow.
Laurie Anderson wanted to turn this book into an opera)

given the destruction in Syria at this time, or for example in Vietnam
before, and the industrial farms, and the roles of narratives and images in
advertising and colonization of non-US realities, and arts,
i think it is fair to say that i, poor individual, alone, not  charismatic
leader not wanting to influence anyone into my views, think that AD is a
mix of good, and evil.

it is good, because they can be helpful, and can be innovative, if your on
the right side of their story, and even if not, because, at least up to
this moment,
Maya can be rented by middle class directors doing research in digital
painting and 3D. yet, if nothing changes, if Trump gets re-elected in 2020,
soon the best tools will only be available for those hired by the "Disney"
farms,
while poor individuals, non charismatic, will be given a text-to-speech
processor and a facebook page to post memes.





2018-03-15 10:55 GMT+01:00 Morten Bartholdy :

> How is Nasa evil?
>
> AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.
>
> Morten
>
>
>
> > Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain <
> arc.ann...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> > I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
> >
> > 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :
> >
> > > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and push
> > > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is
> there to
> > > help you.
> > > but just you try resisting.. ;)
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy <
> x...@colorshopvfx.dk>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
> > >> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after
> upgrading
> > >> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
> > >> versions.
> > >>
> > >> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
> > >> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote
> support.
> > >>
> > >> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!)
> but
> > >> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage
> takes
> > >> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
> > >> granted) G
> > >>
> > >> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that
> not
> > >> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their
> corporate
> > >> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> > >>
> > >> Morten
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable <
> > >> sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network
> license
> > >> > (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed
> for
> > >> > several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even
> the
> > >> old
> > >> > licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
> > >> >
> > >> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sven
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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Re: ADSK *can* be very helpful :)

[Morten Bartholdy]

How is Nasa evil?

AD is US corporate greed, perhaps not at its worst, but bad as they come.

Morten



> Den 14. marts 2018 klokken 12:47 skrev Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain 
> :
> 
> 
> I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil
> 
> 2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :
> 
> > well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and push
> > you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is there to
> > help you.
> > but just you try resisting.. ;)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
> >> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading
> >> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
> >> versions.
> >>
> >> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
> >> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
> >>
> >> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but
> >> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes
> >> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
> >> granted) G
> >>
> >> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not
> >> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate
> >> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
> >>
> >> Morten
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable <
> >> sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license
> >> > (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed for
> >> > several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the
> >> old
> >> > licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
> >> >
> >> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sven
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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[Nicole Beeckmans-Jacqmain]

I see AD a bit like the Nasa, it's a mix of good,  and evil

2018-03-14 10:13 GMT+01:00 Mirko Jankovic :

> well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and push
> you to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is there to
> help you.
> but just you try resisting.. ;)
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy 
> wrote:
>
>> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
>> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading
>> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
>> versions.
>>
>> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person
>> actually called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
>>
>> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but
>> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes
>> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
>> granted) G
>>
>> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not
>> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate
>> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
>>
>> Morten
>>
>>
>>
>> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable <
>> sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>:
>> >
>> >
>> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license
>> > (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed for
>> > several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the
>> old
>> > licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
>> >
>> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sven
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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[Mirko Jankovic]

well once they take your money and lock you up in subscription and push you
to buy software that they think you need, then sure support is there to
help you.
but just you try resisting.. ;)

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Morten Bartholdy 
wrote:

> I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had
> stupid issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading
> FlexLM (the pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya
> versions.
>
> I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person actually
> called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.
>
> The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but
> eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes
> ages to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens
> granted) G
>
> I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not
> everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate
> policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.
>
> Morten
>
>
>
> > Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable <
> sixsi_l...@imagefront.de>:
> >
> >
> > just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license
> > (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed for
> > several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the old
> > licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
> >
> > Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sven
> >
> >
> >
> >
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I have absolutely!! no love for AD but I will chime in on this. We had stupid 
issues with getting our new Maya licenses working after upgrading FlexLM (the 
pile of crap) which was required for running newer Maya versions.

I reported the issue and the next day a AD license support person actually 
called me on the phone and resolved the issue via remote support.

The solution was horribly stupid and involved fixing windows files(!) but 
eventually it worked. A negative sideeffect was that now Softimage takes ages 
to start up (probably because it takes a long time to get licens granted) G

I was surprised and pleased about the call, and it goes to show that not 
everything is bad at AD. It doesn't change my dislike of their corporate 
policies and software offerings though. Maya is still crap.

Morten



> Den 12. marts 2018 klokken 20:02 skrev Sven Constable 
> :
> 
> 
> just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license
> (softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed for
> several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the old
> licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
> 
> Problem solved in minutes. I wouldn't have expect this, really.
> 
>  
> 
> Sven
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just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license 
(softimage 2011)  was not listed in my account. It was not listed for several 
years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the old licenses to a 
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just contacted ADSK support about the issue, that an old network license 
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> licenses to a new server, I contacted them via the online chat.
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several years btw and I didn't care but since I plan to move even the old
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