Re: [Softwires] Fragmentation in sdnat-02

2012-03-22 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Dear Gang, Thanks, but I failed to find the text describing how to handle two fragments received by two distinct BRs. Could you please point me to that text in case I miss it? Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : GangChen [mailto:phdg...@gmail.com] Envoyé : jeudi 22 mars 2012 08:33 À

Re: [Softwires] Fragmentation in sdnat-02

2012-03-22 Thread GangChen
Dear Med, Yes. There are no texts targeting to this topics. I mean we could leverage the consideration in 4rd-U to build a entry table. One more REDIRECTION action obviously should be added to the row of RESULTING ACTIONS. Any received fragment looking for conditions and execute a proper

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd…

2012-03-22 Thread Guanghui Yu
Hi all This mail raises a very important issue. MAP-T and MAP-E are not competing technologies. They have different user scenarios. I read 4rd-u draft and found it is flawed. I will not support the adoption of 4rd-u, since there is no running code and there is no experimental evaluation. In

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd…

2012-03-22 Thread Wojciech Dec
Hello Chairs, all In essence, while at a very high level all solutions appear to solve a common problem, just like all ducks look the same, some solve extra problems that are of critical importance to some operators, this forms the basis for the different approaches, and what led to the MAP draft

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd…

2012-03-22 Thread Jan Zorz @ go6.si
On 3/20/12 12:38 AM, Alain Durand wrote: Q1: Without pre-supposing which one will be selected, do you agree to publish 1 of the 3 proposals on the Standard Track and publish the other(s) as Informational if still asked to? If the answer is NO, then the process stops and we will publish

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rd…

2012-03-22 Thread Zhankao WEN
+1, support Best regards -- Name:Zhankao WEN(温占考) Email: w...@synet.edu.cn w...@mail.neu.edu.cn TelFax: +86-24-83687240 Address: Networking Center Northeastern University Shenyang Liaoning Province P.R. China (110819) - Original Message - From: Xing Li

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rdŠ

2012-03-22 Thread Rajiv Asati
I am disappointed with this approach. Despite the support, the WG adoption of MAP documents has been delayed for a label reason. I find it unfair since the label can be changed any time until the IESG review. How can it be a hold-up? One would have to wonder the intent of forming the design team

Re: [Softwires] MAP and 4rd - Relationship with Single translation

2012-03-22 Thread Xing Li
Hi, Remi, 于 2012/3/19 21:22, Rémi Després 写道: Hi, Xing, I look forward to face to face discussions in Paris if we don't clarify everything before that (I will be busy on something else in the next 3 days). Le 2012-03-18 à 23:39, Xing Li a écrit : ... A key point is that 4rd doesn't

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rdŠ

2012-03-22 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Guanghui, I agree that both MAP and 4rd-u are similar technology and solving the same problem. From technical perspective, can you elaborate this a lithe bit? Thanks, Yiu From: Guanghui Yu yu.guang...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:26:40 +0800 To: Softwires WG softwires@ietf.org

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-01.txt

2012-03-22 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Stig, DS-Lite was designed to deliver v4 unicast packets over v6-only network to v4 host. However when we started thinking about how to deliver multicast packets in the same network setup, we will have to tunnel all multicast packets over tunnels. This is very inefficient to use of AFTR. This

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-01.txt

2012-03-22 Thread Lee, Yiu
One more note. When we developed this draft, we focused on access network delivery. There is a mesh-multicast draft which also solve the same problem (i.e. Tunneling v4 mcast through v6-only network) in the core network. On 3/22/12 10:29 PM, Lee, Yiu yiu_...@cable.comcast.com wrote: Hi Stig,

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rdŠ

2012-03-22 Thread Guanghui Yu
Hi Yiu 4rd-u changes the IPv6 header architecture (redefine fragmentation header extension) and IPv6 address architecture (different meaning of u-bit when g-bit=1). These are the fundamental changes. If 4rd-u becomes the standard, then there will be new defined “IPv6” packets on the Internet,

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rdŠ

2012-03-22 Thread Lee, Yiu
Hi Guanghui, I have to admit that I am not IPv6 protocol expert. I guess Remi took the fragmentation header and overload it for his design. Say he defines a new extension called transition extension, I would guess it would no longer overload the fragmentation extension. I don't know enough the

Re: [Softwires] Path to move forward with 4rdŠ

2012-03-22 Thread Guanghui Yu
Hi all To define the transtion extension has the same problem, it still is a new packet for existing devices. 4rd-U cannot replace MAP-T, since it cannot support single translation. 4rd-U cannot replace MAP-E, since it cannot support IPv4 option. Therefore, it is no way for 4rd-U to