Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Dapeng, A state maintained in the endpoint does not make the solution stateful, see this excerpt from RFC1958: This principle has important consequences if we require applications to survive partial network failures. An end-to-end protocol design should not rely on the maintenance

Re: [Softwires] WG last call ondraft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread liu dapeng
I would prefer IETF more strict about what accurate terminology we are using other than favorite. At this moment this document go through working group last call which I have reviewed, and believe it should be Revised for not misleading other people. Thanks for your suggestion. Regards, Dapeng

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Behcet, I failed to understand the point you are trying to make. The current situations is: * this document provides multicast extension to deliver multicast to DS-Lite serviced customers * we rely on multicast capabilities, as such no AMT-like considerations are included * the proposed

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Re-, I was answering to your last proposed wording to include the port translation in the host. Except that change, all your proposed changes are included in my local copy: * The title has been updated as your requested * The introduction has been updated. Cheers, Med -Message

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread liu dapeng
Hello Med, Yes, we are almost converged on this final update. As you said here, there still need port translation in the host, that still state in the host. we need clarify that in this document for other readers. Best Regards, Dapeng Liu 2012/6/11, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-01

2012-06-11 Thread Wojciech Dec
On 9 June 2012 05:35, Qi Sun sunqi.csnet@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ole, In your previous Email you wrote, in MAP you do all of that with one single DHCPv6 option... IMHO, that's because the one DHCPv6 option contains so many KINDS of information (e.g. PSID, BR's prefix or address, see

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread liu dapeng
2012/6/11, Rémi Després despres.r...@laposte.net: Le 2012-06-11 à 09:32, liu dapeng a écrit : Hello Med, Yes, we are almost converged on this final update. As you said here, there still need port translation in the host, that still state in the host. Note that these states are

Re: [Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-map-00.txt

2012-06-11 Thread Rémi Després
Ole, Thank you for this update on what is meant by MAP today. Which parameters are advertised to CEs will be completely clear, I suppose, when the DHCPv6 document is also available, but the draft contains IMHO useful clarifications. Two immediate points: - Last sentence of page 8 is DNS64

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-01

2012-06-11 Thread mohamed.boucadair
Hi Yiu, Works for me. Thanks. Cheers, Med -Message d'origine- De : Lee, Yiu [mailto:yiu_...@cable.comcast.com] Envoyé : lundi 11 juin 2012 16:54 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed OLNC/NAD/TIP; liu dapeng Cc : softwires@ietf.org; Yong Cui Objet : Re: [Softwires] WG last call on

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Med, Thanks for your kind reply. I was talking about http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-softwire-dslite6rdmulticast-00 (which is now expired, I'll explain why below) Profiting the occasion, let me clarify that the chairs, Alain initially asked the two drafts to be merged. We favored

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-01

2012-06-11 Thread Peng Wu
Woj, On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Wojciech Dec wdec.i...@gmail.com wrote: There is basic question regarding this draft, one that has also been raised at previous WG meetings: why is it needed?. It's actually written in section 4 of the draft. There is a deeper issue here: This draft seems

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Stig Venaas
On 6/10/2012 11:15 PM, mohamed.boucad...@orange.com wrote: Hi Behcet, I failed to understand the point you are trying to make. The current situations is: * this document provides multicast extension to deliver multicast to DS-Lite serviced customers But not only DS-Lite. * we rely on

Re: [Softwires] WG last call on draft-ietf-softwire-dslite-multicast-02

2012-06-11 Thread Stig Venaas
On 6/11/2012 1:21 PM, Tina TSOU wrote: If we r looking for a generic encapsulation for multicast transition, here it is. http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tsou-softwire-encapsulated-multicast/ In a way, your draft is even more generic Tina. There are also some differences. You're talking

[Softwires] I-D Action: draft-ietf-softwire-stateless-4v6-motivation-02.txt

2012-06-11 Thread internet-drafts
A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Softwires Working Group of the IETF. Title : Motivations for Carrier-side Stateless IPv4 over IPv6 Migration Solutions Author(s) : Mohamed Boucadair