Re: Return Bends

2007-08-30 Thread Forestfwl
You would obviously NOT be responsible for anything that was accepted by the Building Official at ORIGINAL install. You WOULD be responsible for ensuring that any modifications to the existing system complied with the applicable codes. Forest Cherokee Fire I have a question that I think

film vault

2007-08-30 Thread Greg McGahan
It is my week for questions I guess; If Polyester film is stored in a concrete room called a vault by the owner inside small flat file metal cabinets that we would use for plan drawers under 8'; are we completely removed from the film vault criteria in 13 - 21.7 which is only for Nitrate

Pie Pans

2007-08-30 Thread David Autry
Okay, forum. I know pie pan heat collectors don't work and actually make it worse. My question, is there any documentation that I can get my hands on? David Autry Plans Examiner Nebraska State Fire Marshal's Office 246 S. 14th Street Lincoln, NE 68508 402-471-9659 402-471-3118 fax

RE: Sprinkler protection for shield effectiveness testing room

2007-08-30 Thread Ray Schmid
You can try a Google search for a company called Tempest, Inc. They publish a book called The Shielded Enclosure Handbook that gets into this in great detail. As an alternative, the client or end user (typically the Government or a Government contractor) may be able to furnish standard details

RE: Pie Pans

2007-08-30 Thread Mike Brown (TECH- GVL)
Yes, contact the AFSA and the NFSA. I believe that Roland Huggins did an article on it and I know Russ Fleming of the NFSA did one years ago. Mike Brown -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Autry Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 12:07 PM

RE: film vault

2007-08-30 Thread Greg McGahan
No, these are thin sheets of plastic. They are basically like drawings printed on plastic sheets and stored in the exact same cabinets most of us have about 7' tall. The drawings we have are for a pre-action system at .15 over the entire area using back to back sidewall sprinklers for most of the

6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread å... ....
finished a sprinkler system design. it was close to the 10% buffer, so the AHJ said, what if the fire department draws down too much water from the hydrants and we don´t have enough pressure? I say, does that mean you want a fire pump? He says, yes, I would prefer one. I say, i was not a good

RE: film vault

2007-08-30 Thread Todd Williams - work
If this is strictly a storage room (or vault), I would think it would need to be looked at as misc. storage. The question then is, what commodity classification? The OH1 curve only applies to Class I and II. At 03:23 PM 8/30/2007, you wrote: No, these are thin sheets of plastic. They are

RE: 6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
Our department requires a horn/strobe to be placed within 20-ft of the FDC connection regardless if on the building or remote. Approaching companies will see and possibly hear where the FDC is located if they don't already know where it is. This is only required if an FDC is present. Steven

Re: 6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread Ron Greenman
Scott, Many jurisdictions require a horn and strobe or an electric bell at the FDC location. If I were to guess my way back on this one I'd say it's because they are thinking of water motor gongs always being by the FDC in older buildings. They construe this to mean that the WMG's purpose was to

RE: film vault

2007-08-30 Thread Greg McGahan
Because it is not IF it is WHEN, When the plastic caught on fire I do not know what it would do. The files are not fire separated so when a fire started in one drawer I can envision the spread to other files very quickly and the cabinets themselves would shield the plastic from the sprinklers. I

RE: film vault

2007-08-30 Thread Craig.Prahl
Depending on the value of these films an FM 200 may be a better choice because it could penetrate into the drawers? (Just a thought, not trying to over analyze or anything.) Craig L. Prahl, CET Fire Protection Group Mechanical Department CH2MHILL Lockwood Greene 1500 International Drive PO Box

Re[2]: 6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread Charles Thurston
Hello Craig, Most of em on the beach want FDC signs AT the connection, If the FDC is not visible from the street they want a FDC sign stating which side it is on. One of the areas requires you to buy the sign from them ($20.00), Their sign is reflective and states the type of system on it.

RE: 6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread Ed Kramer
I assume the sprinkler design included the appropriate hose stream allowance. If the fire department needs to draw more water than 100/250/500 gpm, the sprinkler system likely has already failed. OK, lets say you install a fire pump and design the system to 10% of the supply curve. How's that

RE: 6 degrees of separation-- making the FDC

2007-08-30 Thread John Drucker
The 2006 IBC Section 912 provides the requisite requirements for 1) Interconnection, 2) Visible Location, 3) Location 4) Signage. NFPA-13 (2002) 6.9.1 and 6.9.3 provides the requirement for the waterflow alarm. The AHJ is the approving authority, NFPA-13 (2002) 3.2.1 and 3.2.2. The NJ

Re: Sprinkler protection for shield effectiveness testing room

2007-08-30 Thread Thom McMahon
Shielding Has become a very generic term, and seems to be applied to every thing from, Radio waves, Radar, Magnetic fields, EMP's and more. You'll need to know the specific type of testing they perform, and what they want to prevent from happening. Then you can approach this with more specific