Automatic WON fire doors at egress stairwells that have standpipe systems?

2011-10-14 Thread Allan Seidel
perhaps there is an established way to do this. Thank you, Allan Seidel St. Louis, MO -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/private/sprinklerforum/attachments/20111014/e42d977d/attachment.h

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread George Church
orum> > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NF

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2011-10-14 Thread George Church
sed state. Or have Ken Wagoner call them on your behalf - that's often entertaining, at least. Steve L. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum -- next part -- An HTML attachmen

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2011-10-14 Thread lamarvaughn
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2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
ire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC

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2011-10-14 Thread Ford, Charles
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2011-10-14 Thread drbryan123
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2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
tion Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC

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2011-10-14 Thread lamarvaughn
OK,so you would be considered one of the good guys.But believe me,if you get an inspector who is as far off the mark as the one described in the situation that started this thread,you just have to hold your breath and hope he doesn't come up with something even worse than telling you that you h

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Matsuda, Richard
As an AHJ and a professional engineer, I have so many people to thank for my education and experiences...many who are/were sprinkler contractors or pipe fitters who were willing to take the time and effort to patiently explain the mysteries of fire sprinklers to me. Those old guys really knew their

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Matsuda, Richard
As an AHJ and a professional engineer, I have so many people to thank for my education and experiences...many who are/were sprinkler contractors or pipe fitters who were willing to take the time and effort to patiently explain the mysteries of fire sprinklers to me. Those old guys really knew their

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
Your first sentence, I agree 100%. For the rest however, it just may be me, but I think that any GOOD AHJ or Contractor would be willing and wanting to hear all points of perspective. There have been many times where I have called something out only to take a second look at it based on another pers

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
I do agree that the situation as its presented would dictate whether or not a rational approach to enlightenment is prudent. I wasn't there to watch the circles being drawn/measured on the floor. I wasn't able to read any body language and I didn't hear the conversations first hand. This inspector

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread lamarvaughn
Teachable moments can only occur when you have TWO willing parties.The person rejecting your installation is normally not interested in why you think he/she is wrong.If he/she wants your opinion,they will ask for it. Lamar Vaughn On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Steve Leyton wrote: I'd lik

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
e 1101 So. Yakima Ave. Tacoma, WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist,

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Steve Leyton
I'd like to basically second what Ron wrote earlier. But even from "your side of the counter", you have to appreciate that after a few years in the biz, some of us have developed a sense of what is and then again what is definitely NOT a teachable moment. Several years ago I got a call from a p

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
WA 98405 rgreen...@bates.ctc.edu http://www.bates.ctc.edu/fireprotection/ 253.680.7346 253.576.9700 (cell) Member: ASEE, SFPE, ASCET, NFPA, AFSA, NFSA, AFAA, NIBS, WSAFM, WFC They are happy men whose natures sort with their vocations. -Francis Bacon, essayist, phi

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
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2011-10-14 Thread ParsleyConsulting
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2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org > http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > -- Ron Greenman Instructor Fire Protection Engineering Technology Bates Technical College 1101 So. Yakima Av

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Mike Hill
While I understand the frustration factor of having to go through something like this, I disagree with John. If you can explain/teach in a civil manner and allow the inspector to see his mistake on his own, you may very well gain an ally on future projects. If that does not work, he always has a su

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ford, Charles
er.org > >http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 > 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 > _

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
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2011-10-14 Thread John O'Connor
The problem as I see it, is an inexperienced individual with no knowledge of what he is inspecting, has been put in a position of authority with the power to OK or reject our work. This is and always be unacceptable in the eyes of good sprinkler contractors. Is it our job to educate our overseers

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2011-10-14 Thread GAYLE KNOWLES
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2011-10-14 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
Quite honestly, I'm a bit disappointed with some of the responses from the "SME's" with this forum. It's easy to poke fun at someone behind closed doors. My guess is that most if not everyone here didn't know much more than this inspector when they first started in the business. I sure didn't. Be

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ron Greenman
all.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum > > > Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. > 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 > 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 > > -- next

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Ford, Charles
tinfo/sprinklerforum Vince Sabolik, West Tech Fire Protection, Inc. 11351 Pearl Road / Strongsville, Ohio 44136 440 238-4800 Fax 440 238-4876 -- next part --

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Matsuda, Richard
The circle method is applicable for checking smoke detector spacing. Since this inspector stated that "sprinklers are not his specialty"...he's probably doing what he thinks is correct based on his knowledge of smoke detectors. rick matsuda city of dallas -Original Message- From: sprinkle

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Vince Sabolik
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RE: Underground Main Pressure Test

2011-10-14 Thread George Church
We use a gas-powered test pump to pump these up normally, and from an AHJ side, I'd suggest requiring a test with hydrants closed. With hydrants open, there's an additional allowable leakage that benefits the installer, since new hydrants don't weep as fast as the allowance allows. We got a bad s

Underground Main Pressure Test

2011-10-14 Thread Bill Brooks
It's been many years since I've witnessed an underground pressure test. What is the current practice for testing a 1000+ ft length of underground? Positive displacement pump? How to measure the amount of water added? Any help would be appreciated. (All messages from George Church to the forum ge

Re: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread Todd Williams
Tell him the rooms were supposed to be circular to accommodate the sprinklers and the square walls were a change during construction. Maybe you can get an extra. The guy needs some serious education. It would be best coming from one of his peers. If not, find an FPE or someone similar to addres

RE: How would you address this?

2011-10-14 Thread George Church
Why not show him the spray patterns, someone must publish one. Or Show him the responses from your brethren, including at least one FPE. George L. Church, Jr., CET   Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842 877-324-ROWE   570-837-6335 fax g...@rowesprinkler.com -