RE: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

Rats. A nearly perfect forum satire sullied by a typo. Steve Original message From: "Reed A. Roisum, SET" Date: 9/27/16 8:25 PM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC Does "log-grade" mean worse than

RE: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

Does “log-grade” mean worse than finished lumber grade? Reed A. Roisum, SET | Karges-Faulconbridge, Inc. | Senior Fire Protection Designer | Fargo, ND | direct: 701.552.9903 | mobile: 701.388.1352 | KFIengineers.com From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun..

RE: Power Line Clearance?

National Electrical Safety Code C.Clearances of wires, conductors, cables, and rigid live parts from buildings, signs, billboards, chim¬neys, radio and television antennas, tanks, and other installations except bridges 1.Vertical and horizontal clearances a.

RE: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

Mark: Most of us would give up your reputation unconditionally. Your pal, Steve PS: Steve Muncy – you are retiring and cannot admonish me for this off-topic, log-grade character attack because you no longer have jurisdiction and we both know I’ve done WAY worse in the past. From: Sprinklerfo

Re: Power Line Clearance?

I'm having been the AHJ rep who'd have gotten this call I assure you I would not have given you a clearance number. If I'd done good work and been ahead of the curve, I would have said "this came up early in review. The architect has the answers. Here is their number." This is a specialized wo

RE: Power Line Clearance?

What a stellar professional. It’s not the sprinkler contractor’s job to locate equipment on a site and do all the Code research on setbacks and separations. How is it being coordinated with site prep and structural? Who is assuring the soil conditions are suitable and stable and who’s designin

Re: Power Line Clearance?

Thank everyone for your input, have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow AM with owner, GS, and EOR, hopefully get it resolved. -Original Message- From: edkvining To: sprinklerforum Sent: Tue, Sep 27, 2016 2:52 pm Subject: RE: Power Line Clearance? Your Public Utilities Commi

Re: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

I would give up my reputation from 40 years in the industry if they would just stop changing the numbers! Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 Sent from my iPad On Sep 26, 2016, at 7:08 PM, rongreenman . mailto:rongreen...@gmail.com>> wrote: You're expecting an NFPA document to have an index that makes

Re: Double soffits

EC? On Tuesday, September 27, 2016, Ben Young wrote: > And that's what I get for not double checking the code... Thanks for the > heads up cliff! So to use the beam rule I would have to move my head over > to the next tile and then I would be more than 7'-6" away from the > centerline of the lar

RE: Power Line Clearance?

If this were the East coast or West coast or a major city I would agree with you as to the code official’s. This is central Pennsyltucky they tend to do thing a little differently around these parts. The direct quote from the EOR on the project was “you’re the sprinkler guys, I drew it where the

RE: Power Line Clearance?

Have you contacted the Local Building and Fire Code officials? It’s doubtful the tank erector is going to know or be concerned about that. He’s probably assuming the Engineer of Record has already reviewed the location based on Codes and regulatory requirements. Has a permit been granted for th

Re: Double soffits

And that's what I get for not double checking the code... Thanks for the heads up cliff! So to use the beam rule I would have to move my head over to the next tile and then I would be more than 7'-6" away from the centerline of the larger obstruction. It's going to look weird having only two heads

RE: Power Line Clearance?

Your Public Utilities Commission might respond quicker then the utility Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Richard Mote Date: 09/27/2016 8:16 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Power Line Clearance?

RE: Double soffits

Ben, The soffit has to be next to a ‘wall’ for you to be able to use the “soffit obstruction rule”. Since you’ve stated that it ‘in the middle of the sanctuary’, you can’t apply this rule and will need sprinklers under the soffit unless you can comply with the distances allowed in the ‘beam

Re: Power Line Clearance?

Richard, I would start with the tank installer. Even if the tank is OK to be that close, can they erect it with the power lines there? Benjamin Young On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 11:16 AM, Richard Mote wrote: > We have a project where we are installing a 24’ tall x 12’ dia. water > storage tank f

Re: Cloud computing for NFPA standards

Ryan, Unfortunately, NFPA realized that this was too good of a deal for code access, so they now force you to use their ebook app and pay book-level prices for this... I still access my NFPA 13 2010 app all the time, but its quickly becoming too far out of date for me. Benjamin Young On Tue, S

Power Line Clearance?

We have a project where we are installing a 24' tall x 12' dia. water storage tank for a fire pump. The question has come up. Is there a minimum clearance requirement for adjacent power lines? Where would I go to look up that dimension. We have contacted the utility company in question but so fa

Double soffits

This is a new one for me... I have two soffits next to each other in the middle of a sanctuary. If you look at the attached screen cap, one is labeled A and the other is B. Now B is less than 30" deep and I can throw water underneath it with the head in the drop ceiling using the soffit obstructi

RE: Cloud computing for NFPA standards

NFPA also has mobile apps available, I purchased 13-2010 for $10 on my iPhone. I prefer the app over searching the PDF because any table or other section is linked when referenced. Their selection of single code books is limited but they also have an eLibrary app that can access any ebook you h

Re: Cloud computing for NFPA standards

Set up a Dropbox account. Put the PDF copies of standards on your Dropbox. Then I can access copies of standards right in a meeting or anytime. It has served me well over the years. As an outside design firm, embracing cloud computing via the full versions of Dropbox has been a game changer.

Re: Cloud computing for NFPA standards

Travis, Bingo...I use Microsoft One Drive, go one step further and print selected pages to PDF, say the list of stuff required on plans, name it "NFPA13 Stuff Required on Plans" and save it to my cloud library. Makes it quick and easy to find common stuff and print just that page. John Drucker

Re: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

Hello Steve, I have hard copy for my main uses, Carry the PDFs on a thumb drive with me so if I really need to find something while I am out, Any computer will let me. Tuesday, September 27, 2016, 9:41:02 AM, you wrote: > > > > I'm still stubbornly analog and prefer to use the traditiona

RE: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

I'm still stubbornly analog and prefer to use the traditional hard copy. This is a pretty good reason to take the PDF for a test drive I suppose. Steve Original message From: Charles Thurston Date: 9/27/16 5:58 AM (GMT-08:00) To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subjec

Re: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

Hello Tom, I just did a search in the PDF for "Floor Control Valve Assemblies" I came up in 8.4.2 as the only location on the whole phrase. Then a search on "Floor Control Valve" came up with : 8.16.1.1.2.2 Floor control valves in high-rise buildings and valves controlling flow to sprinklers in

Re: Question for any member of Installation Sub-TC

> On Sep 26, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Steve Leyton wrote: > > That’s my question – has it been rescinded? Didn’t see it anywhere else in > the standard but figured it was worth a question … > > SL > > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Jo