http://pagingdrgupta.blogs.cnn.com/2010/12/07/study-flame-retardant-found-in-small-butter-sample/?hpt=C2
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I would like to see how his product liability policy is written,
given the shrapnel.
At 05:15 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
FWIW as a firefighter I did see something similar put out a stove fire once.
Chris
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For one, so that there is no or little surge in pressure when the
fire pump kicks in
At 03:06 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
I'm not used to buildings where there's nothing in it that will
leave a huge smoking crater so got a question.
8 story office building, need to meet the 100 psi requirement
I'm working on the design for the ceiling mount and the combination
tamper switch/discharge alarm. There's my ticket out.
It covers a 10x10 area and has to be replaced every 3 years. Plenty
of easy work for the masses. Yee ha!
At 12:11 PM 12/6/2010, you wrote:
I'm ready to retire. The enti
Has anyone sent this to the home builders association yet?
At 01:54 PM 12/4/2010, you wrote:
Hello Ron,
Very nice.
Friday, December 3, 2010, 9:59:34 PM, you wrote:
> Hey kids. Fun! Fun! Fun!
> New Game - Residential Fire Sprinkler Challenge
> The Minnesota State Fire Marshal Division has j
It could, but would need an FPE and possibly some fire modeling to
come up with a performance based design. Also, section 8.4.4.2 (NFPA
13 - 2002) states that open sprinklers shall be installed using the
same requirements as their automatic counterparts. That would
likewise need to be resolved.
08? Richard, you're good! I can't find anything before 09.
At 11:56 PM 12/2/2010, you wrote:
seems it came from you.. many many moons ago..
Todd Williams - FPDC to sprinklerforum
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In NFPA 13, under the section describing OH2 occupancies, they mention "
I have a note in my Outlook calendar to "Send request to 13 committee
re ordinary chemical plants". I think this came from a Forum post
many moons ago, but I can't find the reference in archives. Anybody
remember a discussion about this? My mind is mush.
Todd G. Williams, PE
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g the entire
length parallel to the peak, but in the middle on each side a
corridor goes both directions...everythign else is easy but this part.
On 12/2/2010 5:13 PM, Todd Williams wrote:
What kind of structure is the exposed part? How wide is the opening
to the peak? Full 20" or does th
What kind of structure is the exposed part? How wide is the opening
to the peak? Full 20" or does the 20 ft include the lower ceiling area?
At 05:46 PM 12/2/2010, you wrote:
The situations is this:
Preface - I have already exhausted the "you can't because" in trying
to convince him to run tw
I have not heard of an engineer that will just stamp a drawing for a fee to
get some extra money and make something "legit". I'm sure there are some out
there somewhere, but all PE's I know will only do what they are qualified
for and will not jeopardize their reputation or their career.
Bobb
In CT, you can get a "Designer's License" if you have a NICET III or
IV. That allows you to stamp shop drawings, but not design documents.
Those need to be done by a PE. In the case of a design-build project,
should a PE or designer stamp the shop drawings? A PE because someone
has to determine
I've done a couple of plumbing supply places and they were all Group
A plastic. No way to segregate products.
At 07:06 AM 12/2/2010, you wrote:
Your question only asked about Class, but other factors are important.
I think this would be designed for Group A plastics because you haven't
provid
You could always try to 6 vic elbow thingy.
At 04:55 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote:
Hello sprinklerforum,
I have it figured my about straight run of 900 feet of 6"
Schedule 40 pipe on a Horizontal Manual Dry Standpipe is going to
get about 5.5 inches longer due to thermal expansion. What have m
I think Cliff is right on with his analysis, assuming the the plywood
is not fire retardant and the purlins are solid. My question is does
the hat channel compromise the 160 cuft volume? Is there insulation
on top of the sheetrock that would cover the openings caused by the channel?
At 03:21
me that this is very obvious
and he's asking for something that is just causing downtime on the
project and wasted time in my office. Anyway, just blowing off steam.
Thanks.
BK
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The concept of the "tree side of the grid" could perhaps be better
explained by calling the lines outboard of the grid outriggers. In
your situation, you have a remote area with 7 sprinklers per line.
There are 4 sprinklers on the outrigger in your situation. This means
the first piece of the l
In a permutation the order matters, in a combination the order
doesn't matter (technically, it should be a permutation lock). Class dismissed.
As Cliff said, go buy a gun or a fishing rod and have at it.
BTW, was the gallon of milk at rest?
At 05:32 PM 11/18/2010, you wrote:
Thanks Cliff, yo
FWIW, In the early to mid 80's, the company I was working for was
asked to look at a room with an extremely corrosive environment (I
believe OH2 occupancy). Galvanized pipe would rot in approximately 9
months. We were asked for a solution. This new stuff had come on the
market called CPVC. Alth
The CNN report says the scaffolding caught fire (looks like bamboo
from the photo) and spread into the building.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/15/china.building.fire/index.html?hpt=T2
At 11:59 AM 11/15/2010, you wrote:
A 30-story apartment building in Shanghai has completely burned
y
two measurements? When the diffuser is on the ceiling, I would take it as
"downward discharge" even though a diffuser is designed to flow outwards. Is
that correct?
Tony
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13R (2002) Table 6.6.7.1.5.3 lists minimum distances for sprinklers
from potential heat sources. Are these horizontal distances or
distances in any direction?
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BTW, what kind of sprinkler are you going to specify that includes a
blast-resistant element?
At 05:02 PM 11/11/2010, you wrote:
Understood but if they're telling you they want a white unicorn, ask
them where you can get one.
The engineer should have some knowledge of who manufactures or
eng
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reduce then increase pipe sizes I am working on
an existing system where we have to tie in a
new 2-1/2" main into an existing 3". Since they
do not make a 3x2-1/2 mechanica
I am working on an existing system where we have to tie in a new
2-1/2" main into an existing 3". Since they do not make a 3x2-1/2
mechanical tee, that option is out. My proposal is to utilize an
existing plugged 2" outlet, install a 2 x 0-6 TxG nipple and then
increase to 2-1/2". It works hydr
Cliff,
Chris is on the right track. There is nothing I know of that provides
"blast protection" for sprinkler systems. The impact loading of a
blast is probably a lot more severe than an earthquake and what we
normally use might not do much of anything. The EOR needs to provide
you with speci
yed answer to last week's thread?
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Subject: Re: CPVC quest
And the question is?
At 11:25 AM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
Harvel CPVC is allowed in exposed construction with the following
limitations:
PENDENT SPRINKLERS Light hazard or Residential
1.Installed below a smooth, flat, horizontal ceiling construction
2. Require
Of course that assumes a continuous run of 200 ft. The inclusion of
cast iron screwed or grooved fittings may have an impact
At 10:52 AM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
Carbon steel: expansion = 6.7 x 10^-6 x L. x delta T.
Example: 200 feet of steel pipe installed at 30 degrees F and
raised t
I did a pilot spec for an inner city housing project where I included
institutional products (no sprinks, just alarms and FE cabinets). But
then there were twice as many murders in that project as there were
in the county I live in that year.
At 09:55 AM 11/10/2010, you wrote:
Yep it is a f
"The GC tried to hang the sprinkler contractor but the contractor kept"
Is this why they have the additional 250# in the hanger requirements"
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Get and extra milk crate and take the 2.
At 08:35 AM 11/3/2010, you wrote:
Sounds good, I've got both a 1 & 2 volume set. Thinking I should be safe
just to take the single?
Brian Harris
FDFP Inc.
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And don't forget to put index tabs on your references and take a
dictionary with you.
What are they going to do when al this stuff is on our iPads?
At 06:39 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote:
Same here, Brian. Of course I'm so old that when I took it with me
it was only one volume, not two.
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At 06:32 PM 11/2/2010, you wrote:
You better be careful, the AFSA A Team van may soon be parked
outside your house..
Another benefit of AFSA membership is that you dont have to wear a
dunce cap at the convention.
Once you get through the initiation of having to wear a fez and sing
songs..
Explain that 2007 is nothing but a big TIA for 2002, maybe that will switch
on the light bulb.
I don't think I want to go down that path, especially with this guy.
Who knows what kind of a precedent that could set. Remember where we
are starting from
Todd G. Williams, PE
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Subject: RE: Mechanical closet obstruction
Probably to justify his job.
It is a 13R build
r the most floor space (1/2 of
2.222REALLY???)and get enough water bouncing around this spce till
it finds the fire. :)
And BTW,be sure to keep the head a minimum of 4" off the wall . oh
yea,you only HAVE 4".
Lamar Vaughn
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obstructed construction.
Tony
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Subject: RE: Mechanical closet obstruction
Existing
into
the corner,then place the sprinkler in the opposite,leaving 8" clear on
2 sides.You can maintain the 4" min. off the wall and cover ALL the
clear space in the room.Right?
Lamar Vaughn
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Todd Williams wrote:
> This is under the 2002 code and they
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Subject: Mechanical closet obstruction
I know this was referenced in another post, but I can't find it so
I'
I know this was referenced in another post, but I can't find it so
I'm starting a new thread.
A 2' x 2' mechanical closet. The unit is mounted on the floor and a
16" x 16" plenum comes off the top and runs up through the ceiling at
roughly the center of the room (approximately 4" clearance on
At 150% flow, are you going to be drawing the suction pressure down too low?
At 05:25 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote:
Rahe and Charles thinking along the same line. But so what to their point.
Code doesn't ask for a supply calc. Don't do one. Code says system demand *
time. You've done that, end o
If it is open to the building interior, why would you not protect it?
At 03:17 PM 10/26/2010, you wrote:
We have a new metal building that is being built such that the roof
overlaps an existing metal roof therefore leaving an uninhabited,
non-combustible, triangular shaped space that is open t
I am working on an old mill building where the wet, pipe schedule
system is being converted to dry. Most of the space is vacant but
there are a couple of spaces with storage of old equipment, desks,
etc. Mostly metal and wood with very little, if any, plastics. The
storage is no higher than 6 f
Is the building one story or two?
At 09:09 AM 10/22/2010, you wrote:
Quick question about remote area's; I know I read somewhere that the size of
the remote area does not take into account walls, etc. What's the best way
to handle separate distinct rooms or major elevation changes? I'm working
I am designing a system for a loading dock. The roof is a joisted
pitched roof with the high point at 22 ft (against the building) and
16 ft at the outer edge. The beam supporting the roof (8x6 solid
wood) at the outer end is approximately 1.5 ft inboard of the end,
leaving a small overhang bey
It looks like the next release of Autosprink will be able to convert
the objects and eliminate this problem. Ya baby!
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Any restriction on the number of outlets on a piece of pipe (21')?
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e object enablers no longer work, what else can you do?
Benjamin Young
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Todd Williams wrote:
> Is there a program, either stand alone or as an add in, that can explode
> the blocks created in Autocad Architecture or Autocad Mechanical?
They don't
>
Is there a program, either stand alone or as an add in, that can
explode the blocks created in Autocad Architecture or Autocad
Mechanical? They don't directly convert well to standard Autocad or Autosprink.
Todd G. Williams, PE
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The article looks like it has been removed. Could it be one of those
pesky IES's? (Improvised Exploding Sprinklers)
At 01:52 PM 10/16/2010, you wrote:
You really have to hand it to the LSU newspaper. Their writers
are getting a good start on being as absolutely clueless as their
profession
Another case of an IES (improvised exploding sprinkler) and an FHO
model at that..
At 08:45 AM 10/18/2010, you wrote:
That durn sprinkler just up and BUSTED! You gots to watch for them
thare explodin' sprinklers!
Good night, what a delightfully eloquent piece of journalism!
Not only do
It is not you (in this case). Which is why several states allow the
local officials to only enforce the Code, not modify it.
There was a town in Turkey several years ago that found out from
geologists that a major fault line runs through the town. They were
told that they could be subject to s
Charles,
Thanks a lot. I thought they must be pretty thick. That puts it over
the threshold of being considered a Group A plastic despite what is
in them (per 13). Hope that wasn't the drum where you kept your
pre-mixed antifreeze solution.
T
At 01:45 PM 10/15/2010, you wrote:
Hello Todd,
Does anybody know off hand what the wall thickness of a standard blue
plastic 55 gallon drum is? I don't have access to one and I need to
determine a system for storage of n/c liquids in plastic drums. How
about plastic 275 gallon totes?
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
S
Were the split rig hangers listed? (Assuming NFPA means "UL listed"
by the word "listed". Otherwise, if you bought them on Craigslist,
you could say they were "listed" and it would meet the letter of the Standard)
At 09:30 AM 10/12/2010, you wrote:
I was driving down the highway the other
w" config. And you calc. them separately. I.E.
900Sf LH/OH QR below, and appropriate area density above.
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Since we are talking about this sort of thing, I will hijack this
thread for something similar.
I am about to start on a project that has a somewhat similar
situation that I would appreciate some feedback on. This is an
existing facility and the company manufactures medical devices. There
is
Two sprinklers on top of each other and each is flowing 26 gpm?
At 03:14 PM 10/6/2010, you wrote:
Is that the actual discharge, or the minimum set to the head. If
it is the actual, you are just hitting the head with just over 40 psi.
If not, you may have a typo some where getting you 260 s
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Cr
Craig,
If the hydrant is installed on the supply side, wouldn't you have to
include that in your hydraulic calculations? A hose stream would be
taken from there as that could impact the final output of the pump,
which could in turn impact the pump sizing. It may not affect the
flow but it cou
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Is there any place on the system to take a hose demand?
At 03:54 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote:
>Is it actually a private separate water supply, or just a private wa
Is there any place on the system to take a hose demand?
At 03:54 PM 10/5/2010, you wrote:
Is it actually a private separate water supply, or just a private water main
that is ultimately fed from a public utility source?
Jeff Hewitt, PE, SET, SFPE (Professional Member)
Corporate Engineer
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Thom,
With all due respect, that schtick won't work. First of all, there is
no exception as the local authority can only enforce the Code and not
modify it. Second, the super didn't say the canopy didn't require
sprinklers, but that he was not going to install them.
It is a much more hostile
I'm assuming you mean Fire Marshal and not Factory Mutual rep. Is he
a deputy or the main guy? Can his decisions be appealed to the state?
"Ignorance is only bliss for the ignorant"
At 03:45 PM 10/4/2010, you wrote:
I have a FM that is rejecting our plans because of the following "The
hydraul
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> Subject: Soffit width
>
> How wide does a soffit hav
How wide does a soffit have to be before you need to start thinking
about putting sprinklers below? I think that's in there somewhere,
but right now I'm too burned out and can't find it.
Todd G. Williams, PE
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Much steeper and the totes will go sliding across the floor. 8-)
At 03:11 PM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
The building slope should not exceed 2/12
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Seems like there could be some serious liability
issues with this. personally, I would steer clear
without a wet well or something similar.
At 08:43 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
Not something I'm proud of, but did this twice.
Routine painting - think they empty the hotel or have a fire watch?
H
I would think stainless steel exhaust parts would create a fairly
heavy pallet load. How heavy are the cardboard and plastic containers
that they can support 2 high when open topped?
At 07:59 AM 9/24/2010, you wrote:
I believe you're back to determining the weight 5 of plastic vrs a Class I
c
Develop a thick skin- you'll need it in this game..
Or you'll end up with white hair and be drooling oatmeal by the time
you're ready for your NICET IV. 8-)
Todd G. Williams, PE
Fire Protection Design/Consulting
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860.535.2080
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Simultaneous fires in an industrial building and/or warehouse, plus
in an airport hanger could add up to a large demand. Or even two
hangers. Any domestic or other draw off this system besides fire?
What you are trying to design is similar to a municipal water system
and those demand would be l
But if there is a change in occupancy?
At 10:19 AM 9/16/2010, you wrote:
Although within his authority the AHJ is being unreasonable to require
the calcs. If minor modification is being done to pipe schedule
systems than the pipe schedule should apply and your new work just
needs to fit the sch
tupid question?
Greg
On 9/15/2010 10:57 AM, Todd Williams wrote:
Maybe your cell mate, Dominick "The Hammer", could caddy for you.
At 11:28 AM 9/15/2010, you wrote:
a-strip you of your assets
b-put u in jail
any questions?
glc
Not having any assets worth taking, I'
Maybe your cell mate, Dominick "The Hammer", could caddy for you.
At 11:28 AM 9/15/2010, you wrote:
a-strip you of your assets
b-put u in jail
any questions?
glc
Not having any assets worth taking, I'm looking for a new retirement plan,
so I have a question:
Would that be one of thos
Rhetorical question. Is there any info on flammability of
bio-plastics vs. petroleum based plastics?
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I can't speak for everybody, but I would need to see more research.
Is there a heat threshold where the anti-freeze become a problem?
Would paper and wood be OK, but plastics and flammable liquids not?
At 09:43 AM 9/15/2010, you wrote:
How do you all feel about continuing to utilize antifreez
If two occupancies are separated by a barrier which has the fire
rating listed in the IBC, would this qualify as "being considered by
the Code as two separate buildings"? Does it matter if it is a
horizontal or vertical separation? This has to do with sprinklering a
mixed use building; can we u
I don't have a specific answer, but you might want to look at the FM
Global Data Sheet that covers ESFR. There might be something there.
At 11:51 AM 9/14/2010, you wrote:
Cmon' guys help a brutha out..
Brian Harris
FDFP Inc.
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I always include a prominent note on the drawing
stating that the occupancy of this building is
not to exceed whatever the density is. A separate
letter to the GC and/or owner may likewise be
appropriate. Could be a potential liability issue if not well documented.
At 02:12 PM 9/12/2010, yo
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Subject: RE: Hangers and wood truss - again
This is being dictated by the engineer for the
Littleton, CO
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idence?
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Todd Williams wrote:
> Did you consult on an apartment project in eastern CT about 2 months ago?
> This sounds very familiar.
>
>
> At 04:24 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> You, the sprinkler guy, have to prove that. And if insuffici
Did a rehab on an FM ESFR job where the battery charging area was
beneath a large duct. Their recommendation was to put ESFR sprinklers below it.
At 10:39 AM 9/9/2010, you wrote:
Charging, if done with "approved" equipment is a pretty
straightforward use. The equipment is required by electr
Did you consult on an apartment project in eastern CT about 2 months
ago? This sounds very familiar.
At 04:24 PM 9/8/2010, you wrote:
You, the sprinkler guy, have to prove that. And if insufficient, you,
the sprinkler guy, are expected to make it work. After all it's YOUR
pipes (not the owner'
To quote Clint Eastwood, "you gotta ask yourself, punk, do you feel lucky?"
I wouldn't go near it, except to prepare a list of recommendations to
bring it up to Code.
At 11:05 AM 8/31/2010, you wrote:
I have a client with a retrofit fire pump in a 14 story building with
automatic satndpipe
just moved into their new church we sprinklered after 29
years in their "temporary" sanctuary. Nuff said?
glc
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010
If a pallet touches the ground, it's storage? Difficult to police in real life.
At 08:26 AM 8/30/2010, you wrote:
"..not ever stored.." means they are NEVER placed there for any
reason ever. I have had the pleasure of playing semantics with
those who will say, "they are STAGED, not stored",
Judgement, judgement, judgement. Nobody is going to tell you a time.
Something can sit on a dock for 30 seconds and start a fire.
I would think the line would be crossed if the commodity is a)
unattended at any point, or b) something that is not immediately be
staged to put into or take out of
90 year old system, 250 ft long building. Have to remove about 1/2 of
branch lines and re-do riser nipples and cut riser to pitch main.
Messing with an old system can be a recipe for disaster. If you did
one for every pipe size, this would require 8-10 drum drips, which
could be made up in the
quot; or similar instead of relying on a gravity drain for some
dry systems. I know 13 doesn't allow it, but it seems like a good idea
to me.
On 8/27/2010 6:17 AM, Todd Williams wrote:
> I am working on a project in a vacant building where the owner wants
> to convert the existing w
Aren't all check valves one way?
At 01:10 PM 8/27/2010, you wrote:
While the 581 is FM approved it is not UL, which really isn't an important
distinction, except that the 581 "Globe Check" has a very small resilient
ring surface to seal against, and if you're having this many problems I'd
swi
I am working on a project in a vacant building where the owner wants
to convert the existing wet system to dry. The branch lines are
adequately pitched, but the main isn't. Is there a way to install a
series of drum drips to satisfactorily drain the main? I was thinking
if one drain was install
Mongol Hoards is my personal favorite
At 11:20 AM 8/26/2010, you wrote:
Wolves at the door
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From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Sent: Thu Aug 26 11:15:50 2010
Subject: RE: Court Strikes Down Pennsylvania
Builders
There was a fire house built across the line in RI a few years back
(pre The Station) and sprinklers were not installed for similar
reasons. Must be contagious. Maybe they are required to sleep in
flame retardant Dr. Dentin's (I'm not that old; I've read about them)
At 10:13 AM 8/23/2010, you
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