RE: 2007 12.2.1 Small hose stations

2012-06-11 Thread RFletcher
But there is an allowance for a performance based design and/or new technology. The AHJ could approve a performance based design using current FM data sheets or 2010 NFPA #13 requirements. Ron Fletcher Aero Automatic Phoenix, AZ -Original Message- From:

RE: 2007 12.2.1 Small hose stations

2012-06-11 Thread George Church
You could add a system of heat or smokes for early warning; you could upgrade density or remote area size, for equal or better protection. Think outside the box if you're using Equivalency. George L. Church, Jr., CET   Rowe Sprinkler Systems, Inc. PO Box 407, Middleburg, PA 17842

dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread George Church
Would anyone know when dry grids were taken out of NFPA 13? My recollection is mid 1980's, but don't have a copy to check. We've encountered a dry-pipe system installed circa 1999, purported to be in accordance with NFPA 13- 1994 according to the signature of a NICET Level IV, complete with

Re: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Todd Williams
1994 section 3-2.3.2 says no dry grids, Ditto same section in 1991 At 10:56 AM 6/11/2012, you wrote: Would anyone know when dry grids were taken out of NFPA 13? My recollection is mid 1980's, but don't have a copy to check. We've encountered a dry-pipe system installed circa 1999, purported

RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Daniel Wilder
http://dbase.firesprinkler.org:591/online_archives/tech_interps/FMPro?-db=informal-interps.fp5-format=record_detail.htm-lay=form-recid=12629921-findall= You asked the following question What year did NFPA ban the use of gridded dry pipe systems? In response to your question, we have reviewed the

RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Reed Roisum
I am looking at the 1989 Handbook and it does state in 5-2.3.1 Volume Limitations. ...Gridded dry-pipe systems shall not be installed. Reed A. Roisum, CET Ulteig Engineers, Inc. 3350 38th Avenue S. Fargo, ND 58104 701.280.8580 direct www.ulteig.com -Original Message- From:

RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread David Autry
Funny, my 1987 Edition 5-2.3.1 states: Gridded dry-pipe systems shall not be installed. David Autry Meininger Fire Protection Inc. 2521 W L St. Suite No.4 Lincoln, Ne 68522 Voice (402) 466-2616 Fax (402) 466-2617 da...@mfp-inc.com -Original Message- From:

RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Todd Williams
1989 section 5.2.3.1 includes it in the last sentence. The other editions (at least later ones) had it as a separate section. At 11:03 AM 6/11/2012, you wrote:

Re: Shelf storage for pharmaceuticals

2012-06-11 Thread J.P. Merlino/ Ing.L.Lagomarsino y Asoc.
Thanks all for the comments. A head at every shelf level is the most safe approach but also the most extreme. We are checking FM guidelines to see if this shelf structure is considered. Best regards J.P. Merlino - Original Message - From: Brad Casterline bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com

Re: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Ron Greenman
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RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread George Church
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RE: dry grid prohibition

2012-06-11 Thread Cahill, Christopher
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2007 12.2.1 Small hose stations

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Until solid statistical evidence is produced, I guess we are left will little more than opinions and speculation, relegated to tossing events and outliers from the database and leaving them as one-off examples in the rubbish bin sample space. My opinion is America lost some serious mojo over its

Sizing an expansion Chamber for a fire pump app

2012-06-11 Thread Ralphy Henderson
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Re: 2007 12.2.1 Small hose stations

2012-06-11 Thread Ron Greenman
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Re: Sizing an expansion Chamber for a fire pump app

2012-06-11 Thread J. Scott Mitchell, PE
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2007 12.2.1 Small hose stations

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Until solid statistical evidence is produced, I guess we are reduced to little more than opinions and speculation... relegated to tossing events and outliers from the database, into the rubbish bin sample space as non-sequiturs and one off examples. But there seem some ripe applications for