RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Bobby Gillett
We did a manual dry in a parking garage a few years ago, I asked this question to the local AHJ and he did require one. NFPA 14 (2013) - 6.4.2 requires one. Bobby Gillett Sr. Project Manager Key Fire Protection, Inc. (731) 424-0130 office (731) 424-9285 fax (731) 267-4853 cell

Re: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Greg McGahan
This is a Manual Dry Standpipe with one 2-1/2 hose valve on a dock. I do not see a purpose for the check valve persoanlly. On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 12:38 AM, bver...@comcast.net wrote: Did you mean dry sprinkler system, or standpipe, ie, built in hard pipe fire hose? bv - Original

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread John Denhardt
That is very interesting. I wonder what is the reason one is required? Steve? John August Denhardt, P.E., FSFPE Strickland Fire Protection Incorporated 5113 Berwyn Road College Park, Maryland 20740 Office Telephone Number: 301-474-1136 Mobile Telephone Number: 301-343-1457 FIRE SPRINKLERS

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Bobby Gillett
My only thought is when the fire department disconnects their hoses the water can come back through the FDC - some people may still install single clapper FDC's not thinking ahead or the clappers could stick or malfunction as well. Greg - in your case I could understand not needing one, other

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Cahill, Christopher
While back feeding is true they wouldn't take the hose off until they bled down the hose. Each connection off a fire truck has a bleed valve. With no check they'll just need to bleed the hose and volume of the standpipe. I don't see the big deal either way. I didn't read the Code though so

Re: Soap box

2013-05-02 Thread George Church
David Sornsin wrote me after my week in the ICU Feb'12 that he assumed all the nurses were now sprinkler advocates and I was laying in bed in my convention uniform of khakis, blue button down and blazer. So Cathy brought the shirt and blazer for me to wear home, and Cecil got some pics we sent

Re: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread George Church
Bet the FF get soaked since they expect that check is in place like every other fdc they've seen. I did a manual dry in mid80s buried in interior pilasters, protected by heat, and put supervisory water in it for supervision, so needed the check. Glc Sent from my iPhone On May 2, 2013, at

Re: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Greg McGahan
In this case, the local FD would be familiar with the SP - it is also visible and free standing. I know we did one other similar dock without the check valve in the same county. Thanks, Greg On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:46 AM, George Church g...@rowesprinkler.com wrote: Bet the FF get soaked

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Leyton
I was not able to email yesterday afternoon when this thread started, so I'm a little late to the conversation. Yes it's required, but has been since I came onto the committee, so I don't know what the basis for the requirement was at the time. Obviously, it will keep water in the system after

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Steve Leyton
Another thought that you triggered with the term free standing: FDC's can be composed of single clapper and multi-clapper Siamese bodies, or built out of manifolds with separate snoots for each inlet, including snoots with spring checks built into them. So the configuration of the inlet

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Wow, is this the second time in your illustrious career that you were not correct? LOL Maybe it's time to switch over to fire alarm systems, like me. I still can't believe I have been on the sprinkler side for so long and never had such an opportunity to teach at UMD like this. The

RE: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C]
Ooops. Duane Johnson, PE Program Manager Division of the Fire Marshal (Contractor) Office of Research Services National Institutes of Health 301-496-0487 Protecting Science - One Sprinkler at a Time -Original Message- From: Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD/ORS) [C] Sent: Thursday, May 02,

RE: Soap box

2013-05-02 Thread Sprinkler Academy - C Bilbo
Sheesh George! Shaddup! We have all benefited greatly by knowing an old school 'Automatic Guy' from back in the day. Thanks for sharing all of your insight and experience with us. And please tell your wife that we think she is incredible for putting up with you (and the rest of us)!

Re: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread bverhei
I agree. You won't find it in code. This doesn't even rise to gee, maybe I'm not getting this. Better grab a pencil and diagram it out. bv - Original Message - From: Greg McGahan g...@livingwaterfp.com To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 5:33:51

Re: check valves on dry standpipes

2013-05-02 Thread bverhei
Draining system is one use of outlet at ground floor, usually only a few feet above FDC level. If you are in a location where water matters, it is even a recruit academy drill to hook up to lowest outlet and drain to desired location. Then with only a few feet of head push against the FDC

indoor storage of wood chips

2013-05-02 Thread Todd - Work
I am looking at a job where they plan to store wood chips in piles on the floor inside a metal building. I have seen something about criteria in the past that is close to this, but I can't put my finger on it. Anybody know? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT

Re: indoor storage of wood chips

2013-05-02 Thread Ron Greenman
No building, but http://www.ktvz.com/news/Redmond-Fire-Responds-to-Woodchip-Facility/-/413192/16686814/-/rx6c1a/-/index.html On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Todd - Work t...@fpdc.com wrote: I am looking at a job where they plan to store wood chips in piles on the floor inside a metal