Re: Residential sprinkler question

[Ron Greenman]

The section (16.2) in that chapter only applies to "Small Residential Board
& Care Facilities."



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On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Tom Duross <tduro...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Also see Chapter 16 of 25.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman
> Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:56 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question
>
> Below is the language in 13D/2016 regarding maintenance. It is
> substantially, if not exactly the same as 2013. I left out section 12.3.5
> as that addresses anti-freeze only.  I suppose if you wanted to add the
> "test after twenty years" to the "what information SHOULD the contractor
> provide" part, you could.
>
>
> 12.1* General. The installer shall provide to the owner/occupant
> instructions on inspecting, testing, and maintaining the system.
>
> 12.2* Inspections and Tests.  The sprinkler system shall be inspected and
> tested periodically to make sure the system is in good working condition.
>
> 12.3 Maintenance.
>
> 12.3.1 The sprinkler system shall be properly maintained in accordance
> with this standard and the manufacturers’ instructions.
>
> 12.3.2 Any sprinkler that is operated, damaged, corroded, covered with
> foreign materials, or showing signs of leakage shall be replaced with a new
> listed sprinkler having the same performance characteristics as the
> original equipment.
>
> 12.3.2.1* Where replacing residential sprinklers manufactured prior to
> 2003 that are no longer available from the manufacturer and are installed
> using a design density less than 0.05 gpm/ft2 (204 mm/min), a residential
> sprinkler with an equivalent K-factor (± 5 percent) shall be permitted to
> be used provided the currently listed coverage area for the replacement
> sprinkler is not exceeded.
>
> 12.3.3 Painting Sprinklers.
>
> 12.3.3.1 Sprinklers shall not be painted unless applied by the
> manufacturer.
>
> 12.3.3.2* Any sprinklers that have been painted outside of the factory
> shall be replaced with a new listed sprinkler.
>
> 12.3.4* Wet Pipe Systems.  A wet pipe system shall be maintained above
> 40°F (4°C), including areas properly insulated to maintain 40°F (4°C).
>
> A.12.1 These instructions should include the following:
>
> (1) Information regarding the necessary system inspection, testing, and
> maintenance as described in this standard
>
> (2) The manufacturers’ installation, care, and maintenance instructions
> for the installed sprinkler system components
>
> (3) Name, address, and phone number of the installing contractor of the
> fire sprinkler system
>
> (4) Name, address, and phone number of a fire sprinkler system service
> company if different than the installing contractor
>
>
> The occupants of a home with a sprinkler system should
>
> understand that maintaining a sprinkler system is mostly about
>
> common sense. Keeping the control valve open, not hanging
>
> items from the sprinklers, and making sure that the sprinklers
>
> do not get painted or obstructed are the most important items.
>
> It is also important to know the function of the main control
>
> valve and where the control valve is located.
>
>
> A.12.2 The building owner or manager should understand the sprinkler
> system operation and conduct periodic inspections and tests to make sure
> that the system is in good working condition. A recommended inspection and
> testing program includes the following:
>
> (1) Monthly inspection of all valves to ensure that they are open
>
> (2) Monthly inspection of tanks, if present, to confirm they are full
>
> (3) Monthly testing of pumps, if present, to make sure they operate
> properly and do not trip circuit breakers when starting
>
> (4) Testing of all waterflow devices, when provided, every 6 months
> including monitoring service (note that notification of the monitoring
> service is essential to make sure that the fire department is not called
> due to testing)
>
> (5) Ongoing visual inspection of all sprinklers to make sure they are not
> obstructed, damaged, corroded, covered with foreign materials, field
> painted, or showing signs of leakage, and that decorations are not attached
> to them
>
> (6) Annually, fully open the test connection downstream of any
> pressure-reducing or pressure-regulating valve, and make sure that the
> pressure gauge reads a re

RE: Residential sprinkler question

[Tom Duross]

Also see Chapter 16 of 25.

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of Ron Greenman
Sent: Monday, February 26, 2018 12:56 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question

Below is the language in 13D/2016 regarding maintenance. It is substantially, 
if not exactly the same as 2013. I left out section 12.3.5 as that addresses 
anti-freeze only.  I suppose if you wanted to add the "test after twenty years" 
to the "what information SHOULD the contractor provide" part, you could.


12.1* General. The installer shall provide to the owner/occupant instructions 
on inspecting, testing, and maintaining the system.

12.2* Inspections and Tests.  The sprinkler system shall be inspected and 
tested periodically to make sure the system is in good working condition.

12.3 Maintenance.

12.3.1 The sprinkler system shall be properly maintained in accordance with 
this standard and the manufacturers’ instructions.

12.3.2 Any sprinkler that is operated, damaged, corroded, covered with foreign 
materials, or showing signs of leakage shall be replaced with a new listed 
sprinkler having the same performance characteristics as the original equipment.

12.3.2.1* Where replacing residential sprinklers manufactured prior to 2003 
that are no longer available from the manufacturer and are installed using a 
design density less than 0.05 gpm/ft2 (204 mm/min), a residential sprinkler 
with an equivalent K-factor (± 5 percent) shall be permitted to be used 
provided the currently listed coverage area for the replacement sprinkler is 
not exceeded.

12.3.3 Painting Sprinklers.

12.3.3.1 Sprinklers shall not be painted unless applied by the manufacturer.

12.3.3.2* Any sprinklers that have been painted outside of the factory shall be 
replaced with a new listed sprinkler.

12.3.4* Wet Pipe Systems.  A wet pipe system shall be maintained above 40°F 
(4°C), including areas properly insulated to maintain 40°F (4°C).

A.12.1 These instructions should include the following:

(1) Information regarding the necessary system inspection, testing, and 
maintenance as described in this standard

(2) The manufacturers’ installation, care, and maintenance instructions for the 
installed sprinkler system components

(3) Name, address, and phone number of the installing contractor of the fire 
sprinkler system

(4) Name, address, and phone number of a fire sprinkler system service company 
if different than the installing contractor


The occupants of a home with a sprinkler system should

understand that maintaining a sprinkler system is mostly about

common sense. Keeping the control valve open, not hanging

items from the sprinklers, and making sure that the sprinklers

do not get painted or obstructed are the most important items.

It is also important to know the function of the main control

valve and where the control valve is located.


A.12.2 The building owner or manager should understand the sprinkler system 
operation and conduct periodic inspections and tests to make sure that the 
system is in good working condition. A recommended inspection and testing 
program includes the following:

(1) Monthly inspection of all valves to ensure that they are open

(2) Monthly inspection of tanks, if present, to confirm they are full

(3) Monthly testing of pumps, if present, to make sure they operate properly 
and do not trip circuit breakers when starting

(4) Testing of all waterflow devices, when provided, every 6 months including 
monitoring service (note that notification of the monitoring service is 
essential to make sure that the fire department is not called due to testing)

(5) Ongoing visual inspection of all sprinklers to make sure they are not 
obstructed, damaged, corroded, covered with foreign materials, field painted, 
or showing signs of leakage, and that decorations are not attached to them

(6) Annually, fully open the test connection downstream of any 
pressure-reducing or pressure-regulating valve, and make sure that the pressure 
gauge reads a reasonable value

(7) Inspect systems by individuals knowledgeable and trained in such systems 
when there is a change in ownership


A.12.3.2.1 It is recognized that the flow and pressure available to the 
replacement sprinkler might be less than its current flow and pressure 
requirement.


A.12.3.3.2 Whenever painting or home improvements are made in the dwelling 
unit, special attention should be paid to ensure that sprinklers are not 
painted or obstructed either at the time of installation or during subsequent 
redecoration. This is as important for the cover plates of concealed sprinklers 
as it is to the sprinklers themselves. Special paint is used for cover plates 
and can only be applied by the manufacturer. Applying paint to cover plates 
outside of the factory can cause the sprinkler to malfunction and possibly not 
operate during a

Re: Residential sprinkler question

[Ron Greenman]

protected underneath from paint and overspray with a
bag. After the painting is finished, the bags should be removed from the
sprinklers and the cover plates should be replaced.


A.12.3.4 See Figure A.9.1.1(a) through Figure A.9.1.1(d) for possible
methods used by the installer to insulate sprinkler piping in unheated
areas. It is important that this insulation not be disturbed or removed.
Disturbing or removing this insulation could result in sprinkler pipes
being frozen during winter months that would not only block water flow to
the sprinklers but could cause broken pipes and fittings.






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On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:

> I talked to the FD.  They will do a yearly inspection, test the waterflow
> switch, no charge and look at sprinklers for corrosion and obstruction.  No
> other testing recommendations to the owners. I specifically ask about
> twenty year testing.
>
> So, if NFPA 25 isn't in play, how does a homeowner know they have a twenty
> year sprinkler test required? Agree with Ron G.
>
> Scott
>
> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
> Cell: (612) 759-5556
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler.
> org] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:34 PM
> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question
>
> From Scottsdale FP’s website:
>
> http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/fire/residential-sprinkler
>
> Sounds as if you may schedule a visit from the fire department.
>
> Best.
>
> Bruce Verhei
>
> > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:51, John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote:
> >> I understand the inspection is not required, but the sprinkler doesn't
> know it's in a house and not a highrise. If asked I would reccomend they
> get tested as they would in an NFPA 13 occupancy.
> >
> > ⁣John Irwin
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2018, 8:41 PM, at 8:41 PM, Ron Greenman <
> rongreen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> John. It’s different because the requirement is in 25 and 13d systems
> >> are exempt from 25. It would need to be a jurisdiction amendment to
> >> 25 or a stand alone requirement.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed
> >> in a
> >>> dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system?
> >>>
> >>> ⁣John Irwin
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RE: Residential sprinkler question

[Scott Futrell]

I talked to the FD.  They will do a yearly inspection, test the waterflow 
switch, no charge and look at sprinklers for corrosion and obstruction.  No 
other testing recommendations to the owners. I specifically ask about twenty 
year testing.

So, if NFPA 25 isn't in play, how does a homeowner know they have a twenty year 
sprinkler test required? Agree with Ron G.

Scott

Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
Cell: (612) 759-5556

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On 
Behalf Of Bruce Verhei
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:34 PM
To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question

From Scottsdale FP’s website:

http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/fire/residential-sprinkler

Sounds as if you may schedule a visit from the fire department.

Best.

Bruce Verhei

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:51, John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote:
>> I understand the inspection is not required, but the sprinkler doesn't know 
>> it's in a house and not a highrise. If asked I would reccomend they get 
>> tested as they would in an NFPA 13 occupancy.
>
> ⁣John Irwin
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, 8:41 PM, at 8:41 PM, Ron Greenman <rongreen...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> John. It’s different because the requirement is in 25 and 13d systems 
>> are exempt from 25. It would need to be a jurisdiction amendment to 
>> 25 or a stand alone requirement.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed
>> in a
>>> dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system?
>>>
>>> ⁣John Irwin
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Re: Residential sprinkler question

[Bruce Verhei]

From Scottsdale FP’s website:

http://www.scottsdaleaz.gov/fire/residential-sprinkler

Sounds as if you may schedule a visit from the fire department.

Best.

Bruce Verhei 

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:51, John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote:
> 
> I understand the inspection is not required, but the sprinkler doesn't know 
> it's in a house and not a highrise. If asked I would reccomend they get 
> tested as they would in an NFPA 13 occupancy. 
> 
> ⁣John Irwin 
> DynaFire Inc. 
> Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 
> 727-282-9243 
> 
> This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, 
> typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes.​
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2018, 8:41 PM, at 8:41 PM, Ron Greenman <rongreen...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> John. It’s different because the requirement is in 25 and 13d systems
>> are
>> exempt from 25. It would need to be a jurisdiction amendment to 25 or a
>> stand alone requirement.
>> 
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed
>> in a
>>> dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system?
>>> 
>>> ⁣John Irwin
>>> DynaFire Inc.
>>> Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division
>>> 727-282-9243
>>> 
>>> This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity,
>>> typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes.​
>>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2018, 7:25 PM, at 7:25 PM, Scott Futrell
>> <sco...@ffcdi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Nothing in the original data sheet or the next generation about any
>>>> testing...
>>>> 
>>>> Scott
>>>> 
>>>> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
>>>> Cell: (612) 759-5556
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Sprinklerforum
>>>> [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Bruce Verhei
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:19 PM
>>>> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question
>>>> 
>>>> [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about
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>>>> 
>>>> What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the
>>>> listing.
>>>> 
>>>> Best.
>>>> 
>>>> Bruce Verhei
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Forumites:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and
>> those
>>>> residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is
>> anyone
>>>> performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these
>> sprinklers?
>>>> Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if
>> you
>>>> have to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply
>> to
>>>> residential systems?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comments, thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott Futrell
>>>>> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
>>>>> Cell: (612) 759-5556
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Re: Residential sprinkler question

[John Irwin]

I understand the inspection is not required, but the sprinkler doesn't know 
it's in a house and not a highrise. If asked I would reccomend they get tested 
as they would in an NFPA 13 occupancy. 

⁣John Irwin 
DynaFire Inc. 
Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division 
727-282-9243 

This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity, typographical 
errors, and grammatical gaffes.​

On Feb 23, 2018, 8:41 PM, at 8:41 PM, Ron Greenman <rongreen...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
>John. It’s different because the requirement is in 25 and 13d systems
>are
>exempt from 25. It would need to be a jurisdiction amendment to 25 or a
>stand alone requirement.
>
>On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com>
>wrote:
>
>> Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed
>in a
>> dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system?
>>
>> ⁣John Irwin
>> DynaFire Inc.
>> Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division
>> 727-282-9243
>>
>> This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity,
>> typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes.​
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, 7:25 PM, at 7:25 PM, Scott Futrell
><sco...@ffcdi.com>
>> wrote:
>> >Nothing in the original data sheet or the next generation about any
>> >testing...
>> >
>> >Scott
>> >
>> >Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
>> >Cell: (612) 759-5556
>> >
>> >
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Sprinklerforum
>> >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
>> >Bruce Verhei
>> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:19 PM
>> >To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
>> >Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question
>> >
>> >[This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about
>phishing
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>> >
>> >What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the
>> >listing.
>> >
>> >Best.
>> >
>> >Bruce Verhei
>> >
>> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Forumites:
>> >>
>> >> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and
>those
>> >residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is
>anyone
>> >performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these
>sprinklers?
>> >Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if
>you
>> >have to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply
>to
>> >residential systems?
>> >>
>> >> Comments, thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks!
>> >>
>> >> Scott Futrell
>> >> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
>> >>
>> >> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
>> >> Cell: (612) 759-5556
>> >>
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Re: Residential sprinkler question

[Ron Greenman]

John. It’s different because the requirement is in 25 and 13d systems are
exempt from 25. It would need to be a jurisdiction amendment to 25 or a
stand alone requirement.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 4:29 PM John Irwin <john.ir...@dynafire.com> wrote:

> Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed in a
> dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system?
>
> ⁣John Irwin
> DynaFire Inc.
> Tampa Fire Sprinkler Division
> 727-282-9243
>
> This email was sent from a mobile device. Please forgive brevity,
> typographical errors, and grammatical gaffes.​
>
> On Feb 23, 2018, 7:25 PM, at 7:25 PM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com>
> wrote:
> >Nothing in the original data sheet or the next generation about any
> >testing...
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
> >Cell: (612) 759-5556
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Sprinklerforum
> >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of
> >Bruce Verhei
> >Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:19 PM
> >To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org
> >Subject: Re: Residential sprinkler question
> >
> >[This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing
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> >
> >What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the
> >listing.
> >
> >Best.
> >
> >Bruce Verhei
> >
> >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Forumites:
> >>
> >> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those
> >residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is anyone
> >performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these sprinklers?
> >Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if you
> >have to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to
> >residential systems?
> >>
> >> Comments, thoughts?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Scott Futrell
> >> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
> >>
> >> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
> >> Cell: (612) 759-5556
> >>
> >>
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RE: Residential sprinkler question

[John Irwin]

Why would it be any different than a Residential sprinkler installed in a 
dwelling unit in an NFPA 13 system? 

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On Feb 23, 2018, 7:25 PM, at 7:25 PM, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
>Nothing in the original data sheet or the next generation about any
>testing...
>
>Scott
>
>Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
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>What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the
>listing.
>
>Best.
>
>Bruce Verhei
>
>> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
>>
>> Forumites:
>>
>> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those
>residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is anyone
>performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these sprinklers?
>Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if you
>have to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to
>residential systems?
>>
>> Comments, thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Scott Futrell
>> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
>>
>> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
>> Cell: (612) 759-5556
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RE: Residential sprinkler question

[Scott Futrell]

Nothing in the original data sheet or the next generation about any testing...

Scott

Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
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What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the listing.

Best.

Bruce Verhei

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell <sco...@ffcdi.com> wrote:
>
> Forumites:
>
> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those 
> residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is anyone 
> performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these sprinklers?  
> Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if you have 
> to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to 
> residential systems?
>
> Comments, thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Scott Futrell
> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
>
> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
> Cell: (612) 759-5556
>
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Re: Residential sprinkler question

[Bruce Verhei]

What did the installation manual for the heads say? It’s part of the listing.

Best.

Bruce Verhei 

> On Feb 23, 2018, at 16:05, Scott Futrell  wrote:
> 
> Forumites:
> 
> Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those 
> residential sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is anyone 
> performing or recommending twenty year inspections of these sprinklers?  
> Obviously NFPA 25 doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if you have 
> to test fast response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to 
> residential systems?
> 
> Comments, thoughts?
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> Scott Futrell
> Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.
> 
> Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
> Cell: (612) 759-5556
> 
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Residential sprinkler question

[Scott Futrell]

Forumites:

Scottsdale has required residential sprinklers since 1985 and those residential 
sprinklers are now more than twenty years old.  Is anyone performing or 
recommending twenty year inspections of these sprinklers?  Obviously NFPA 25 
doesn't apply to 13D systems, I know that, but if you have to test fast 
response after twenty years, why wouldn't it apply to residential systems?

Comments, thoughts?

Thanks! 

Scott Futrell
Futrell Fire Consulty & Design, Inc.

Office: (763) 425-1001 x2
Cell: (612) 759-5556


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