No.
And there's a host of baggage with the site guy.
That's why we ended up doing the flushing, and why we're testing.
He installed the UG system without calling for any inspection so AJ cannot
verify leakage at joints, thrust blocks/megalugs, depth of bury.
Grapevine has it that there was a
He installed the UG system without calling for any inspection..
Frankly you'd be digging this thing up in my jurisdiction and here's what
I'd cite;
N.J.A.C. 5:23-2.18 Inspections
(b) Inspections during the progress of work: The construction official and
appropriate subcode officials
No argument, John. However, its not like their inspectors weren't onsite
numerous times during the construction- it's an 833,000 SF building, this
wasn't hidden behind a barn during construction.
I've proposed having them dig up 90's and tees under grass since the site
guy isn't smart enough to
Mark,
Unfortunately they didn't call to discuss their concerns before putting
it in writing and rejecting the drawings. Now we have to reply in
writing through the GC and so on and so on. A giant waste of time with
no benefit to anyone.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024
I personally think the SFPE should have a peer review process to handle
complaints without going to the state board. Who better to caution other
engineers on matters of good engineering practice? Maybe after several
complaints to the SFPE about a particular engineer or firm the SFPE
could take the
What state are you referring to.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
PO Box 491, Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
craig.pr...@ch2m.com
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I think this is an excellent idea. It allows us to not be singled out for
retaliation, allows an independent 3rd party of peer to review the case, and
doesn't carry the onus of legal action required for my state's complaint
form. Alas, it wouldn't carry the enforcement weight but if a simple
Pelosi (lmao).
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
Phoenix, AZ 85024
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George
Church
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 6:41 AM
To:
Ron,
I am not a P.E. but just an underling in this industry who has been the victim
of the
dreaded (RJA) plan review rejection for no good reason letter.Sounds like this
person thought he is the EOR and could bill for the resubmittal review.
Just a thought.
Lamar Vaughn
Fletcher wrote:
I
The reduction in design area has nothing to do with the likelihood of a
fire, it is related to the ability of the sprinkler system to control
the fireperiod. This is a great example of the reviewer suffering
rectal cranial inversion.
I will bet that in typical RJA fashion the review was
I thought it was insertion, not inversion. Amazing what you can learn
on the Forum.
At 09:13 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
The reduction in design area has nothing to do with the likelihood of a
fire, it is related to the ability of the sprinkler system to control
the fireperiod. This is a
I would still consider calling them. I have done so many times. Tell the GC
you are calling them, and will copy them on any discussions had. The
statement may come from a legitimate concern. You never know unless you ask.
If you really cannot talk to them for one reason or another, simply work up
Look in old issues of FPC. Maybe not a full description but a you can
build a decent outline.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Ryan Peterson ry...@waynefire.com wrote:
Does anyone have a job description for Design Manager they care to share?
Thank you,
Ryan Peterson
Wayne Automatic Fire
Does anyone have a job description for Design Manager they care to share?
Thank you,
Ryan Peterson
Wayne Automatic Fire Sprinklers
222 Capitol Court, Ocoee Fl. 34761
ry...@waynefire.com
Office: 407-877-5593
Mobile: 904-838-7020
PTT: 162*27*1942
Fax: 407-656-8026
www.waynefire.com
Responsible for all mistakes made by designers, estimators, salesmen and
installers.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
21605 N. Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85024
P: 623.580.7836
F: 623.434.3420
C: 602.763.4160
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Architects, PEs, code officials, software, server,...
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:44 AM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE:
An outstanding idea. Unfortunately, the FL SFPE chapter attempted
just such an effort (to reduce unnecessary or excessive material going
to the Board) and was instructed in no uncertain terms to: stop - Stop
- STOP. The perceived threat of litigation drives many decisions.
Roland
On Feb
I understand the SFPE is full of PEs, who tend to be a conservative group of
risk-averters, and its good that they are. But where's the threat if they
are simply writing an informational letter outlining the variance between
CODE and the Pelosi shown on bid documents?
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Also worth noting that just because a state fire marshal exists does
not mean that they resolve differences in interpretation between local
AHJ's or act as a higher authority over-ruling a local AHJ's
interpretation.
Roland
On Feb 25, 2009, at 7:02 PM, John Drucker wrote:
Jay,
A State
Scott,
My company has done a lot of high end homes, I asked our residential
superintendent to get me some pictures. I will gladly forward them to you.
Jim Johnston, P.E.
Fire Protection Engineer
Inland Fire Protection, Inc
1100 Ahtanum Road
Yakima, WA 98903
Phone 509-248-4471
Fax 509-248-1180
Insurance companies, fabricators, truck drivers, secretaries, the man
on the street, the cop on the beat, the guy that deliver Chinese food
to the office.
At 10:57 AM 2/26/2009, you wrote:
Architects, PEs, code officials, software, server,...
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From:
Ron,
The problem with this is that generally the members of SFPE and people on
forums like this who take an interest in staying abreast of the industry are
not your problem. It's been my experience that the engineers illegally
stamping plans or issuing shoddy specs either practice in other
If I match six number I might think about making it my hobby to report the
negligent stuff to the board but so long as I am working for a living it won't
happen. I hope I didn't burn a bridge yesterday when I gave the initials of the
firm that wrote the plan review comment.
Ron Fletcher
Aero
Everyone,
As an individual who has performed plan reviews for the company recently
being discussed on this forum (and will be gaining PE licensure this
year), I have to respectfully disagree that all we do is put fluff and
filler in a plan review and get paid by the word or word count. Why
would
Yes It is an excellent idea! The reason that SFPE doesn't want to do it is
that unless they are authorized by and protected by a Gov. entity from
prosecution, as a part of performing this service. They are at risk of
having their Opinions challenged in court and be liable if the
complainant can
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Ron, I think you hit the nail on the head. As a contractor if you file formal
complaints against a firm or individual you can pretty much guarantee not to be
included on any of their bid lists or if you aren't excluded from the list,
they will probably trash your proposal anyway.
And with the
I guess I gotta ask... what is/are Pelosi?
C. Burton Ford
Designer- NICET Certified: Fire Alarm,
Special Hazards, Sprinkler Design
Sprinkler Inspections
NFPA CFPS
Cintas Fire Protection-D-47
Warminster, PA 18974
Phone 267-487-1000
Fax 267-487-1010
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From:
Amen to that Carl. Don't get me started on some of the submittals I've seen
come across my desk. Just remember everyone, this sword has two edges -
meaning there is plenty of incompetence on both sides.
Mark Hasenmyer, PE
MEH Fire Protection Engineering LLC
1311 River Oaks Drive
Flower Mound,
Dopey George. I sent him an e-mail yesterday suggesting that from now
on, instead of using the term bulls$#t, we substitute with Pelosi.
Steve Leyton
Protection Design Consulting
San Diego, CA
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I think if you look in Webster's, they are synonyms and it is proper to
substitute them for one another.
Cliff
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009
Mark,
I agree. I personally know the RJA FPEs in Dallas and they are awesome.
However, you must know that Tom Izbicki, of that office, was also the FPE
for the City of Dallas and has seen these issues from both sides of the
table. The Dallas RJA office, and particularly Tom Izbicki, is one of my
Brilliant, I wish I had thought of that.
Ron Fletcher
Aero Automatic Sprinkler
21605 N. Central Ave
Phoenix, AZ 85024
P: 623.580.7836
F: 623.434.3420
C: 602.763.4160
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Not that I'd argue because you are right for the most part, but remember
where you are. The AHJ and PE's complain about us companies just as we
complain about PE's and AHJ's. Don't tell me PE's don't complain about
contractors because they do. The AHJ do the same in their forums. All here
Ryan,
I am a big fan of UCONN Women's Basketball. There was an interview
with the Associate Head Coach, who has worked in that capacity for 26
years. She was asked what her job description was and she said 'to do
everything the Coach doesn't want to do'.
Seriously, though. The needs and
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Early quit? So when you emailed me at 2:42 Am, were you coming or going?
Chris, we sat in a tourist section of a cricket match in Bermuda so they
could explain it to us. I found it a great way to drink Heineken, didn't
have to concentrate on the game. Might have been rugby!
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Test per 24 means joints exposed.
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Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 2:44:09 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: RE: AHJ right or wong?
No.
And there's a host of baggage
And our jobs are not without risks
AURORA, CO - A gunman eluded a massive police dragnet Thursday after he shot
and killed a city code officer during a routine inspection.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/nov/13/code-enforcement-officer-s
hot-aurora-gunman-loose/
John
Back in the late seventies I was a building inspector for Santa Cruz
County, CA. Out on a building without a permit complaint call I had
the owner of said building set his dogs on me. Thank God for the AMC
Gremlin--Dog proof.
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:18 PM, John Drucker john.druc...@verizon.net
This is why concealed carry laws are important.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:25:22
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Subject: Re: Code Enforcement Officer Shot and Killed
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