My friend sent me a digital camera a few days ago,which he bought at a
online shop,and I am using the camera right now,I find it is original
and really has superior quality,and the price is absolutely
competitive in the market,he told me the company
websitewww.snnsn.com, I find they have a full
So have I, but never did I see a space packed so tight as to allow only 7sq.
ft per person.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood Greene
1500 International Drive
Spartanburg, SC 29304-0491
Direct - 864.599.4102
Fax - 864.599.8439
I need some sort of a clarification on something in NFPA 13 (2002).
Section 8.6.4.1.2 (4) calls for composite wood joists to be fire
stopped so that the areas do not exceed 300 square feet. This is for
sprinklers below exposed CWJs. When you get to section 8.14.1.2.6
(CWJs with ceiling
Good Morning Gents:
Quick question regarding Elevator Equipment Rooms: is it permissible for a
sprinkler line to pass through the equipment room? The line supply's the
head in the room (which is shunt trip protected) and also a couple other
heads in the adjacent rooms. The GC is telling me that
A lot of this depends on the state regulations. I would check with them.
At 10:00 AM 5/24/2010, you wrote:
Good Morning Gents:
Quick question regarding Elevator Equipment Rooms: is it permissible for a
sprinkler line to pass through the equipment room? The line supply's the
head in the room
It has not been uncommon for some design houses to not even do model
coordination. They get the architectural plan and do their design based on
that alone. All coordination with other trades is done in the field. These
type places are all about production, they base fees on the number of
Do you have access to ASME A17.1 Elevator Code? 2.8.2.3 (requires some
interpretation but) I think the intent is only piping serving the head(s) in
the room is allowed.
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To:
It depends on what the design house is being hired for. I do much of my
work out of state, or out of the country. For those, a site survey is
impractical. For projects that use the BIM process, then we readily
incorporate into that as I draw in Autosprink which is fully 3D. For
local
Case in point, I worked for a design house for about two months in between
jobs, we did a building where attic sprinklers would have been the best choice,
met all the design and installation criteria. This saved money on
installation, the owner of the design house said NO, that we were to use
Travis, next 4 head job I get, I'm thinking of you.
I take the opposite approach. I keep my pricing formulas private. I
don't want my clients to know how I figure it. This way I have
control over it. There are some 200 head jobs in a 2 sqft
building that require a lot more work than others
I'm with you Todd. I couldn't not have said it better. It's no different
than the various pricing you see on a sprinkler job itself. There are many
sprinkler contractors that either don't have the experience, the overhead,
the abilities, etc. and their prices are much different than the guys
He may have had more heads in some or all of his work and that's overdesign,
but designing and installing additional uprights vrs a lesser number of
ATTIC sprinklers doesn't necessarily result in an overdesign.
My understanding is that ATTIC sprinklers provide a higher level of
protection than
That's been pretty typical in NC for awhile. Also electrical rooms.
Jamie
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On May 24, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Brian Harris
br...@firstdefensefire.com wrote:
Good Morning Gents:
Quick question regarding Elevator Equipment Rooms: is it permissible
for a
sprinkler line to
Brad-
Unfortunately I don't have access to that Standard, would it be a big pain
in the @$$ to email me that one section? Another question I have is if the
plans were approved by the Architect, Engineer, and local AHJ with the line
passing through the room wouldn't that at least be grounds for a
Guys, there may be other reasons why pricing varies, and you don't always
get more by paying more, or get less by paying less.
A contract PM at my alma mater almost threw away our proposal when it was
half the others, but fortunately checked with us first, only to discover
there was a significant
Real BIM modeling goes WAY beyond just a 3D rendition of a building.
Please elaborate on this. I think that I know what you're talking about.
How would a Detail Level 5 effect a sprinkler plan?
Vince Sabolik
Christi Fire Protection, Inc.
11351 Pearl Road
Strongsville, Ohio 44136
T 440
George, it's not a matter of what is better. It was the overall way this guy
did business. Mention his name to any sprinkler contractor around here and all
you hear is groans of pain and sympathy.
Craig L. Prahl, CET
Fire Protection Specialist
Mechanical Department
CH2MHILL
Lockwood
I agree with you Cliff but please remember. There are a lot of
inadequate companies and designers charging more than they deserve. We
have paid designers (none on the forum) to do work for us that we had to
completely redo because they didn't use common sense.
We have seen designers with 20
Ok Todd, you got me on that. I was being a bit too general. We do have
minimum fees just like everyone else. There are also special
considerations and such for all of the things mentioned below. I should
not have been so general :-) It is early on a Monday.
On 5/24/2010 8:24 AM, George
Yea, I heard cries of empathy from friends of mine in Baltimore who didn't
know I was hiring a bad apple that had already been thru their orchard and
moved south to Florida. On the plus side, if someone repeats my mistake and
hires the bad apple, it won't be long before the error is obvious.
For a sprinkler system in a real Bldg. Information Model you would be able to
click on a sprinkler pipe and be referred to additional information which could
include the contractor installation drawings, system calculations,
equipment/component shop drawings, testing records, activation or
Ok. I admit, that sounds really cool
On 5/24/2010 8:32 AM, craig.pr...@ch2m.com wrote:
For a sprinkler system in a real Bldg. Information Model you would be able to
click on a sprinkler pipe and be referred to additional information which
could include the contractor installation
The BIM is a live model/database that CAN BE constantly updated with new
information.
I just made a slight change in your test to reflect reality. CAN BE or COULD
BE would be ok here, but until there's an IT guy in the maintenance dept,
don't expect revisions.
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From:
Brian ,
The safe approach to these rooms is always to enter them only to serve the
sprinkler in that room . It keeps down problems of interpretation,etc. between
the AHJ , elevatore inspectors , etc. As to the issue of having an approved
drawing , most approval stamps are equipped with the
Yea, mentoring is one of the key components. Tough to learn when no one is
telling you that you shoulda woulda coulda
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Sent: Monday, May 24,
While anyone can get a SF price from Means, that doesn't mean that that
price is what they should expect to pay for their job.
Means, uses averages, it's just like saying that the average residential
fire sprinkler system will cost $1.61 per SF. If you take that another way,
The average home, will
Time in this business means little. It's the quality you produce. As
one of our esteemed forum members said to me once describing a
designer he said he had 21 years experience, but it was really 3
years of experience 7 times
At 11:35 AM 5/24/2010, you wrote:
Yea, I heard cries of empathy
Thanks... That's kind of what I expected to see.
I'm wondering now, would this be worth the price (of development,
deployment) to have this
info down to the piping level of a sprinkler system?
Most of bim that I've seen answers one question - did I hit anything?
And a lot of drawings are being
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Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
While many projects now Require BIM, our industry is slow off the mark in
reguards to supplying us with BIM Blocks.
That is if you click on the alarm valve
I seem to recall a design criteria for convention center halls that can be used
for display (exhibition/exposition) set at OH2, but now cannot find it. This
may be Monday morning dyslexia, or it may just be poor memory. Does this ring
any bells?
Dave
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If there's a builder's show or RV show in it, you've got shielded fires like
modular plants, EH.
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Depends upon the use of the hall. Large facilities have capacity for shielded
fire scenarios from exhibits (RV's, boats, built displays) that approximate
extra hazard. A general rule of thumb for large exhibit halls has been 0.30
over 100 times the clear height.
Robert J. Pielow, P.E.
Fire
Dave, you are likely thinking of the old UBC Standard 9-1 that had table 1.4.7
with all sorts of occupancies correlated with NFPA hazard classifications.
That table indeed allowed an exhibition hall to be OH2. I ran into this when I
Plan Not Approved the exhibition hall designed for OH2 years
Change order is going to be a tough sell, since NFPA 13, 2007 8-15.5
references ASME A17.1 so often, that it could be easy to say, you should
have known what it requires.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax:
I seem to recall a design criteria for convention center halls that can be used
for display (exhibition/exposition) set at OH2, but now cannot find it. This
may be Monday morning dyslexia, or it may just be poor memory. Does this ring
any bells?
Dave
David A. de Vries, P.E., CSP
Firetech
I agree with you Cliff but please remember. There are a lot of
inadequate companies and designers charging more than they deserve. We
have paid designers (none on the forum) to do work for us that we had to
completely redo because they didn't use common sense.
We have seen designers with 20
What about a designer that is a drinker with a running problem?
Do they still make a good wage if they show up to work barely able to walk
after a race?
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From: Greg McGahan g...@livingwaterfp.com
Date: Mon, May 24, 2010 12:36 pm
Thom-
One could argue that 8.15.5.5. is only talking about heads at the top of
hoistways.
Brian Harris
FDFP INC.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010
Yes one could! And you might prevail, at least for a while just like the
argument that the Earth is Flat. With limited information it sure seemed so
for a while, but my what a beautiful blue round planet we live on.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat
Good questions! Where sprinklers are required, a max deflector distance
would be required, times sq ft would give you cubic. Where no sprinks are
req'd, cubic is given. This is the only thing I can think of, but I messed
around with the numbers and came up empty.
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From:
Thom-
No need to be a smart @$$.
Brian Harris
FDFP INC.
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[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:42 PM
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE:
Brian,
Would you be able to post that section I e-mailed you- (the relevant parts)-
it is a little vague, and some feed-back from the pros here might help you-
I would do it but I do not know how
-Original Message-
From: Brian Harris [mailto:br...@firstdefensefire.com]
Sent: Monday, May
I just go with what I'm good at! Sorry if you couldn't enjoy the humor.
Thom McMahon, SET
Firetech, Inc.
2560 Copper Ridge Dr
P.O. Box 882136
Steamboat Springs, CO 80488
Tel: 970-879-7952
Fax: 970-879-7926
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Actually Thom DOES have a need to be a sm...@$$, I've known this for years.
He's actually quite pleasant and loveable in person.
Takes one to know one could be an operative adder here.
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Also, like I said, it might not be the latest, and your local people might
have modified it. The 'letter' of the code allows it I think, but I go by
one code I call the 2010 edition of B.O.S.S.
Are the other couple of heads on the shunt too? I would use standard
response high temp heads in the
I know the forum has discussed this before, but here goes:
Sprinkler contractor ABC is hired/ subcontracted by sprinkler contractor XYZ to
perform fire sprinkler repair work, not an NFPA 25 inspection.
Contractor ABC observes recalled fire sprimklers in the system. ABC notifies
XYZ of the
If I understand the question, it can be boiled down to:
I'm subbed to a guy that is directing me to break the law.
You could transfer this liability where it belongs, XYZ, by advising you are
RELYING on them to fulfill the requirements of the FD notification since
they have the relationship
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