Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Bruce Verhei
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Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Bruce Verhei
#x27;s upstream Gus. I'm just trying to help Craig get out of the (if Mr. > Greenman will pardon my French) Remote Area with the calc software he has. > > :) > > Brad > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behal

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Craig.Prahl
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection [EXTERNAL] Why not a large orifice sidewall at each side of each trailer? Going back to objectives, and what is not objective. Writing it out helps, at least me. 1. Goal is not to protect trailer or

Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Brad Casterline
f the (if Mr. > Greenman will pardon my French) Remote Area with the calc software he has. > > :) > > Brad > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-bounces@lists.firesprinkler. > org] > > On Behalf Of Gus Olson > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 1

Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Bruce Verhei
rum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of rongreenman . > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 8:50 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection > > Why not just put a barrel of water on top of keg of black p

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Craig.Prahl
...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of rongreenman . Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:50 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection [EXTERNAL] Why not just put a barrel of water on top of keg of black powder with a fuse going into the

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread MPhelps
, 2016 8:50 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection Why not just put a barrel of water on top of keg of black powder with a fuse going into the trailer? On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Brad Casterline mailto:bcasterl

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Craig.Prahl
] On Behalf Of Gus Olson Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection [EXTERNAL] Brad, Don't forget to add a strainer Gus Olson -Original Message- From: Sprinkler

Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread rongreenman .
alf Of Brad Casterline > Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 11:30 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection > > P = 40 PSI > K = 1.55 > Q = 9.8 GPM > > 36 GPM / 9.8 = 3.67 holes per nozzle > > call i

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Brad Casterline
Olson Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:37 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection Brad, Don't forget to add a strainer Gus Olson -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesp

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Gus Olson
016 9:57 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection Dude, you need serious help. HAHA Now how many average sprinkler designers could have figured that out? But it has to equal the discharge of spray nozzles which are requir

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Brad Casterline
@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection Dude, you need serious help. HAHA Now how many average sprinkler designers could have figured that out? But it has to equal the discharge of spray nozzles which are required to provide a minimum of 36 gpm at 40

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Craig.Prahl
nsion 77540 craig.pr...@ch2m.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of mphe...@aerofire.com Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:52 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge head

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Craig.Prahl
AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection [EXTERNAL] (.25/24)^2 * PI = .000314 ft^2 assume coefficient of discharge of .9 .000314 *.9 = .000283 'imply' 7 PSI 7 / .433 = 16.167 (h) v = (2gh)^.5 = 32.266 ft/sec 32.

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread MPhelps
Why wouldn't you just install a one hour rated door at the opening held open by a fusible link. When they have a fire in the pallet trailer, it would probably take 10 minutes to pick it with a dolly and move it to a safe location away from the dock. Or 20 minutes to become a smoldering pile of a

RE: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Brad Casterline
(.25/24)^2 * PI = .000314 ft^2 assume coefficient of discharge of .9 .000314 *.9 = .000283 'imply' 7 PSI 7 / .433 = 16.167 (h) v = (2gh)^.5 = 32.266 ft/sec 32.266 ft/sec * .000283 ft^3 = .00913 ft^3/sec, * 7.48 * 60 = 4.1 GPM Q = 4.1 P = 7.0 K = 1.55 Brad -Original Message- From: Sprin

Re: spray bar versus deluge heads for opening protection

2016-09-19 Thread Travis Mack
I would ask them how that is a listed discharge device required per NFPA. If you can get past that, I would just ask what is the minimum flow and pressure they require at the point of connection to that pipe. It sounds like they have done this before. Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC "Follow"