Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
philchillbill wrote: > The last time I drove through a red light with my eyes closed at 100MPH > nobody hit me from the side... :cool: Doesn't really prove anything > though. Well, driving through red lights at 100mph blindfolded is likely to have serious consequences, more so than powering a Pi by USB from a NAS. And if it causes problems, I can choose to use a separate power supply. This Pi just serves music to a number of devices, and doesn't have to power a USB drive or an output HAT or screen. Seems to have performed fine for a week or so since I set it up. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
I did a clean rescan last night, and yesterday I used LMS to stream to three players, two Bluetooth speakers, and Bitrate limited streaming to an iPeng iPad at the same time I tried to connect USBDAC, but the DAC didnt power up. So as long as you do not connect anything to the PI four USB, I think it is safe to use without the power supply, just powering it by the USB of the NAS The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > Well, it has worked so far! Though that has only been a week or so. > Before that I powered a 3B+ the same way. > The last time I drove through a red light with my eyes closed at 100MPH nobody hit me from the side... :cool: Doesn't really prove anything though. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Pommes wrote: > After reading this, I just connected my PI 4 to the USB outlet of my > Nas. > Do you think the power is sufficient, even for demanding tasks like > scanning? Well, it has worked so far! Though that has only been a week or so. Before that I powered a 3B+ the same way. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
philchillbill wrote: > Sure - thats a real PSU and delivers enough juice. > > @pommes is the one living on the edge by using a USB port to power a pi. I bought the 5 V three amp out units, as well. But I just hooked it to my Nas USB, I will see how this goes. In the worst case I can always switch back to the real power supply The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Sure - thats a real PSU and delivers enough juice. @pommes is the one living on the edge by using a USB port to power a pi. philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
philchillbill wrote: > The official pi4 PSU is 15W. A USB port on a NAS is very likely 5V @ > 900mA (if USB3) so 4.5W. Sounds like this is really pushing things... I use the "canaKit" USB 'C' power supply that is sold with the "CanaKit" rPi4B package. It shows as 5.1V, 3.5A. I use this on 3 different rPi4B's with 4TB 3.0USB drives attached and have no issues. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B-8GB/pCP7.0/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
The official pi4 PSU is 15W. A USB port on a NAS is very likely 5V @ 900mA (if USB3) so 4.5W. Sounds like this is really pushing things... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
garym wrote: > Clarify how you're using the rPi4 in conjunction with the NAS? Are you > saying you are simply powering the rPi with the USB outlet of the NAS > instead of having a separate USB 'C' power supply for the rPi? (and > then running LMS on the rPi and pointing that LMS to the NAS as a > network share for holding the actual music files?) Yes sir, exactly like this. And I just did a re-scan, not a clean rescan. And it was successful. I have disabled HDMI though, but I have enabled Bluetooth and it is connected to my Bluetooth speaker. And all this, without an extra power supply! The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Pommes wrote: > After reading this, I just connected my PI 4 to the USB outlet of my > Nas. > Do you think the power is sufficient, even for demanding tasks like > scanning? Clarify how you're using the rPi4 in conjunction with the NAS? Are you saying you are simply powering the rPi with the USB outlet of the NAS instead of having a separate USB 'C' power supply for the rPi? (and then running LMS on the rPi and pointing that LMS to the NAS as a network share for holding the actual music files?) *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B-8GB/pCP7.0/4TB>LMS 8.1.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > On the other hand, an Intel NUC7CJYH from Amazon.co.uk is £169.98. > I set up a new LMS server with a Pi4 from Amazon at £57.50, with a case > at about £20. It's powered via USB from the NAS, and I used a 32Gb SD > card I had lying around the place! > > Robert After reading this, I just connected my PI 4 to the USB outlet of my Nas. Do you think the power is sufficient, even for demanding tasks like scanning? The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
philchillbill wrote: > The OP's original question was actually about an OS rather than h/w so > I'll chip in that LMS runs wonderfully under Ubuntu if he wants to > remove the Win10 install from the machine he bought. Thanks yes - just wanting to know which is OS provides the most set-it-and-forget-it OS experience to run LMS on. Latest Mac OS is definitely not it. 3x Squeezebox Touch 1x Squeezebox Classic Server: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9. Mobile: 3x Ipeng on Iphone / 2x Ipeng on Ipad / Orange Squeeze+Squeeze Player Laptops: 2x Squeezeplay 7.8.0-r328 Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
I think the original draw for the piCorePlayer/RPi combo was as a replacement for aging SqueezeBox hardware, as it was for me when my Classic 2 died. I needed something that could connect to an LMS (which at the time was running on a Windows desktop across the room) that also had the audio outs to my stereo, as did my Classic 2. That's where HiFiBerry entered the picture, first with their add-on card for RCA output, then the Digi+ for digital/optical out. I have no hesitation recommending them. I later added a NAS and that allowed me to also use the same RPi as an LMS. It's small size allows it to sit literally on top of the NAS next to the DSL router next to my AV Receiver. I cannot do that with a laptop or other "fullsize" computer. It works very well. I only occasionally have an issue with DB corruption that is almost always alleviated by prefs/cache removal and a rebuild. It then works for months. Another poster to this thread says to check the SD card I'm using as it may not be optimized for the kind of I/O that LMS requires (especially since I do rescans each night). That's an easy thing to "fix" and I'll likely do it the next time the DB issue occurs. All that said, you are exactly correct that OP was asking about hardware for LMS server use. I use my piCorePlayer RPi for that purpose, and have for several years. -- “Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence.” ― Aristotle On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:48 AM philchillbill < philchillbill.9ua...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > The OP's original question was actually about an OS rather than h/w so > I'll chip in that LMS runs wonderfully under Ubuntu if he wants to > remove the Win10 install from the machine he bought. To those promoting > the wondrousness of the pi, some thoughts: > > I just bought a new Intel NUC7CJYH on Amazon.nl on sale for EUR 98 plus > EUR 17 for 4GB of RAM. I had a spare 120GB SSD lying around but they > only cost about EUR 20 at present. Total EUR 135. This system has a > dual-core Celeron with a TDP of 10W. It already comes with a case and > 65W PSU, has a built in microphone array, built-in IR receiver, WiFi, > BT, ethernet, 4x USB, and it sports a fullsize HDMI socket. I put Ubuntu > 20.04 LTS on it. > > A pi4 with 4GB will cost you EUR 60, you'll need a case (everybody seems > to like the FLIRC case which is EUR 27), a power supply at EUR 10, and a > decent 128GB Sandisk Extreme Pro SD card for fair comparison's sake > costs EUR 35 on Amazon. Total EUR 132. > > In other words, when you try to make a 'complete' computer out of a pi > you end up at the price point of a NUC, which is a 'real' computer out > of the box. All prices are approximate but the math will always pan out > in pretty much the same ballpark - we are not counting pennies after > all. > > Don't get me wrong here - I think the pi is a wonderful invention. I > just don't understand that people mostly look at the price of the bare > board and forget what all the extras cost. When you do that, the > entry-level NUCs are a better buy IMHO. And they can be repurposed to > run Win10 if desired, which a pi cannot do. > > Just sayin... > > > > philchillbill's Profile: > http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 > > ___ > Squeezecenter mailing list > Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter > ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Grumpy Bob wrote: > On the other hand, an Intel NUC7CJYH from Amazon.co.uk is £169.98. > I set up a new LMS server with a Pi4 from Amazon at £57.50, with a case > at about £20. It's powered via USB from the NAS, and I used a 32Gb SD > card I had lying around the place! > > Robert Already paying post-Brexit prices? [emoji23] philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
On the other hand, an Intel NUC7CJYH from Amazon.co.uk is £169.98. I set up a new LMS server with a Pi4 from Amazon at £57.50, with a case at about £20. It's powered via USB from the NAS, and I used a 32Gb SD card I had lying around the place! Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
The OP's original question was actually about an OS rather than h/w so I'll chip in that LMS runs wonderfully under Ubuntu if he wants to remove the Win10 install from the machine he bought. To those promoting the wondrousness of the pi, some thoughts: I just bought a new Intel NUC7CJYH on Amazon.nl on sale for EUR 98 plus EUR 17 for 4GB of RAM. I had a spare 120GB SSD lying around but they only cost about EUR 20 at present. Total EUR 135. This system has a dual-core Celeron with a TDP of 10W. It already comes with a case and 65W PSU, has a built in microphone array, built-in IR receiver, WiFi, BT, ethernet, 4x USB, and it sports a fullsize HDMI socket. I put Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on it. A pi4 with 4GB will cost you EUR 60, you'll need a case (everybody seems to like the FLIRC case which is EUR 27), a power supply at EUR 10, and a decent 128GB Sandisk Extreme Pro SD card for fair comparison's sake costs EUR 35 on Amazon. Total EUR 132. In other words, when you try to make a 'complete' computer out of a pi you end up at the price point of a NUC, which is a 'real' computer out of the box. All prices are approximate but the math will always pan out in pretty much the same ballpark - we are not counting pennies after all. Don't get me wrong here - I think the pi is a wonderful invention. I just don't understand that people mostly look at the price of the bare board and forget what all the extras cost. When you do that, the entry-level NUCs are a better buy IMHO. And they can be repurposed to run Win10 if desired, which a pi cannot do. Just sayin... philchillbill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68920 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
I have to keep two laptops running 24/7 for business. One Win 7 and one Win 10. LMS running on both for years without issue. toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
My main LMS server is a Pi4 running pCP. I make a periodic backup of the SD card so that if anything does happen to the card, it's very quick and easy to get up and running again. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 4/pCP7.0/LMS8.0.1/Material with files on QNAP TS-251A Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS8.0.0 running on Raspberry Pi3; Raspberry Pi 3 player with touchscreen/piCorePlayer/IQaudIO DAC and Amp *Portable:* Raspberry Pi 3B/pCP6.1.0/LMS8.0.0/Material, files on Seagate portable drive, powered via power brick Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
gstalnaker wrote: > > I typically schedule a full rescan each night at 2am. Is this not > advised? > A full rescan will result in a lot of write operations on the card, decreasing it's life time. > > Also, which SD cards are considered best when they are the primary > "partition" for an operating system and a running server (like > piCorePlayer > and LMS)? > see 'this recommendation' (https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Getting-Started/#how-to-prepare-a-sd-card). tldr: SanDisk A1 rated SD-Cards, check for counterfeit SD cards directly after purchase 'Various SW' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/sw/): Web Interface | TUI | Playlist Editor / Generator | Music Classification | Similar Music | Announce | EventTrigger | Chiptunes | LMSlib2go | ... 'Various HowTos' (https://www.nexus0.net/pub/documents/LMS/): build a self-contained LMS | Bluetooth/ALSA | Control LMS with any device | ... Roland0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56808 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
PiCorePlayer+RPI4+LMS database / library running from HDD/SSD. (So safe away from SD card). Better than my Synology NAS better than my WHS2011 NAS! better than my Windows 10. Plays to around 8 headless units. Fab. Happy Christmas! JulianH's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66602 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
gstalnaker wrote: > > Also, which SD cards are considered best when they are the primary > "partition" for an operating system and a running server (like > piCorePlayer > and LMS)? > Can't really answer that because I don't run a Pi myself (or any other hardware running from some type of memory card). I happen to run a home automation system on my LMS host as well though and have seen many issues raised on that system's users forum that were related to SD card failure on Pis. The ones that were lucky (in some sense) reported that recorded information would get lost between reboots, but others would simply loose everything on account of database corruption. As said, Samsung cards are mentioned to have the highest rate of failure in this type of usage. Really the only thing I can advice in this matter is to make backups. gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Osamede wrote: > Been running LMS on a headless Mac Mini for many years, for compactness > and quietness. After many years of running LMS on Mac OS, I've found it > very difficult over the past year or more, with either the server not > visible, or the library showing empty because no access to the files. > LMS is the only thing that doesn't run properly on this machine - my > Plex video server for example, runs fine on it. Tried troubleshooting on > this forum, but it never works properly for long. And I can't even get > it to autostart after reboots for OS updates etc. I've been running LMS on a vintage Mini (2012) for many years now. It works. About the "autostart": just tell LMS *not* to autostart and then put a plain text file named *Squeezebox.plist* in -~/Library/LaunchAgents - (create folder if it doesn't exist) with this content (replace YOURSHORTUSERNAME): Code: Label Squeezebox RunAtLoad Program /Library/PreferencePanes/Squeezebox.prefPane/Contents/server/slimserver.pl ProgramArguments /Library/PreferencePanes/Squeezebox.prefPane/Contents/server/slimserver.pl --nomysqueezebox WorkingDirectory /Library/PreferencePanes/Squeezebox.prefPane/Contents/server Works for me (7.9 on 10.15). Note: the ---nomysqueezebox - flag tells LMS to start with the mysqueezebox.com or mysb.com services disabled. Delete that if you need them. afriend's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39306 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
If you're running a Windows machine for other purposes, I'm sure you can likely make LMS run just fine. However, if you just want a simple LMS box, small, low power consumption, incredibly reliable, regularly community maintained etc., then I'm not why you'd look past running LMS on picoreplayer. The core team is brilliant, the hardware costs next to nothing and everything just works. I've got 7 Pi's running pcp, one of those running my LMS and also serving a Boom and a Transporter. Just love it. psketch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56555 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
gordonb3, I typically schedule a full rescan each night at 2am. Is this not advised? Also, which SD cards are considered best when they are the primary "partition" for an operating system and a running server (like piCorePlayer and LMS)? I haven't changed that SD card in a LONG time (since it had to shift from 4Gb to 8Gb). As I said, it's stable for many weeks. Then one morning I'll get up and LMS no longer responds. Go to piCorePlayer UI and check and there's the DB error again. I just checked the forum and I see no post I made about DB issues, so I think I may have put it on the Developer Site as a bug. Thanks -- “Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence.” ― Aristotle On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:06 AM gordonb3 < gordonb3.9u8...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > gstalnaker wrote: > > Osamede, > > It is stable for months at a time (though there are times, like this > > very > > morning, where I have to delete LMS prefs/cache and rebuild the library > > after unrecoverable LMS DB errors that no one on this Forum can help > > with). > > > I don't know how often you do a rescan, but those errors are most likely > the result of SD card failure. Particularly Samsung cards are known to > die pretty fast when used for database storage. > > > > gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 > > ___ > Squeezecenter mailing list > Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter > ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
I thought there was an issue with the old perl version used on Windows. https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=988733 Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
LMS runs just fine on win10. If you have a machine that's on all the time anyway why add something else to maintain. As to the windows updates, you can specify what time of day the machine will restart an you can set LMS to auto start either when the machine starts or initial logon (I prefer the machine start which implements LMS as a service). Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.4 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets and Squeeseslave Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.4 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3 Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave Test system - LMS 8.0 nightly on Win10Pro - Squeezeplay Squeezebox Boom - "At Large" player around both home and cabin Headphones and car - Android phone/Bluetooth w/full library on MicroSD card - PowerAmp music player app (similar to Material Skin) w3wilkes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
bpa wrote: > If you haven't used Win10 before, I find the automatic updates which > reboots the PC at strange or inconvenient times may not be the best > chocie for a 24/7 LMS server. That, and of course the fact that a machine capable of running Windows 10 24/7 consumes more power than would be required or even desirable for a home installation. gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
gstalnaker wrote: > Osamede, > It is stable for months at a time (though there are times, like this > very > morning, where I have to delete LMS prefs/cache and rebuild the library > after unrecoverable LMS DB errors that no one on this Forum can help > with). > I don't know how often you do a rescan, but those errors are most likely the result of SD card failure. Particularly Samsung cards are known to die pretty fast when used for database storage. gordonb3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=71050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
If you haven't used Win10 before, I find the automatic updates which reboots the PC at strange or inconvenient times may not be the best chocie for a 24/7 LMS server. A Pi4 based system gives good performance, easy to update and also easy to leave alone for months at a time until you have to update usually due to an external change. Plex will also run on Pi - don't know about performance concerns when both LMS & Plex are running. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
I had zero issues when I was running on a Win10 machine. It just worked. But I now prefer a rPi4B, with attached USB drive, running piCorePlayer. Entire setup is smaller than a paperback book, can be located next to your router, and run 24/7 with essentially zero intervention. I set one up for my brother a year ago (rPi3B+) and he's had zero issuesuses it daily and I'm not sure he even realizes where it is (in a cabinet attached to his router). See: https://docs.picoreplayer.org/how-to/ I know nothing about Linux, etc. But I can follow specific instructions. From start to finish with the rPi, I'm up and running in 30 minutes or less. *Home:* VBA2.5 4TB -or- rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* rPi4B/pCP6.1/4TB>LMS 8.0.x>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>foobar2000 *The Wild: *rPi3B+/pCP4.0, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone11 & iPadAir3 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, Material Skin, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) *Files:* -Ripping-: dbpoweramp > FLAC; -Post-rip-: mp3tag, PerfectTunes, TuneFusion; -Streaming:- Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Osamede, Check out using a Raspberry Pi and piCorePlayer (google both). I have two. One in my bedroom as a headless player (output via 1/8" jack to speaker) and a second in my living room that is both player (output via digital out to stereo, HiFiBerry Digi+ addon card, google HiFiBerry for that) and server, connected to my XyZel NAS where the files are. HiFiBerry sell complete systems, including case/power supply. They are very compact so no need to find room for a desktop tower, etc. It is stable for months at a time (though there are times, like this very morning, where I have to delete LMS prefs/cache and rebuild the library after unrecoverable LMS DB errors that no one on this Forum can help with). There are a lot of people who have moved in this direction as their aging SqueezeBox hardware died (as I did when my SqueezeBox Classic stopped working). Regards. -- “Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim and end of human existence.” ― Aristotle On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 9:50 AM Osamede < osamede.9u8...@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com> wrote: > > Been running LMS on a headless Mac Mini for many years, for compactness > and quietness. After many years of running LMS on Mac OS, I've found it > very difficult over the past year or more, with either the server not > visible, or the library showing empty because no access to the files. > LMS is the only thing that doesn't run properly on this machine - my > Plex video server for example, runs fine on it. Tried troubleshooting on > this forum, but it never works properly for long. And I can't even get > it to autostart after reboots for OS updates etc. > > At this stage, I don't have time or capacity to deal the constant > troubleshooting. So am thinking of moving my LMS to another machine. > > I found what is said to a fairly quiet compact computer (Lenovo M73) on > the used market, with Windows 10 on it. Am wondering if people have > found it more stable to run LMS on Windows 10 than Mac OS? Or would it > be better to wipe the Windows and use a Linux OS? > > > > 3x Squeezebox Touch > 1x Squeezebox Classic > Server: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9. > Mobile: 3x Ipeng on Iphone / 2x Ipeng on Ipad / Orange Squeeze+Squeeze > Player > Laptops: 2x Squeezeplay 7.8.0-r328 > > Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 > View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 > > ___ > Squeezecenter mailing list > Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com > http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter > ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Osamede wrote: > Been running LMS on a headless Mac Mini for many years, for compactness > and quietness. After many years of running LMS on Mac OS, I've found it > very difficult over the past year or more, with either the server not > visible, or the library showing empty because no access to the files. > LMS is the only thing that doesn't run properly on this machine - my > Plex video server for example, runs fine on it. Tried troubleshooting on > this forum, but it never works properly for long. And I can't even get > it to autostart after reboots for OS updates etc. > > At this stage, I don't have time or capacity to deal the constant > troubleshooting. So am thinking of moving my LMS to another machine. > > I found what is said to a fairly quiet compact computer (Lenovo M73) on > the used market, with Windows 10 on it. Am wondering if people have > found it more stable to run LMS on Windows 10 than Mac OS? Or would it > be better to wipe the Windows and use a Linux OS? I have no experience of Mac OS but have used LMS on Windows for some years now with good experience and specifically Windows 10 for the last year. I suspect that whatever OS is used you will not be trouble-free - that's computers for you. Shozzer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=58726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
[SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Throwing in towel on LMS on Mac OS. Does it run OK on Windows 10 or is Linux better?
Been running LMS on a headless Mac Mini for many years, for compactness and quietness. After many years of running LMS on Mac OS, I've found it very difficult over the past year or more, with either the server not visible, or the library showing empty because no access to the files. LMS is the only thing that doesn't run properly on this machine - my Plex video server for example, runs fine on it. Tried troubleshooting on this forum, but it never works properly for long. And I can't even get it to autostart after reboots for OS updates etc. At this stage, I don't have time or capacity to deal the constant troubleshooting. So am thinking of moving my LMS to another machine. I found what is said to a fairly quiet compact computer (Lenovo M73) on the used market, with Windows 10 on it. Am wondering if people have found it more stable to run LMS on Windows 10 than Mac OS? Or would it be better to wipe the Windows and use a Linux OS? 3x Squeezebox Touch 1x Squeezebox Classic Server: Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9. Mobile: 3x Ipeng on Iphone / 2x Ipeng on Ipad / Orange Squeeze+Squeeze Player Laptops: 2x Squeezeplay 7.8.0-r328 Osamede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11753 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113492 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
