Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
The issue with storing file times in UTC (which i agree is the right thing to do in all circumstances by the way) is that when you evaluate the time stamp for display to the user (or internally via an API) the dst offset should be calculated based on the date/time in the file time, not based on the current wall clock date/time... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
Mike Sargent wrote: > Wrong. > > I just did my first "Look for new and changed media files" since the DST > change over and it took about 2 1/2 minutes (94,048 tracks, 4,965 > artists). That's about the same time it always takes. This is Windows > 10. > > FWIW: Windows has always (since Windows NT 1.0 at least) stored file > times as UTC (GMT), so they are independent of time zone or DST changes. > > > Please tell us about the storage system you are using for your music > files. I wonder if it's some issue with a NAS or some other disk format > that doesn't use UTC. > > Mike I will PM the same information that I send to Michael Herger. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
Wrong. Nope. It's been a Windows only issue. I just did my first "Look for new and changed media files" since the DST change over and it took about 2 1/2 minutes (94,048 tracks, 4,965 artists). That's about the same time it always takes. This is Windows 10. That's correct, because that issue has been fixed (for most users anyway) a few years ago. Please tell us about the storage system you are using for your music files. I wonder if it's some issue with a NAS or some other disk format that doesn't use UTC. Yep. Very much my assumption too. The reporter mentions drobos in his footer. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
drmatt wrote: > Ah, it's a Windows thing. Figured. Wrong. I just did my first "Look for new and changed media files" since the DST change over and it took about 2 1/2 minutes (94,048 tracks, 4,965 artists). That's about the same time it always takes. This is Windows 10. FWIW: Windows has always (since Windows NT 1.0 at least) stored file times as UTC (GMT), so they are independent of time zone or DST changes. Please tell us about the storage system you are using for your music files. I wonder if it's some issue with a NAS or some other disk format that doesn't use UTC. Mike Mike Sargent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
philippe_44 wrote: > I understand your frustration, but bear in mind that a lot of people > here, including me, are doing all this for free on their spare time. DST > is painful, but only once a year. Investigating LMS core is a lot of > work. I found an issue with defeat ttp not so long ago and the amount of > effort to investigate and correct was atrocious I completely understand the situation which is why I don't want to cause trouble. By the way, it's not just once but actually twice a year - once at the DST change in the spring and then a second time at the time change back to standard time in the fall. mherger wrote: > > Both of these responses are equivalent to "LMS should not behave in > this > > manner", however, LMS is still behaving as I stated earlier. > > I'll add a third one... Because it's probably not as simple as you > think: but if nobody but you is suffering this issue, couldn't it be > something else on your system causing it? Something specific to your > setup? > > > So could everyone please just stop telling me that the DST rescan > issue > > should not happen and/or that the DST rescan issue has been resolved. > > This time would someone be so kind as to fix the DST rescan issue. > > Instead of calling "fix my system!", you might want to give some > information about it. Eg. what exact LMS version, what other tools > running, your music folder configuration etc. > > -- > > Michael Thank you Michael! i will forward as much information as I can via a PM. Please understand that if the solution is not an easy one and would require lots of time and effort then I can live with the twice a year "clear and rescan". After all I've been dealing with this issue for over ten years. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
Both of these responses are equivalent to "LMS should not behave in this manner", however, LMS is still behaving as I stated earlier. I'll add a third one... Because it's probably not as simple as you think: but if nobody but you is suffering this issue, couldn't it be something else on your system causing it? Something specific to your setup? So could everyone please just stop telling me that the DST rescan issue should not happen and/or that the DST rescan issue has been resolved. This time would someone be so kind as to fix the DST rescan issue. Instead of calling "fix my system!", you might want to give some information about it. Eg. what exact LMS version, what other tools running, your music folder configuration etc. -- Michael ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
Ah, it's a Windows stupidity thing. Figured. Simple answer is to not consider any time changes of less than 61 minutes to be a changed file... hehe .. which could have unintended consequences. For me, this is one more nail in the coffin of windows being a viable server os. For any purpose whatsoever. I'm not sure if there is a standard technique for working around this in windows, but I'm sure it will be a solved problem. -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
I understand your frustration, but bear in mind that a lot of people here, including me, are doing all this for free on their spare time. DST is painful, but only once a year. Investigating LMS core is a lot of work. I found an issue with defeat ttp not so long ago and the amount of effort to investigate and correct was atrocious LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, , Pi B3, B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Odroid-C2, Cubie2, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
drmatt wrote: > I'm not clear on how this is an issue? How does the time stamp on a file > change after DST kicks in? Or is this a Windows thing? kidstypike wrote: > http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18078 Both of these responses are equivalent to "LMS should not behave in this manner", however, LMS is still behaving as I stated earlier. Look I'm not trying to start a flame war or cause trouble but as I stated every time I request to get this issue resolved a few exchanges similar to the ones on this thread occur, nothing changes and LMS still has the DST rescan issue. So could everyone please just stop telling me that the DST rescan issue should not happen and/or that the DST rescan issue has been resolved. This time would someone be so kind as to fix the DST rescan issue. Thanks! Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
ralphpnj wrote: > Not as far as I know. I haven't tried to do a rescan since the latest > time change on March 11th, 2018 but as of the previous time change last > October the issue had not been resolved. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18078 *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
I'm not clear on how this is an issue? How does the time stamp on a file change after DST kicks in? Or is this a Windows thing? -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
kidstypike wrote: > I thought this was fixed a couple of years ago? Not as far as I know. I haven't tried to do a rescan since the latest time change on March 11th, 2018 but as of the previous time change last October the issue had not been resolved. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
I no longer have this issue on my system (LMS 7.9 on Windows 10). bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
Re: [SlimDevices: SqueezeCenter] Daylight Saving Time rescan issue - again!!
ralphpnj wrote: > Well it's that time of year again when we move the clocks ahead one hour > for daylight saving time and performing a "look for new and media files" > rescan on LMS usually leads to scanner.exe believing that all of the > files in the media library have been changed (due to the one hour > difference). > > My usual method of dealing with this issue has been to just clear the > library and do a full rescan (using the control panel). > > I have raised this issue several times in the past only to be told "LMS > should not behave in this manner". This is not an acceptable response > since whether or not LMS should behave in this fashion, the fact remains > that LMS HAS INDEED behaved as I have stated above and continues to > behave in this manner. > > Please tell me what information you might need about my LMS setup and I > will forward you that information. > > And more importantly please fix this long standing issue. > > Thanks!! I thought this was fixed a couple of years ago? *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108815 ___ Squeezecenter mailing list Squeezecenter@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/squeezecenter
