Re: [Standards] geoloc: PEP=user, iq=resource

2007-06-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ralph Meijer wrote: Hi, Not sure where to inject this, so this is as good as any other place. On Thu, 2007-05-31 at 10:05 -0600, Joe Hildebrand wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Ian Paterson wrote: Actually, once PEP starts to be more deployed (hopefully later this year), I'd like to

Re: [Standards] NEW REGISTRY: Alternative XMPP Connection Methods

2007-06-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
404 ? http://www.xmpp.org/registrar/alt-connections.html Hmm there must be an error in my scripts or practices somehow... Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

[Standards] compliance: RFCs or bis drafts?

2007-06-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
In today's meeting of the XMPP Council we discussed whether the specifications we will use for the 2008 certification program (i.e., XEPs 211 and 212) should refer to rfc3920bis and rfc3921bis (the in-progress revisions to RFCs 3920 and 3921, a.k.a. the bis drafts). Here is my take: PRO The

Re: [Standards] adding body as RECOMMENDED field for PEP-protocols?

2007-06-14 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Adam Nemeth wrote: On 6/11/07, Olivier Goffart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And i would even put the body element in the root of the message element. So even client that doesn't support pubsub can receive such message Hmm... I disagree here a bit, but of course, you're the developer, so the

Re: [Standards] XEP-0084 Example Mistake

2007-06-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
' id='retrieve1' Copy-and-paste error. :) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] Jingle initiate and resource determination

2007-06-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
in favor of making life easier for coders. What do others think? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] XEP-0154 and XEP-0084

2007-06-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
people are happy with it and continue to use it. Agreed. I have not seen a great deal of demand for this since people seem happy enough with vcard-temp. But vcard-temp has a lot of problems in theory and has been temp since 1999. Maybe it's time for something better. :) Peter -- Peter Saint

Re: [Standards] Jingle initiate and resource determination

2007-06-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
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Re: [Standards] dialback: piggybacking

2007-06-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Btw, are we not moving to using the stream feature instead of the db namespace in the stream to advertise dialback ? In which case, we could just deprecate both use of the namespace, and support for dialback

Re: [Standards] dialback: piggybacking

2007-06-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Plus it helps us remove 15+ pages from rfc3920bis, which is getting quite long with all the examples I've added. /psa smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] roster schema

2007-06-23 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 03:07:05PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Currently, the XML schema for the jabber:iq:roster namespace does not limit the length of an item name or a group name. I think that might cause problems. In particular I think it might

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Forgot to add, change name from ver ext to verh and exth ? Why? Conflict with existing clients - too many of them in the wild dont use these semantics. But introducing new attributes is backward

Re: [Standards] IDN Names and NodePrep

2007-07-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Chris Mullins wrote: That verbage makes the answer clear. Thanks! I'm not in the habit yet of checking the bis revisions of the specs. I'll have to change that, and make it my starting point. Good idea. In general, the bis specs incorporate errata, corrections, clarifications, and a lot

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul wrote: Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Jul 2, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Forgot to add, change name from ver ext to verh and exth ? Why? Conflict with existing clients - too many of them in the wild dont use

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: That said, I think we can come up with some simpler logic. If a given token is prefixed with 'h$', for instance, we know it's a hash and should be both validated against the result, and -- if it matches -- cached globally instead of per-client. But for backwards

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Tue, Jul 03, 2007 at 09:18:59AM -0600, Joe Hildebrand wrote: hash='MD5' and make it mutually-exclusive with ext. Why exclusive? ext for the old clients, hash to check if it makes sense? caps:c node='client' ext='f1 f2 f3' hash='the-hash'/ Or

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-03 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Joe Hildebrand wrote: I just talked to stpeter IRL (he's all of 10 feet from me; should have done that first thing this morning!), I just measured. It's 15 feet. :P and made sure he understood what I was after. I'm replying to Rachel's mail, since it hits on the two (in my mind) remaining

Re: [Standards] XEP-0108: registry?

2007-07-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Daniel Noll wrote: Someone poked me about adding the following activity to XEP-0108: talking/on_video_phone Which seems reasonable and I'm happy to add it to the spec. But it strikes me that we might just want to have a registry for this kind of thing, eh? :) A registry would be nice,

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Mridul wrote: So queries for both bare jid and ns#ver will be supported (and return the same value) ? And all clients using newer spec would use bare jid I suppose ? (so that we can deprecate ns#ver and remove this in the future) Yes. But we do lose ability to

Re: [Standards] Re: [jdev] XEP-0115: Entity Capabilities

2007-07-04 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Jul 4, 2007, at 5:35 AM, Ian Paterson wrote: 'ext' and pre-defined sets only improve security if the choice of a weak hash makes pre-image attacks possible. So why don't we make things easier for everyone and simply recommend a stronger hash instead? So, to pull

Re: [Standards] XEP-0108: registry?

2007-07-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I not just set DND while on a video call? XEP-0108 is for things that are much more granular than showdnd/show. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

[Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
We still need to figure out private storage via pubsub. Joe Hildebrand proposed that we tack +private on the end of the namespace (NodeID): http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-March/014758.html Rephrasing and generalizing his email based on subsequent list discussion, I would present

Re: [Standards] 'from' address on roster push

2007-07-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 27-06-2007, śro o godzinie 16:50 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): So I propose the following text: A server MUST ignore any 'to' address on a roster set, and MUST treat any roster set as applying to the sender. A server MUST NOT include a 'from

Re: [Standards] 'from' address on roster push

2007-07-05 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 05-07-2007, czw o godzinie 16:31 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): Now, a 'from' address of the full JID seems odd to me. What if I send an IQ-set from one of my resources to another? Does that mean I can do roster pushes directly from one resource to another

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 is harmful and should be deferred

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Daniel Noll wrote: On Friday 06 July 2007 09:00, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Robin Redeker wrote: And I think announcing capabilities seems to be a great application of PEP/PubSub. I can already imagine the client setting: PEP depends on XEP-0115. Circular dependencies seem like a bad idea

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Andreas Monitzer wrote: On Jul 06, 2007, at 17:55, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Isn't not-authorized an iq result, and thus not applicable for a message stanza? If the message contains only the attention element (as it certainly should), then the recipient can simply ignore it. It's

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Getting a User's Attention

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: How do other services implement this kind of poke feature? I assume in the UI you can right-click or whatever to choose poke stpeter and your client sends this special message off to me. I think it's less likely that you'd send a message (hey pay attention!) with the

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Whenever a client publishes the first item to a node that ends in +[accessmodel], the pubsub service MUST create the node with a default access model equal to the specified model (that is open or presence or roster or authorize or whitelist). [1

[Standards] RC2 of bis drafts

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
-rfc3920bis-03.html http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-03.html Thanks! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
respects except those specified in the preconditions (in this case, the node would be created with an access model of whitelist) and the publish succeeds. Correct? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Whether to autocreate or to return error saying node does not exist (item-not-found) - can this be an implementation detail ? That is, are clients expected to handle the error path too and explictly create ? We do not have auto create in pubsub iirc (not sure if

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
it may be the best we can do. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre XMPP Standards Foundation http://www.xmpp.org/xsf/people/stpeter.shtml smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We already have one such solution/hack in PEP: the +notify namespaces used in entity capabilities to signal that a subscriber wants to receive notifications related to a given namespace. Your suggestion of +whitelist (etc.) is in the same spirit

Re: [Standards] private storage revisited

2007-07-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: So we'd have something like this: iq from='juliet at capulet.com/balcony' type='set' id='foo' pubsub xmlns='http://jabber.org/protocol/pubsub' publish node='http://jabber.org/protocol/activity' item activity xmlns='http

Re: [Standards] roster schema

2007-07-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
in the RFCs, however. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] XEP-0004: Data Forms - Open Issues

2007-07-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0004-2.9.html http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0004.xml?r1=851r2=1031 We had a discussion [1] about ordering of items in the jdev room today so I've made an adjustment [2] to clarify that as well. /psa

[Standards] XEP-0077: clarification and correction

2007-07-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Based on a message I received off-list, I've provisionally made one clarification and one correction to XEP-0077 (In-Band Registration): http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0077.xml?r1=535r2=1032 http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0077-2.3.html#usecases-cancel /psa

[Standards] XEP-0115 1.4pre1

2007-07-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
I've made a first pass at updating XEP-0115 (Entity Capabilities) in line with recent list discussion: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0115-1.4.html http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0115.xml?r1=742r2=1035 Feedback is welcome as always. Peter -- Peter Saint

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 1.4pre1

2007-07-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: I've made a first pass at updating XEP-0115 (Entity Capabilities) in line with recent list discussion: This looks like a good first pass. - In section 1.2 How it Works: 1. If Benvolio is publishing caps with a different 'node

[Standards] XEP-0115 1.4pre2

2007-07-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0115-1.4.html Diff from 1.4pre1: http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0115.xml?r1=1035r2=1037 Diff from 1.3: http://svn.xmpp.org:18080/browse/XMPP/trunk/extensions/xep-0115.xml?r1=1037r2=742 Version 1.3 is archived here:

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 1.4pre1

2007-07-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ian Paterson wrote: - In section 1.2 How it Works: 1. If Benvolio is publishing caps with a different 'node' but the same 'ver' then I don't need to perform another disco#info. So can you make that clear from the very outset by giving Benvolio

[Standards] [Fwd: [Council] meeting minutes, 2007-07-11]

2007-07-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI Original Message Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:16:30 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Council] meeting minutes, 2007-07-11 Results of the XMPP Council meeting held 2007-07-11... Agenda: http

Re: [Standards] XEP-0004: Data Forms - Open Issues

2007-07-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tobias Markmann wrote: I just noticed that it doesn't define whether duplicates are allowed in jid-multi or not either. What's the point of duplicates? IMHO the jid-multi field SHOULD NOT include duplicates and duplicates MUST be ignored. /psa smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic

Re: [Standards] XEP-0004: Data Forms - Open Issues

2007-07-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Tobias Markmann wrote: I just noticed that it doesn't define whether duplicates are allowed in jid-multi or not either. What's the point of duplicates? IMHO the jid-multi field SHOULD NOT include duplicates and duplicates MUST be ignored. http://svn.xmpp.org:18080

Re: [Standards] XEP-0115 1.4pre2

2007-07-12 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Jul 11 15:59:39 2007, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0115-1.4.html This looks good. For maximum pedantry, you might note that the base64 encoding used MUST NOT contain whitespace (which RFC 4648 says is the default anyway

[Standards] inactive XEPs

2007-07-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
The following XEPs have been inactive for 6+ months and therefore are subject to automatic deferral. If you have an interest in these specs, please speak up. XEP-0150: Use of Entity Tags in XMPP Extensions http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0150.html XEP-0151: Virtual Presence

Re: [Standards] inactive XEPs

2007-07-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Andreas Monitzer wrote: On Jul 13, 2007, at 20:54, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: The following XEPs have been inactive for 6+ months and therefore are subject to automatic deferral. If you have an interest in these specs, please speak up. XEP-0154: User Profile http://www.xmpp.org

Re: [Standards] inactive XEPs

2007-07-13 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0195.html XEP-0196: User Gaming http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0196.html XEP-0197: User Viewing http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0197.html Maybe we can interest the Atom community in extensions for this kind of thing. Peter -- Peter Saint

Re: [Standards] inactive XEPs

2007-07-16 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: The following XEPs have been inactive for 6+ months and therefore are subject to automatic deferral. If you have an interest in these specs, please speak up. XEP-0154: User Profile http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0154.html Now

[Standards] [Fwd: [MMUSIC] open-source ICE implementations (was: RE: ICE deployment data before LC for RFC)]

2007-07-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Regarding XEP-0176 and those who say ICE isn't implemented anywhere so how can we use it in XMPP? Original Message From: Kai Vehmanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 15:27:53 +0300 Organization: Nokia Subject: [MMUSIC] open-source ICE

Re: [Standards] mutual authentication and XEP 178

2007-07-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tony Finch wrote: Following a discussion on the ejabberd list, I've noticed that XEP 178 makes no mention of certificates being presented by the target of a connection and verified by the source of the connection, as is usual. I guess that this is a mistake, since it is omitted for both c2s

[Standards] XEP-0060: publish-options

2007-07-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
At http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2007-July/015878.html and other messages in that thread, we talked about a kind of publishing an item only certain preconditionsn are met. Ralph Meijer mentioned that we could broaden this to include publish-options other than preconditions:

[Standards] XEP-0060 and XEP-0163 updates

2007-07-17 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI, the latest provisional versions are here... 1. XEP-0060: Publish-Subscribe Version: 1.10pre2 URL: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/tmp/xep-0060-1.10.html Changelog: In accordance with XMPP Council consensus, moved the auto-create, auto-subscribe, filtered-notifications, and last-published

[Standards] PEP, POP, PIP

2007-07-18 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Title: Private Data via PEP Abstract: This document specifies XMPP semantics for using the personal eventing subset of XMPP publish-subscribe to persistently store private data such as bookmarks and client configuration options. URL:

Re: [Standards] XEP-0047 (Flow rate control for IBB)

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
William Voorsluys wrote: Hello, But, according to the XEP, it is not allowed to include any inner XML stanza on the iq of type RESULT used as ACK: iq from='[EMAIL PROTECTED]/balcony' to='[EMAIL PROTECTED]/orchard' type='result' id='ibb1'/ That's just an example. The RFC allows zero

[Standards] XEP-0045: direct invitations

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Currently it is not possible to send room invitations directly from one person to another. That is, the invitation must go through the room. See: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#invite This can cause problems with deployments that use privacy lists to block communications from

[Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different: StPeter stpeter STPETER Some

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: We could solve it by applying the Nodeprep profile of stringprep, but that would forbid things like whitespace and the ' and : characters. (Naturally, those characters could be escaped using XEP-0106 if desired.) Er, that's wrong. XEP-0106 is for node identifiers only

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids This means that the following roomnicks are all different:

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: direct invitations

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:27:51PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Currently it is not possible to send room invitations directly from one person to another. That is, the invitation must go through the room. See: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: direct invitations

2007-07-19 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello, On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 03:34:25PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:27:51PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Currently it is not possible to send room invitations directly from one person

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: roomnick case

2007-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 02:36:25PM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Currently in XEP-0045, roomnicks are case-sensitive. To be precise roomnicks are handled according to the Resourceprep profile of stringprep: http://www.xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#bizrules-jids

Re: [Standards] XEP-0045: direct invitations

2007-07-20 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: *Maybe* we need to consider addressing the valid reasons that Google Talk feels it needs this policy, rather than handling the symptoms of the policy? Can we solve the real problem? i.e. can we create enough anti-spim protocols and/or infrastructure to make Google (and

Re: [Standards] JID Escaping

2007-07-22 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Robin Redeker wrote: On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 09:20:27AM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote: I think the whole XEP should be renamed to something like: XEP-0106 - JID Mapping for Gateways This would be better. But it breaks the generic usage of JIDs for both users and gateways. It will create a

Re: [Standards] SASL protocol errors reporting

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: What error condition should I report when there is a SASL level error? For example a malformed challenge had been sent. Nothing of http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-03.html#sasl-errors seems really appropriate. The actual problem is

Re: [Standards] SASL protocol errors reporting

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 25-07-2007, śro o godzinie 09:32 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): The actual problem is described on http://jabberd2.xiaoka.com/ticket/116 What do you mean by malformed challenge? The contents of the BASE64 encoded data is somehow

Re: [Standards] SASL protocol errors reporting

2007-07-25 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 25-07-2007, śro o godzinie 09:32 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): The actual problem is described on http://jabberd2.xiaoka.com/ticket/116 What do you mean by malformed challenge? The contents of the BASE64 encoded data is somehow unparsable

Re: [Standards] SASL protocol errors reporting

2007-07-26 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 25-07-2007, śro o godzinie 09:32 -0700, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): We have a malformed-request error here: http://www.xmpp.org/internet-drafts/draft-saintandre-rfc3920bis-03.html#sasl-errors-malformed-request My concern is that we do not have it here: http

Re: [Standards] JID Escaping

2007-07-30 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
addresses would be possible. (i.e. any valid e-mail address could then be used as a JID as well) Right. It's worth investigating. Also, changing nodeprep seems like it might cause problems with backward compatibility, no? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description

Re: [Standards] JID Escaping

2007-07-31 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: IMO, (un)escaping should only be done by the entities which need to do so - we should not mix a routing construct with display. Sure. We never mess with the routing. From the client perspective, XEP-0106 is only

Re: [Standards] JID Escaping

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
. Which would provide an argument for removing it from the compliance suites (even at the recommended level) and clarifying the scope of applicability in XEP-0106. And maybe that would enable us to end this damn thread. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME

[Standards] XMPP 1.1?

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
to contact some folks at the IETF about the issues with DIGEST-MD5). Thoughts? Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

[Standards] summary: allowable characters

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
that it would disallow only the at-sign (@). (Naturally we can discuss this further...) As to how it is discovered that a server supports nodeprep2, I will post a separate message about that. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] summary: allowable characters

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 11:40:25AM -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Clearly we can't allow @ because we use that character as a separator between the node identifier and the domain identifier. Email address can contain @ in the username part

Re: [Standards] summary: allowable characters

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Thomas Charron wrote: On 8/2/07, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What specifically breaks? Does it depend on which characters would be allowed in nodeprep2? I agree that / and @ are problematic, but the characters ' seem less so. But I may be missing something. I believe

Re: [Standards] XMPP 1.1?

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 02-08-2007, czw o godzinie 13:22 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre napisał(a): The sooner we implement XMPP version dependant features mechanics in our software, the faster we're be able to move forward. :-) Did you forget the sarcasm/sarcasm wrapper? No I did not. OK

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Component Connections

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Component Connections Abstract: This document specifies a standards-track XMPP protocol extension that enables server components to connect to XMPP servers.

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Component Connections

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Fabio Forno wrote: XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Component Connections Abstract: This document specifies a standards-track XMPP protocol extension that enables server components to connect to XMPP servers. URL:

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Message Stanza Profiles

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Justin Karneges wrote: On Wednesday 01 August 2007 10:10 am, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote: Hello Wouldn't it be better to discourage _sending_ such messages instead of recommending how to handle them? At last a notice that sending such message is a bad thing (dumb

Re: [Standards] summary: allowable characters

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Btw, changing nodeprep now will cause quite a lot of problem with existing deployments - since the contact jid's are part of the user data - and would pretty much mean we cant adopt bis spec. What specifically

Re: [Standards] summary: allowable characters

2007-08-02 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Matthias Wimmer wrote: Peter Saint-Andre schrieb: Well we're having a long discussion about this in the jdev room right now: http://www.jabber.org/muc-logs/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2007-08-02.html I just read the log. Sounds good and is how I intended/proposed that it would work: - Escaping

Re: [Standards] MUC rooms on roster.

2007-08-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Mridul Muralidharan wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Tomasz Sterna wrote: I was talking with Grégoire Menuel (mu-conference developer) about implementing Peter's idea of MUC rooms as items on the roster. Basically the idea is to teach MUC component to answer to subscription requests. So

[Standards] FW: RFC 4979 on IANA Registration for Enumservice 'XMPP'

2007-08-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RFC 4979 on IANA Registration for Enumservice 'XMPP' A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

Re: [Standards] IMML

2007-08-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Top-posting discouraged, comments at the bottom. On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 12:04:25AM +0100, Alex Jones wrote: On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 14:56 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Alex Jones wrote: I don't see how XHTML-IM can support icon delimitation like IMML. I really don't think we

Re: [Standards] IMML

2007-08-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ian Paterson wrote: Alex Jones wrote: On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 13:21 +0100, Ian Paterson wrote: Mridul Muralidharan wrote: If we just add another tag to explicitly mark emoticons - and remove the implicit rendering completely - then Alex's baseline requirements should be done with

[Standards] [Fwd: [Council] meeting minutes, 2007-08-08]

2007-08-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
FYI. Original Message Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 12:48:57 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Council] meeting minutes, 2007-08-08 Results of the XMPP Council meeting held 2007-08-08... Agenda: http://www.jabber.org/council/meetings

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0225 (Component Connections)

2007-08-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Version 0.1 of XEP-0225 (Component Connections) has been released. Abstract: This document specifies a standards-track XMPP protocol extension that enables server components to connect to XMPP servers. One of the items up for discussion is the default namespace

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0225 (Component Connections)

2007-08-08 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Rachel Blackman wrote: On Aug 8, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: XMPP Extensions Editor wrote: Version 0.1 of XEP-0225 (Component Connections) has been released. Abstract: This document specifies a standards-track XMPP protocol extension that enables server components

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0225 (Component Connections)

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Tomasz Sterna wrote: Dnia 08-08-2007, śro o godzinie 15:11 -0700, Justin Karneges napisał(a): I vote not repeating this mistake. This means no 'jabber:component' or such. The choice should be between 'jabber:client' and 'jabber:server' for the namespace. Use a real attribute or element

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0227 (Portable Import/Export Format for XMPP-IM Servers)

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Magnus Henoch wrote: Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why does this document specify an XML namespace? It doesn't seem necessary to namespace the content. Indeed, not for its own sake; I was thinking about external tools that might want to identify the file, or embed

Re: [Standards] Jingle: UDP relays

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Evgeniy Khramtsov wrote: Peter Saint-Andre wrote: At the recent XMPP devcon, I talked a bit with Thiago Camargo about NAT traversal and media relays. There are really two separate issues here: 1. Finding and using STUN servers for NAT traversal. This is discussed in XEP-0215. New

Re: [Standards] Username Escaping with Gateway Registration

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
clarify this in the spec. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] Username Escaping with Gateway Registration

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Ian Paterson wrote: XEP-0100 Gateway Interaction doesn't, AFAICT, explain whether the username supplied at registration should be the Legacy Service username or the Jabber username. [The difference between these usernames (typically escaping) is explained in section

[Standards] stop command for extended presence formats

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Someone poked me offlist about an oversight in our specs: XEP-0118 (User Tune) includes a way to stop sending tune updates, but there is no such mechanism in XEP-0107 (User Mood), XEP-0108 (User Activity), etc. This seems like a helpful feature and something that we forgot to add to the

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0224 (Attention)

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Sergei Golovan wrote: On 8/9/07, Peter Saint-Andre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sergei Golovan wrote: On 8/9/07, XMPP Extensions Editor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Version 0.1 of XEP-0224 (Attention) has been released. I'd like to comment this version little bit: 1) Headline messages

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0224 (Attention)

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Olivier Goffart wrote: Le mercredi 8 août 2007, XMPP Extensions Editor a écrit : Version 0.1 of XEP-0224 (Attention) has been released. Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for getting the attention of another user. Changelog: Initial published version. (psa) Diff:

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0224 (Attention)

2007-08-09 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Olivier Goffart wrote: Le jeudi 9 août 2007, Peter Saint-Andre a écrit : Olivier Goffart wrote: Le mercredi 8 août 2007, XMPP Extensions Editor a écrit : Version 0.1 of XEP-0224 (Attention) has been released. Abstract: This document defines an XMPP protocol extension for getting

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0224 (Attention)

2007-08-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
defining a payload format. A client could send it either by message or by IQ. If you want to buzz one resource, use IQ. If you want to buzz all resources, use message headline. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature

Re: [Standards] NEW: XEP-0225 (Component Connections)

2007-08-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Ralph Meijer wrote: jabber:server and jabber:client both don't make much sense for component streams. I think we have a couple of choices here: 1. Use a separate namespace for the component streams. 2. Choose from jabber:server and jabber:client 3. Iff we do a new version of XMPP (i.e.

Re: [Standards] MUC rooms on roster.

2007-08-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Joe Hildebrand wrote: On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Joe Hildebrand wrote: 1) A new MUC role which effectively the opposite of visitor. Of course, on the bar napkin, this got written as rotisiv. :) A rotisiv can potentially speak (broadcasting to all

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