: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 09:14, Ted Husted wrote:
James Mitchell wrote:
I get so tired of hearing of this Struts version of PHP or ASP.
Sorry guys, you just can't build a controller with a page by page
scripting technology.
Have you looked
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From: James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
You know, it's funny when I see people posting about comparing .Net with
Struts. As a former
Subject: RE: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
I don't think that the current ASP .NET model is too far off of the
MVC
path. Mostly I think that MVC isn't enforced, but the foundation is
inherently there.
If I had to do a mapping from struts to ASP .NET I would put things
like
this:
.jsp
James Mitchell wrote:
I get so tired of hearing of this Struts version of PHP or ASP.
Sorry guys, you just can't build a controller with a page by page
scripting technology.
Have you looked at Maverick, James?
http://mav.sourceforge.net/
They apparently have .NET and .PHP versions that use
On Wednesday 18 June 2003 09:14, Ted Husted wrote:
James Mitchell wrote:
I get so tired of hearing of this Struts version of PHP or ASP.
Sorry guys, you just can't build a controller with a page by page
scripting technology.
Have you looked at Maverick, James?
As a matter of fact,
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From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 6:46 PM
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On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Giampiero De Ciantis wrote:
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:29:56 -0400
From: Giampiero De Ciantis [EMAIL
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Giampiero De Ciantis wrote:
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:29:56 -0400
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Subject: RE: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
I
I don't think that the current ASP .NET model is too far off of the MVC
path. Mostly I think that MVC isn't enforced, but the foundation is
inherently there.
If I had to do a mapping from struts to ASP .NET I would put things like
this:
.jsp -- .aspx
ActionForm -- Code behind page of
with enough
foresight to put together the common tasks (db connection, common functions)
in one or more include files that get used on every page.
James
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From: David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] MVC
I am curious if anyone is aware of an MVC-type framework for .NET. I
am NOT looking for a Struts port to .NET. I started doing a little
research, searching for things like Best Practices or .NET
Patterns etc. I found almost nothing... no best practices guides.
Not even a single
Ted,
Thanks for the detailed info on .NET ports. Keep us posted on how you
like Maverick! I've downloaded the docs and code and I'll be taking a
look over the next few months. Not too sure what I think yet.
Aaron
Ted Husted wrote:
I am curious if anyone is aware of an MVC-type framework for
I think you should build the .NET version of Struts and call it what I
suggested as a joke in an earlier post .NUTS.
Brandon Goodin
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From: Aaron Longwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:09 PM
To: Struts-User
Subject: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for
MVC is never used as a term in the Microsoft world that I know of. When
I was doing Microsoft stuff as well as java, up to the intro of .NET,
the architectural paradigm for building best practice apps was based
around the Microsoft Solutions Framework or MSF. You have to know all
about that to
I am curious if anyone is aware of an MVC-type framework for .NET. I am
NOT looking for a Struts port to .NET. I started doing a little
research, searching for things like Best Practices or .NET Patterns
etc. I found almost nothing... no best practices guides. Not even a
single
Ye, and you can call it .NUTS design pattern. :)
(just jokes 'couse)
--Alen
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From: Brandon Goodin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 9:45 AM
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I think you
The MFC architecture is based on MVC ..
Implemented using Document and View classes ..
On web Front .. I have no Idea ..
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From: Adam Hardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 1:24 PM
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MVC and ASP.NET
some resource.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/architecture/patterns/ImpMVCinASP/default.aspx
--Alen
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From: Aaron Longwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 7:09 AM
Subject: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
Sorry I'm bored with this whole Microsoft subject...
If you want to waste your money and only deploy of windows thats your
look out.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/usergroups/find.asp
On Friday, Jun 13, 2003, at 10:09 Europe/London, Alen Ribic wrote:
MVC and ASP.NET
some resource.
On Fri, 2003-06-13 at 07:09, Aaron Longwell wrote:
2) Mistaken? There really are MVC frameworks in .NET... but they are all
internal... and no community oriented projects exist.
Well, there's maverick (mav.sourceforge.net); a Struts competitor MVC
framework which, although originally written
My jaw dropped when I read the headline on this page I haven't read
the article yet.
From our short discussion, I think my first theory was right:
1) Naive to not notice that Java Enterprise developers are light-years
ahead of MS developers in terms of programming practices, design
Whoa... MS Has released J#... that would be .NET Java.
Anybody used this? Maybe I could just build an app with struts... then
copy the Business/Data Tier code to a .NET app in J#.
Is J# code compatible with REAL java?
Aaron Longwell wrote:
I hope I don't start a huge debate
with that
My understanding is that J# is only included in .NET to allow a transition
path from Java to C#. It's definitely not one of the more supported .NET
languages and it's *not* Java.
David
Whoa... MS Has released J#... that would be .NET Java.
Anybody used this? Maybe I could just build an app
] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
Whoa... MS Has released J#... that would be .NET Java.
Anybody used this? Maybe I could just build an app with struts... then
copy the Business/Data Tier code to a .NET app in J#.
Is J# code compatible with REAL java?
Aaron Longwell wrote:
I hope I
Adam Hardy wrote:
MVC is never used as a term in the Microsoft world that I know of.
But this makes complete sense, in a sick way. In a MS environment,
portability probably isn't as big a concern, and while there are
certainly other reasons to use MVC, it strikes me that the biggest is to
But this makes complete sense, in a sick way. In a MS environment,
portability probably isn't as big a concern,
It's no concern at all because you have nothing to port to.
and while there are certainly other reasons to use MVC, it strikes me that
the biggest is to maintain abstractions between
of an issue as the versions roll on), but great for
enterprise apps.
-Gp
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 13, 2003 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
But this makes complete sense, in a sick way
, 2003 10:58 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] MVC / Model 2 for Microsoft ???
But this makes complete sense, in a sick way. In a MS environment,
portability probably isn't as big a concern,
It's no concern at all because you have nothing to port to.
and while
The enforcement is the key I see lots of MS Developers do sloppy
things because they can.
Now let's be fair. MS developers aren't the only sloppy ones out there.
David
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