Re: [Sugar-devel] I would like to help with translating

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

We have weblate  which contains some of our
projects - including Music Blocks -, which you can use to translate.

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On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 7:49 PM Devin Ulibarri  wrote:

> Hi Joshua,
>
>
> First of all, thank you so much for volunteering!
>
>
> There are different projects with different ways of pulling in
> translations.
>
>
> The one that I'm most familiar with is Music Blocks. If that project
> interests you, I can help.
>
>
> You could, for example, read the English documentation at
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/tree/master/guide and
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/musicblocks/tree/master/documentation, copy
> the markdown into a new file, translate it, then send to us to put into the
> main repository.
>
>
> I also recommend that you join our chat on Matrix, so that contributors
> may assist you in real time: https://matrix.to/#/#sugar:matrix.org
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> Devin
>
>
>
> Joshua Tan:
>
> To whom it may concern,
>
> I was directed to this list to express my interest in helping with
> translating sugarlabs into my native language, Malay. Do you have advice on
> how I could proceed?
>
> I look forward to hearing from you,
> Joshua Tan
> *First year CS student*
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Announcement] Sugarizer v1.8 - 10th Anniversary edition - is available for your device

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Congratulations!!🎉

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On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 9:28 PM Martin Abente Lahaye 
wrote:

> Congratulations !!
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2024 at 4:11 PM Lionel Laské 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm proud to announce version 1.8 of Sugarizer (https://sugarizer.org),
>> the leading learning platform for children. It's the 10th Anniversary
>> edition: happy birthday Sugarizer!
>>
>> New in this version:
>>
>>- Chart Activity: Unleash your creativity and data prowess with the
>>new Chart Activity. Organize your information in a visually appealing way.
>>Choose the best chart for your data and make your presentation stand out.
>>Try it now!
>>
>>
>>- Word Puzzle in Exerciser:This new template in Exerciser activity
>>empowers educators to create engaging word puzzles on the fly during
>>lessons, providing a dynamic and interactive learning experience for
>>students. With the ability to incorporate text, images, sounds,
>>speech, or videos, the Word Puzzle template offers a new word experience
>>for learners.
>>
>>
>>- CSV file support: CSV format is now fully supported in Sugarizer.
>>Open it from the Journal, easily export Measurements and Stopwatch
>>activities data in CSV format. Plus, on Android and iOS, you can now
>>copy any file from your device. Harness the flexibility and convenience of
>>CSV today!
>>
>>
>>- Rewrite of Chat activity:Experience a whole new level of
>>interaction with our revamped Chat activity. It's simpler, more intuitive,
>>and faster than ever before. Dive into seamless communication and
>>enjoy the enhanced performance.
>>
>>
>>- Improved stability: more than 30 fix and update on Sugarizer and
>>activities.
>>
>>
>>
>> A short animation of these features is visible here:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m48JjH4EcPI
>>
>> A full description of Sugarizer activities with demo video, category and
>> recommended age is available on https://sugarizer.org/activities.html
>>
>>
>>
>> We need your help to improve Sugarizer user experience and make it
>> accessible to more users! Support Sugarizer on GitHub Sponsor [1] or
>> Liberapay [2].
>>
>>
>> Sugarizer 1.8  is available on your browser [3] but also for your
>> Android, iOS, Linux, MacOS or Windows device. Download it from : Google
>> Play [4], Amazon Store [5], Apple Store [6], F-droid [7], snapcraft [8]
>> and if you don't like stores, you could also install it by yourself using
>> instructions on the Sugarizer website [9].
>>
>> On Android, Sugarizer could also replace your launcher with Sugarizer OS
>> [10].
>>
>> And if you want to deploy Sugarizer Server for your school, follow
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>>
>>
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>>
>> P.S.: Special thanks for their contribution on this version to Utkarsh
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>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC'24 Draft Proposal Review Request

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing your proposal Sumit, some comments;

The image you've shared of Nim Game shows the help button being clicked, if
that's the case then the
help dialog can be improved on for sure, but it'll be better to show the
image without the button being clicked
as the presence of the button does give one an idea of its function.

For Goat, Cabbage and Wolf, it'll be nice to include what sorta difficulty
levels you plan to implement, as it's
not exactly clear what that entails.

There's a typo in the second line of the number guessing game, it'll also
be nice to include how the computer would
figure out your guess as an implementation detail.

In your timeline,
*"Integrate customizable settings to permit playersto adjust game
parameters and further Implement difficulty settings to adapt the AI's
strategy." *
you've mentioned the use of AI for the very first time, is this on purpose?

Hope this helps!

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On Mon, Apr 1, 2024 at 3:15 PM Sumit Soni  wrote:

> Dear Mentors,
>
> I'm reaching out to request feedback on my GSoC'24 proposal for the project 
> "Developing 8 Maths Games for Sugar."
>
> I'm eager to contribute and would greatly appreciate any reviews, 
> suggestions, or modifications you might have to strengthen my proposal.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sumit Soni
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal for Add AI to Chat activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Please use the reply-all button to keep the conversation in the list.

*"Please excuse me if I’m wrong, I’m not very familiar with the codebase.:"*

You should remove this line, it serves no purpose, I also don't understand
the code snippet
you added and why.

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 6:10 PM Sujay R  wrote:

> I've taken your advice and added more details about the implementation.
> I'm sorry if sharing PDFs again and again is irritating. I'm sure you'll
> let me know of a better method.
>
> I have asked you to review multiple versions of my draft proposal. I'm
> very grateful for you take out your time and help me applying. Can you
> please review it one last time? I'll submit once you give the green light.
>
> Thank you again for your guidance and support throughout this process
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 8:10 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Your timeline is terse, it'll be great if you add some implementation
>> detail to your proposal as there's
>> scarcely any.
>>
>> --
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>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Sujay R  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok, the cloud sounds good.
>>>
>>> And thank you for patiently discussing the requirements with me and
>>> answering my questions. Now, I think I can come up with a tentative
>>> timeline.
>>> I've attached v2 of my proposal with the timeline. Please let me know if
>>> there are any more changes. If none, I'll submit it on the GSoC website.
>>> The deadline is right around the corner
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:37 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We were thinking of a cloud option, but we haven't decided yet.
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 6:40 PM Sujay R  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for explaining that. But it's still not clear to me where the
>>>>> FOSS LLM should be run. Not on the devices running Sugar, so is cloud the
>>>>> option you're looking for?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam <
>>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The plan was never really to run an LLM on Sugar as that'll
>>>>>> drastically increase the size of the activity
>>>>>> and Sugar itself as Chat is a fructose
>>>>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules>
>>>>>> activity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
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>>>>>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>>>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 10:54 AM Sujay R  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sugar runs on a lot of devices including low end devices - 2GB ram -
>>>>>>>> and we intend to keep it that way, the chat activity is
>>>>>>>> typically used by more than one Sugar instance, the chatbot should
>>>>>>>> also be able to run on just one instance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Running LLMs on just 2GB ram is atleast a few years away. So the bot
>>>>>>> has to be hosted on an API. Cloud is a good option, there is serverless 
>>>>>>> GPU
>>>>>>> inference and provisioned ones. One that I like is RunPod (serverless
>>>>>>> pricing <https://www.runpod.io/serverless-gpu> and provisioned
>>>>>>> pricing <https://www.runpod.io/gpu-instance/pricing>). Local
>>>>>>> hosting is also an option, for a 7B model, a moderately new (4-5 year 
>>>>>>> old)
>>>>>>> GPU with 16GB VRAM. Running with lower RAM is possible but with 
>>>>>>> excessive
>>>>>>> quantisation (rounding off) at the cost of quality and speed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can leverage the sugar-datastore if you need to store activity
>>>>>>>> related data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Storing the chat history is not an issue. Time complexity for
>>>>>>> generation(inference) of a transfomer is O(n^2) where n is the number of
>>>>>>> tokens. So we need to be mindful of how much history do we actually need
>>>>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal for Add AI to Chat activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Your timeline is terse, it'll be great if you add some implementation
detail to your proposal as there's
scarcely any.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 7:54 PM Sujay R  wrote:

> Ok, the cloud sounds good.
>
> And thank you for patiently discussing the requirements with me and
> answering my questions. Now, I think I can come up with a tentative
> timeline.
> I've attached v2 of my proposal with the timeline. Please let me know if
> there are any more changes. If none, I'll submit it on the GSoC website.
> The deadline is right around the corner
>
> On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 11:37 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> We were thinking of a cloud option, but we haven't decided yet.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 6:40 PM Sujay R  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for explaining that. But it's still not clear to me where the
>>> FOSS LLM should be run. Not on the devices running Sugar, so is cloud the
>>> option you're looking for?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 11:02 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The plan was never really to run an LLM on Sugar as that'll drastically
>>>> increase the size of the activity
>>>> and Sugar itself as Chat is a fructose
>>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Development_Team/Release/Modules>
>>>> activity.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 10:54 AM Sujay R  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sugar runs on a lot of devices including low end devices - 2GB ram -
>>>>>> and we intend to keep it that way, the chat activity is
>>>>>> typically used by more than one Sugar instance, the chatbot should
>>>>>> also be able to run on just one instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Running LLMs on just 2GB ram is atleast a few years away. So the bot
>>>>> has to be hosted on an API. Cloud is a good option, there is serverless 
>>>>> GPU
>>>>> inference and provisioned ones. One that I like is RunPod (serverless
>>>>> pricing <https://www.runpod.io/serverless-gpu> and provisioned pricing
>>>>> <https://www.runpod.io/gpu-instance/pricing>). Local hosting is also
>>>>> an option, for a 7B model, a moderately new (4-5 year old) GPU with 16GB
>>>>> VRAM. Running with lower RAM is possible but with excessive quantisation
>>>>> (rounding off) at the cost of quality and speed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can leverage the sugar-datastore if you need to store activity
>>>>>> related data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Storing the chat history is not an issue. Time complexity for
>>>>> generation(inference) of a transfomer is O(n^2) where n is the number of
>>>>> tokens. So we need to be mindful of how much history do we actually need
>>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Requesting Proposal review - Developing 8 Math games for Sugar

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing, looks good.

I appreciate you adding possible UIs of the activities.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 2:02 PM Spandan Barve  wrote:

> Greetings Mentors,
> I am seeking review on my proposal for GSoC'24. I wanted to work on the
> project Idea - Developing 8 maths games for Sugar.
> Please let me know of any reviews, feedbacks and modifications that need
> to be made to the proposal.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Spandan Barve
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2024 : questions about wikipedia activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The Wikipedia activity isn't part of the activities that comes with Sugar,
so you'll have to
clone and run the activity yourself.

Our contributing

doc contains some helpful info.

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On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 7:04 PM Archit Agrawal 
wrote:

> Hi Walter,
> I set up the sugar env on VirtualBox, fedora OS. But I don't see Wikipedia
> activity in activity list.
>
>
>
> [image: Mailtrack]
> 
>  Sender
> notified by
> Mailtrack
> 
>  27/03/24,
> 10:59:55
>
> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 4:00 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 6:41 PM Ruxue Jin  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am interested in wikipedia activities: Refactor the Wikipedia
>>> Activity to generate plain-language summaries
>>> 
>>>
>>> But I did not see this activity in the web application.
>>>
>>
>> By web application, I assume you mean Sugarizer. The Wikipedia App is a
>> Python app written for the Sugar Desktop.
>>
>>>
>>> In this activity repo: sugarlabs/wikipedia-activity (github.com)
>>> , the last commit is
>>> 2015 and there are many websites returning 404 error.
>>>
>>
>> I don't imagine it has been updated in a long time. That is part of what
>> motivates this project.
>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if there is an instruction on how to set up the environment and
>>> check the code.
>>>
>>
>> Please follow the instructions on how to set up the Sugar env.
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC-2024 Proposal Review Request for "Maintain Port 12 Sugar Activities to Flatpak" Project.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I was curious if you'd selected the activities based on any criteria,
that's why I asked.

Also use the reply-all button next time so the email stays in the thread.

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On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 12:48 AM Ahmed Fatthi 
wrote:

> Hi Chihurumnaya,
>
>
>
> I selected the activities based on personal interests. However, if you
> require more detailed information about each activity for the proposal,
> please let me know. I'd be happy to provide additional details.
> Additionally, if there's a specific activity you'd like to suggest for
> inclusion in the proposal, please feel free to let me know.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Ahmed
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> *Sent: *Saturday, March 23, 2024 3:07 PM
> *To: *Ahmed Fatthi 
> *Cc: *sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> *Subject: *Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC-2024 Proposal Review Request for
> "Maintain Port 12 Sugar Activities to Flatpak" Project.
>
>
>
> Looks good, do not include personal information like your mobile number in
> your proposal as we don't need it.
>
>
>
> It'll also be nice to know what criteria you've used to select activities.
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:15 AM Ahmed Fatthi 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I hope you're doing well. I've just finished drafting my proposal for the
> "Maintain Port 12 Sugar Activities to Flatpak" project. Could you please
> take a moment to review it? Your feedback would be incredibly valuable.
>
>
>
> I've attached the proposal for your convenience. Thanks in advance for
> your time.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Ahmed
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal for GSoC 2024-Add an AI Chatbot to The Chat Activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Rui,

Some personal info shouldn't be in your proposal - your phone number -

The wording  *"Some Try" *in your applicant info is vague and should be
changed, you should state what it clearly
contains.

The images you've used are quite tiny and have tiny text, it'll be nice to
have them enlarged so they can be seen
clearly.

*"First, I need to load the data."  *you haven't started what data you'll
need to load and where the data would be gotten.

Using a db like chroma introduces a new dependency, have you thought about
the size increase that might cost,
and it also makes one wonder if you'll be looking at caching too, so that
might be another dependency.

You've mentioned three possible APIs - we're leaning towards FOSS APIs,
OpenAI isn't one -, it'll be great to know
what you think about these APIs, rather than just listing them.

Your use of *"should" *in the testing section makes it vague, you're not
telling us what you plan to do and how you intend
to go about it.

How do you intend to gather the data you'll use in the Dataset?

Your use of *"need"  *in the ChatBot section of the Outline is also vague,
for the same reasons as should above.
You've also mentioned optimizing performance, but you haven't talked about
how you intend to do that.



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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 8:42 PM 陈蕾 <2021212...@bupt.cn> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm Rui Chen, a undergraduate student.I am a newcomer to open source and I am 
> very interested in the project of adding an AI chatbot to the GSoC Idea List 
> and I appreciate the contributions of the community. Starting by submitting a 
> PR, I have already established a Sugar development environment, and I am 
> familiar with the development process of Sugar Activity as well as the Sugar 
> community and activities. Attached is my proposal for GSoC 2024 - Add an AI 
> Chatbot to The Chat Activity, please review.Any suggestions or guidance you 
> could provide would be greatly appreciated.Thank you very much for your time 
> and consideration.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Rui Chen
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal Review for Math Games Idea

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Nothing wrong with using the font for one activity, but if you're creating
a set of activities then various fonts would be nice.

Also use the reply-all button next time so the email is kept in the thread.

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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 8:07 PM Soham Kukreti 
wrote:

> I will look into making the proposal more in line with the template.
> Regarding the font there is no particular reason why I chose it, I just
> like the way it looks.
> Do you have any other suggestions?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal for Add AI to Chat activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The informal language at the end of the proposal isn't needed, you should
omit any personal details as it doesn't help with your proposal and
shouldn't be included.

On Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 6:47 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> Thanks for sharing Sujay, I like some of the details mentioned - it's
> clear and concise -.
>
> You said "To implement this, we have two options: prompt engineering and
> fine-tuning." and that sounded
> like a choice between both - either OR - but it seems you're suggesting
> both so it's not really clear what you're suggesting.
>
> Also bear in mind that we're leaning towards FOSS LLMs - OpenAI isn't FOSS
> -.
>
> You should use Sugar and the chat activity if you're yet to, the chat
> activity <https://help.sugarlabs.org/en/chat.html> is only useful when
> shared so you'll need to
> think about collaboration and the odds of having multiple users per
> chatbot session or not.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
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>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 3:21 PM Sujay R  wrote:
>
>> Hello Chihurumnaya,
>> I'm interested in working on the "Add AI to Chat activity" GSoC project.
>> I haven't included a few details in the draft proposal, and I've used
>> informal langauge at the end. Please read the draft and let me know your
>> suggestions before I submit the official proposal.
>>
>> Thank you,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC Proposal Review for Math Games Idea

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Looks good, some of the details in the proposal can be omitted, see our
proposal template
 for ideas
on making it simpler.

You seem to have used one font for various activities, is there a
particular reason why?

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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:08 PM Soham Kukreti 
wrote:

> Hi Ibiam,
>
> Please find attached my proposal draft for the math games idea. I would
> highly appreciate your feedback for the same. I am also attaching a google
> docs link, so that you can comment on the document itself.
>
> Proposal :
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VCLAi1ELkEytBMF6tQYniiNlexbzzjXZSVYo5VpAkPQ/edit?usp=sharing
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal for Add AI to Chat activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing Sujay, I like some of the details mentioned - it's clear
and concise -.

You said "To implement this, we have two options: prompt engineering and
fine-tuning." and that sounded
like a choice between both - either OR - but it seems you're suggesting
both so it's not really clear what you're suggesting.

Also bear in mind that we're leaning towards FOSS LLMs - OpenAI isn't FOSS
-.

You should use Sugar and the chat activity if you're yet to, the chat
activity  is only useful when
shared so you'll need to
think about collaboration and the odds of having multiple users per chatbot
session or not.

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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 3:21 PM Sujay R  wrote:

> Hello Chihurumnaya,
> I'm interested in working on the "Add AI to Chat activity" GSoC project. I
> haven't included a few details in the draft proposal, and I've used
> informal langauge at the end. Please read the draft and let me know your
> suggestions before I submit the official proposal.
>
> Thank you,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Review of my GSOC'24 proposal to Sugarizer

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I'm guessing you forgot to attach your proposal as none is attached.

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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 4:48 PM Harsh Singh  wrote:

> Hi, Lionel Laske
> Could you review my proposal? Your feedback would be incredibly helpful.
>
> Thanks , Harsh Singh
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC-2024 Proposal Review Request for "Maintain Port 12 Sugar Activities to Flatpak" Project.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Looks good, do not include personal information like your mobile number in
your proposal as we don't need it.

It'll also be nice to know what criteria you've used to select activities.

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On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 6:15 AM Ahmed Fatthi 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I hope you're doing well. I've just finished drafting my proposal for the
> "Maintain Port 12 Sugar Activities to Flatpak" project. Could you please
> take a moment to review it? Your feedback would be incredibly valuable.
>
>
>
> I've attached the proposal for your convenience. Thanks in advance for
> your time.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal for Adding AI chatbot in Chat Activity (GSoC 2024)

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The info you've shared above would be good info to add to your proposal,
I'll suggest you look at the code
in speech manager and the changes you'll need to make to it and then also
clearly write about that too in your
proposal.

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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 6:31 PM Debasis Sikdar 
wrote:

> I am sorry that I misunderstood you. So, I was talking about the task 2
> of GSOC,
>
> I'd like to implement a chatbot for the Chat Activity. Using a free LLM
> service like Gemini Ai, where users can have a conversation with the bot
> using text or voice and get a text or voice reply (For children with
> disability).
>
> For this to work,
>
> The speech.py (Speech Manager) needs some improvement.
>
> It has TTS functionality but, I also need voice to text functionality.
>
> So, I will add that in the speech.py using libraries like PocketSphinx or
> SpeechRecognition.
>
> The input from user will be added with some prompts like (Generate the
> text which is safe for a child, and with a readability of Coleman Lieu
> index less than 5) this is what readability checker you were referring to
> was, it is a way we can generate easy to read and appropriate output from
> an AI chatbot.
>
> I'll also save the chat in the sugar-database so that we keep a record in
> their local system, so it does not violate any privacy policy.
>
> This functionality will be added to the chat bot that I’ll be happy to
> integrate in the chat activity.
>
> As for the UI, it will be based on the current sugar's chat activity UI.
>
> Refer to the image below hope you like it. If you have further issues,
> kindly let me know I hope I was able to understand you correctly this time.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Debasis
>
> On Thu, Mar 21, 2024, 22:18 Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd suggested that you look into using the speech manager if it'll need
>> to be modified for your needs.
>>
>> For the UI, I didn't say anything about Buttons or Windows, I'd asked
>> about you sharing designs if you had any.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, you're saying you'll build a readability
>> checker to add to the activty.
>>
>> I don't really understand the image you've attached, when replying to
>> threads, use reply-all so the convo would stay in the thread.
>>
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>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 4:13 PM Debasis Sikdar <
>> debasis.sikder...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Sir,
>>>
>>> I am Debasis Sikdar, I wrote a review for you yesterday and after your
>>> reply I was highly motivated.
>>>
>>> I read your mail and understood your requirements. I made the changes
>>> and implemented the changes in my rough sketch I have attached below for
>>> the same.
>>>
>>> In brief,
>>> I changed the database from SQLite to sugar-database (DS) and understood
>>> it's working.
>>> I learnt about the UI using PyGTK and mentioned the creation of Buttons
>>> and Windows as required.
>>> I also added a readability checker using Coleman–Liau index for the
>>> readability of text for children. (0-8 range).
>>> I changed my implementation of voice support from pyttsx3 to sugar's
>>> speech.py library.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for your time and consideration,
>>> Debasis
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024, 18:09 Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You've not stated if you a proposal review, but I'm guessing that's why
>>>> you shared it and I have some comments;
>>>>
>>>> You've said you'll add support for voice chat using speech recognition
>>>> - this isn't a tool - and pyttsx3, we have
>>>> Speech Manager
>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/blob/master/src/sugar3/speech.py>
>>>> in the sugar-toolkit-gtk3, maybe look at how you can leverage that and
>>>> improve it if necessary.
>>>>
>>>> You've mentioned using SQLite for a local database, Sugar uses
>>>> sugar-datastore
>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/blob/master/src/sugar3/datastore/datastore.py>
>>>> to store any data an activity needs
>>>> to store, you should look at using it.
>>>>
>>>> You've also said you'll be designing a UI, but haven't shared any ideas

Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: regarding gsoc application

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Akash,

Sugar Labs isn't part of ML4SCI, your title says "regarding gsoc
application" and you've stated that you missed the proposal deadline,
GSoC proposal deadline isn't until the 2nd of April, it'll be great if
you'd looked around a bit for the necessary info as you'd have found some
if you did.

Sugar and its activities are mostly written in Python, your Python skills
would be helpful there, the sugar-docs
 contain helpful info
on installing and using Sugar.

We also have some AI related project ideas
 for this
year's GSoC, you should take a look at them as you have some experience
with AI.

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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 3:23 PM AKASH VERMA <
akashv.bcadsai2...@iujharkhand.edu.in> wrote:

>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: AKASH VERMA 
> Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 7:51 PM
> Subject: Fwd: regarding gsoc application
> To: 
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: AKASH VERMA 
> Date: Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 7:46 PM
> Subject: regarding gsoc application
> To: 
>
>
> Good evening sir/ma'am,
> myself akash pursuing bca in data science and ai
> i am a first time open source contributor and i want to contribute in
> ML4SCI , i had my examinations going on thats why i missed the deadline to
> submit the proposal , can you please give me a chance and guide me to
> contribute.
> cv - attached
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Re: [Sugar-devel] PROPOSAL FOR MATH GAME

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The project idea description says "This project (either medium or large)
would be to develop 4 to 8 new activities based on some of Bogomolny's
ideas."
so you're expected to turn the ideas into a Sugar activity.

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On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 10:15 PM Aayush Sinha 
wrote:

> Hello Chihurumnaya,
> below is my proposal is attached, it's not completed yet cause I want to
> ask about Pascal's triangle and 3 utilities puzzle.
> I know about the Pascal triangle but what exactly do I have to do I'm
> unable to understand. and same goes for 3 utilities puzzle.
> Thanks
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Re: [Sugar-devel] PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FOR ADDING AI CHAT BOT TO CHAT ACTIVITY

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

We're leaning towards using FOSS tools so a FOSS LLM would be preferable -
OpenAI isn't FOSS -.

"I plan on using a few prompting techniques to do this. I can provide some
prompts also."

I don't understand what you plan to achieve with a few prompting techniques.

For the things you've mentioned about improving the UI, it sounds like
you're yet to use Sugar and the chat activity,
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 4:25 PM Atiene Jonathan 
wrote:

> Hi Chigurumnaya, cc Walter,
>
> Thanks for the feedback,
>
> I took the chat from the context of a personal chat and a group chat,
> where multiple user can be involved in the chat with the bot, if that is
> beyond the scope, Rate Limiting and Queue is actually important for an
> ordered system in times of high traffic its possible to get a rate limiting
> issue as open ai imposes this on every client
> <https://platform.openai.com/docs/guides/rate-limits>.
>
> *Feasibility of multiple bots for different age grades and group chat.*
> you are right, after rethinking this i think it's over complex to follow
> this approach, one Bot with several prompts for the different age grade,
> and group chat, looks feasible its More scalable and easier to maintain.  i
> will also be using the set of age Range. (3-8)  (Ages 8 - 16)  (16 and
> above) we can further break this down with time.
>
> I plan on using a few prompting techniques to do this  i can provide some
> prompts also.
>
> https://www.promptingguide.ai/techniques
>
> - Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
> - Balance discussion with Educational value
>
> - Improve user interface.
>   i will be providing a tiny mockup ui to improve the experience things we
> can work on include
>  - Dark mode ,
>  - Chat bubbles
>  - Softer colors
>  - Introduce a more modern font,
> - I am not sure of the feasibility of a new icon tray
> -  Nice shadows for the input field.
>
> - Optimize for performance
> involves implementing a queue system for ordered messages in group chat
>
> - Ensure security.
> Just as @Walter said if we do not need to retain any user data, and just
> need only the uploaded info then it's ok we can work with that, i insisted
> on saving the conversation so we can always have a context to look up to.
>
> If you agree with me on this,
> then I can continue to produce the final proposal.
>
> Regards.
> Jonathan.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 4:43 PM Walter Bender 
> wrote:
>
>> To Ibiam's point, we need to be very careful in terms of ensuring privacy
>> for our users (children) so we do not retain any user data (with the
>> exception of anonymized project data that our users might upload to one of
>> our servers).
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 12:40 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>>
>>> "
>>>
>>> *Here we will introduce multiple bots for each of theage range that will
>>> be determined by a simple fuzzy logic for determining the age rangeof the
>>> greater number of participants in call.*"
>>>
>>> Multiple bots for each age range doesn't seem feasible, but I'm curious,
>>> what are the age ranges you'd
>>> like to implement it for and what would be the uniqueness of each?
>>>
>>> Some deliverables are vague;
>>>
>>> - Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
>>> - Balance discussion with Educational value
>>> - Improve user interface.
>>> - Optimize for performance
>>> - Ensure security.
>>>
>>> It'll be great to know how you plan on implementing these.
>>>
>>> Some of the things mentioned in *Further Enhancement *are also vague*.*
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Chatbot Interaction Analytics Develop a dashboard to monitor chatbot
>>> interactions and userengagement.*"
>>>
>>> This is beyond the scope of the project idea.
>>>
>>> Rate limiting isn't something that really fits into the idea as the
>>> interactions with the chatbot would usually
>>> happen with one user, except they're collaborating and even then I still
>>> don't see why it's needed.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps!
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:05 PM Atiene Jonathan 
>>> wrote:
>>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] PROPOSAL SUBMISSION FOR ADDING AI CHAT BOT TO CHAT ACTIVITY

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing!

"

*Here we will introduce multiple bots for each of theage range that will be
determined by a simple fuzzy logic for determining the age rangeof the
greater number of participants in call.*"

Multiple bots for each age range doesn't seem feasible, but I'm curious,
what are the age ranges you'd
like to implement it for and what would be the uniqueness of each?

Some deliverables are vague;

- Ensure safe and appropriate interactions
- Balance discussion with Educational value
- Improve user interface.
- Optimize for performance
- Ensure security.

It'll be great to know how you plan on implementing these.

Some of the things mentioned in *Further Enhancement *are also vague*.*


*"Chatbot Interaction Analytics Develop a dashboard to monitor chatbot
interactions and userengagement.*"

This is beyond the scope of the project idea.

Rate limiting isn't something that really fits into the idea as the
interactions with the chatbot would usually
happen with one user, except they're collaborating and even then I still
don't see why it's needed.

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 9:05 PM Atiene Jonathan 
wrote:

> Hello Chihurumnaya,
> Attached is my proposal for task 2
> 
> of the GSOC 2024,
>
> Please let me know if you have any feedback or questions for me.
>
> Regards.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal for Adding AI chatbot in Chat Activity (GSoC 2024)

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

You've not stated if you a proposal review, but I'm guessing that's why you
shared it and I have some comments;

You've said you'll add support for voice chat using speech recognition -
this isn't a tool - and pyttsx3, we have
Speech Manager

in the sugar-toolkit-gtk3, maybe look at how you can leverage that and
improve it if necessary.

You've mentioned using SQLite for a local database, Sugar uses
sugar-datastore

to store any data an activity needs
to store, you should look at using it.

You've also said you'll be designing a UI, but haven't shared any ideas you
have and it'll be great if you shared any.

You've mentioned abstracting away adding extra prompts to make answers
simpler for kids, but you've not mentioned
anything about how you intend to achieve this abstraction.

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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 7:06 PM Debasis Sikdar 
wrote:

>
> Dear Team,
>
> I am Debasis Sikdar, a sophomore in KIIT University, Odisha. I am pursuing
> a B.Tech. in Computer Science and Engineering. I have been targeting GSoC
> for a year now and I am willing to learn more and contribute to Open-Source.
>
> Topic: Adding an AI chatbot to the Topic: Adding an AI chatbot to the Chat
> Activity
>
> Tech-stack: Python, Google.GenerativeAI, UI/UX, PyGTK, SQLite, Pyttsx3
>
> Timeline:
>
> Week 1:
>
> Exploring Gemini API's features and getting familiar with the Sugar Labs
> codebase.
>
> Week 2-3:
>
> I'll begin integration of the Gemini API and PyGTK for the UI, I can add
> support for voice chat using Speech Recognition and pyttsx3.
>
> Week 4-5:
>
> Chatbot Training & Refinement so that in any case it does not provide any
> harmful or bad response, I'll use safety prompts and filter the output
> i.e., text or sound generated.
> I'll save the chats in a local database (not shared due to privacy
> concerns) using SQLite for the user to access any chat they previously had.
> After 1st Evaluation.
>
> Week 6-7:
>
> Testing on Different I/O and making sure that answers are made simpler for
> children, I will add extra prompts for this purpose which will be
> abstracted away.
>
> Week 8-9:
>
> The project is finally coming to an end. After integrating, training and
> testing we are left with handling of edge cases and UI.
> In this week I'll also be designing the UI with PyGTK.
>
> Week 9-10:
>
> Testing the whole project after deploying and fixing any errors generated
> in the process.
> The project can now be merged with the Source.
> This is my plan for the project listed, there can be minor changes to the
> plan if required.
>
> I am grateful to Sugar Labs and GSoC for offering this opportunity and I
> am looking forward to a favourable response.
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Does Sugar on XO-1 support Python 3?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Yeah, like James has pointed out above.

SoaS currently has an F39 image that you can test with, although it has an
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On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 9:13 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> Ibiam,
>
> I just noticed that SoaS is based on Fedora 34 and the XO-1 distribution
> is based on Fedora 18. My guess is that this is because of the large number
> of Activities only available for Python 2.
>
> James Simmons
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 10:09 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Is Python3 installed and working as expected for the XO1?
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 3:59 PM James Simmons  wrote:
>>
>>> One of the tasks in the deployment checklist is to use Browse to install
>>> the updated Activity and see if it works. I decided to dig out my XO-1 and
>>> update it to the latest version of Sugar and use Gmail to send my .xo files
>>> to the laptop for installation. I discovered two things:
>>>
>>> 1. The Browse Activity cannot log into Gmail because it disables
>>> cookies. The version of Browse I can run on Fedora does not have this
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> 2. When I copy the .xo files from a USB drive to the Journal they
>>> install OK but don't start. No messages whatsoever in the Log Activity, but
>>> empty files are created for messages.
>>>
>>> It looks like you cannot get a version of Sugar using Python 3 for an
>>> XO-1 laptop.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Does Sugar on XO-1 support Python 3?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Is Python3 installed and working as expected for the XO1?

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On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 3:59 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> One of the tasks in the deployment checklist is to use Browse to install
> the updated Activity and see if it works. I decided to dig out my XO-1 and
> update it to the latest version of Sugar and use Gmail to send my .xo files
> to the laptop for installation. I discovered two things:
>
> 1. The Browse Activity cannot log into Gmail because it disables cookies.
> The version of Browse I can run on Fedora does not have this problem.
>
> 2. When I copy the .xo files from a USB drive to the Journal they install
> OK but don't start. No messages whatsoever in the Log Activity, but empty
> files are created for messages.
>
> It looks like you cannot get a version of Sugar using Python 3 for an XO-1
> laptop.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-runner pull request available

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Great! Thanks for getting it to run on Xorg!

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On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 3:52 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I made some sugar-runner release notes and updated the README.md to
> explain how to build and run it, including explaining that it only works
> using Xorg. I think this is ready to release.
>
> I used it to test several applications and it worked fine. While it is
> possible to do a lot of testing of Activities without running the Sugar
> environment in a Xephyr window, having the whole environment available is
> needed for testing collaboration, for launching an Activity from another
> Activity, for testing what happens when you launch an Activity from the
> Journal, etc.
>
> I believe we can close the other pull requests for this project.
>
> Thanks.
>
> James Simmons
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Still trying to get sugar-runner working

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Glad to hear it worked out, now we know what the issue really is.

We'll have support for Wayland at some point.

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On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 12:09 AM James Simmons  wrote:

> Ibiam,
>
> sugar-runner works just fine when running GNOME on Xorg. Now that I know
> that I'll write up some release notes and do a pull request.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Simmons
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 10:27 AM James Simmons  wrote:
>
>> Ibiam,
>>
>> That's a good idea. I'll try it tonight. I saw the word "Wayland" in the
>> messages but had no idea what it meant.
>>
>> James Simmons
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 7:29 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe Xephyr on Wayland has issues, Sugar doesn't have support for
>>> Wayland yet and maybe that's why sugar-commander
>>> couldn't work, test sugar-commander on x11 and see if you encounter same
>>> issues - Xephyr too -.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 7:19 PM James Simmons 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't had any luck getting sugar-runner working so I thought I'd
>>>> try just getting Xephyr working by itself and see what I could learn that
>>>> way.
>>>>
>>>> I found this tutorial on YouTube:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECHH2JFA8SM
>>>>
>>>> So I tried it out. The Xephr window came up, but gnome-shell failed
>>>> with these messages:
>>>>
>>>> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ Xephyr :5 -ac -br -noreset -screen
>>>> 800x600 -dpi 96 &
>>>> [1] 330048
>>>> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler
>>>> (xkbcomp) reports:
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessEnable
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessDisable
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessToggle
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NextElement
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86PreviousElement
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86AutopilotEngageToggle
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86MarkWaypoint
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86Sos
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NavChart
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86FishingChart
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86SingleRangeRadar
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86DualRangeRadar
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86RadarOverlay
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86TraditionalSonar
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86ClearvuSonar
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86SidevuSonar
>>>> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NavInfo
>>>> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
>>>>
>>>> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ DISPLAY=:5 dbus-run-session
>>>> gnome-shell &
>>>> [2] 330078
>>>> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ dbus-daemon[330082]: [session
>>>> uid=1000 pid=330082] Activating service name='org.gtk.vfs.Daemon' requested
>>>> by ':1.0' (uid=1000 pid=330084 comm="gnome-shell"
>>>> label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
>>>> dbus-daemon[330082]: [session uid=1000 pid=330082] Successfully
>>>> activated service 'org.gtk.vfs.Daemon'
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *fusermount3: failed to access mountpoint /run/user/1000/gvfs:
>>>> Permission deniedlibmutter-Message: 12:01:54.089: Running GNOME Shell
>>>> (using mutter 45.4) as a Wayland display serverFailed to setup: Could not
>>>> take control: GDBus.Error:System.Error.EBUSY: Device or resource busyA
>>>> connection to the bus can't be made*
>>>>
>>>> Does this suggest anything to anyone?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. And also thanks for putting up with me venting on this stuff.
>>>>
>>>> James Simmons
>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Still trying to get sugar-runner working

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Maybe Xephyr on Wayland has issues, Sugar doesn't have support for Wayland
yet and maybe that's why sugar-commander
couldn't work, test sugar-commander on x11 and see if you encounter same
issues - Xephyr too -.

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On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 7:19 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I haven't had any luck getting sugar-runner working so I thought I'd try
> just getting Xephyr working by itself and see what I could learn that way.
>
> I found this tutorial on YouTube:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECHH2JFA8SM
>
> So I tried it out. The Xephr window came up, but gnome-shell failed with
> these messages:
>
> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ Xephyr :5 -ac -br -noreset -screen
> 800x600 -dpi 96 &
> [1] 330048
> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler
> (xkbcomp) reports:
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessEnable
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessDisable
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86CameraAccessToggle
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NextElement
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86PreviousElement
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86AutopilotEngageToggle
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86MarkWaypoint
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86Sos
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NavChart
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86FishingChart
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86SingleRangeRadar
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86DualRangeRadar
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86RadarOverlay
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86TraditionalSonar
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86ClearvuSonar
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86SidevuSonar
> > Warning:  Could not resolve keysym XF86NavInfo
> Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
>
> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ DISPLAY=:5 dbus-run-session
> gnome-shell &
> [2] 330078
> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ dbus-daemon[330082]: [session
> uid=1000 pid=330082] Activating service name='org.gtk.vfs.Daemon' requested
> by ':1.0' (uid=1000 pid=330084 comm="gnome-shell"
> label="unconfined_u:unconfined_r:unconfined_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023")
> dbus-daemon[330082]: [session uid=1000 pid=330082] Successfully activated
> service 'org.gtk.vfs.Daemon'
>
>
>
> *fusermount3: failed to access mountpoint /run/user/1000/gvfs: Permission
> deniedlibmutter-Message: 12:01:54.089: Running GNOME Shell (using mutter
> 45.4) as a Wayland display serverFailed to setup: Could not take control:
> GDBus.Error:System.Error.EBUSY: Device or resource busyA connection to the
> bus can't be made*
>
> Does this suggest anything to anyone?
>
> Thanks. And also thanks for putting up with me venting on this stuff.
>
> James Simmons
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Some thoughts on GetBooks activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for the update.

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On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 5:15 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I tried updating feedparser.py with a later version that still fits in two
> files. It looks like the developers made some attempt to get it working
> with Python 3 but did not finish it. I spent a couple of hours with it and
> it looks like it's working. I can browse OPDS feeds now. That's the good
> news.
>
> The bad news is it looks like the OPDS feeds for Feedbooks don't exist
> anymore and in a month or so Feedbooks itself won't exist. I'm looking into
> alternative feeds.
>
> The Internet Archive feeds work. I'm thinking of getting rid of one. It is
> supposed to list books in alpha order. What it actually does is list out
> letters of the alphabet and there appears to be no way to drill down to see
> books for that letter. Even if you could do that, the lists would be too
> long to be useful.
>
> There are other lists I might add for Internet Archive. For example, there
> is one for Kids books.
>
> Clicking on a book in one of these lists should make it available for
> download. That isn't working now. I'll fix it.
>
> There is a way to list out My Books, which are books in your journal. It
> looks like you can copy books from thumb drives into the Journal too. Looks
> a bit like my Sugar Commander Activity.
>
> In any case, I think I can make this Activity worth having.
>
> James Simmons
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 11:20 AM James Simmons  wrote:
>
>> It turns out that feedparser has a version that is new enough to support
>> Python 3 but old enough to fit in two files, one of which replaces sgml.py.
>> I can get rid of the current files instead of trying to make them work with
>> Python 3 myself. I'm going to try this tonight.
>>
>> It also turns out that the Activity does use OPDS for Internet Archive,
>> just not for book searches. It uses it to browse catalogs like most
>> downloaded, newly added, alphabetical by title, etc. So if I got that
>> working we'd have a fancier Get IA Books even if Feedbooks goes away.
>>
>> James Simmons
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 10:07 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, activities depending on external APIs are difficult to maintain
>>> and if anyone is willing to do it
>>> then it can work.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 6:04 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I remember some of this from when I last maintained those
>>>> activities.
>>>>
>>>> I felt that activities that depended on external APIs become difficult
>>>> to maintain.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 01:46:44PM -0600, James Simmons wrote:
>>>> > Back in 2009 I wrote the Get IA Books activity which uses the
>>>> Advanced Search
>>>> > service of the Internet Archive to search their catalog and makes it
>>>> possible
>>>> > to download these books to the Journal and put some metadata in there
>>>> as well.
>>>> >
>>>> > Shortly after I finished this Sayamindu Dasgupta made a similar
>>>> Activity that
>>>> > used OPDS to search book catalogs. Specifically he was interested in
>>>> using OPDS
>>>> > to search [1]https://www.feedbooks.com, which had an OPDS server
>>>> that included
>>>> > public domain books. He also made it possible for the Activity user
>>>> to add an
>>>> > entry for his own OPDS server, but you had to edit a text file using
>>>> the
>>>> > Terminal activity to do it.
>>>> >
>>>> > I have just fixed my own Activity to work with Python 3 and wanted to
>>>> try
>>>> > fixing this one too. I've run into a few problems which makes me
>>>> think this
>>>> > Activity might not be fixable.
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Feedbooks.com is going out of business very soon. It is possible
>>>> that their
>>>> > OPDS server is already not working: [2]
>>>> https://www.feedbooks.com/catalog/
>>>> > public_domain
>>>> > 2. There are other ODPS servers, but not for public domain titles:
>>>> [3]http://
>>>> > opdshome.uo1.net/
>>>> > 3. The Internet Archive has an OPDS server but this Activity 

Re: [Sugar-devel] Some thoughts on GetBooks activity

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Agreed, activities depending on external APIs are difficult to maintain and
if anyone is willing to do it
then it can work.

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On Tue, Mar 5, 2024 at 6:04 AM James Cameron  wrote:

> Yes, I remember some of this from when I last maintained those activities.
>
> I felt that activities that depended on external APIs become difficult to
> maintain.  ;-)
>
> On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 01:46:44PM -0600, James Simmons wrote:
> > Back in 2009 I wrote the Get IA Books activity which uses the Advanced
> Search
> > service of the Internet Archive to search their catalog and makes it
> possible
> > to download these books to the Journal and put some metadata in there as
> well.
> >
> > Shortly after I finished this Sayamindu Dasgupta made a similar Activity
> that
> > used OPDS to search book catalogs. Specifically he was interested in
> using OPDS
> > to search [1]https://www.feedbooks.com, which had an OPDS server that
> included
> > public domain books. He also made it possible for the Activity user to
> add an
> > entry for his own OPDS server, but you had to edit a text file using the
> > Terminal activity to do it.
> >
> > I have just fixed my own Activity to work with Python 3 and wanted to try
> > fixing this one too. I've run into a few problems which makes me think
> this
> > Activity might not be fixable.
> >
> > 1. Feedbooks.com is going out of business very soon. It is possible that
> their
> > OPDS server is already not working: [2]
> https://www.feedbooks.com/catalog/
> > public_domain
> > 2. There are other ODPS servers, but not for public domain titles:
> [3]http://
> > opdshome.uo1.net/
> > 3. The Internet Archive has an OPDS server but this Activity doesn't use
> it.
> > Instead it adapted code from my GetIABooks activity. Apparently the IA
> OPDS
> > server had issues when this was written.
> > 3. The Activity makes use of code from [4]http://feedparser.org/.
> > Unfortunately, the latest version of this cannot be contained in just
> one file.
> > The old version depends on sgmllib.py, which was included with Python 2
> but not
> > with 3. Somebody found the code for this and ran it through a Python 2
> to 3
> > converter. I added this to the project.
> > 4. I managed to convert enough code in feedparser.py and sgmllib.py to
> get the
> > Activity to run without generating diagnostic messages. I have no idea
> if it is
> > actually working.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > James Simmons
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] https://www.feedbooks.com/
> > [2] https://www.feedbooks.com/catalog/public_domain
> > [3] http://opdshome.uo1.net/
> > [4] http://feedparser.org/
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Re: [Sugar-devel] getiabooks ready to release, I'd like to be a contributor for sugar commander

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Does the activity implement the write_file method?

I've also given you admin access to sugar-commander.

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On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 6:58 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I managed to make getiabooks work pretty well on Python3 and fix a bug
> where the book list table was disabled during downloads and not
> re-enabled if the download failed. I also got rid of some cruft where the
> Activity supported two different versions of the toolbar. The only thing I
> was unable to fix was getting the Activity to stop saving Journal entries
> for itself when it closes. I had code to prevent that which does not work
> anymore.
>
> In any case, it is an improvement over the broken current version and can
> be published, in my opinion.
>
> I also managed to get my Activity sugar-commander working with Python 3
> but I would need to be a contributor to update that repository,
>
> I may try to update the Get Books Activity when I have time. It is
> currently broken. I won't ask for contributor access until I have something
> to release.
>
> I have not done any Activity maintenance for years, but I got back into it
> because I had an old desktop computer running Fedora 39 to give away and a
> bright eight year old boy who wanted it. He came by on Friday to pick it
> up. I think he was impressed.
>
> James Simmons
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Advice needed on sugar-runner

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

My guess is SugarRunner is not in the Python Path, you'll have to confirm
and make sure it is.

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On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 4:47 PM James Simmons  wrote:

> I've been preparing an old computer I just replaced as a gift for a bright
> eight year old boy and his older brother. It will run Fedora 39. In
> addition to the XFCE environment I want to give him a Sugar environment
> with Activities.
>
> In the process of setting this up I discovered that some of the Activities
> I wrote years ago have succumbed to bit rot and needed updating. I was able
> to do this, but I was disappointed to find that I could not use
> sugar-runner to run the Sugar environment in a window because it had not
> been maintained.
>
> I thought I'd take a stab at getting sugar-runner working. I checked out
> the project, installed all the dependencies autogen.sh asked for, updated
> the scripts to use python3, then ran what looked to be a successful make
> and sudo make install. Then I tried to run
>
> sugar-runner
>
> and I got these Python errors:
>
> jamessimmons@unknownF4390913EB01:~$ sugar-runner
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/bin/sugar-runner", line 28, in 
> gi.require_version('SugarRunner', '1.0')
>   File "/usr/lib64/python3.12/site-packages/gi/__init__.py", line 126, in
> require_version
> raise ValueError('Namespace %s not available' % namespace)
> ValueError: Namespace SugarRunner not available
>
> At this point I'm stuck. If any of you have any suggestions on how to
> proceed I'd love to hear them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Simmons
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[Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] Sugar 0.121

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Sugar 0.121 is released.

This release contains;

- Buddy.props.keys is no longer a quoted bytes.
- Build warnings from gcc fixed in sugar-toolkit-gtk3
- DescriptionItem cursor now visible; makes it easier to edit text in 
the description box.
- Port to WebKit2-4.1 API; support for WebKit2-4.0 API has been dropped 
and this fixes that.



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Re: [Sugar-devel] [ASLOv4] [RELEASE] Stick Hero - 8

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Just noticed v7 is still what's showing there, I'll take a look once I can.

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On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 11:31 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> This did not work.  The info page still lists version 7.
>
> Also, the release date is not shown.
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/aslo-v4/issues/78
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2023 at 01:07:03PM -0400, activities...@sugarlabs.org
> wrote:
> > Stick Hero-8 has been released
> >
> > Version: 8
> > Bundle ID: org.sugarlabs.stickhero
> > Release time: 2023-09-17 11:21:58
> >
> > You can download the latest release of this activity here:
> >   - Info:
> https://v4.activities.sugarlabs.org/app/org.sugarlabs.stickhero.html
> >   - Download: https://v4.activities.sugarlabs.org/bundles/StickHero-8.xo
> >
> >
> >
> > NEW IN THIS VERSION
> > ---
> >
> > * Update Sugargame to fix arrow key not working (Riya Jain)
> > * Bug Fix for the perfect Score (Riya Jain)
> > * Corrected a comment (Riya Jain)
> > * Bug Fix in Fruit score (Riya Jain)
> >
> >
> >
> > If you have questions about this review, please answer to this e-mail
> > or join #sugar:matrix.org or #sugar on irc.libera.chat
> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Summary of 08.08 meeting with mentors

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I took a better look and I agree with James, I've made my comment on the PR.

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On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 5:16 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 04:33:00PM +0200, Dimitris20Cen wrote:
> > Text Dungeon:
> >
> > -   Licensing concerns:
> >
> > -   As text dungeon is an existing activity, its licensing process is
> > intricate.
>
> Actually, the license is correctly defined as GPLv2+ in the metadata, the
> COPYING file is properly present, and two of the three Python source files
> have the correct license declaration with valid copyrights.  There's no
> problem with licensing of the existing activity, as at f7f53e2 ("Deanglify
> links to help.sugarlabs.org") on the master branch.
>
> > -   Apart from licensing issues, the project is ready for release, if no
> other issues come up.
>
> What you are referring to here is your wholesale replacement for the
> activity, which is in the pull request yet to be merged.
>
> I'd like wider consultation on this.  Would other developers please review
> the pull request and comments and give their opinion?  The key issue is
> that the entire source code is removed and replaced; which we would
> normally handle by adding a new activity repository with the new source
> code, with a new activity name.
>
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/textdungeon/pull/14
>
> Also, the existing issues have not been specifically addressed; presumably
> they are all fixed?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Summary of latest meeting with mentors

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for the update!

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On Sun, Jul 9, 2023 at 7:18 PM Dimitris20Cen 
wrote:

> Hello Sugar people,
>
> Following is the summary from Friday's meeting with Ibiam and Sourabha.
>
>
> Cell Activity
>
>-
>
>Encountered a problem with the game's functionality. Ibiam said to
>look into the issue and update via email.
>
> Text-Dungeon Activity
>
>-
>
>It's advised to submit changes as a pull request in draft mode,
>instead of working on them locally.
>-
>
>The creation of a .json generator for the map files was suggested.
>
> Draft PRs
>
>-
>
>As it was said for text dungeon, rather than making alterations
>locally or on my personal GitHub, it's more beneficial to submit a pull
>request in draft mode. This enables proposal of changes during development
>and exploration of varied approaches to a problem, allowing code
>adjustments along the way.
>
> Flappy - Small Commits
>
>-
>
>It was recommended to create several commits representing specific
>code changes, instead of one extensive commit. This enables the reviewer
>and people in the future to understand the code and possible issues with it
>much easier.
>
> Focus on One Activity
>
>-
>
>It was suggested to concentrate on modifying and pull requesting one
>activity at a time to avoid spreading myself thin, and not making progress
>as a result.
>-
>
>However, changes already made locally should be pushed.
>
> Finally, the use of .gitignore was suggested.
>
>
> Next Meeting is proposed for the upcoming Friday, thank you!
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dimitris Mylonas
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Congressional app challenge

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I totally agree with you Devin, are there any students we can introduce it
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 11:35 PM Devin Ulibarri 
wrote:

> Chihurumnaya Ibiam:
> > Seems appealing, seems it's an american thing but if we can apply
> > that'll be great.
>
> I think the idea would be to promote it to eligible students in the SL
> community, so that they can apply if they want to.
>
> I think that it's probably fine to submit an app created in another
> program like Turtle Blocks, Music Blocks, etc. (I don't see anything
> that indicates that apps made with those programs would be rejected.)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Congressional app challenge

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Seems appealing, seems it's an american thing but if we can apply that'll
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On Tue, Jun 20, 2023 at 3:35 AM Devin Ulibarri 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This may be worth doing.
>
>
> https://www.congressionalappchallenge.us/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/CAC-2023-Educator-Flyer1.pdf
>
> The "high notes":
>
> Create an app, register by 9/30/23, submit by 11/1/23.
>
> Anything created after 11/1/22 is fair game.
>
> For middle and high school students.
>
> Best,
> Devin
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Fwd: Download of Trisquel On A Sugar Toast x86

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I've updated the link on the wiki to point to the latest image.

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On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 9:43 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> https://archive.org/details/trisquel-sugar_9.0.1_i686
>
> Otherwise question best put to Trisquel people.
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 03:58:05PM -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> > Anyone have an old image kicking around?
> >
> > -- Forwarded message -
> > From: Ivan Zorzi <[1]ivanzo...@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, Jun 19, 2023, 10:21 AM
> > Subject: Download of Trisquel On A Sugar Toast x86
> > To: <[2]wal...@sugarlabs.org>
> >
> > Hello,
> > hope you can help me.
> > Recently I downloaded ISO image of Trisquel sugar v. 9.0.2 i686. On the
> > following page there is direct link for download:
> > [3]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> >
> > Problem is that the link ([4]http://us.archive.trisquel.info/iso/
> > trisquel-sugar_9.0.2_i686.iso) is no more valid. I think they suppressed
> > support to x86.
> > Is there any chance to download again the version? I lost the live usb
> > drive...
> > I need it for my daugther, x86 version works just well on an old netbook.
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > Ivan Zorzi
> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] mailto:ivanzo...@gmail.com
> > [2] mailto:wal...@sugarlabs.org
> > [3] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Trisquel_On_A_Sugar_Toast
> > [4] http://us.archive.trisquel.info/iso/trisquel-sugar_9.0.2_i686.iso
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Weekly Update : Improve and maintain 12 Sugar Activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Awesome! Thanks for the update.

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On Sun, Jun 4, 2023 at 2:14 PM Riya Jain  wrote:

> Hello community,
> I would like to give you'll my first week update regarding my project.
>
> Currently I am working on two activities, Make-them-fall-activity and
> Classify-cats.
>
> I am having a PR open for Make-them-fall-activity (It was opened before
> the gsoc coding period).
> Further I opened this PR back then because I had a view of introducing a
> feature of difficulty mode for letting different age group to enjoy the
> game. I will be opening this PR soon, the work is almost done.
> I also noticed the PR which was opened by Ibiam, currently it is marked as
> draft and I aim take it work forward.
>
> Additionally I was working on the classify-cats, which includes adding a
> new game mode. Next week I would be opening this PR.
>
> Having fun working around with Sugar :p .
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal GSoC 2023 - Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities

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On Sun, Apr 2, 2023 at 8:51 AM Riya Jain  wrote:

> Thanks for the response Ibiam and Walter.
>
> > The project idea you're referring to is "Improve and maintain 12 sugar
> activities" not "Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities"
> I am selected a total of 13 activities, but the task in two activities is
> similar, if you say so, I will rename it accordingly
>

I'd love you to work on more than 12 activities for sure, I was only
referring to the name of the project.


>
> - In response to the score, highscore and other competitive features, I'll
> make them optional wherever implementing them and would also specify this
> in my revised proposal
>

Score and highscore can be added but time taken can be optional as that's
something different.\


>
> - Regarding block party activity, The bottom rows would have more value if
> a line is broken on them, so to be specific : the board has 20 rows and for
> the bottom 5 rows we get 50 points and for the next 5, 40 points and for
> the next 5 30 and so on, this also leaves room for further board expansion
> in future.
>

 Sounds good.


> - I will update my proposal which includes the task said by you in
> falabracman-activity.
>
> - Mancala-activity does not have collaboration.
>

Collaboration is something you'll have to think of if you want to work on a
2 player mode.


>
> For the UI enhancement, I have attached a file which contains the images.
> They just provide a rough idea on how I plan to implement the same, and I
> might think of a better way in future.
> Also I thought of including keyboard support in Math-hurdler, where the
> options A,B,C,D can also be selected through the keyboard, I will include
> this as well in my proposal.
>

Keyboard support for Math hurdler sounds nice.


>
> Thanks.
>
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>
>
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 at 20:29, Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Riya,
>>
>> Thanks for sharing, the project idea you're referring to is "Improve and
>> maintain 12 sugar activities" not "Improve and maintain 13 sugar
>> activities".
>>
>> I think the time taken to complete, score, and high score features should
>> be optional so as not to remove the fun from the game for some kids that
>> timing the thing
>> they do puts pressure on.
>> You can have a button in the toolbar for these that's insensitive by
>> default and these features only work when they're sensitive.
>>
>> Ball and brick activity: Powerups sound awesome!
>>
>> Block-party-activity: "Score fixing" what do you think is a great way for
>> this to affect the score, say a number of lines equal what score to be
>> added?
>>
>> Falabracman activity: I don't think the randomness should be fixed as it
>> teaches an important lesson of things having an end and that's also how the
>> game session ends.
>> What can be done though is to increase the difficulty by adding more
>> obstacles as the game goes on and pushing back on when the game ends.
>>
>> Math hurdler activity: What do you think would be an ideal point
>> difference between the difficult levels?
>> You point out what you think is wrong with the UI but nothing about if
>> and how you intend to do anything about it.
>>
>> Sonic Jump: You mention redesigning the UI but no images of the old vs
>> the new.
>>
>> Mancala activity: Is collaboration working fine, did you test it?
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> --
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>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:46 AM Riya Jain 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, I wanted to share my draft proposal of GSoC 2023, for
>>> project Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities.
>>> Any review and feedback is accepted.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal - improve & maintain 12 sugar activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I forgot to add this for reversi activity, is collaboration working fine?

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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 3:17 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> Hi Spandan,
>
> Thanks for sharing, a few comments.
>
> Would the ghost lines for dots and boxes appear on mouse hover?
>
> Simulate activity sometimes crashes Sugar, what do you mean by crashing
> Sugar?
> What does the logs say?
>
> When talking about images, the best way to explain is to add images to
> prove your point, the board size overflow you mentioned
> in flip activity can better be understood with an image.
> This also applies to every activity where you mention something that's
> wrong with the canvas.
>
> Reset and next buttons in jumble activity not being visible, no images to
> explain again.
> How can you click on them if they're not visible?
>
> Reversi activity: too many unknowns, you mention implementing an AI but no
> details as to how you intend to go about it, what data would you use?
> What new dependencies would you be adding to the activity?
>
> Nutrition activity: "having premade questions" any sample of such
> questions would be helpful.
> Where do you intend to get the healthy index from?
>
> IQ activity: The timer idea seems nice but it should be optional as some
> kids might feel pressured when timed and the goal ultimately is
> to have fun while playing.
> Hard coding solutions doesn't sound intuitive, what happens if the board
> size changes in the future so that means the solutions would have to be
> hard coded again.
>
> Hit the balls activity: "I intend on creating a utility function which
> generates a random color only after making sure the color is bright enough
> that the text on it would be visible."
> Only after making sure sounds vague, how do you intend to "make sure".
> Button hover sound doesn't seem right as hovering is not really an action
> the activity cares about.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
> --
>
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> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:23 AM Spandan Barve 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, I am Spandan Barve, also known as marsian83 on github.
>> Here is my draft GSOC 2023 proposal for the project : Improve and
>> Maintain 12 sugar activities
>> Looking forward to a feedback from the mentors and any suggestions are
>> welcome
>> Thanks
>>
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal GSoC 2023 - Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Riya,

Thanks for sharing, the project idea you're referring to is "Improve and
maintain 12 sugar activities" not "Improve and maintain 13 sugar
activities".

I think the time taken to complete, score, and high score features should
be optional so as not to remove the fun from the game for some kids that
timing the thing
they do puts pressure on.
You can have a button in the toolbar for these that's insensitive by
default and these features only work when they're sensitive.

Ball and brick activity: Powerups sound awesome!

Block-party-activity: "Score fixing" what do you think is a great way for
this to affect the score, say a number of lines equal what score to be
added?

Falabracman activity: I don't think the randomness should be fixed as it
teaches an important lesson of things having an end and that's also how the
game session ends.
What can be done though is to increase the difficulty by adding more
obstacles as the game goes on and pushing back on when the game ends.

Math hurdler activity: What do you think would be an ideal point difference
between the difficult levels?
You point out what you think is wrong with the UI but nothing about if and
how you intend to do anything about it.

Sonic Jump: You mention redesigning the UI but no images of the old vs the
new.

Mancala activity: Is collaboration working fine, did you test it?


Hope this helps!

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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 11:46 AM Riya Jain  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I wanted to share my draft proposal of GSoC 2023, for project
> Improve and maintain 13 sugar activities.
> Any review and feedback is accepted.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Project for GSOC'23 : Port Sugar and core activities to Python 3

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Bhavya,

Thanks for sharing, some comments;

Don't share personal info in your proposal, your internship letter contains
personal info and shouldn't be included in your proposal, be sure
to remove it from your final proposal.

"I will thoroughly review the source code changes since 0.112 that were
made for porting to Python 3."
You can review some changes now and add what you've noticed in your
proposal.

It'll be nice to mention the activities that you want to focus on as you
mention fixing activities but don't mention which.
There's no particular number of activities that you can add as the project
isn't just on activities.

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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:55 AM Bhavya Bansal 
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am Bhavya Bansal, I'd like to share my draft proposal for the project :
> "Port Sugar and core activities to Python 3".
> Looking forward to your feedback and suggestions for further improvement.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> *Bhavya Bansal*
> Computer Science and Engineering '24
> Dr. A.P.J. Abdul Kalam Technical University
> Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft Proposal - improve & maintain 12 sugar activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Spandan,

Thanks for sharing, a few comments.

Would the ghost lines for dots and boxes appear on mouse hover?

Simulate activity sometimes crashes Sugar, what do you mean by crashing
Sugar?
What does the logs say?

When talking about images, the best way to explain is to add images to
prove your point, the board size overflow you mentioned
in flip activity can better be understood with an image.
This also applies to every activity where you mention something that's
wrong with the canvas.

Reset and next buttons in jumble activity not being visible, no images to
explain again.
How can you click on them if they're not visible?

Reversi activity: too many unknowns, you mention implementing an AI but no
details as to how you intend to go about it, what data would you use?
What new dependencies would you be adding to the activity?

Nutrition activity: "having premade questions" any sample of such questions
would be helpful.
Where do you intend to get the healthy index from?

IQ activity: The timer idea seems nice but it should be optional as some
kids might feel pressured when timed and the goal ultimately is
to have fun while playing.
Hard coding solutions doesn't sound intuitive, what happens if the board
size changes in the future so that means the solutions would have to be
hard coded again.

Hit the balls activity: "I intend on creating a utility function which
generates a random color only after making sure the color is bright enough
that the text on it would be visible."
Only after making sure sounds vague, how do you intend to "make sure".
Button hover sound doesn't seem right as hovering is not really an action
the activity cares about.

Hope this helps!


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On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 8:23 AM Spandan Barve  wrote:

> Hi everyone, I am Spandan Barve, also known as marsian83 on github.
> Here is my draft GSOC 2023 proposal for the project : Improve and Maintain
> 12 sugar activities
> Looking forward to a feedback from the mentors and any suggestions are
> welcome
> Thanks
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal for GSoC'23 - Improve and maintain 6 Sugar Activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Glad I could help, use the reply-all option for future responses to the
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On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 11:11 PM Aman Yadav  wrote:

> Thank you Ibiam for your response,
> Regarding the issue with the description item in the Speak activity, I
> understand that it is not a UI problem but a bug in sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
> Thank you for clarifying that.
> I also understand that the issue with the Calculate activity may not be
> present on all screen sizes. I will make sure to provide more specific
> details in the future to avoid confusion.
> Furthermore, I realize that my previous message did not provide enough
> information on how to go about implementing the proposed improvements. I
> will make sure to include more details on the steps necessary to achieve
> these goals in the future.
> To clarify, my intention is to improve Sugar Labs' activities.
> Thank you
>
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 12:52 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for sharing.
>>
>> The issue you mentioned about the description item in speak activity
>> isn't a UI problem but a bug
>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-toolkit-gtk3/issues/465> in
>> sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
>>
>> Your idea about improving calculate activity is great but also omits some
>> details like the screen size in which you noticed the
>> issue as on some other screen sizes it's okay but it isn't on others.
>>
>> While some of your ideas are great, you've only stated what you'd like to
>> achieve but not how you intend to go about it.
>> It's also difficult at first to tell if the proposal is to maintain and
>> improve Sugar activities or Sugarizer activities as you mention a lot about
>> Sugarizer at first.
>>
>> It's also difficult to tell your ability to implement any of the things
>> you've mentioned as they're no links to your contributions to any Sugar
>> activity.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>> --
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>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 3:23 PM Aman Yadav  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone! My name is Aman Kumar Yadav, and I am excited to share
>>> my draft proposal for Improve and maintain 6 Sugar Activities project with
>>> the community. I am open to receiving feedback and suggestions on how I can
>>> enhance my proposal further. Thank you for taking the time to review it.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [Announcement] Sugarizer v1.7 is available for your device

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Yay! Congratulations!

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On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 9:28 PM Lionel Laské  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm proud to announce version 1.7 of Sugarizer, the leading learning
> platform for children.
>
> https://sugarizer.org
>
> New in this version:
>
>- Assignments: Receive assignments directly from Sugarizer, answer
>them and submit your answer while still in the application. Sugarizer
>becomes your school companion.
>- Evaluation mode in Exerciser:Exerciser becomes a skills assessment
>tool. Turn any exercise into an assessment in one click and give it to the
>class in real time or make it a homework assignment.
>- Better touch screen support: The new Sugarizer version has now been
>tested on different smart board and touch PC. Whatever its size is,
>Sugarizer will work on your touch screen.
>- New Tutorial UI:We've decided to change the tutorial library to
>provide a better user experience. Simpler, more intuitive and faster.
>You'll love it.
>- Improved stability: more than 40 fix and update on Sugarizer and
>activities.
>
>
>
> A short animation of these features is visible here:
> https://youtu.be/fkuC05ddW_U
>
> A full description of Sugarizer activities with demo video, category and
> recommended age is available on https://sugarizer.org/activities.html
>
>
>
> We need your help to improve Sugarizer user experience and make it
> accessible to more users! Support Sugarizer on GitHub Sponsor [1] or
> Liberapay [2].
>
>
>
> Sugarizer 1.7  is available on your browser [3] but also for your
> Android, iOS, Linux, MacOS or Windows device. Download it from : Google
> Play [4], Amazon Store [5], Apple Store [6], F-droid [7], snapcraft [8]
> and if you don't like stores, you could also install it by yourself using
> instructions on the Sugarizer website [9].
>
> On Android, Sugarizer could also replace your launcher with Sugarizer OS
> [10].
>
> And if you want to deploy Sugarizer Server for your school, follow
> instructions here [11].
>
>
>
>Lionel Laské
>
>
> P.S.: Special thanks for their contribution on this version to Rohan Kumar
> (Assignment feature), Divyansh Agarwal (Exerciser activity) and Saumya
> Kushwaha (new tutorial). Many thanks also to all Google Summer of Code
> students and mentors who made this release possible.
>
>
> [1] https://github.com/sponsors/llaske
>
> [2] https://liberapay.com/llaske
>
> [3] http://try.sugarizer.org
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> [4]
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>
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>
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>
> [7] https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.olpc_france.sugarizer
>
> [8] https://snapcraft.io/sugarizer
>
> [9] https://sugarizer.org
>
> [10]
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>
> [11] https://github.com/llaske/sugarizer-server
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal for GSoC'23 - Improve and maintain 6 Sugar Activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing.

The issue you mentioned about the description item in speak activity isn't
a UI problem but a bug
 in
sugar-toolkit-gtk3.

Your idea about improving calculate activity is great but also omits some
details like the screen size in which you noticed the
issue as on some other screen sizes it's okay but it isn't on others.

While some of your ideas are great, you've only stated what you'd like to
achieve but not how you intend to go about it.
It's also difficult at first to tell if the proposal is to maintain and
improve Sugar activities or Sugarizer activities as you mention a lot about
Sugarizer at first.

It's also difficult to tell your ability to implement any of the things
you've mentioned as they're no links to your contributions to any Sugar
activity.

Hope this helps!


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On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 3:23 PM Aman Yadav  wrote:

> Hello everyone! My name is Aman Kumar Yadav, and I am excited to share my
> draft proposal for Improve and maintain 6 Sugar Activities project with the
> community. I am open to receiving feedback and suggestions on how I can
> enhance my proposal further. Thank you for taking the time to review it.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal Review for GSoC 2023: Porting to Flatpak

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing.

When you say "update flatpak bundles", are you talking about updating the
flatpak bundle to the latest released version of the activity?

There's an open PR  on the
number of activities to be worked on.

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On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 11:33 AM Sparsh Goenka 
wrote:

> Hello Sugar Community,
> I would like to receive some suggestions for my proposal for this GSoC.
> I have attached it below, Thank You!
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC 2023 proposal review — Zhengnan Ma

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing, the core goal of the project isn't to port just two
popular activities to flatpak - they are already on flatpak but
porting them to pygame 2.0 would make them work on flatpak as they
currently don't work as expected -.

There's a PR  to specify the
number of activities and it's still open.

"Before moving on to packaging, we need to make sure that activity/
activity.info file has all the required fields which means we need to add
missing information that is required for packaging."

What fields are missing?

"The aim in Coding Phase 1 is to make a deep research on what’s new in
pygame-2.0, fix the known bugs in the source code and add new features to
the applications."

What new features would you be adding?

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On Tue, Mar 28, 2023 at 1:00 PM Zhengnan Ma  wrote:

> Dear sugarlab crew,
>
>
>
> I hope this message finds you well.
>
>
>
> My name is Zhengnan and I am reaching out from UC Berkeley. I am thrilled
> to share my GSoC research proposal with you, which is attached for your
> review. I would greatly appreciate any feedback you may have on how I can
> improve the proposal to benefit both myself and the organization.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I look forward to
> hearing from you soon.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Zhengnan
>
> 
> [image: Google Document]
> Sugar Labs GSoC 2023 Application…
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Requesting Review for activities chosen for GSOC'23

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I looked at your proposal again and I'll add that for some of the ideas you
have, you should include how you want to implement them in your proposal.

This would include the tool you want to use to implement it or if it's
already being used like pygame for instance then what part of the tool
you'd be using to
implement the idea, this would let the mentors know how well thought-out
your idea is and also look into the possibilities of the implementation.

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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 10:19 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> Thanks for sharing!
>
> You can pick any activity and include it in your proposal as whatever is
> in your proposal isn't absolute and can change if you're picked
> to work on a project and after talking with your mentor(s).
>
>
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>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 6:44 PM Riya Jain  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mentors, My name is Riya Jain, and I am currently enrolled in a BTech
>> Degree in Information Technology in Indian Institute of Information
>> Technology, Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, India.
>>
>> I am interested in contributing to Sugarlabs organization for GSOC'23 and
>> the project idea I am interested in is 'Improve and Maintain 6 Sugar
>> Activity' , so I tried to filtered these activities from all other
>> activities and wanted a review regarding the same.
>>
>> To mention this is not my draft proposal, It's just for seeking review of
>> the activities.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Requesting Review for activities chosen for GSOC'23

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing!

You can pick any activity and include it in your proposal as whatever is in
your proposal isn't absolute and can change if you're picked
to work on a project and after talking with your mentor(s).


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On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 6:44 PM Riya Jain  wrote:

> Hi Mentors, My name is Riya Jain, and I am currently enrolled in a BTech
> Degree in Information Technology in Indian Institute of Information
> Technology, Gwalior, Madhya Pradesh, India.
>
> I am interested in contributing to Sugarlabs organization for GSOC'23 and
> the project idea I am interested in is 'Improve and Maintain 6 Sugar
> Activity' , so I tried to filtered these activities from all other
> activities and wanted a review regarding the same.
>
> To mention this is not my draft proposal, It's just for seeking review of
> the activities.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The aim of sharing the design wiki page was to show you a design document
which contains lots of information,
yours doesn't have to be that way but it should give you an idea of what a
similar document should look like.

I don't think the old design review committee process should be revived.

I agree with James too, the document doesn't seem have been researched.

You should open a PR on sugarizer to continue the discussion there, it's
easier when there's something to test.

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On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 8:35 PM MR. OPTIMIST  wrote:

> Hello  Chihurumnaya sir,
>   Thanks for your feedback and reply to my email. I went
> through the guidelines based on which UI of the sugarizer is made. And
> except color principles i find the design proposal is okay and changes can
> be made(My opinion). All the suggestions in UI changes were made to enhance
> the navigation  experience and reduce navigation time, increase interaction
> time. I have clearly mentioned reasons why UI needs to be changed and
> proposed with effective changes that can be made.
>
> I wish to make a contribution to the following changes proposed by me.I
> also wish to keep contributing to sugar activities in future.
> Sir can this proposal make space in the gsoc idea list of sugar labs.
>
> proposed changes document link:- Click me to open !!
> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing>
>
> Thank you !
>
> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 7:49 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Anuj,
>>
>> While I think that changes can be made to the UI of Sugar/Sugarizer,
>> there are processes they should follow and ideas behind why
>> these processes exist, the design team
>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team> page on the wiki contains
>> really helpful information.
>>
>> The document you've shared contains changes to the UI but doesn't explain
>> the reason behind those changes besides
>> "they look better" and design decisions aren't just based on something
>> looking better.
>>
>> There's also the issue of completing the UI change and maintenance,
>> maintenance is a really huge part of changes to software
>> and if someone comes and says we should change something, from previous
>> experience they usually just suggest that change and
>> aren't ready to maintain it so leaving more work to the existing
>> maintainers if the change is made.
>>
>> You've done some research like you've mentioned but the document you
>> shared doesn't show the research you've done but just
>> UI changes, it'll be helpful to point us to it.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> --
>>
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>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:05 PM MR. OPTIMIST 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Alex Sir,
>>> Your response to email is very much appreciated.
>>> Sorry for the late reply.
>>>
>>> I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I also
>>> know that its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used
>>> by childrens. My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
>>> internet revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI
>>> and Ux terms were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't
>>> had access to the mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the
>>> childrens from 1 or even less than that start using technical devices and
>>> the UX is what first thing that they interact with like games and other
>>> applications.So the UI of sugarizer is not matching with the need of
>>> today's generation which reduces the user interest (research) to use the
>>> platform. So my point is we can work to enhance its UI to meet today's need
>>> and increase the interaction time of the users of our product.
>>>
>>> Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a self
>>> learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and
>>> developed 2 websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have
>>> listed all my projects in my github account and link of my github account
>>> is:-
>>> https://www.github/Anujverma89
>>>
>>>
>>> Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to give new
>>> user experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf you
>&g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Eager to work in fixing the UI of sugarizer.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Anuj,

While I think that changes can be made to the UI of Sugar/Sugarizer, there
are processes they should follow and ideas behind why
these processes exist, the design team
 page on the wiki contains
really helpful information.

The document you've shared contains changes to the UI but doesn't explain
the reason behind those changes besides
"they look better" and design decisions aren't just based on something
looking better.

There's also the issue of completing the UI change and maintenance,
maintenance is a really huge part of changes to software
and if someone comes and says we should change something, from previous
experience they usually just suggest that change and
aren't ready to maintain it so leaving more work to the existing
maintainers if the change is made.

You've done some research like you've mentioned but the document you shared
doesn't show the research you've done but just
UI changes, it'll be helpful to point us to it.

Hope this helps.

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On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 12:05 PM MR. OPTIMIST  wrote:

> Thanks Alex Sir,
> Your response to email is very much appreciated.
> Sorry for the late reply.
>
> I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I also know
> that its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used by
> childrens. My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
> internet revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI
> and Ux terms were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't
> had access to the mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the
> childrens from 1 or even less than that start using technical devices and
> the UX is what first thing that they interact with like games and other
> applications.So the UI of sugarizer is not matching with the need of
> today's generation which reduces the user interest (research) to use the
> platform. So my point is we can work to enhance its UI to meet today's need
> and increase the interaction time of the users of our product.
>
> Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a self
> learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and
> developed 2 websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have
> listed all my projects in my github account and link of my github account
> is:-
> https://www.github/Anujverma89
>
>
> Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to give new
> user experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf you
> can view it thoroughly.
> Here is the link :-
> Click me to open !!
> 
>
>
> Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly appreciated !!
> Thank You..
>
> On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
>
>> Anuj,
>>
>> I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI re-design would
>> be considered, we would require detailed written analysis of what the goals
>> are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current design, and what
>> your qualifications are for making what are largely subjective changes.
>> While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often infamous for
>> designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what sorts
>> qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI design changes
>> to Sugar/Sugarizer.
>>
>> Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a day? If so,
>> which elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used Sugar
>> extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient experience to
>> propose such changes.
>>
>> The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for children of a specific
>> age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic premise. Have
>> you considered this?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Alex Perez
>>
>> MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM:
>>
>> Hello everyone !
>>  I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India majoring in
>> computer science and engineering.  I have worked in multiple projects and
>> web applications including AI projects.
>> I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I believe it's UI can
>> be improved. Like we
>> can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve icons as well
>> which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have experience of working
>> with many projects but have not worked on open source yet. I'm writing to
>> seek further comments and be open to constructive feedback and criticism.
>> Your response to this mail will be highly appreciated.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contribution for GSOC 2023

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

They're no specific channels for intending GSoC participants, you can ask
any GSoC related questions here or on the
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:23 PM mangalam raj  wrote:

> Sorry I misunderstood a few things.I thought there is a specific
> channel/group for contributors who are doing it for gsoc23 .Thanks for
> helping me out.
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 8:39 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> It'll be helpful if you give more details, what exactly are you trying to
>> do and what instructions are you following?
>>
>> GSoC 2023 hasn't started yet so they're no mentors but any help you need
>> will be provided on the list here, you can also checkout
>> our matrix channel <https://matrix.to/#/%23sugar:matrix.org> and ask
>> questions there too.
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 3:11 PM mangalam raj 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have installed the latest version of python but the script was not
>>> working. I had to replace python with python3 and I am not assigned with a
>>> mentor for GSOC 2023.please help me out
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:42 PM mangalam raj 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello mentors,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am Mangalam Raj, second year from IIIT Nagpur, Maharashtra, India. I
>>>> am interested in contributing to the sugar labs "music block repo" as it
>>>> matches my skills.
>>>>
>>>> I am very much familiar with MERN stack,SCSS and Python .I am very much
>>>> keen to contribute to your project for GSOC 2023. Please guide me with good
>>>> first issues so that I could fix that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had cloned your repo and added dev inside script section replacing
>>>> python with python3 because python command was not working on my machine, I
>>>> hope it won’t bother you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope you will allow me for contribution and help me out
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank You
>>>>
>>>> Mangalam Raj
>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contribution for GSOC 2023

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

It'll be helpful if you give more details, what exactly are you trying to
do and what instructions are you following?

GSoC 2023 hasn't started yet so they're no mentors but any help you need
will be provided on the list here, you can also checkout
our matrix channel  and ask
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 3:11 PM mangalam raj  wrote:

> I have installed the latest version of python but the script was not
> working. I had to replace python with python3 and I am not assigned with a
> mentor for GSOC 2023.please help me out
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 4:42 PM mangalam raj 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello mentors,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am Mangalam Raj, second year from IIIT Nagpur, Maharashtra, India. I am
>> interested in contributing to the sugar labs "music block repo" as it
>> matches my skills.
>>
>> I am very much familiar with MERN stack,SCSS and Python .I am very much
>> keen to contribute to your project for GSOC 2023. Please guide me with good
>> first issues so that I could fix that.
>>
>>
>> I had cloned your repo and added dev inside script section replacing
>> python with python3 because python command was not working on my machine, I
>> hope it won’t bother you
>>
>>
>> Hope you will allow me for contribution and help me out
>>
>>
>> Thank You
>>
>> Mangalam Raj
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Contribution for GSOC 2023

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Mangalam,

What repo are you referring to? The music blocks repo you mentioned doesn't
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 12:12 PM mangalam raj 
wrote:

> Hello mentors,
>
>
>
> I am Mangalam Raj, second year from IIIT Nagpur, Maharashtra, India. I am
> interested in contributing to the sugar labs "music block repo" as it
> matches my skills.
>
> I am very much familiar with MERN stack,SCSS and Python .I am very much
> keen to contribute to your project for GSOC 2023. Please guide me with good
> first issues so that I could fix that.
>
>
> I had cloned your repo and added dev inside script section replacing
> python with python3 because python command was not working on my machine, I
> hope it won’t bother you
>
>
> Hope you will allow me for contribution and help me out
>
>
> Thank You
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Inquiry regarding contributing to Sugar Labs for a beginner

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Vatsalya,

The resources you're asking for, is it to help you with learning the tools
you mentioned above?

Checkout our how can I help

page as it contains information on installing and trying out our software.

We don't assign mentors except within the confines of a program .eg. Google
Summer of Code.

If you have any questions you can ask them here on the mailing list or on
our matrix  channel.

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2022 at 7:16 AM Vatsalya Sharma <
vatsalya2021.offic...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello there!
>
>
>
> I am an engineering student who is keen to learn and explore the world of
> Open Source. I am interested to contribute in your organisation with all my
> zeal and desire. Sugar Labs’ motto to “Learn how to learn” has piqued
> interest in me as to how I can contribute to it as well.
>
>
>
> Though I am learning HTML, CSS, JavaScript, NodeJS, ExpressJS and ReactJS,
> however, I would like to enhance my knowledge further, so kindly recommend
> me the resources required for doing so.
>
>
>
> Also, I would like to know if you can guide me regarding the project
> installation and any beginner friendly first issues that I can work on.
>
>
>
> I am sure making the first step will be hard for me, so I would like to
> know if I can be assigned any mentor.
>
>
>
> Thanking you
>
> Vatsalya Sharma
>
> National Institute of Technology
>
> Hamirpur, India
>
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to get started with contributing

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Farhaan,

You should check out our how can I help

page as it contains information on how to get started.

You should also check out our how to contribute

page.

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On Sun, Dec 25, 2022 at 4:36 PM Farhaan Ebadulla 
wrote:

> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
> I am Farhaan, a computer science undergraduate student. I have just
> entered my second year at PES University Bangalore, India. I am new to
> open-source contributions, but I am well-versed in Python, JavaScript,
> HTML, and CSS. I would love to contribute to your organization, can you
> please guide me on how to get started?
>
> I am hoping to hear from you soon.
>
> Regards,
>
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[Sugar-devel] [Release] Sugar 0.120 unstable

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Sugar 0.120 is released.

This release contains;

- Accessibility keys in the journal; you can now navigate the journal with
the arrow keys and start an entry with the enter key.
- Translated languages in My Settings; Languages in My Settings have now
been translated to their native translations.
- Drag from Clipboard to Journal to store data; You can now create journal
entries by dragging items from the clipboard to the journal icon.
- All layouts in the favourites view have now been enabled.

sha256 checksums;

15476d1cc0bac2367ede4c855625cee88741c4d774908a7e633c264bb68b6928
 sugar-toolkit-gtk3-0.120.tar.xz
6052b4d3488daf78901d2914015e3c67017cb1bb0cf669625b1f1d62921e9afa
 sugar-artwork-0.120.tar.xz
57373da5b6bd877f5198c5e4e3b7921856e9d4ff47e7e163806ed1787a3c4b62
 sugar-datastore-0.120.tar.xz
57373da5b6bd877f5198c5e4e3b7921856e9d4ff47e7e163806ed1787a3c4b62
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Seeking for some guidance to start contributing to sugar labs

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Saurabh,

We have three projects at Sugar Labs;

Sugar  -
Python/JavaScript
Sugarizer  - JavaScript
Music Blocks , MusicBlocks-v4
 - JavaScript/TypeScript

I don't know what skills you possess hence me listing them out that way as
it'll be easier for you to decide which project you'd like
to contribute to.

You should also check out our getting started
, let us know if
you have any questions.

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On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:18 PM Saurabh Satapathy <
saurabhsatapat...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Sir/Mam,
> I am very much interested to start contributing to sugar labs for getting
> knowledge of the code base and to prepare myself for upcoming GSoC 2023.
> Kindly guide me on where to start (as there are a lot of repositories,
> starting with which will be helpful for me as a beginner?) and to
> understand the code structure.
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Draft proposal review

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Umesh,

Proposal looks good, We're *Sugar Labs *and not *sugar labs*.

 If you have any contributions to Sugar already please add them to the
proposal.

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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 6:53 PM UMESH ARADHYA P 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> Here is my draft proposal on the project
>
> Thoughts and suggestion are welcome
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 22 Proposal

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing Sarthak, a few comments;

Chat: You don't need two XOs to chat, one user shares their activity and
the other is able to join from their
neighborhood view if they're within close proximity of each other. You
could also explain more on how you intend to fix #17
.

Turtle In a Pond: Any ideas for a new UI? Also share.

Log: Investigate to know what causes #21
 and share that if
you've figured it out.

Also share your UI ideas for any of the activities that you talk about UI
changes.

You should also include any idea that you have that would bring about a
discussion with your mentors.

If you have any prior contributions to any of the Sugar Labs repos, you
should add that too.

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On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 1:42 PM Sarthak Kinge 
wrote:

> Can someone please tell me what changes should I do ? .
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 6:08 PM Sarthak Kinge 
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Self Introduction

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Abubakar,

Welcome to the Sugar Labs community, if you haven't gone through our Ideas
list  for this
year's GSoC then you should.
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 11:34 AM Abubakar Ibrahim Baiwa <
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> University, Kano, Nigeria.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2022 Introduction

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Hussnain,

Welcome to the Sugar Labs community, you should take a look at Sugarizer
 and Music Blocks
.
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 7:10 PM Hussnain Raza 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Myself Hussnain Raza,
> I am a Computer Science student at the University of Engineering and
> Technology Lahore. Currently, I am in the 6th semester of the BS program. I
> am also a web developer and open source contributor.
>
> I came across the SugarLabs while exploring the GSoC organizations. Sugar
> Labs is quite related to my interest. The ideas are also exciting and
> useful. I think I can really contribute to SugarLabs and make it a more
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Re: [Sugar-devel] My several activities are not running on my setup.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

You can also share the log file here if you need help understanding it, log
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:15 PM James Cameron  wrote:

> Read the log files and diagnose the failure cause?
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:18:03PM +0530, Sarthak Kinge wrote:
> > I've been trying to run these activities for 2-3 days. I am not able to
> open
> > these activities. I did read the setup instructions and followed the
> steps as
> > it is but still it is not working . What should I do?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2022 Proposal

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Also upload your final proposal to the GSoC dashboard as it'll not get
reviewed after the deadline is passed if it
isn't uploaded there.

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On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 2:43 AM Ashish Aggarwal 
wrote:

> Hey Divyansh,
> Please feel free to share your proposal here or you can also share the
> proposal with me also to get it reviewed.
> Regards
> Ashish Aggarwal
>
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 2:17 AM, James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> You also raised an issue on our GSoC repository.  I suggest that if
>> Ashish is unresponsive, then contact Lionel Laske as next step.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 05:07:45PM +0530, Divyansh Agarwal wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Myself Divyansh,
>> > I was going through the ideas for GSOC 2022 and I have created a
>> proposal. I
>> > want to ask how to get the proposal reviewed by the mentor of the
>> Sugarizer
>> > Exerciser Evaluation mode project.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Updated invitation: Call for Design meeting @ Monthly from 08:00 to 09:00 on the second Friday from Fri 2019-09-13 to Thu 2022-04-07 (EDT) (i...@lists.sugarlabs.org)

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Just seeing this, did the meeting change as I'm seeing that it changed from
today to yesterday.



On Fri, 8 Apr 2022, 12:54 pm ,  wrote:

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>
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> 2019-09-13 to Thu 2022-04-07 Eastern Time - New York
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> •
> Walter Bender - organizer
> •
> perriefide...@gmail.com
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> •
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> Hello,
>
> I created an agenda for the meeting today.
>
> Regards.
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> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 23:33, James Cameron wrote:
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Yes, I'm fine with 12pm UTC, thanks for adjusting.
> >
> > Just to help communicate the needs; in our history at Sugar Labs;
> >
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> >
> > - consistency of icons inside Sugar, and user interface, were Design
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> >
> > - the Design Team was composed from self-selected Sugar and core
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> >
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unsubscribe from mailing list

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HI Arvind,

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Re: [Sugar-devel] 12 sugar activities

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

You can checkout our repos with the Python filter
 as a lot
of activities are written in Python, you'll notice a pattern in those
activities and so
if you see any activity with such pattern and isn't written in Python then
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> I would like to use and check 12 activities . Can I get the list of 12
> activities which come under the 12 sugar activities project?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Improve and maintain 12 sugar activities .

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Sarthak,

You can start by setting up a dev environment

and using some of the activities there, you can also clone more.
Also checkout our contributing

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 3:46 PM Sarthak Kinge 
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> Hi , I would like to contribute in 12 sugar activities project from where
> should I start and how can I know where I can contribute?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Want to contribute to Sugarlab GSoC 2022.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Anmol,

Welcome to the Sugar Labs community, you can check out our matrix room
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 7:30 AM 20COB145 Anmol Agrawal <
anmol2002@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am Anmol Agrawal, a Computer Science undergraduate, I have just entered
> my second year at Zakir Hussain College of Engineering (Aligarh Muslim
> University).I am new to open source contributions but I have done many
> contribution with my brother (currently a software engineer). I am well
> aware of HTML , CSS , Javascript ,React,PHP & Python . I am interested In
> GSOC 2022 .I want to part of your organization (Sugar Labs) in GSOC 2022.
>
>
> I am interested in GSOC 2022 project Vue.js Ui.
>
>
> Please help me to get started .
>
>
> Please add me in your community channel/ mailing list where I can ask my
> doubt too
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Can I get previous years GSOC proposals ?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Sarthak,

I'm not sure about that as they're usually uploaded on the GSoC website if
I remember correctly, we do have a proposal template
 you can look at.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC proposal discussion

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Suraj,

We have a proposal template
 that you can
follow, you can also share your proposal to the mailing list and anyone who
has
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> Hi,
> I am suraj kumar . I have been going through the sugarlabs code base and
> trying to write a proposal application. I just wanted to know whether I
> should discuss about the implementation of GSoC project in this mailing
> list or does sugarlabs have other means by which i can pitch the proposal
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSOC 2022

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Syed,

You might want to take a look at the GSOC
 repo, it contains very helpful
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On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 5:49 AM 20COB228 Syed Mohammad Abbas <
mohdabbas9557870...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Respected sir/ma'am
>
> I am Syed Mohammad Abbas , a Computer Science undergraduate, I have just
> entered my second year at Zakir Hussain College of Engineering (Aligarh
> Muslim University).I am new to open source contributions but I have done
> many contribution with my brother (currently a software engineer). I am
> well aware of HTML , CSS , Javascript , Vue.js and PHP. I am interested in
> GSOC 2022 in your organization (Sugarlabs) of project
> Sugarizer Vue.Js UI.
> Please help me to get started and to get selected in this project for GSOC
> 2022.
> Please add me in your community channel where I can ask my doubt too
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Gsoc 2022 Contribution

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Rohit,

We have a proposal template
 that can help
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On Wed, Mar 9, 2022 at 4:27 PM Rohit Patil  wrote:

> Motivation: Hey, I am Rohit,  a pre-final year student pursuing  B.E in
> Information Technology. I am always fascinated by open source and want to
> start off my open-source journey with Sugarlabs  Organisation. I can't wait
> to become a part of this community!
>
> I am looking forward to contributing to sugar assignments, as its
> requirement are aligned to my skillset. I need guidance from you, like what
> should I mention in the proposal and what should I don’t.
>
> About Me: I am a self-taught full-stack developer, skilled in MERN and
> python.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding contribution in Sugar Repository

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Glad I could help, also when replying to the emails use the reply-all
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On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 12:08 PM Saumya Kushwaha 
wrote:

> Thanks, Ibiam, It's helped a lot.
> I will surely follow the contributing guide file for making changes.
>
> Saumya Kushwaha
>
> On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 3:54 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes you can clone the activity locally from that link then make any
>> changes you want and copy the directory to your vm,
>> after testing any issue you're working on and things are working as
>> expected then you can push to your fork of the activity and
>> open a PR from there.
>>
>> You should check out our contributing guide
>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md>
>> for making changes to an activity and Sugar.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:48 PM Saumya Kushwaha 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Ibiam,
>>> Now I am able to copy and change the file via ssh with SCP.
>>>
>>> Could you confirm that, If I want to work on let's say "Calculate
>>> Activity" then I can clone it from here
>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/calculate-activity> then copy the VM
>>> "calculate Activity" in my local and now after comparing and easily
>>> checking them using any code editor, can work on any issue, and if things
>>> are working, then can raise the pr in the cloned repository of "Calculate
>>> Activity" i.e. here <https://github.com/sugarlabs/calculate-activity>.
>>>
>>> Thank again, Other pieces of information are also very helpful.
>>>
>>> Saumya Kushwaha
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:45 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Saumya,
>>>>
>>>> If I understand correctly, you currently make changes to sugar locally
>>>> from a cloned repo and you're trying to get these changes to your Sugar VM,
>>>> if that's the case then you can either copy the files you changed to
>>>> the VM via ssh with rsync or scp and move the file to the right directory
>>>> so you
>>>> can test it.
>>>>
>>>> For changes to Sugar activities, you can clone activities in
>>>> ~/Activities in the VM and copy your changed files to the specific activity
>>>> in that folder, you should be
>>>> able to see the cloned activity from the activity ring in Sugar and to
>>>> test your changes you can start a new instance of the activity and you
>>>> should be able to see your changes.
>>>>
>>>> For changes to sugar and it's core APIs, the source code in the vm can
>>>> be found at /usr/src/sugar(-artwork, -toolkit-gtk3, -datastore) and
>>>> /usr/src/gwebsockets,
>>>> you can build any of the APIs after copying your changes, check here
>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-live-build/blob/master/src/config/hooks/normal/0900-sugar.hook.chroot>
>>>> for how to build any of the APIs.
>>>> Changes to any of the APIs can only be done as root and require a
>>>> restart to propagate.
>>>>
>>>> Activity and Sugar logs can be found at ~/.sugar/default/logs.
>>>>
>>>> If you use vim, you can make changes directly as you can access the VM
>>>> via ssh, this removes the need to copy files to the VM.
>>>>
>>>> Hope that helps!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
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>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:53 PM Saumya Kushwaha 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Respected Sir,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Saumya Kushwaha, a CSE 2nd year student of IITBHU, India. I am
>>>>> already contributing to SugarLabs from December 2021 in many repositories.
>>>>> I have queries regarding contribution to the Sugar
>>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar> repository. I have already set
>>>>> up the Sugar in my Virtual Machine and can access it via SSH.
>>>>>   But, I am not able to find how I actually connect the forked code of
>>>>> "Sugar" from my local environment to the Virtual Machine. I mean to say 
>>>>> how
>>>>> after changing the code in my local environment can see the changes in
>>>>> Virtual machine. I had followed this
>>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/development-environment.md>
>>>>> file but couldn't able to understand this thing properly.
>>>>> Could anyone please guide me, share an article or blog from where I
>>>>> can read, or let me know the steps like after cloning how I connect my
>>>>> Virtual Machine code to the local machine. SO that I can work on pending
>>>>> issues and contribute to Sugar.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be a great help!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>>>> Saumya Kushwaha
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding contribution in Sugar Repository

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Yes you can clone the activity locally from that link then make any changes
you want and copy the directory to your vm,
after testing any issue you're working on and things are working as
expected then you can push to your fork of the activity and
open a PR from there.

You should check out our contributing guide
<https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-docs/blob/master/src/contributing.md>
for making changes to an activity and Sugar.

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On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 8:48 PM Saumya Kushwaha  wrote:

> Thank you Ibiam,
> Now I am able to copy and change the file via ssh with SCP.
>
> Could you confirm that, If I want to work on let's say "Calculate
> Activity" then I can clone it from here
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/calculate-activity> then copy the VM
> "calculate Activity" in my local and now after comparing and easily
> checking them using any code editor, can work on any issue, and if things
> are working, then can raise the pr in the cloned repository of "Calculate
> Activity" i.e. here <https://github.com/sugarlabs/calculate-activity>.
>
> Thank again, Other pieces of information are also very helpful.
>
> Saumya Kushwaha
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 10:45 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Saumya,
>>
>> If I understand correctly, you currently make changes to sugar locally
>> from a cloned repo and you're trying to get these changes to your Sugar VM,
>> if that's the case then you can either copy the files you changed to the
>> VM via ssh with rsync or scp and move the file to the right directory so you
>> can test it.
>>
>> For changes to Sugar activities, you can clone activities in ~/Activities
>> in the VM and copy your changed files to the specific activity in that
>> folder, you should be
>> able to see the cloned activity from the activity ring in Sugar and to
>> test your changes you can start a new instance of the activity and you
>> should be able to see your changes.
>>
>> For changes to sugar and it's core APIs, the source code in the vm can be
>> found at /usr/src/sugar(-artwork, -toolkit-gtk3, -datastore) and
>> /usr/src/gwebsockets,
>> you can build any of the APIs after copying your changes, check here
>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-live-build/blob/master/src/config/hooks/normal/0900-sugar.hook.chroot>
>> for how to build any of the APIs.
>> Changes to any of the APIs can only be done as root and require a restart
>> to propagate.
>>
>> Activity and Sugar logs can be found at ~/.sugar/default/logs.
>>
>> If you use vim, you can make changes directly as you can access the VM
>> via ssh, this removes the need to copy files to the VM.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Ibiam Chihurumnaya
>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:53 PM Saumya Kushwaha 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Respected Sir,
>>>
>>> I am Saumya Kushwaha, a CSE 2nd year student of IITBHU, India. I am
>>> already contributing to SugarLabs from December 2021 in many repositories.
>>> I have queries regarding contribution to the Sugar
>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar> repository. I have already set
>>> up the Sugar in my Virtual Machine and can access it via SSH.
>>>   But, I am not able to find how I actually connect the forked code of
>>> "Sugar" from my local environment to the Virtual Machine. I mean to say how
>>> after changing the code in my local environment can see the changes in
>>> Virtual machine. I had followed this
>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/development-environment.md>
>>> file but couldn't able to understand this thing properly.
>>> Could anyone please guide me, share an article or blog from where I can
>>> read, or let me know the steps like after cloning how I connect my Virtual
>>> Machine code to the local machine. SO that I can work on pending issues
>>> and contribute to Sugar.
>>>
>>> It would be a great help!
>>>
>>> Thanks and Regards,
>>> Saumya Kushwaha
>>> Github: https://github.com/S-kus
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Regarding contribution in Sugar Repository

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Hi Saumya,

If I understand correctly, you currently make changes to sugar locally from
a cloned repo and you're trying to get these changes to your Sugar VM,
if that's the case then you can either copy the files you changed to the VM
via ssh with rsync or scp and move the file to the right directory so you
can test it.

For changes to Sugar activities, you can clone activities in ~/Activities
in the VM and copy your changed files to the specific activity in that
folder, you should be
able to see the cloned activity from the activity ring in Sugar and to test
your changes you can start a new instance of the activity and you should be
able to see your changes.

For changes to sugar and it's core APIs, the source code in the vm can be
found at /usr/src/sugar(-artwork, -toolkit-gtk3, -datastore) and
/usr/src/gwebsockets,
you can build any of the APIs after copying your changes, check here

for how to build any of the APIs.
Changes to any of the APIs can only be done as root and require a restart
to propagate.

Activity and Sugar logs can be found at ~/.sugar/default/logs.

If you use vim, you can make changes directly as you can access the VM via
ssh, this removes the need to copy files to the VM.

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On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 at 2:53 PM Saumya Kushwaha  wrote:

> Respected Sir,
>
> I am Saumya Kushwaha, a CSE 2nd year student of IITBHU, India. I am
> already contributing to SugarLabs from December 2021 in many repositories.
> I have queries regarding contribution to the Sugar
>  repository. I have already set
> up the Sugar in my Virtual Machine and can access it via SSH.
>   But, I am not able to find how I actually connect the forked code of
> "Sugar" from my local environment to the Virtual Machine. I mean to say how
> after changing the code in my local environment can see the changes in
> Virtual machine. I had followed this
> 
> file but couldn't able to understand this thing properly.
> Could anyone please guide me, share an article or blog from where I can
> read, or let me know the steps like after cloning how I connect my Virtual
> Machine code to the local machine. SO that I can work on pending issues
> and contribute to Sugar.
>
> It would be a great help!
>
> Thanks and Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

I'm still trying to figure out how that happened and I'll try taking a look
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 9:00 AM Peter Robinson  wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 1:40 AM Alex Perez  wrote:
> >
> > There's a fixed Fedora 35 SoaS ISO at
> http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/Fedora-SoaS-Live-x86_64-F35-20220211.iso
> which I have confirmed is working as expected.
> >
> > The above ISO is 1.2 gigabytes in size.
>
> Great, do we know why/how this slipped through the gaps? For those
> that aren't aware the Fedora schedule for F-36 is at the following
> link. The main date to note is the final freeze on 5th April.
>
> https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-key-tasks.html
>
> > Chihurumnaya Ibiam wrote on 2/9/2022 12:37 PM:
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and
> deployed to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the
> current stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3.
> >
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[Sugar-devel] Fix Startup issue with F35 SOAS

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Everyone,

A fix for the fail to start issue on F35 SOAS has been fixed and deployed
to F35, so an update on an F35 would get the fix, you can view the current
stable versions for sugar-toolkit-gtk3
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Re: [Sugar-devel] TumbleBoy-1.xo walkthrough video

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Used to enjoy using the activity, it's been a really long time since I last
used it.

Thanks for adding it.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021, 12:21 am James Cameron,  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/ucl0eN2kNdc is a walkthrough of the TumbleBoy-1.xo
> game.
>
> This game was published on olpcgames.org and was found using
> Internet Archive wayback machine.
>
> It is Python 2 game that relies on olpcgames, Pygame, and Pygtk
> libraries.  Inside it is a smaller Python program TumbleBoy.py that
> only relies on Pygame.
>
> I've added it to
> https://github.com/sugarlabs/tumbleboy-activity
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Re: [Sugar-devel] 10th meeting report

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for sharing Sarthak.

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On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:06 AM Sarthak gupta 
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I and lionel had our 10th meeting today at 9 AM UTC.
> We first discussed the status of last week's tasks and then decided this
> week's tasks.
>
> Last week task:
>
>1. Correct localization issues in PR
>2. For mobile device, tuning pannel should be visible instead of
>logging pannel
>3. Implement sharing mode.
>4. Research about tutorial.
>
> This week task:
>
>1. Complete tutorial
>2. Improve responsiveness
>
> Our next meeting will be on Sunday August 1 at  9AM UTC.
>
> Regards,
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] meeting reminder

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Everyone, apologies for not making it to the meeting. Had some power
issues, I've gone through the logs.

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On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 1:31 AM Walter Bender 
wrote:

> We have a Sugar Labs oversight meeting on Wednesday, 23 June at 19:30
> UTC (3:30 PM on the US East Coast). Hope you can join us (on #sugar in
> matrix.org)
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
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[Sugar-devel] GSoC Introductory Meet and Greet

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Hi Everyone,

I know this is coming late but can we meet tomorrow Friday by 6PM GTM+1 -
10: 30PM IST, 1PM EST - for a meet and greet?
The idea is to get to meet other students and mentors and share what
everyone would be working on this summer.

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Re: [Sugar-devel] Wiki is down

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Seems to be working fine now.

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On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 12:31 AM Ibiam Chihurumnaya 
wrote:

> Seems like sunjammer is down - I'm guessing that's where the wiki is
> hosted -, tried creating a page a while ago and I couldn't as the
> connection times out.
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Unable to use shared clipboard in sugar live vm.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Shivam,

Could you explain what you're trying to do?

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On Tue, May 4, 2021 at 9:51 AM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> Even after enabling bidirectional clipboard it doesnt work in
> sugarlivebuild vm.
> Have tried some change in settings but it didnt work.
> Although with the same settings there is no copy paste issue in other vm's
> i am using.
> I think its something from my side.
> What can be done to sort this out?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to modify the sugar?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Trying using the logger then and output what you want as an error or
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On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 11:27 AM Sourabha G 
wrote:

> Thanks, I thought so too. So I changed the text of placeholder of Journal
> each time I executed to ensure the changed code is executed and it did
> reflect in the text of the placeholder each time, but just the print
> statements aren't shown in shell.log.
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 2:57 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Sugar logs show in shell.log and activity logs show in activity specific
>> log usually in the form bundle_id.log, your print statements not being
>> shown might mean they were never executed. The other folder it showed in
>> are older logs hence the print statement executed sometime when you tested.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 8:01 AM Sourabha G 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the detailed explanation. I tried modifying Sugar and the
>>> changes persist. The traceback and errors are shown in the log files, but
>>> the debug output(print statements) does not show up in log files (But
>>> it did show only once in shell.log inside one of the 4 directories labelled
>>> with 10 digits numbers). Is there any other files other than shell.log
>>> where the output might get stored?
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ibiam has answered you, but I'll just add a bit of context.
>>>>
>>>> Sugar is a "desktop environment", which means it is a graphical shell
>>>> program and a suite of other programs activated from that shell.  It
>>>> is run (using python module jarabe) as the first and only program of a
>>>> graphical login session, e.g. through Xsession.
>>>>
>>>> Sugar uses GNU conventions for software package building and
>>>> installing.  We know this as "configure, make, make install".  The
>>>> method works on pretty much every major Linux distribution.
>>>>
>>>> Each Linux distribution may follow different conventions for how
>>>> programs, or Python programs in particular, are installed.
>>>>
>>>> Sugar Live Build is built from the Debian distribution, and so most
>>>> closely tracks how Debian developers install software.
>>>>
>>>> However, it does not exactly match.
>>>>
>>>> The domain specific knowledge needed is operating system software
>>>> distribution internals, and specific knowledge about how Python
>>>> programs are installed by distribution packages on a Debian system.
>>>>
>>>> Once you know how a Python program is installed on a system for all
>>>> users of that system to use, you have the first step of many.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 05:06:29PM +0530, Sourabha G wrote:
>>>> > Hi everyone,
>>>> >  How to test the modified source of sugar from within Sugar DE? I
>>>> cloned the
>>>> > sugar repo but not sure how to test the modification.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thank you.
>>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to modify the sugar?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Sugar logs show in shell.log and activity logs show in activity specific
log usually in the form bundle_id.log, your print statements not being
shown might mean they were never executed. The other folder it showed in
are older logs hence the print statement executed sometime when you tested.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 8:01 AM Sourabha G  wrote:

> Thanks for the detailed explanation. I tried modifying Sugar and the
> changes persist. The traceback and errors are shown in the log files, but
> the debug output(print statements) does not show up in log files (But it
> did show only once in shell.log inside one of the 4 directories labelled
> with 10 digits numbers). Is there any other files other than shell.log
> where the output might get stored?
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021 at 9:00 AM James Cameron  wrote:
>
>> Ibiam has answered you, but I'll just add a bit of context.
>>
>> Sugar is a "desktop environment", which means it is a graphical shell
>> program and a suite of other programs activated from that shell.  It
>> is run (using python module jarabe) as the first and only program of a
>> graphical login session, e.g. through Xsession.
>>
>> Sugar uses GNU conventions for software package building and
>> installing.  We know this as "configure, make, make install".  The
>> method works on pretty much every major Linux distribution.
>>
>> Each Linux distribution may follow different conventions for how
>> programs, or Python programs in particular, are installed.
>>
>> Sugar Live Build is built from the Debian distribution, and so most
>> closely tracks how Debian developers install software.
>>
>> However, it does not exactly match.
>>
>> The domain specific knowledge needed is operating system software
>> distribution internals, and specific knowledge about how Python
>> programs are installed by distribution packages on a Debian system.
>>
>> Once you know how a Python program is installed on a system for all
>> users of that system to use, you have the first step of many.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 05:06:29PM +0530, Sourabha G wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >  How to test the modified source of sugar from within Sugar DE? I
>> cloned the
>> > sugar repo but not sure how to test the modification.
>> >
>> > Thank you.
>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to modify the sugar?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

There's nothing to be sorry about, testing activities that way is fine and
a good method too.
Making changes to Sugar on the other hand is different.

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On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 2:06 PM Sourabha G 
wrote:

> Thanks,
>
> > Just curios; how were you making changes to activities before now and
> how'd you setup a
> > dev environment for that?
> I have set up a development environment using packaged Sugar
> environment
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/development-environment.md#packaged-sugar>;
> I clone the activity, modify it in micro, nano or VSCode and run the
> activity from terminal-activity to test. This would work fine as I was
> working on Honey activities till now. But now, I wanted to modify Journal
> and this method wouldn't work as Journal is a part of Sugar desktop. Now I
> realised I need to install live build
> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/development-environment.md#sugar-live-build>
>  for
> this.(sorry, I should've read the document properly)
>
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 5:41 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> You can look at setting up a development environment
>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/blob/master/docs/development-environment.md#sugar-live-build>
>> for how to setup sugar-live-build.
>>
>> Just curios; how were you making changes to activities before now and
>> how'd you setup a
>> dev environment for that?
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:36 PM Sourabha G 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>  How to test the modified source of sugar from within Sugar DE? I cloned
>>> the sugar repo but not sure how to test the modification.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] How to modify the sugar?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

You can look at setting up a development environment

for how to setup sugar-live-build.

Just curios; how were you making changes to activities before now and how'd
you setup a
dev environment for that?

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On Sat, Apr 17, 2021 at 12:36 PM Sourabha G 
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> Hi everyone,
>  How to test the modified source of sugar from within Sugar DE? I cloned
> the sugar repo but not sure how to test the modification.
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Apply Changes to Sugar live build.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Yeah, that's a debian specific convention, you can read about it here
https://wiki.debian.org/Python under "Deviations from Upstream" so your
changes should be made to /usr/lib/python3.7/dist-packages/jarabe.

You can also make your changes to sugar sources in /usr/src/sugar*/ and
build then use rsync or just move the files where needed.
You can also see this in the live build,
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar-live-build/blob/master/src/config/hooks/normal/0900-sugar.hook.chroot
.

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 3:42 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> /usr/lib/python3.8/site-packages/jarabe/desktop/favorites layout.py
>
> for testing commit 118e73
>
> P.s. I am using sugarlivebuild as vm in virtual box.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 7:39 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> What directory did you make the changes in?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 12:36 PM Shivam Rai 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In terminal activity,I changed to super user with su command. Then  cd/
>>> to respective directory. Then, vi(command) module.py.
>>> It opened the module.Switched to insert mode(i). Changed the code. Then
>>> saved and exit it using (:wq! )
>>> I confirmed the changes by reopening the module. They are there. But
>>> when I restarted it the changes were not kept. The module was in its
>>> original state.
>>>
>>> And Yes, I will make sure to keep related queries in same thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:20 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How did you apply the changes?
>>>>
>>>> And also, can you keep similar discussions to one particular thread as
>>>> it makes it easier to
>>>> find for future reference as you already opened a similar thread
>>>> earlier.
>>>>
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>>>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:18 AM Shivam Rai <
>>>> shivamrai19042...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I applied changes in a module through bash terminal in sugar live
>>>>> build.
>>>>> I shutdown and started machine. The changes were not kept. What can be
>>>>> the reason?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Apply Changes to Sugar live build.

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What directory did you make the changes in?

On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 12:36 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> In terminal activity,I changed to super user with su command. Then  cd/ to
> respective directory. Then, vi(command) module.py.
> It opened the module.Switched to insert mode(i). Changed the code. Then
> saved and exit it using (:wq! )
> I confirmed the changes by reopening the module. They are there. But when
> I restarted it the changes were not kept. The module was in its original
> state.
>
> And Yes, I will make sure to keep related queries in same thread.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:20 PM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> How did you apply the changes?
>>
>> And also, can you keep similar discussions to one particular thread as it
>> makes it easier to
>> find for future reference as you already opened a similar thread earlier.
>>
>> --
>>
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>> ib...@sugarlabs.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:18 AM Shivam Rai 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I applied changes in a module through bash terminal in sugar live build.
>>> I shutdown and started machine. The changes were not kept. What can be
>>> the reason?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Apply Changes to Sugar live build.

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

How did you apply the changes?

And also, can you keep similar discussions to one particular thread as it
makes it easier to
find for future reference as you already opened a similar thread earlier.

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On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 11:18 AM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> I applied changes in a module through bash terminal in sugar live build.
> I shutdown and started machine. The changes were not kept. What can be the
> reason?
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Testing commits

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

The easiest way to test changes to Sugar is via the Sugar Live Build
because all you
need after applying your changes is a restart and these changes reflect and
in your case
where you want to test particular commits, all you need to do is checkout
that commit and
rebuild the Sugar Live Build at that commit, restart Sugar and you can test
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On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 1:47 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> I am using sugar 0.117 on ubuntu. I want to test some commits from sugar
> repository done after the release. Is it necessary to install sugar live
> build? Or I guess I can do it by changing modules within ubuntu directory
> of sugar.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC'21 draft proposal for 'Port Sugar and core activities to python3 '

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Thanks for your response.

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 6:18 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> Sir ,
> This is my first time contributing to open source.
> I have been learning python ports and have  experience of bug fixing in it
> apart
> I have no such contribution in any other open source project. I have gone
> through most of the changes done  after sugar port to python 3 pull merge. I 
> have
> been testing regression issues but still there is more to be done from my
> side.
>
> More thoughts and suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Shivam
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 3:40 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Shivam,
>>
>> Thanks for sending your proposal, a few comments;
>>
>> In "Why do you want to work on this particular project?" you have said
>> that you chose it because of
>> your skills in Python and porting, you also mentioned that you've started
>> working on some bugs,
>> could you also include links to your existing contributions on porting -
>> include the ones not related to Sugar Labs too -.
>>
>> Also don't forget to upload your proposal from your GSoC dashboard.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:28 PM Shivam Rai 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Here is my draft proposal for the 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar
>>> activities' project as a part of GSoC-20201.
>>> Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated :)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Shivam Rai
>>>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Incorrect Information

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Sarthak,

I understand that you're an intending GSoC participant and it won't sit
right with you while someone
wants to use your ongoing work for their own proposal while you're also
applying for same but after looking
at the both proposal and having seen that he'd given credit to you, I don't
think that there's anything for you to
worry about, as the final decision about who'd work on what rests with the
mentors and the mentors take a lot
of things into consideration when reviewing a proposal.

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On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 9:02 AM Sarthak gupta 
wrote:

> Hi Aditya,
> I'm also a GSOC 2021 participant. I've sent a proposal for Sugarizer
> Measure Activity. I've created that branch to show the UI prototype and
> functioning of some features.
>
> Regards,
> Sarthak Gupta
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 12:37 PM Aditya sinha 
> wrote:
>
>> I had sent this mail to Sarthak, but I forgot to cc others. I am sending
>> it again.
>>
>> Hi Sarthak,
>> Thank you for pointing out the above things.
>>
>>- I'd like to know if I'm not allowed to use your work.
>>- The branch which you are talking about is publically upstreamed. I
>>found it on your github profile.
>>- I have mentioned that the work on waveform is done and I am not
>>repeating anything during the coding period. I am continuing on other 
>> parts
>>of activity after this.
>>- Any suggestions that my proposal will not be in conflict among
>>mentors.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Aditya Sinha
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Apr 2021 at 12:18, James Cameron  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for pointing that out.  Use of other people's work should be
>>> credited.
>>>
>>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC#want-to-work-with-us-
>>>
>>> Aditya will be expected to revise their proposal to add this, if
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021 at 08:31:11AM +0530, Sarthak gupta wrote:
>>> > Hi Aditya,
>>> > I saw your proposal which you've sent on the mailing list. There are
>>> few wrong
>>> > things which you've mentioned in your proposal:
>>> >
>>> >   • You mentioned there is an incomplete implementation of mine but
>>> I've not
>>> > raised any pull request for measure activity. I had only
>>> discussion with
>>> > Lionel.
>>> >   • The image which you've used is part of work on my private branch
>>> which I've
>>> > made for showing UI prototype for GSOC 2021. How did you find this
>>> branch,
>>> > I've not mentioned it anywhere.
>>> >   • You've shown the proposed UI same as my work with little changes.
>>> >   • Time period scaling and Waveform settings are exactly same as mine.
>>> >   • You've used my code of audioprocess event listener and
>>> drawWaveform.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Sarthak Gupta
>>> > (Github handle: sarthak-g)
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC'21 draft proposal for 'Port Sugar and core activities to python3 '

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Shivam,

Thanks for sending your proposal, a few comments;

In "Why do you want to work on this particular project?" you have said that
you chose it because of
your skills in Python and porting, you also mentioned that you've started
working on some bugs,
could you also include links to your existing contributions on porting -
include the ones not related to Sugar Labs too -.

Also don't forget to upload your proposal from your GSoC dashboard.


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On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 6:28 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Here is my draft proposal for the 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar
> activities' project as a part of GSoC-20201.
> Thoughts and suggestions are appreciated :)
>
> Regards,
> Shivam Rai
>
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Proposal held by moderator

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Your email has been posted to the list.

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On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 7:30 PM Aditya sinha 
wrote:

> Hi everyone. I had actually sent a proposal for Sugarizer measure
> activity. But it was held back by moderator due to message size issue. I
> got a reply - 'Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will
> receive notification of moderator's decision.'
>
> I request mentors to please look into it as the GSOC proposal deadline is
> approaching.
>
> Regards
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Re: [Sugar-devel] Improve and maintain 15 sugar activities Proposal Review Request

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Aryan,

It'll be great if you uploaded your proposal pdf to the list too so
everyone from the community
can give feedback and not just GSoC mentors.

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 5:10 PM Aryan Sharma  wrote:

> Hey everyone
>
> I have submitted my draft proposal for " Improve and maintain 15 sugar
> activities " project on the GSoC website. Please share your valuable
> feedbacks.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
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Re: [Sugar-devel] What are Core activities?

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Hi Shivam,

You can read more about which activities belong where on the taxonomy
 page of the wiki.

The Fructose set of activities are maintained by Sugar developers while
SOAS and Ubuntu packages can
be maintained by package maintainers from these downstreams, they don't
necessarily need a Sugar developer
to maintain these packages as long as there's a packager who decides to
maintain these packages and the packager
decides what to package and what not to package.

They're no labels in activity repositories that'll make you know which is
packaged for which but the currently packaged
activities in Ubuntu can be found in the pkg-sugar-team
 page and the packages which are
currently defaults in SOAS
can be found in the activity.defaults

file of sugar in the fedora package sources.
I hope this helps.


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On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:50 PM Shivam Rai 
wrote:

> Is there any documentation on core activities and non-core ?How to
> distinct?
>  I guess they are the  activities which comes pre installed with sugar
> package.
> But these are different depending on the mode of installation. Like soas
> have different activities than sugar installed on ubuntu. Is there any
> label in activities
> repositories that help us to distinguish it.
>
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Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC'21 draft proposal for 'Improve and maintain 15 sugar activities'

[Chihurumnaya Ibiam]

Also don't forget to upload your proposal on your GSoC dashboard.

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On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 12:23 AM Chihurumnaya Ibiam 
wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 3:38 PM Sourabha G 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jui,
>> thanks for the suggestions.
>> 1. I'll definitely consider adding more explanation to the selected
>> activities ( I thought it would be more confusive. but if it adds more
>> clarity, I'll definitely add more description).
>> 2. I thought it would be best to discuss with the candidate who's going
>> to work on 'port to python3' to take up those activities so that it will be
>> soon ready to release. In case if this doesn't line up, I'll consider doing
>> it within GSoC deadline if time permits or post GSoC.
>>
>
> You don't know any student who would work on it at this time so it's
> better to include it as it's in the
> scope of the project.
>
> 3. Surely, I'll go through the open PRs and try to complete it unless it's
>> inevitable to make a new PR.
>> 4. The feature addition for imageviewer activity to add editing tools
>> would need OpenCV ( crop and filters).
>>
>
> Using OpenCV <https://github.com/opencv/opencv> is adding an extra
> dependency to the activity and I don't think that's a good idea,
> It increases maintenance duties and it becomes one more thing to worry
> about.
> Looking at the repo it does seem that it might be large and bundling it in
> the activity would increase the
> image size and that's not something we want.
>
> 5. Glad you liked the timestamp feature :)
>> About the students testing the activities, I thought it would be
>> off-topic to mention more in the proposal. Since the pandemic, I felt many
>> of my yoga students weren't coping up with the academics. So I started
>> teaching them math and science in my free time. Allowing them to test the
>> activities has shown noticeable improvement in their interest towards
>> learning. JAMath was the first activity to be tested. I came up with the
>> idea of adding basic game design features after taking their feedback.
>> There are many slight changes that a game might need. We might not realize
>> it until it's tested in the user environment. For example, the 3rd level in
>> JAMath is too fast for an average kid to even attempt. Many couldn't notice
>> the instruction in Recall activity. Apart from this, most loved to play
>> Turtlepond and stick-hero. No one could get the iqacttivity right :P
>>
>
> Thanks for sharing, if you can keep them engaged more with testing and
> working on improvements,
> that'll be great.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jui Pradhan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sourabha,
>>> Thanks for the updated draft proposal. I have few
>>> comments:
>>> - I read the thread where you explained the selected activities and
>>> activity-specific features you would like to add. It would be great if you
>>> could add the explanations from your email in the proposal. For example, in
>>> Recall I found the email explanation more clear than the one added in the
>>> proposal. In addition to that, I feel explanations like the one you gave
>>> for image-viewer activity should definitely be there in your proposal (by
>>> that I mean just by reading the draft proposal, its not clear which image
>>> editing tools you intend to add).
>>> - Most of the activities that involve a port to Gtk+3 also require
>>> porting to python3. (Activities like: Bounce, Compress, labyrinth, etc), if
>>> you feel you can work on port to python3 please feel free to add it to your
>>> proposal
>>> - For the activity Arithmetic, there is an open PR for porting to Gtk+3
>>> and python3, you may continue work on the same PR if you find that
>>> convenient.
>>> - The tools and technologies mentioned OpenCV. Did you find an activity
>>> that uses it? I would love to have a look.
>>> - I really liked your idea of adding a timestamp to messages in the chat
>>> activity!
>>>
>>> Also, I would love to hear about the activities you tested by letting
>>> the students use them. :)
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2021 at 11:54 AM Sourabha G 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, I will work on foodforce2-activity
>>>> <https://github.com/sugarlabs