Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-05-03 Thread Fernando Cabral
Tim Yu wrote: If what one reads on the Web can be believed, a man named Robert Pershing Wadlow (b. 2/22/18 in Alton, IL; d. 7/15/40) was 8' 11.5 (2.73 m) when he died. Thank you Tim. You've saved my day! - fernando -- Fernando Cabral Padrao iX Sistemas Abertos

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-05-03 Thread Fernando Cabral
*CAVEAT EMPTOR: * * * * Long, off-topic and not related to accurate vs. precise.* * Please, hit the delete buttom if you don't want to get bored

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-05-03 Thread Fernando Cabral
Patrick Powers wrote: Message text written by INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I like to see everybody driving on the right side of the road (sorry British and followers). Hmmm, don't forget though that the population of countries who drive on the left much exceeds that of the countries who

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-05-01 Thread diallist
Now, I hate when I see something like 2 yards, 2 feet, 5 inches and (the stroke of mercy) 1/8 -- It takes me several seconds to figure out how tall that person is! Fernando! Do you actually know someone who is 2.57 meters tall? Does he play basketball? : ) By the way: does stroke of mercy

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-05-01 Thread Malcolm Purves
Oh bother, [EMAIL PROTECTED], I forgot that when replying on this list I have to revisit my 'To' field, so David got this instead of the list, silly me , sorry David,, :--- This is a combined comment, off topic but good fun nevertheless :- Fernando wrote: Now, I hate when I see something like

Re: accurate vs. precise/ to 01 May

1999-05-01 Thread Tom Semadeni
Ok, John here is an accurate report to date: On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 08:35:38 -0700 (MST) John Carmichael Tucson tel: 520-696-1709 website: http://www.azstarnet.com/~pappas corresponding out of: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Pappas) asked whether the terms accuracy and precision are interchangeable.

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread A.R. EDEN
Semadeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Phil Pappas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: sundial@rrz.uni-koeln.de Sent: 29 April 1999 20:12 Subject: Re: accurate vs. precise Yo John! Old Timers?! Elderly?.or on old time? or been on the list for a while?or? My distant history tells me this: Precision usually

RE: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Arthur Carlson
Speaking of barleycorns reminds me that one can have a lot of fun with units. My favorite combination has components atmosphere = 101,325 newton/m^2 yard = 0.9144 m barn = 1 x 10^(-28) m^2 Combining these we get the barn yard atmosphere = 9.265158 x

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Dave Bell
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Jim_Cobb wrote: why don't you Anglophones try the metric system? - fernando Perhaps you should consider us bilingual in terms of units. Technically inclined (and many other) Anglophones use both English and SI units with comfort, though we prefer one set for some

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Dave Bell
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Fernando Cabral wrote: Now, I hate when I see something like 2 yards, 2 feet, 5 inches and (the stroke of mercy) 1/8 -- It takes me several seconds to figure out how tall that person is! Or when I see specifications such as: Torque wheel bolts to 50 foot-pounds (6.9449

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Dave Bell
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Fernando Cabral wrote: By the way: does stroke of mercy make sense in English? Yes, but we really never translate it - from the French! Coup de grace Now I am sure it makes sense. But if I were to say coup de grace I would be accused of suffering of francophilia.

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Fernando Cabral
Dear Rod I am glad you've diverted from the accurate vs. precise issue. You know, to me this is so confusing I though I could help myself bringing the terms into Portuguese. You know what? Things only got worse. I was completely uncapable of presenting my own comments about the issue

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Fernando Cabral
Jim_Cobb wrote: why don't you Anglophones try the metric system? - fernando Perhaps you should consider us bilingual in terms of units. Technically inclined (and many other) Anglophones use both English and SI units with comfort, though we prefer one set for some applications and the

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Fernando Cabral
Dave Bell wrote: On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Fernando Cabral wrote: Now, I hate when I see something like 2 yards, 2 feet, 5 inches and (the stroke of mercy) 1/8 -- It takes me several seconds to figure out how tall that person is! Or when I see specifications such as: Torque wheel bolts

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Jim_Cobb
why don't you Anglophones try the metric system? - fernando Perhaps you should consider us bilingual in terms of units. Technically inclined (and many other) Anglophones use both English and SI units with comfort, though we prefer one set for some applications and the other for others. I

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Jim_Cobb
Fernando wrote: Now, I hate when I see something like 2 yards, 2 feet, 5 inches and (the stroke of mercy) 1/8 -- It takes me several seconds to figure out how tall that person is! Now that's a tall specimen (2.57 meters)! By the way: does stroke of mercy make sense in English? -

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Jim_Cobb
Dave Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (I believe tongue in cheek): Indeed! Why, just last night, I was working with furlongs and fifths of seconds... Dave It's interesting that you mention this. Over the last several weeks I have been reading Tolkien's Lord of the Rings to my children. It

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-30 Thread Slawomir K. Grzechnik
I think Mike Shaw stated the matter for good using fromerly cited examples of darts and guns. Strictly speaking accuracy and precision are sort of independent. If your mean (average) shot is on the target then you are accurate even if you never hit the target precisely. Your shots may be off

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread diallist
At 10:44 PM 4/29/99 +0100, you wrote: Fire 10 shots from a gun at a target. If the 10 holes in the target are tightly grouped, but near the outer, you are precise but not accurate If they are loosely grouped evenly around the bull, you are accurate, but not precise. If you can get them tightly

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread Gordon Uber
John, Accurate and precise are relative terms; they are meaningful only in context. I would think that one could have a ring sundial that was precise relative to other ring dials, although not precise relative to large, finely-divided dials. I agree that in general large dials with small

Re: accurate vs precise

1999-04-29 Thread Jim Morrison
I am reminded of a particularly relevant cartoon: An Old Timer is looking over the shoulder of a very young man in what is obviously an engineering drafting room. The caption was: I'm not sure about those last eight decimal places, but the first one is wrong. Best regards, Jim James E.

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread Luke Coletti
Hello John, Normally precision of a measurement refers to the repeatability and accuracy to the absolute closeness to the true value. However, after studying Heisenberg I gave up caring! I remember the distinction (between precision and accuracy) by using the dart analogy, a good

RE: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread mblackwell
snip Is it possible to have a precise sundial that is not accurate? (I think not) snip On the other hand, a heliochronometer would HAVE to be precise and accurate because it is well-made and has small (1 min?) time divisions. Right? How about a misaligned heliochronometer (ie, set for the

accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread Phil Pappas
Hello Old Timers: I've got another knit-picky question for you all to ponder. But you're a rather knit-picky group, so I don't think you'll mind. In proofreading the new fifth edition of my Sundial Owner's Manual, when discussing sundials, I think that I mistakenly used the words, precise and

Re: accurate vs. precise

1999-04-29 Thread Tom Semadeni
Yo John! Old Timers?! Elderly?.or on old time? or been on the list for a while?or? My distant history tells me this: Precision usually means the number of significant figures used to report a measurement. Accuracy usually means how close your reported measurement is to the truth.