Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass
Hi Willy, That’s a great idea, thanks for showing us. Maybe someone will include it in their Sundial Software? Roderick Wall. From: Willy Leenders Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:36 AM To: Sundial sundiallist Dear sundialists, I calculated a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass. It is inaugurated in the vicinity of Brussels (Belgium). The shadow of the sphere falls on the inside of the cylinder and can be seen through the opalescent glass on the outside. There the shadow gives an indication of the time and the date. You can see more information specially translated for you in English on my website on page http://www.wijzerweb.be/humbeek001AENGLISH.html Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.beinline: humbeek001A.jpg--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass
Hi Larry, That's interesting in that you did a Sundial Patent. I’ve often wonder if it is worth it to Patent things as the cost could be high. I hope you don’t mind me asking, did you make any money and did it make you rich? I’ve downloaded your paten into my “Make Sundial” folder. Has the Patent expired? Are we now allowed to build it? Thanks, regards, Roderick Wall. From: Larry Bohlayer Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:39 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de I patented a version of this type of sundial in the early 1980s and made a number of them (of smaller scale) in brass and glass. I coined the name “SunVial” to describe our product. More at: https://www.google.com/patents/US4384408?pg=PA1dq=bohlayerhl=ensa=Xei=iPJbUr_TJKigyAHWpIGwBQved=0CEoQ6AEwAw Larry Larry Bohlayer Celestial Products 608 Coral Bells Ct NW Concord, NC 28027-8034 540-338-4040 Fax 704-973-7799 la...@celestialproducts.com www.celestialproducts.com From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 9:17 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass Hi Roderick, I like Willys new sundial too. It looks beautifully. I included this sundial construction a longer time ago in my software SONNE and discussed different cylinder sundials in Compendium vol 16 nr. 4 (Dec 2009). In my freeware Sonne.exe you can construct the sundial for the outside of a cylinder with fixed orientation and moveable horizontal gnomon (see image below). Now Willy has positioned the Gnomon in the central axis of the cylinder and so the gnomon length is equal the radius and nee not be turned around. The construction stays the same but the scale is positioned on the Northern part of the vertical cylinder instead of South. By the way: Woody Sulllivan made a very similar construction on the outer side of a cone ( http://sundials.org/index.php/component/sundials/onedial/746 ) Helmut Sonderegger www.helson.at Am 14.10.2013 06:16, schrieb rodwall1...@gmail.com: Hi Willy, That’s a great idea, thanks for showing us. Maybe someone will include it in their Sundial Software? Roderick Wall. From: Willy Leenders Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:36 AM To: Sundial sundiallist Dear sundialists, I calculated a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass. It is inaugurated in the vicinity of Brussels (Belgium). The shadow of the sphere falls on the inside of the cylinder and can be seen through the opalescent glass on the outside. There the shadow gives an indication of the time and the date. You can see more information specially translated for you in English on my website on page http://www.wijzerweb.be/humbeek001AENGLISH.html Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass
Hi Helmut, Ok about Willy’s sundial. I need to install SONNE onto my new Laptop compute and see what it can do, thanks. I did have SONNE on my old computer. Willy’s sundial is interesting, maybe make one from a drinking glass and paint the hour lines using hobby glass paint. Regard, Roderick Wall. From: Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:17 AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Hi Roderick, I like Willys new sundial too. It looks beautifully. I included this sundial construction a longer time ago in my software SONNE and discussed different cylinder sundials in Compendium vol 16 nr. 4 (Dec 2009). In my freeware Sonne.exe you can construct the sundial for the outside of a cylinder with fixed orientation and moveable horizontal gnomon (see image below). Now Willy has positioned the Gnomon in the central axis of the cylinder and so the gnomon length is equal the radius and nee not be turned around. The construction stays the same but the scale is positioned on the Northern part of the vertical cylinder instead of South. By the way: Woody Sulllivan made a very similar construction on the outer side of a cone ( http://sundials.org/index.php/component/sundials/onedial/746 ) Helmut Sonderegger www.helson.at Am 14.10.2013 06:16, schrieb rodwall1...@gmail.com: Hi Willy, That’s a great idea, thanks for showing us. Maybe someone will include it in their Sundial Software? Roderick Wall. From: Willy Leenders Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:36 AM To: Sundial sundiallist Dear sundialists, I calculated a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass. It is inaugurated in the vicinity of Brussels (Belgium). The shadow of the sphere falls on the inside of the cylinder and can be seen through the opalescent glass on the outside. There the shadow gives an indication of the time and the date. You can see more information specially translated for you in English on my website on page http://www.wijzerweb.be/humbeek001AENGLISH.html Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: sundial Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12
Hi Art, Does Valentin Hristov have a website to download his programs from? I’m interested in your Laser, where did you get that from, is it costly etc? Roderick Wall. From: Art Krenzel Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:32 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Roderick Valentin Hristov has a great program to make sundials out of upright glass cylinders. I have made several using graph paper inside the glass tube and etched the glass surface using my laser. They all look beautiful and the program is easy to use. He has invented a new program which converted a shepherds dial to a flat plate. I am amazed how simple it is and how well it works. Valentin is a great contact and extremely knowledgeable about his sundial variations. I recommend him very highly. Art Krenzel From: sundial-requ...@uni-koeln.de Subject: sundial Digest, Vol 94, Issue 12 To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 01:22:34 +0200 Send sundial mailing list submissions to sundial@uni-koeln.de To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to sundial-requ...@uni-koeln.de You can reach the person managing the list at sundial-ow...@uni-koeln.de When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of sundial digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass (rodwall1...@gmail.com) 2. RE: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass (John Carmichael) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:10:02 + From: rodwall1...@gmail.com To: Sundial Group sundial@uni-koeln.de, =?utf-8?Q?h.sondereg...@utanet.at?= h.sondereg...@utanet.at Subject: Re: a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass Message-ID: 525c608a.c464420a.1a4f.1...@mx.google.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Helmut, Ok about Willy?s sundial. I need to install SONNE onto my new Laptop compute and see what it can do, thanks. I did have SONNE on my old computer. Willy?s sundial is interesting, maybe make one from a drinking glass and paint the hour lines using hobby glass paint. Regard, Roderick Wall. From: Helmut Sonderegger (Tele2) Sent: ?Tuesday?, ?October? ?15?, ?2013 ?12?:?17? ?AM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Hi Roderick, I like Willys new sundial too. It looks beautifully. I included this sundial construction a longer time ago in my software SONNE and discussed different cylinder sundials in Compendium vol 16 nr. 4 (Dec 2009). In my freeware Sonne.exe you can construct the sundial for the outside of a cylinder with fixed orientation and moveable horizontal gnomon (see image below). Now Willy has positioned the Gnomon in the central axis of the cylinder and so the gnomon length is equal the radius and nee not be turned around. The construction stays the same but the scale is positioned on the Northern part of the vertical cylinder instead of South. By the way: Woody Sulllivan made a very similar construction on the outer side of a cone ( http://sundials.org/index.php/component/sundials/onedial/746 ) Helmut Sonderegger www.helson.at Am 14.10.2013 06:16, schrieb rodwall1...@gmail.com: Hi Willy, That?s a great idea, thanks for showing us. Maybe someone will include it in their Sundial Software? Roderick Wall. From: Willy Leenders Sent: ?Monday?, ?October? ?14?, ?2013 ?5?:?36? ?AM To: Sundial sundiallist Dear sundialists, I calculated a unique sundial on a cylindrical column of opal glass. It is inaugurated in the vicinity of Brussels (Belgium). The shadow of the sphere falls on the inside of the cylinder and can be seen through the opalescent glass on the outside. There the shadow gives an indication of the time and the date. You can see more information specially translated for you in English on my website on page http://www.wijzerweb.be/humbeek001AENGLISH.html Willy Leenders Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) Visit my website about the sundials in the province of Limburg (Flanders) with a section 'worth knowing about sundials' (mostly in Dutch): http://www.wijzerweb.be --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/private/sundial/attachments/20131014/1b1adc0b/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 16:20:07 -0700 From: John Carmichael jlcarmich...@comcast.net To: 'Willy Leenders' willy.leend...@telenet.be Cc: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: RE: a unique sundial on a
Re: DIALIST
Dialist’s Companion with DOSbox also works on Windows 8.1. Where would we be without Dialist’s Companion, it is a great program. Roderick Wall. From: Brian Albinson Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 4:28 AM To: Sundial Group Hi all; If anyone is nostalgic for DOS, and has a copy of the Dialist's Companion ; and would like to run it on Windows 7; I have found DOSbox (free) to work well. DOSBox is also advertised to be compatible with Linux, Mac OS X and OS/2. Brian Albinson --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DIALIST
Dialist’s Companion from NASS: http://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htmhttp://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htm Roderick. From: Brad Lufkin Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 6:29 AM To: Rod Wall Roderick: where can I get the Dialist's Companion? Regards, Brad On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: Dialist’s Companion with DOSbox also works on Windows 8.1. Where would we be without Dialist’s Companion, it is a great program. Roderick Wall. From: Brian Albinson Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 4:28 AM To: Sundial Group Hi all; If anyone is nostalgic for DOS, and has a copy of the Dialist's Companion ; and would like to run it on Windows 7; I have found DOSbox (free) to work well. DOSBox is also advertised to be compatible with Linux, Mac OS X and OS/2. Brian Albinson --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DIALIST
If you want to run Dialist’s Companion using DOSbox. (1) Place a shortcut to DOSbox on the desktop. (2) I have Dialist’s Companion in a folder called “dc” on drive c:. (3) Place the following batch file on the desktop next to the DOSbox shortcut. To run Dialist’s Companion just drag the Dialist.bat file and drop it on the DOSbox shortcut. Dialist.bat--- mount x C:\dc x: dialist.exe - Someone on this group did the original version on how to use DOSbox but I can’t remember who? Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Rod Wall Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 7:28 AM To: Brad Lufkin, Sundial Group Dialist’s Companion from NASS: http://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htm Roderick. From: Brad Lufkin Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 6:29 AM To: Rod Wall Roderick: where can I get the Dialist's Companion? Regards, Brad On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: Dialist’s Companion with DOSbox also works on Windows 8.1. Where would we be without Dialist’s Companion, it is a great program. Roderick Wall. From: Brian Albinson Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 4:28 AM To: Sundial Group Hi all; If anyone is nostalgic for DOS, and has a copy of the Dialist's Companion ; and would like to run it on Windows 7; I have found DOSbox (free) to work well. DOSBox is also advertised to be compatible with Linux, Mac OS X and OS/2. Brian Albinson --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: DIALIST
I have even used Dialist’s Companion to point a satellite disc the correct azimuth. Wait until the sun is at the required azimuth and then move the disc until the LNA horn shadow is in the middle of the disc. And to determine where a external North wall is facing. Roderick Wall Australia. From: Brian Albinson Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 9:32 AM To: Brad Lufkin, Rod Wall Cc: Sundial Group Hi Folk I don't think DIALIST is available on NASS.Jim Tallman sent me a copy which I pass on if you need it. The file is zipped and renamed because .exe files cannot be sent email. For folk not familiar with the program; besides the standard Sun parameters it provides Julian time every second together with Temporal, Babylonian,Italian,Sidereal and GMT and sundial motto every day. One of Fred Sawyer's great contributions to gnomonology. Brian Albinson On 12/26/2013 1:55 PM, Brad Lufkin wrote: Something weird is going on. If I click on the link http://www.shadow.net/~bobt/dcomp/dcomp.htm on the page http://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htm I get a page having to do with vaporizers! http://vapeforest.com/reviews/ Anyone know (or can figure out) what's going on? Brad On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 3:28 PM, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: Dialist’s Companion from NASS: http://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htmhttp://www.sundials.co.uk/nasscomp.htm Roderick. From: Brad Lufkin Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 6:29 AM To: Rod Wall Roderick: where can I get the Dialist's Companion? Regards, Brad On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 12:37 PM, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: Dialist’s Companion with DOSbox also works on Windows 8.1. Where would we be without Dialist’s Companion, it is a great program. Roderick Wall. From: Brian Albinson Sent: Friday, 27 December, 2013 4:28 AM To: Sundial Group Hi all; If anyone is nostalgic for DOS, and has a copy of the Dialist's Companion ; and would like to run it on Windows 7; I have found DOSbox (free) to work well. DOSBox is also advertised to be compatible with Linux, Mac OS X and OS/2. Brian Albinson --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: A world map of the discrepancy between civil and solar time.
Hi Steve, This map is interesting as it really says something. Have a look at Greenland, China and Russia. Greenland covers 5 time zones with a square red section in East Greenland being completely different. This section looks like it maybe the same time zone as Iceland, I wonder why, could it be trade? China only has one time zone and it covers 5 time zones. West China time is so red it is nearly black . And Russia only has two places where the sun would be directly above you at 12 Noon, yet it covers 11 time zones. I also remember that some Island countries to the East of Australia changing the Date line so that they are trading in the same day as Australia. Because most of their trade was to the West of them. It maybe the reason for the horizontal “T” shape in the Date line. A very interesting map. Thanks, Roderick Wall. From: Steve Lelievre Sent: Saturday, 8 March, 2014 8:03 AM To: Sundial Group Hello everyone, Some fellow has coloured a world map to show the difference between the time zones and local solar time worldwide. See http://poisson.phc.unipi.it/~maggiolo/index.php/2014/01/how-much-is-time-wrong-around-the-world/ Click the small map on the this blog to see the map in full screen. It look like he's done it using Standard Time rather than Daylight Saving. I live in New Brunswick, Canada. We're slightly pink. Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: A world map of the discrepancy between civil and solar time.
And in the most Western part of China. China Standard time (CST) would be 3 hours different than their sundial time. I wonder if there are photos showing this? http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/asia/cst.html Roderick. From: Rod Wall Sent: Sunday, 9 March, 2014 9:32 AM To: Sundial Group Hi Steve, This map is interesting as it really says something. Have a look at Greenland, China and Russia. Greenland covers 5 time zones with a square red section in East Greenland being completely different. This section looks like it maybe the same time zone as Iceland, I wonder why, could it be trade? China only has one time zone and it covers 5 time zones. West China time is so red it is nearly black . And Russia only has two places where the sun would be directly above you at 12 Noon, yet it covers 11 time zones. I also remember that some Island countries to the East of Australia changing the Date line so that they are trading in the same day as Australia. Because most of their trade was to the West of them. It maybe the reason for the horizontal “T” shape in the Date line. A very interesting map. Thanks, Roderick Wall. From: Steve Lelievre Sent: Saturday, 8 March, 2014 8:03 AM To: Sundial Group Hello everyone, Some fellow has coloured a world map to show the difference between the time zones and local solar time worldwide. See http://poisson.phc.unipi.it/~maggiolo/index.php/2014/01/how-much-is-time-wrong-around-the-world/ Click the small map on the this blog to see the map in full screen. It look like he's done it using Standard Time rather than Daylight Saving. I live in New Brunswick, Canada. We're slightly pink. Steve --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then download your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. From: fwsaw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM To: araignee Cc: Sundial Group See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: British Renaissance and sundials
Hi Thierry, I didn’t go to BBC iplayer, I went straight to Youtube. I have downloaded a few good BBC Science shows and I remembered this. Good to remember that BBC shows maybe on Youtube. I Note that when I viewed the video there was 76 viewers. There are now 96 in the last hour. I wonder how many are from our group? It was only put on Youtube on the 21 March. Regards, Roderick Wall. From: Thierry van Steenberghe Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 9:18 AM To: Rod Wall Dear Roderick, thanks a lot for this, I watched the video with utmost pleasure, especially after the frustration of seeing the BBC iplayer video being forbidden from outside UK... I hope the second part of this excellent broadcast will also be available on YouTube! Kindest regards, Thierry ___ Thierry van Steenberghe Brussels ___ On 22/03/2014 21:44, rodwall1...@gmail.com wrote: It is on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGqgswZ3FJk A good video converter that converts Youtube videos which you can then download your own personal copy: http://world.onlinevideoconverter.com/free-video-converter.aspx# Roderick Wall. From: fwsaw...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, 23 March, 2014 6:26 AM To: araignee Cc: Sundial Group See https://vpnreviewer.com/bestukvpn-com-review for info on bestukvpn which allows free connection to the BBC iplayer from US accounts. Fred Sawyer On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, araignee araig...@etesseract.com wrote: Hello, Thanks for the link. But in the U.S. we get this message: Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only, but all BBC iPlayer Radio programmes are available to you. The mysteries of big business... Regards, David David Coffeen, Ph.D. TESSERACT Box 151 Hastings-on-Hudson, NY 10706 1-914-478-2594 m...@etesseract.com www.etesseract.com On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:35 AM, Gabriele Kuhn wrote: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03yzjy6/A_Very_British_Renaissance_The_Renaissance_Arrives/ gabriele.k...@btinternet.com On 21 Mar 2014, at 22:06, Douglas Bateman wrote: I have just seen an excellent BBC programme called A Very British Renaissance. The presenter, Dr James Fox, included the painting by Holbein - The Ambassadors, and gave full credit to Nicholas Kratzner with the presenter handling Kratzner's personal polyhedral dial. He also conducted an interview with one of our top dial makers, Joanna Migdal, in her studio. I gather not all will be able to see the BBC iPlayer, but worth a try. Perhaps some clever member could extract the relevant section of the programme. Best wishes, Doug --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Veteran's Memorial Aperture Dial - Anthem Arizona
Very interesting. Would I be correct in saying that some of the photos were not taken on the 11th hour on the 11th month? By looking at the shadows on the edge of the projected image, it looks as if the date is after the 11th Nov. And would it have another perfect image when the sun latitude changes in the other direction in another month? Roderick Wall. From: Tony Moss Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 10:29 AM To: jlcarmich...@comcast.net, sundial@uni-koeln.de GLORIOUS! What a beautiful concept. Tony Moss. -Original Message- From: John Carmichael jlcarmich...@comcast.net To: Sundial List sundial@uni-koeln.de Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 21:01 Subject: FW: Veteran's Memorial Aperture Dial - Anthem Arizona Hello All: I just became aware of this beautiful monumental aperture dial in Anthem Arizona. I know nothing about the designer. –but is worth seeing. Note the elliptical apertures in the vertical stones. Subject: Veteran's Memorial - Anthem http://twistedsifter.com/2014/11/anthem-arizona-veterans-memorial/ --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: sundial Digest, Vol 111, Issue 6
Hi Frank, A comment: As Australia is in the southern hemisphere the satellite disc all face North not South. I have used the position of the sun to set the Azimuth of the satellite disc. 1st determine the time the sun has the same Azimuth. Then at that time adjust the disc Azimuth so that the shadow of the horn is in the middle of the disc. To finish, the altitude of the disc needs to be set. For correct adjustment you 1st need to make sure the arm holding the horn is at 90 deg to the disc. Roderick Wall. Frank Evans frankev...@zooplankton.co.uk wrote: AsImayhavementionedoncebefore,justlookatthesatellitedishesonthehouses.Theyareaimednotfarfromsouth.Youcangetthetimethatway,too.MaybeeventheAustralianAboriginalpeopledothatnowadays.Bytheway,ataBSSmeetingamemberonceshoweda(working)satellitedishtowhichhehadaddedasundial.Anevenbetterwayoftellingthetime!Frank55N1WOn08/03/201518:19,ArtKrenzelwrote:WhenIwasstationedinEnglandduringtheearly1970's,IhadaproblemorientingmyselfwhenIfirstgotoutofthesubway.SoIdevelopedamethodwherebyIaimedthehourhandofmywatchatthesunanddividedthearcbetweenthehourhandand12o'clockintotwoequalparts.Ithendrewanimaginarylinefromthecenterofthewatchtothecenterofthatarcandthatline,whenextended,pointedtotheSouth.ItwascrudebutquickandIdidnotneedanyotheritemstomakeitwork.Ofcourse,accesstothesunwasabitofaprobleminEnglandattimes.Iofferthisinformationasamoderndaycorollarytotheaboriginalsundialonhishand.ArtKrenzelToday'sTopics:1.Re:TellingtimeinoutbackQueenslandintheearly20thcentury(rodwall1234)2.Re:TellingtimeinoutbackQueenslandintheearly20thcentury(JohnPickard)3.RE:TellingtimeinoutbackQueenslandintheearly20thcentury(Schechner,Sara)--Message:1Date:Sun,08Mar201509:56:10+1100From:rodwall1234rodwall1234@gmail.comTo:johnpickardjohn.pick...@bigpond.com,sundial@uni-koeln.deSubject:Re:TellingtimeinoutbackQueenslandintheearly20thcenturyMessage-ID:sdgpaeb27r5vrihvof195ugj.1425768970727@email.android.comContent-Type:text/plain;charset=utf-8HiJohn,Thanksthatisinteresting.IhavealwaysthoughabouthowourAustralianAboriginalsdeterminedtime.Doyouhaveanyinformationonthat?Regards,RoderickWall.---https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Telling time in outback Queensland in the early 20th century
Hi John, Thanks that is interesting. I have always though about how our Australian Aboriginals determined time. Do you have any information on that? Regards, Roderick Wall. John Pickard john.pick...@bigpond.com wrote: Good afternoon, List members may be interested in this account of how some boundary-riders in Queensland kept time in the early 1900s: Many boundary-riders do not even possess a watch, their only timekeepers being the sun and the stars. Some judge by the shadows. I saw one who had pegs stuck in the ground, at a radius of 10ft, all round a tree. There were ten of them standing exactly one hour apart, so that the shade, lying across the first at 8 a.m., would be on the last at 5 p.m. A swagman with a watch had camped with him one Sunday, and between then they had constructed this crude sun-dial. Once when passing a camp, I asked the boundary-ride the time, and was amused at the manner in which he obtained it. Taking a small twig, he broke it into two pieces about 3in long, and, holding his left hand palm upwards, he stood one piece between the second and third fingers, and the other between the third and fourth. Then, facing due north, he held his hand straight out before him and I noticed that the shadows of the twigs were just a trifle east of a direct north and south line 'Bout, 'alf-parst twelve, he said. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71523046 A boundary rider was a station employee who lived far from the homestead, and whose job it was to ride along fences to check for breaks in the wire, etc. Of course, telling the time with the 10-foot radius circle using the shadow of a tree would be as rough as guts (in the Australian vernacular), but it probably made little difference to the boundary rider. However, at least some early outback Australians understood the geometry of sundials. See my description of a dial made out of galvanised iron: Pickard, J. (1998). A 19th century vernacular horizontal sundial from outback Australia. British Sundial Society Bulletin 98(1): 26-29. Personally, I prefer using CIA-time via my GPSs. Not as much fun, but way more accurate. Cheers, John John Pickard john.pick...@bigpond.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
RE: Reflecting Dials
Hi Carlo, The reflection dial is lovely. Question: What is the expected life span for the projection screen when placed outside in the rain, snow and sun. Regards, Roderick Wall. Dave Bell db...@thebells.net wrote: Carlo, that is a beautiful dial and seriously interesting concept for a reflecting design! The manufacturing process is very clever, with the laser and NC machining of the spherical dial face. Perfect for automating the localization and any customization required. Is the concave mirror stainless steel? It appears as if your process measures the focal length after polishing. Can you customize your design for outside of Europe? I'd be tempted to enquire about one for California, but I suspect the cost would be outside my budget. :{) Dave -Original Message- From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Helios Sonnenuhren (Carlo Heller) Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 11:18 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Reflecting Dials Dear Claude, if you are looking for reflecting dials other then ceiling dials this dial may be interesting for you: http://www.helios-sundials.com/Helios-Sundial-Gallery.html Kind regards Carlo --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Reflecting Dials
Hi Carlo, Thanks for your reply. Regards, Roderick Wall. Helios Sonnenuhren (Carlo Heller) carlohel...@helios-sonnenuhren.de wrote: Hi Roderick, thank you. The globe screen is made of acrylic glass (PMMA). This is the best plastic material concerning the weathering-resistance. My Subsolaris is 13 years old now and is still good-looking and precise. Kind regards Carlo Heller http://www.helios-sonnenuhren.de Am 05.04.2015 um 04:16 schrieb rodwall1234: Hi Carlo, The reflection dial is lovely. Question: What is the expected life span for the projection screen when placed outside in the rain, snow and sun. Regards, Roderick Wall. Dave Bell db...@thebells.net wrote: Carlo, that is a beautiful dial and seriously interesting concept for a reflecting design! The manufacturing process is very clever, with the laser and NC machining of the spherical dial face. Perfect for automating the localization and any customization required. Is the concave mirror stainless steel? It appears as if your process measures the focal length after polishing. Can you customize your design for outside of Europe? I'd be tempted to enquire about one for California, but I suspect the cost would be outside my budget. :{) Dave -Original Message- From: sundial [mailto:sundial-boun...@uni-koeln.de] On Behalf Of Helios Sonnenuhren (Carlo Heller) Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 11:18 PM To: sundial@uni-koeln.de Subject: Re: Reflecting Dials Dear Claude, if you are looking for reflecting dials other then ceiling dials this dial may be interesting for you: http://www.helios-sundials.com/Helios-Sundial-Gallery.html Kind regards Carlo --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Sundial for the visually impaired
Hi Dan, If you do a Google search using sundial for the blind and you will find a number of them. Roderick Wall. On Jun 10, 2015 6:35 PM, Dan Uza cerculdest...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I was wondering: has anyone designed a sundial for the blind? Can there be one? How do you make people feel the shadow? Dan Uza--- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Happy winter solstice!
Hi John, Yes and it is cold and cloudy here in Melbourne Victoria. Looking forward to summer. Roderick. On Jun 21, 2015 9:54 AM, John Pickard john.pick...@bigpond.com wrote: Happy winter solstice to everyone! Now the days get longer, the weather gets warmer, and summer is one the way! (Except for all those stranded in the Northern Hemisphere, where you only have winter to look forward to.) Cheers, John John Pickard john.pick...@bigpond.com (in a rather chilly Sydney, Australia) --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Southern Hemisphere
Hi Phil again, The sundial normally needs to be designed for your latitude. That is the Gnomon angle to the face plate is the same as your latitude. But if it is designed for some other latitude. It will still work OK. So long as you make the shadow forming edge of the Gnomon parallel to the axis of the earth. And not make the face plate horizontal. Another point is that the numbers go around the face clockwise in the Northern hemisphere. While in the southern hemisphere they are anticlockwise. You may like to check your sundial. Because if it was imported into Australia, it may have been designed for the northern hemisphere. Regards, Roderick Wall. On Nov 16, 2015 9:37 AM, Phil Dormanwrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I joined this list because I have a specific question which I can’t find a > definitive answer to. > > > > I want to install a sundial at Perth WA Australia which is pretty close to > 32deg South latitude. > > From what I can determine that means the Gnomon should be 32deg above > horizontal. > > Or is that just for the Northern Hemisphere ?? > > > > As I move North in Australia the Latitude number gets Smaller > > Eg Latitude of Brisbane QLD (further North) is 27.46deg > > So presumably the Latitude at the Equator would be Zero ! > > Which would mean a sundial Gnomon at the Equator would be Horizontal ie Flat > on the Ground > > Which of course would not work. > > And at the South Pole it would be Vertical 90deg from Horizontal and also > would not work since there would be no ground for the shadow to fall on. > > > > So. Am I correct to put it at 32deg from Horizontal for Perth WA or not ? > > > > Phil Dorman /:~)> > > Machinery Appreciation & Transport Engineering Society > 946 Wattagan Crk Rd > Watagan NSW 2325 > > 0419 501285 > > > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Southern Hemisphere
Hi Phil, The shadow forming edge of the Gnomon must be parallel the the axis of the earth. To do that the shadow forming edge of the Gnomon is set to be the same as your latitude. The only difference in the southern hemisphere is the the tip of the Gnomon is facing South. While in the Northern hemisphere it faces to the North. Doing this keeps the shadow forming edge of the Gnomon parallel to the axis of the earth, whatever the location. Roderick Wall, Melbourne Australia. On Nov 16, 2015 9:37 AM, Phil Dormanwrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I joined this list because I have a specific question which I can’t find a > definitive answer to. > > > > I want to install a sundial at Perth WA Australia which is pretty close to > 32deg South latitude. > > From what I can determine that means the Gnomon should be 32deg above > horizontal. > > Or is that just for the Northern Hemisphere ?? > > > > As I move North in Australia the Latitude number gets Smaller > > Eg Latitude of Brisbane QLD (further North) is 27.46deg > > So presumably the Latitude at the Equator would be Zero ! > > Which would mean a sundial Gnomon at the Equator would be Horizontal ie Flat > on the Ground > > Which of course would not work. > > And at the South Pole it would be Vertical 90deg from Horizontal and also > would not work since there would be no ground for the shadow to fall on. > > > > So. Am I correct to put it at 32deg from Horizontal for Perth WA or not ? > > > > Phil Dorman /:~)> > > Machinery Appreciation & Transport Engineering Society > 946 Wattagan Crk Rd > Watagan NSW 2325 > > 0419 501285 > > > > --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Gnomon Gap Puzzle
Hi Frank, Thanks for the Gnomon Gap Puzzle. Learnt a lot from it. That is what makes sundials interesting. Always something new to learn. Great for the northern hemisphere. Does the book include a printout for the southern hemisphere? When I printed the dial onto A4 paper. It did not print correctly. It was close to being a square image. Would a pdf version be better. Thanks, Roderick Wall. Original message From: Frank King Date: 3/1/19 11:48 pm (GMT+10:00) To: Sundial List Subject: Re: Gnomon Gap Puzzle Dear All, I have a simple rule with my puzzles: wait for a reply from Geoff Thurston and then reveal all. The time has come! In the recent spate of messages, both Bill Gottesman and Steve Lelievre were very close. Bill is the only person to suggest an azimuthal dial with vertical styles (which describes my design) but Steve's drawing (despite the polar styles) is remarkably close to my design too. The 'unusual space' is "The End-Flap of a Book" - not easy to guess! By arranging for the top and bottom edges of the front cover to serve as vertical gnomons, you can mark out an azimuthal dial on the end-flap. This way the user doesn't need to supply a gnomon, nor is there any need for any kind of pop-out gnomon. The sundial is shown in operation outdoors in the real sun at: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/fhk1/Sundials/GnomonGapDial.jpg This shows what the design looks like. There are many forms of azimuthal dial but, as one who enjoys astrolabes, I like stereographic projections. [OK, I do realise that my design uses the zenith as the centre of the projection and not the NCP!] In terms of 'looking good', this design hardly competes with the Nuremburg or Harvard dials or the dials in the stunning images that Sara has just sent us. We can all look forward to the Adler catalogue. Sadly, those dials look a bit expensive. The link above shows the upmarket version of my design and this costs 15 GBP but you do get a book bundled in at no extra charge! There are lots of pretty pictures of sundials inside. What about implementing the design for less than a dime? Well, a dime is about what it costs me to print out a sheet of paper, and all you have to do is to print out the following: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/fhk1/Sundials/DoubleGapDial.jpg This is intended for A4-paper. You may have to trim the edges if you use LETTER size. This shows what is hidden on the inside back cover of the book. That is where the early morning and late evening summer-time hours are found. All you have to do is to fold along the black straight line (a valley fold not a ridge fold), place the S-part flat on a horizontal table, and point the S to SOUTH [some users find this a bit surprising!]. You must arrange for the larger part to be perpendicular to the S-part. In summer, in the early morning and late afternoon, you have to place the larger part flat on the table; the edges of the S-part then serve as gnomons. This really is a working diptych sundial and they don't come any cheaper! Sadly it is designed for my latitude +52d 12m but anyone who has read this far is likely to be well equipped to adapt the design for another latitude. Adventurous readers can add the appropriate wiggles to the hour lines to deal with longitude offset and EoT. Maybe it would be best to design two such dials (one on each side of the paper), with December to June hour lines on one side and June to December hour lines on the other. In the unlikely event that you might want the up-market version (with book attached) please contact: Hallam Kindersley Very best wishes Frank --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: The Great Melbourne Telescope (slightly peripheral to the List)
Hi John, Thanks for the information on the GMT. As we live not far from it we will take a trip to see it. Will take some photos. Thanks, Roderick Wall. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: john.pick...@bigpond.com Date: 14/9/18 9:52 am (GMT+10:00) To: Sundial List Subject: The Great Melbourne Telescope (slightly peripheral to the List) Good morning, I received this news piece from another group I’m on, and thought it might interest List members. *** The Great Melbourne Telescope The Great Melbourne Telescope (GMT) is being restored after sitting ingloriously out in the weather in Canberra for several years. The Great Melbourne Telescope was built in Dublin in 1868 and erected at Melbourne Observatory in 1869. At the time it was the second largest telescope in the world and the largest in the southern hemisphere. When Melbourne Observatory closed in 1944, the telescope was sold to the Commonwealth Observatory at Mount Stromlo, Canberra. At Mount Stromlo the telescope was given a new 50-inch glass mirror and became an integral part of Mt Stromlo’s work from 1961 into the 1970s. In the 1990s the telescope was rebuilt with two large-scale digital cameras for the search for evidence of dark matter. Then in January 2003 a bushfire swept across Mt Stromlo, its firestorm destroying the majority of the telescopes and buildings. Only the large iron castings from the GMT, bent metal and broken glass remained. Unloved and broken it sat in the extreme cold of Canberra’s weather for at least four years until members of the Astronomical Society of Victoria (ASV) embarked on a mission to rescue it in 2008. Lacking plans or drawings and missing at least 180 parts, a team of ASV volunteers has been painstakingly dismantling it in a large restoration area in Melbourne. Every available working part has been identified, numbered, restored or rebuilt. The GMT was built with a speculum mirror lens and is the last of the great mirrored telescopes. An unforgettable moment for the restoration team came in 2010 when a staff member found a box in the museum’s store and called for expert help to confirm the contents. The box contained the original flotation system for the telescope’s one-ton white bronze mirror. It was a joyous day for the GMT reconstruction team who had long wondered what had happened to this item of 19th century engineering which provides a balanced bed of 48 steel balls to support the back surface of the mirror evenly, keeping distortion of the mirror surface to less than a 1/10,000th millimetre. The dollar value of the ASV work is incalculable, unlike the restoration costs. Funding for the project is an ongoing challenge. The replacement mirror alone, is likely to be in excess of $200,000. Many parts of the GMT can be repaired or remade in the restoration area by the combined efforts of Museum Victoria staff and the ASV volunteers. When larger equipment is required, it is manufactured by the staff at Scienceworks. A 2-metre high photograph of the telescope from 1885 is a key reference for the group as they establish which parts are original and which were replaced at Mt Stromlo Observatory. The ASV team hope to have the GMT back home at Observatory House in 2019 to coincide with the 150th anniversary of its arrival in Melbourne. Everyone interested in following the progress of the GMT restoration or wanting to donate to this great cause can do so through www.greatmelbournetelescope.org.au Written from information at www.greatmelbournetelescope.org.au and an article written by Liz Clarkson (also on the GMT website). * Cheers, John John Pickard john.pick...@bigpond.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial
Re: Orologi Solari n. 18
Hi Gina,What a lovely magazine. Subjects all sound very intresting. But only if I could read it in English as that is all I know.Regards,Roderick Wall. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Original message From: Gian Casalegno Date: 8/5/19 3:56 am (GMT+10:00) To: sundial Subject: Orologi Solari n. 18 Dear friends,a new issue of the Italian magazine Orologi Solari is available for download from the usual site http://www.orologisolari.eu/.Here is the list of articles together with a short abstract:1. "A sundial made inside a cone" by Aironi JohnWe describe a sundial drawn inside a hollow cone, with a slit and a gnomonic hole on a generatrix. Sunlight penetrating inside the cone through a slit projects on the inner surface of the cone a light strip indicating the time. The formulas for tracing hour lines and calendar lines are shown.2. "Ancient hour circles on the sphere are not maximum circles. Clavio's demonstration with AutocadLT." by Albéri Auber PaoloCristoforo Clavio, after a long discussion with his colleagues, finally offered a demonstration that the maximum circle of ancient time relative to two antisymmetric declination circles is different for each pair of chosen declination circles, that is to say that the hour lines relative to the ancient hour are not maximum circles. Here we propose a simplified demonstration with images taken from AutocadLT geometric constructions.3. "Small composite sundials" by Anselmi RiccardoThe author presents a model of a gnomonic hole dial made with an ice cream container. In particular two specimens are shown and described declining respectively to the south and to the west.4. "The millstone of time" by Baggio FrancescoThis article describes a horizontal mobile gnomon sundial already manufactured and registered in Sundial Atlas with the code IT013689. Project steps are explained and possible variants are proposed.5. "An app for dialists… aspirant clockmakers" by Casalegno GianpieroThe author describes an Android app that simulates some famous tower clocks. The main features are described trying to underline the most interesting aspects for a gnomonist.6. "Definition of the orientation of a flat wall" by Caviglia FrancescoThe definitions used by gnomonists for the parameters that specify the orientation of a flat wall (gnomonic declination and inclination or slope) are here discussed. Unambiguous and suitable operational definitions are provided and some proposals are advanced.7. "A reflection behind the other: the double-mirror" by Ferro Milone FrancescoDouble-reflection geographic sundials are realized by using double-mirrors. The project is carried out with the help of a dynamic software (Geogebra), a geographical one (GMT) and a gnomonic one (Orologi Solari by Gianpiero Casalegno). Three computing examples and a project image terminate the article.8. "And before Foster ?" by Gunella AlessandroThe author wants to remind the reader that the use of "rulers" in the construction of sundials, a method generally attributed to Samuel Foster, was actually already proposed in the previous century. In particular an instrument is shown as already described by Clavius and probably of Germanic origin.9. "The analemma and the Cathedral of Majorca" by Pol i Llompart Josep Lluís, Ruiz-Aguilera DanielThe authors describe the cathedral of Majorca and explain how they made the photos of the solar analmma above the "cathedral of light".10. "A Roman portable watch" by Quadri UlisseThe author describes the use and the principle of operation of a portable solar clock from the Roman era, kept at the Museum of the History of Science in Oxford and of which he made a copy in brass and steel.A digital bonus can also be downloaded for additional reference material.Hope you will enjoy the reading, although in Italian only.Ciao.Gian Casalegno Mail priva di virus. www.avast.com --- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial