Successful formula for MSN file transfers with Live Messenger users?
I've been a Pidgin user for several years and I am pretty sure I used to be able to successfully carry out file transfers in both directions with MSN Messenger/Live Messenger users. However, at some point file transfers over the MSN protocol seem to have stopped working. Currently when either side (Pidgin at my end, Windows Live Messenger at the other end) tries to initiate a file transfer, nothing is seen at the other end. It looks like the file transfer notification just isn't getting through. Does anyone have file transfers working over MSN in either direction? If so, can you let me know your configuration please? I've just finished a testing session and nothing I tried made any difference. Brief details: I'm running Pidgin 2.10.4 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64 behind a NAT router. Windows firewall is configured to allow unlimited inward and outward access for Pidgin. I tested with UPnP both enabled and disabled on the router, I tested with the various options for MSN accounts in Pidgin (e.g. 'Use HTTP Method', 'Allow direct connections', etc.) both enabled and disabled, and set my correct external IP in Pidgin's Network settings. Nothing made any difference to MSN file transfers. Is it just me? Or am I missing something? Thanks to anyone who has any ideas. -- Mark Rousell PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp Key ID: C9C5C162 ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: http://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Remove link
On 19/05/2014 17:11, Stacy Johnson wrote: Okay, thank you for the help. Stacy On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Ethan Blanton e...@pidgin.im mailto:e...@pidgin.im wrote: Stacy Johnson spake unto us the following wisdom: Is it possible to have the below links removed so that when my email address is put into search engines, it does not come up? No. We do not control marc.info http://marc.info, you would have to contact them. In general, you are not going to have much success achieving this, though. These mailing lists (and indeed most public mailing lists) are archived on dozens of public web sites. Ethan However, bearing in mind the European Court of Justice's recent ruling against Google on the 'right to be forgotten' then you may have more luck sending a demand to Google to be excluded forever from their database! Link: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27388289 I'm not saying that the judgement was a sensible one (in fact I think it's foolish and misses the legitimate point of the 'right to be forgotten') but it could nevertheless be useful if you want to be forgotten in this context. -- Mark Rousell PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp Key ID: C9C5C162 ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Getting my workplace connected
On 03/06/2014 17:06, Allison Clancy wrote: I would like to get my small company using Pidgin but it is not working. I do not care if we use our gmail or davron.net accounts but either way when I enable it says under my e-mail it is not authorized. What should I do to fix this? Another possible option is to run your own XMPP server with your own accounts (which could be @davron.net if you wanted). You can make this server accessible for remote/home/road-based users as well as office-based users, if you wish. I'd recommend the Openfire server. It's not difficult to set up and takes little ongoing management, in my experience. See http://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/index.jsp. It works well with Pidgin. (Note, I have no connection with Openfire or its developers; I am simply a user of the software). -- Mark Rousell PGP public key: http://www.signal100.com/markr/pgp Key ID: C9C5C162 ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Pidgin Mobile
On 13/09/2016 18:54, Zeke wrote: > Is there a mobile (specifically Android) version of Pidgin? If not, > what app do ya'll use on your phones? I use Xabber on Android, although it's XMPP only. It works with OTR if you want that but, as I recall, does not allow you to set a proxy. > Chat apps on mobile are starting to feel like Windows Circa 2004 with > the billion apps out there and I'd love to utilize the unifying power > or Pidgin to combine them all into one interface (if that's even > possible). I think the problem is that chat is once again a potential revenue and advertising stream and the real key to utilising this is to keep control of the protocol and keep others out. This means that it gets harder and harder for protocol-neutral third party chat programs like Pidgin to 'compete'. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: It's 2016, why are we still using mailing lists?
On 09/10/2016 01:16, pid...@alexoren.com wrote: > No, you do not. The forum software can be configured to send email > notifications for responses to the threads you are following, as well > as for new posts in the sub-forums that you are interested in, > including the full text of the message. So in effect you can treat > them as a mailing list but with finer control, with the only > "inconvenience" of having to click a link when you want to reply. Unfortunately most forum software does not allow replies to be sent by email. This means, as others have pointed out, that one of the key problems with forums is that they require users to actually visit them to actually participate (rather than merely consume other people's discussions by email). I am a member of a great many mailing lists but only a few forums. The dynamics of community connection differ between mail lists and forums due to the practical technical differences. I'd personally be in favour of a web forum if, and only if, it allowed two way email communications into discussions hosted within it, such that mail list functionality was integrated with it. This is certainly technically possible. Does any free or very easily affordable forum software provide this feature (i.e. two way integration with something like Mailman)? -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: It's 2016, why are we still using mailing lists?
On 08/10/2016 23:35, David Woolley wrote: > On 08/10/16 22:49, Alex Oren wrote: >> Are there any compelling reasons not to use an internet forum? >> >> Their many advantages over mailing lists include: >> - Easier searching for existing solutions. >> - Fine-grained control over email notifications. >> - The ability to display prominent explanation of what support can be >> expected. > > This subject produces very polarised response whenever it comes up on > other mailing lists, but from my point of view: > > - I can afford to be on a lot more mailing lists that forums (with > forums you have to go and visit each one to see if there are updates); > - mailing lists provide a consistent user interface; > - although possibly not an issue with Pidgin, forums tend to result in > fragmentation, as people tend to belong to just one forum, and forums > are often advertising funded, so their operators tend to have an > incentive to get people to use their forum, rather than any other > forum covering the subject, exacerbating that fragmentation; > - forums don't allow you to maintain an offline archive that you can > search and search tools for them are often not very effective; > - forums cannot be read offline > > Also if you are going to assume that there is one direction of > progress, shouldn't be you calling for Web RTC speech connections on > the grounds that forums are noughties technology (difficult without a > paid for contact centre, of course), but it does make the point that > support channels need to match those providing the support. > > In my view, a lot of, so called, progress, is really either fashion or > driven by commercial considerations (e.g., as noted above, forums > allow advertising funding, and from the point of view of forum > hosters, are often seen purely as means of delivering advertising). Well said. Mail lists work. They aren't broken and don't need fixing. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: It's 2016, why are we still using mailing lists?
On 13/10/2016 02:24, Dave Warren wrote: > More importantly, nearly every case I've seen where an active community > of technically inclined helpers assist novice users moves from a mailing > list to a forum, many/most of the helpers don't go with it, leaving the > forums a barren wasteland of users begging for help and receiving > nothing, while the technical users often follow dozens of lists and > can't be bothered with terrible, slow and different forum interfaces. This. Community fragmentation is always a risk when changing the underlying technical infrastructure for the community. > For those who don't understand the difference in interface, and the > importance of consistency, sit down with a maillist power user [...] > and > if those answering go away, so ends it all. All of the above is my experience too. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Pidgin is not working
Hello Barbra, You've posted your query on a public technical support mail list for all users of Pidgin worldwide but the members of this mail list have no access to, and no knowledge of, your corporate systems. It would probably be best if you contacted your corporate IT department to see what they have to say. On 04/06/2018 14:50, Barbra Sapp wrote: > > Our Pidgin app stopped working and seems to be searching for the > server. Is there a system-wide issue with Pidgin? > > > > > > *Barbra Sapp > Customer Service Representative > First Florida Insurance Network > (Ph) 386.447.8950 Palm Coast* > > *(Fax) **_386.447.8144_** > www.firstfloridainsurance.com <http://www.firstfloridainsurance.com/>* > > > -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: xmpp: URLs in Windows?
On 12/10/2018 15:18, Phil Smith III wrote: > > Been Googling but cannot seem to find answer: can I register xmpp: > URLs in Windows, so I can give my wife a .bat file to start her IM > tabs in Pidgin? > Did anyone reply to this? The short answer is yes, you can register xmpp: URLs in Windows (or any other URL). Any URL can be associated with a program (and with particular command line parameters for the program). If you want the program to do a particular thing then it depends on the program supporting command line parameters to do that thing. Doesn't Pidgin register various URLs when it is installed? I can't remember. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Reddit?
On 31/05/2019 01:14, Gary Kramlich wrote: > Greetings Programs! > > For awhile now I've been trying to think of an easier way for people > to reach out to us and get support that didn't include joining irc or > joining the email list. That's interesting. Isn't Pidgin itself the sort of program that most computer users nowadays would perceive as 'not easy'? It seems to me that most Pidgin users with whom I have come into contact are the exact kinds of people who would be capable of using IRC or a mail list (and might even prefer them). > Also I should note that in the long term I'm really looking to > shutdown our mailing lists. Oh dear. :-( > They're very low traffic and require more > than zero effort to keep them running/spam free. Mail lists like this are clean, simple, quick and efficient (at least from the perspective of their members). Mail lists fit into my personal workflow because they use a standard protocol that I can route and manipulate as I wish, meaning that I quickly see new posts and can efficiently participate. In comparison, web forums (and this most certainly includes Reddit which I have tried to get used to) are slow, clumsy and non-standard in terms of their content presentation. I actually have to remember to log on to a web forum. As such, web forums can never really become part of my workflow, except on an occasional, only-when-I-actually-need-it basis. (And yes, I know that Reddit can send out email notifications but it still requires me to log on via a web interface to take part). As an aside, I personally find both phpBB and vBulletin a less unpleasant user experience than Reddit. Also, joining a large super-community such as Reddit can force unpleasant compromises. One particular example is user names: There is a limited namespace in which everything 'good' is taken. On mail lists I can use my email address, either my main one or one that is customised for the particular mail list. They are unequivocally 'me' and no one else can take them. Whereas when I opened a Reddit account, all versions of my name were taken. I had to choose a username from their available namespace which had no semantic link to my my identity elsewhere. It's a small thing, an annoyance, but an annoyance nevertheless. (Running one's own web forum can help avoid this over-subscribed namespace issue but of course it has its own cost/management/spam issues). All the above said, I do understand how difficult running mail lists is in today's world. It's a real hassle, and a potentially costly one. But, sadly, I know I just won't have time to log onto Reddit and wade through its treacly UI unless and until I actually need help myself. Having written all this, I must make the obvious observation before anyone else does: Why should what I think matter? I've never contributed code to Pidgin and nor have I contributed financially (sorry!). I have contributed a bit by responding (both on the list and in private) to some support requests posted here. (I'd have responded to more but I felt like I was stepping on toes). Beyond that I'm just a happy Pidgin user and a consultant who recommends Pidgin to clients where feasible and who provides first line support to them. In brief, I'm something of an outsider who has now had his say but I can't and don't expect you to actually spend time and money keeping greybeards like me happy with mail lists. ;-) P.S. Despite my comments, I'm not utterly opposed to web forums. I rather like projects that have a web forum *and* a mail list. And I like it even more when both are cross-linked, allowing email users to participate in the web forum just as if they had logged into the web UI. But I do realise that this type of functionality is rare in practice and does not necessarily simplify the issue of mailing list management/deliverability. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Reddit?
On 31/05/2019 11:29, David Woolley wrote: > >> give reddit a try. We still have some customizing to do, but feel >> free to check outhttps://reddit.com/r/pidgin. > > If you really must use a forum, use a forum provider with whom most > people already have an account. I consider having to set up an > account (and track passwords) a significant obstacle. I don't think *any* hosted forum will have "most people" as members, except maybe Facebook(!). (But please no, not Facebook.) For technical subjects, I have to admit Reddit is perhaps the single hosted forum environment that comes closest to "most" (technical) people having an account but, even so, it is still very, very far from ubiquitous. And, of course, a single large hosted forum environment encourages the annoying limited namespace issue I mentioned above. The thing is, many technically-oriented types who *already* have an account at Reddit so they can talk about Star Wars alternative histories or Python lambdas are quite likely to be the very kind of people who are also comfortable using mail lists or IRC. Nevertheless, if the aim is to reduce costs/hassle/management of running a mail list in today's deliverability-unfriendly world then so be it. It saddens me but I can appreciate it. On the other hand, if the mail list is as low volume as it seems then perhaps it might not be that difficult to continue to run it. It might not be totally unreasonable to block (with notification) accounts held on service providers that generate bounces unfairly or that swallow legitimate mail whilst reducing IP reputation. We all know which service providers are the major culprits in this context and technically-oriented list members can and, quite frankly, should be sensible and pragmatic enough to avoid using such providers in contexts where they are harmful to mail lists. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://pidgin.im/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support
Re: Demise of Google Hangouts?
On 05/11/2019 22:49, Phil Smith III wrote: > > It’s been reported that Google is killing end-user Hangouts in 2020: > > https://www.cnet.com/news/google-hangouts-gets-hung-out-to-dry-in-2020-report-says/ > > > > Some of us are irritated because we just moved off of AIM. I don’t > care which service it is, I just need it to work—my wife is housebound > and uses it a lot to communicate with me from her PC when I’m out and > about. (Yes, text-to-email works, but then she has to keep checking > for responses in email; Pidgin flashes/beeps). What else are people > using that both Pidgin on Windows and Android phones support? > It's frustrating, isn't it. There are two solutions I'd recommend: (1) Run your own XMPP server. This is not as bad as it sounds. If you have a static IP DSL/broadband line you can run it on that perfectly well or you can get a cheap cloud/VPS. I'd recommend Openfire as the server software: https://www.igniterealtime.org/projects/openfire/ (2) Try Delta Chat (https://delta.chat/). This is a chat app that uses standard email as its transport medium. I must admit that I have not yet tested it but the idea seems sound and of course won't just disappear (yet!). There's a Delta Chat plugin for Pidgin, I see. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
Re: Announcing the new website!
On 23/01/2020 22:56, Gary Kramlich wrote: > Greetings, Programs! > > As some of you have noticed by now, we launched a new version of > https://pidgin.im last week. I held back the announcement a bit to > make sure we had worked out any issues that cropped up, and what do > you know, we found a few and fixed them. Looks good, funkily modern. Well done. I suggest a link to the mail list in the left hand panel section showing ways to make contact. Or, if you don't want to put it there, add a link to the mail list to the new Help page (I note it was on the Help page on the old site). I do realise that not everything is migrated yet so apologies if I'm jumping the gun. (And yes, I know, I'm a greybeard for wanting mention of the mail list ;-) ). -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
Re: How to cite Pidgin?
Hello, If you mean the Pidgin website then I would have thought you could cite it in the same away as any other website. I presume that your educational establishment has a formal citation standard which should cover web citations. If you mean a message you have received via Pidgin then personally I'd cite this in the same way as one would cite a private letter or personal phone call. On 20/06/2022 17:36, Joãoa Lourenço Affonso wrote: > Hi! > > I'm writing my thesis and I wanted to know how to cite the pidgin site as a > source? Who do I credit it to? Do you have a model? > > Thanks in advance, João Pedro > ___ > Support@pidgin.im mailing list > Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: > https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
Re: Email Lists
As long as I can automatically read all messages and post to the list entirely and solely by email then I vote yes to the migration. I am not interested in a web UI other for one-off configuration jobs. I would hope that users were transparently imported into the new system with no user interaction required. As for archives from before the migration, it seems to me that these do not need to be imported into the new system; they can stay where they are. On 06/10/2022 10:52, Gary Kramlich wrote: > Greetings Programs! > > As some of you may be aware, we've been in the process of > transitioning our email lists to a new server. Well, managing email in > 2022 is tedious and unforgiving so it's taking forever and I always > have a ton more on my plate that's easier to do. > > As such, the idea has come up to migrate to Discource instead. Because > of this, I'm trying to see how others feel about this and how we > should go about importing things. They are listed below. > > I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't > found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet. > > Please respond as soon as possible as I would really like to start on > this migration no later than 2022-10-14. > > When it comes to this migration, are you for or against it? (Please > answer yes/no/doesn't matter) > > When it comes to this migration, would you like to have users imported > into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter) > > When it comes to the archives, would you prefer to have it imported > into the new system? (Please answer yes/no/doesn't matter) > > Thanks! ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
Re: Email Lists
On 06/10/2022 17:12, pid...@alexoren.com wrote: > >> I've tried looking to see if I can anonymize the archive, but haven't >> found anything mentioning that as a possibility yet. > > Why does it matter? Currently, the archives are open for the whole > Internet to see. > Agreed. There is no need to change the state of the archives (especially if they stay where they currently are). -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
Re: Mailing List Shutdown
Oh well. Whilst I greatly prefer (as a recipient!) the simplicity of MM2 mail lists, I can well appreciate not wanting to fight issues of spam blocking and deliverability. It's very sad but I do understand. -- Mark Rousell ___ Support@pidgin.im mailing list Want to unsubscribe? Use this link: https://lists.pidgin.im/listinfo/support
