Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-14 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Ed Mullen wrote:


Tools - Password Manager - Manage stored passwords. Search for verizon.
Delete all verizon entries. Go to log on URL. Manually enter user
and password. What happens?


As noted upthread, the authentication error recurs.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Ed Mullen

HenriK wrote on 1/13/2015 11:40 AM:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?


What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via
Verizon webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name
and password. Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After
I deleted all 'Verizon ...' entries in Password Manager, when I again
tried to access the new e-mail account via SM's e-mail function, I
got the usual 'authentication failure' response.


You haven't answered my question -- when you get the authentication
failure, is
there no way out? Does SeaMonkey not prompt you to enter the correct
password?


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).


Tools - Password Manager - Manage stored passwords.  Search for verizon. 
 Delete all verizon entries.  Go to log on URL.  Manually enter user 
and password.  What happens?



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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Jonathan N. Little

HenriK wrote:


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).



Okay firstly check all account settings.

1) In left panel select account and right-click select Settings

2) Confirm email is correct and note at bottom *which outgoing SMTP 
server is account with the account, should be the Verizon 
smtp.verizon.net. If not see it it is in the droplist. If still missing, 
don't worry we will fix that later.


3) Go to Server Settings:
Server Type should be POP
Server Name:pop.verizon.net
Port: 955
Connection Security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

4) Go down to Outgoing Servers (SMTP)

5) Find the Verizon on identified in step 2. If step 2 you didn't have 
one create new with Add button, else select and click Edit


6) Change or Add settings:
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
Connection Security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password
Username: (whatever your email is without the @verizon.net

7) If you created an new outgoing SMTP server for Verizon bot back to 
account setting like in #2 and now selected it from the droplist for 
Outgoing Servers (SMTP):


You've probably buggered your passwords so:
8) Tools Password Manager

sort on verizon.net and delete the passwords for mailbox://... and 
smtp://... and you will reenter them when prompted


9) Set the mailbox password by using the Get Mail button and enter your 
password when prompted with saved password checked


10) Now set the outgoing SMTP server password and created a test email 
and send it to yourself on another email that you have and repeat 
password saving like in #9.


That should fix it.


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


HenriK wrote:


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).



Okay firstly check all account settings.

1)...


Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.


That should fix it.


If you'll read the rest of the thread, you'll see we've been through all 
that.



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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

HenriK wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?


What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via
Verizon webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name
and password. Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After
I deleted all 'Verizon ...' entries in Password Manager, when I again
tried to access the new e-mail account via SM's e-mail function, I
got the usual 'authentication failure' response.


You haven't answered my question -- when you get the authentication
failure, is
there no way out? Does SeaMonkey not prompt you to enter the correct
password?


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).


If it's not the password -- and we seem to have ruled that out -- then I 
can only fall back to the other two questions in my last post:


Bad username? (Could you have mistyped it in the SM settings?)
Edit | Mail  Newsgroups Account Settings... | account name | Server 
Settings: User Name


Bad connection? (Probably not, if the server can hear you and reply. Can 
you browse normally on the trouble system?)


You've already shown us that you have the right server name and port, 
since your data match those of other FiOS users who aren't having trouble.


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread WaltS48

On 01/13/2015 11:40 AM, HenriK wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?


What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via
Verizon webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name
and password. Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After
I deleted all 'Verizon ...' entries in Password Manager, when I again
tried to access the new e-mail account via SM's e-mail function, I
got the usual 'authentication failure' response.


You haven't answered my question -- when you get the authentication
failure, is
there no way out? Does SeaMonkey not prompt you to enter the correct
password?


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).



Contact Verizon support.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


HenriK wrote:


Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
this).



Okay firstly check all account settings.

1)...


Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.


That should fix it.


If you'll read the rest of the thread, you'll see we've been through all
that.




Obviously he skip a step somewhere.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread W3BNR
On 1/13/2015 12:59 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
 On 01/13/2015 11:40 AM, HenriK wrote:
 Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
 HenriK wrote:

 Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

 Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?

 What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via
 Verizon webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name
 and password. Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After
 I deleted all 'Verizon ...' entries in Password Manager, when I again
 tried to access the new e-mail account via SM's e-mail function, I
 got the usual 'authentication failure' response.

 You haven't answered my question -- when you get the authentication
 failure, is
 there no way out? Does SeaMonkey not prompt you to enter the correct
 password?

 Oh, I'm sorry.  I seem to have misunderstood you.  Yes, after I get the
 authentication failure message the first time I try to bring up my new
 Verizon e-mail account, SM prompts me to enter a new (correct) password.

 When I do that, I get the authentication failure message again and,
 again, SM prompts me to enter a new password.  This routine seems to go
 on forever but I have actually tried to enter the correct password (the
 one that works with Verizon Webmail) only six times.

 Since the password unfailingly works with Verizon Webmail, I can only
 assume that my problem has something to do with the SM setup for this
 new Verizon e-mail account.  Ideas?  (and thanks for sticking with me on
 this).
 
 
 Contact Verizon support.
 

And they will tell you that SeaMonkey is not supported.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-13 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

HenriK wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?


What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via
Verizon webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name
and password. Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After
I deleted all 'Verizon ...' entries in Password Manager, when I again
tried to access the new e-mail account via SM's e-mail function, I
got the usual 'authentication failure' response.


You haven't answered my question -- when you get the authentication 
failure, is there no way out? Does SeaMonkey not prompt you to enter the 
correct password?


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread HenriK

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)

Security Settings
Connection security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
Description: Verizon
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
Authentication method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS

Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail
accounts already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every
time I try to log in to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an
authentication error and can't log into the account.


The settings you describe work fine for me. They're not as secure as they might
be (other possibilities might also exist), but they do work.


To check whether I was using the right user name and password, I logged
into Verizon's webmail and have been repeatedly successful with what I
understand to be my correct user name and password in pulling up my FiOS
e-mail account via Verizon webmail.

Might anyone have any ideas on what might be blocking the authentication
process when I enter my FiOS password?  I'm baffled.


I can only think that you've entered the password incorrectly in SM. Try this:

Tools | Password Manager | Manage Stored Passwords

Scroll down to verizon.net and select it, you should see two entries on the
right:
mailbox://mail.verizon.net (mailbox://mail.verizon.net)
smtp://smtp.verizon.net (smtp://smtp.verizon.net)

Click the button at bottom right, Show Passwords and examine them with a
fine-tooth comb. Remember, they're case-sensitive.

If worse comes to worst, do the same thing on a working system and compare them
side-by-side.

If one or both passwords proves to be wrong, just delete that entry. The next
time you try to send a message (SMTP) or get messages (POP), you'll be prompted
for the password, and you can enter it.

If you like, on a working system, open a Notepad window. Then for each of the
entries in Password Manager, right-click and choose Copy password and paste it
into the text file. Save onto a USB stick or something and walk it across to the
trouble system, where you can copy/paste it into SeaMonkey's dialog when it
prompts you for the password. Be sure to delete the file when done.

Good idea.  I deleted all Verizon listings in Password Manager logged out of 
SeaMonkey and rebooted the PC.  When I next tried to log into my new Verizon 
e-mail account, it again failed with the usual authentication failure message.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread HenriK

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is outgoing.verizon.net.


I have now tried substituting 'incoming.verizon.net' for 'pop.verizon.net'
and 'outgoing.verizon.net' for 'smtp.verizon.net'.

Neither of these substitutions solved my log-in authentication problem.

I'm utterly baffled.
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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread WaltS48

On 01/12/2015 05:08 PM, HenriK wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is
outgoing.verizon.net.


I have now tried substituting 'incoming.verizon.net' for 'pop.verizon.net'
and 'outgoing.verizon.net' for 'smtp.verizon.net'.

Neither of these substitutions solved my log-in authentication problem.

I'm utterly baffled.



Sounds like a Verizon problem.

Have you tried a test profile with just that account setup?

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread HenriK

WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/12/2015 05:08 PM, HenriK wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is
outgoing.verizon.net.


I have now tried substituting 'incoming.verizon.net' for 'pop.verizon.net'
and 'outgoing.verizon.net' for 'smtp.verizon.net'.

Neither of these substitutions solved my log-in authentication problem.

I'm utterly baffled.



Sounds like a Verizon problem.

Have you tried a test profile with just that account setup?


What, precisely, do you mean by test profile?
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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread HenriK

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion of SM
with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)

Security Settings
Connection security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
Description: Verizon
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
Authentication method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS

Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail accounts
already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every time I try to log in
to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an authentication error and can't log into
the account.

To check whether I was using the right user name and password, I logged into
Verizon's webmail and have been repeatedly successful with what I understand to
be my correct user name and password in pulling up my FiOS e-mail account via
Verizon webmail.

Might anyone have any ideas on what might be blocking the authentication process
when I enter my FiOS password?  I'm baffled.

Thanks, in advance for comments, recommendations, suggestions, or whatever.


Just in case the text of the authentication failure message is somehow important 
in solving this problem, the EXACT text I am receiving is:


Mail server incoming.verizon.net responded: Authentication failed
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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread WaltS48

HenriK wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 01/12/2015 05:08 PM, HenriK wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail
portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is
outgoing.verizon.net.


I have now tried substituting 'incoming.verizon.net' for
'pop.verizon.net'
and 'outgoing.verizon.net' for 'smtp.verizon.net'.

Neither of these substitutions solved my log-in authentication problem.

I'm utterly baffled.



Sounds like a Verizon problem.

Have you tried a test profile with just that account setup?


What, precisely, do you mean by test profile?



One with just your Verizon account.

Start SeaMonkey, select Tools  Switch Profile. In the dialog box that 
opens click the Manage Profiles button, then the Create Profile button, 
read the next page if you want, then click Next, give the profile a 
name, click Finish, click Use Profile.


SeaMonkey will open to that new profile. Open the Mail and Newsgroups 
window, setup your Verizon account and see if that connects.


I would suggest using Verizon's suggested pop.verizon.net and 
smtp.verizon.net settings. They changed that awhile back IIRC.


Carefully enter your password so you don't have any typos, make sure 
Caps Lock isn't on, and all that stuff.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

HenriK wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I can only think that you've entered the password incorrectly in SM.
Try this:

Tools | Password Manager | Manage Stored Passwords

Scroll down to verizon.net and select it, you should see two entries
on the right:
mailbox://mail.verizon.net (mailbox://mail.verizon.net)
smtp://smtp.verizon.net (smtp://smtp.verizon.net)

Click the button at bottom right, Show Passwords and examine them
with a fine-tooth comb. Remember, they're case-sensitive.

If worse comes to worst, do the same thing on a working system and
compare them side-by-side.

If one or both passwords proves to be wrong, just delete that
entry. The next time you try to send a message (SMTP) or get
messages (POP), you'll be prompted for the password, and you can
enter it.

If you like, on a working system, open a Notepad window. Then for
each of the entries in Password Manager, right-click and choose
Copy password and paste it into the text file. Save onto a USB
stick or something and walk it across to the trouble system, where
you can copy/paste it into SeaMonkey's dialog when it prompts you
for the password. Be sure to delete the file when done.


Good idea. I deleted all Verizon listings in Password Manager logged
out of SeaMonkey and rebooted the PC. When I next tried to log into
my new Verizon e-mail account, it again failed with the usual
authentication failure message.


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?

If so, and if you've reentered your password and still failed, then 
we've ruled out bad passwords, and we've ruled out bad server settings, 
so what's left?


When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however 
improbable, must be the truth.


Bad username? (Could you have mistyped it in the SM settings?)

Bad connection? (Probably not, if the server can hear you and reply. Can 
you browse normally on the trouble system?)


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-12 Thread HenriK

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


I can only think that you've entered the password incorrectly in SM.
Try this:

Tools | Password Manager | Manage Stored Passwords

Scroll down to verizon.net and select it, you should see two entries
on the right:
mailbox://mail.verizon.net (mailbox://mail.verizon.net)
smtp://smtp.verizon.net (smtp://smtp.verizon.net)

Click the button at bottom right, Show Passwords and examine them
with a fine-tooth comb. Remember, they're case-sensitive.

If worse comes to worst, do the same thing on a working system and
compare them side-by-side.

If one or both passwords proves to be wrong, just delete that
entry. The next time you try to send a message (SMTP) or get
messages (POP), you'll be prompted for the password, and you can
enter it.

If you like, on a working system, open a Notepad window. Then for
each of the entries in Password Manager, right-click and choose
Copy password and paste it into the text file. Save onto a USB
stick or something and walk it across to the trouble system, where
you can copy/paste it into SeaMonkey's dialog when it prompts you
for the password. Be sure to delete the file when done.


Good idea. I deleted all Verizon listings in Password Manager logged
out of SeaMonkey and rebooted the PC. When I next tried to log into
my new Verizon e-mail account, it again failed with the usual
authentication failure message.


Didn't SM invite you to enter your password? How did that go?

If so, and if you've reentered your password and still failed, then we've ruled
out bad passwords, and we've ruled out bad server settings, so what's left?

When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable,
must be the truth.

Bad username? (Could you have mistyped it in the SM settings?)

Bad connection? (Probably not, if the server can hear you and reply. Can you
browse normally on the trouble system?)

What really puzzles me is that I can reach this e-mail account via Verizon 
webmail using what I wrote down as both the correct user name and password. 
Accordingly, I believe neither is the problem.  After I deleted all 'Verizon 
...' entries in Password Manager, when I again tried to access the new e-mail 
account via SM's e-mail function, I got the usual 'authentication failure' response.


I am about to try to create a new profile separate from the profile that 
controls my existing seven (non-Verizon) e-mail accounts and see what happens. 
What really rattles me is that I added two of the non-Verizon e-mail accounts to 
my original profile within the past month and all went well.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-11 Thread J. Weaver Jr.

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-11 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is
outgoing.verizon.net.



I'm using pop.verizon.net:995 and smtp.verizon.net:465 and works for me.

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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-11 Thread Cruz, Jaime

J. Weaver Jr. wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)


Try incoming.verizon.net instead.  -JW


That is what I have.  And for the SMTP server, it is outgoing.verizon.net.

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SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread HenriK
Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion of SM 
with Verizon FiOS?


As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)

Security Settings
Connection security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
Description: Verizon
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
Authentication method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS

Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail accounts 
already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every time I try to log in 
to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an authentication error and can't log into 
the account.


To check whether I was using the right user name and password, I logged into 
Verizon's webmail and have been repeatedly successful with what I understand to 
be my correct user name and password in pulling up my FiOS e-mail account via 
Verizon webmail.


Might anyone have any ideas on what might be blocking the authentication process 
when I enter my FiOS password?  I'm baffled.


Thanks, in advance for comments, recommendations, suggestions, or whatever.
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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)

Security Settings
Connection security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
Description: Verizon
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
Authentication method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS

Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail
accounts already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every
time I try to log in to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an
authentication error and can't log into the account.


The settings you describe work fine for me. They're not as secure as 
they might be (other possibilities might also exist), but they do work.



To check whether I was using the right user name and password, I logged
into Verizon's webmail and have been repeatedly successful with what I
understand to be my correct user name and password in pulling up my FiOS
e-mail account via Verizon webmail.

Might anyone have any ideas on what might be blocking the authentication
process when I enter my FiOS password?  I'm baffled.


I can only think that you've entered the password incorrectly in SM. Try 
this:


Tools | Password Manager | Manage Stored Passwords

Scroll down to verizon.net and select it, you should see two entries 
on the right:

mailbox://mail.verizon.net (mailbox://mail.verizon.net)
smtp://smtp.verizon.net (smtp://smtp.verizon.net)

Click the button at bottom right, Show Passwords and examine them with 
a fine-tooth comb. Remember, they're case-sensitive.


If worse comes to worst, do the same thing on a working system and 
compare them side-by-side.


If one or both passwords proves to be wrong, just delete that entry. The 
next time you try to send a message (SMTP) or get messages (POP), you'll 
be prompted for the password, and you can enter it.


If you like, on a working system, open a Notepad window. Then for each 
of the entries in Password Manager, right-click and choose Copy 
password and paste it into the text file. Save onto a USB stick or 
something and walk it across to the trouble system, where you can 
copy/paste it into SeaMonkey's dialog when it prompts you for the 
password. Be sure to delete the file when done.


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:

Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion
of SM with Verizon FiOS?

As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:

Server settings:
Server Type: POP Mail Server
Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)

Security Settings
Connection security: SSL/TLS
Authentication method: Normal Password

Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
Description: Verizon
Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
Port: 465
User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
Authentication method: Normal password
Connection Security: SSL/TLS

Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail
accounts already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every
time I try to log in to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an
authentication error and can't log into the account.


The settings you describe work fine for me. They're not as secure as
they might be (other possibilities might also exist), but they do work.


Why not as secure as they might be? Because of the normal password? 
You don't need an encrypted password with StartTLS and SSL/TLS because 
the connection is encrypted *before* the password is sent.  Encrypted 
passwords where useful when the initial connection to the server was 
unencrypted. In any case the server doesn't save your password, or 
shouldn't, just has the hash.



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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


The settings you describe work fine for me. They're not as secure
as they might be (other possibilities might also exist), but they
do work.


Why not as secure as they might be? Because of the normal password?
You don't need an encrypted password with StartTLS and SSL/TLS
because the connection is encrypted *before* the password is sent.
Encrypted passwords where useful when the initial connection to the
server was unencrypted. In any case the server doesn't save your
password, or shouldn't, just has the hash.


Well, I see it as wearing a bulletproof vest and helmet, leaving your 
arms, legs, and face exposed. Good but not perfect.


It was mostly a throwaway line to say I'm not recommending this as 
perfect or even ideal, just saying it should work, so don't complain to 
me about any security issues. You've seen the oft-repeated advice not 
to put anything in an email that you wouldn't put on a postcard...


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


The settings you describe work fine for me. They're not as secure
as they might be (other possibilities might also exist), but they
do work.


Why not as secure as they might be? Because of the normal password?
You don't need an encrypted password with StartTLS and SSL/TLS
because the connection is encrypted *before* the password is sent.
Encrypted passwords where useful when the initial connection to the
server was unencrypted. In any case the server doesn't save your
password, or shouldn't, just has the hash.


Well, I see it as wearing a bulletproof vest and helmet, leaving your
arms, legs, and face exposed. Good but not perfect.

It was mostly a throwaway line to say I'm not recommending this as
perfect or even ideal, just saying it should work, so don't complain to
me about any security issues. You've seen the oft-repeated advice not
to put anything in an email that you wouldn't put on a postcard...



You have missed the point entirely. Before StartTLS and SSL/TLS the 
connection to the server was made *first*, because it has to in order to 
send any challenge/response, and the password sent would be vulnerable 
if unencrypted because the connection was unencrypted. But with StartTLS 
and SSL/TLS the initialized connection *is* encrypted *before* the 
password is sent so the password *is* encrypted by the connection. Also 
the server never (it shouldn't) hold your password  but gets hashed and 
compared to a stored hash.


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Ed
On 1/10/2015 3:13 PM, HenriK wrote:
 Has anyone on this list using SM successfully set up the e-mail portion of SM
 with Verizon FiOS?
 
 As I read Verizon's instructions, they specify:
 
 Server settings:
 Server Type: POP Mail Server
 Server Name: pop.verizon.net Port: 995 Default 995
 User Name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
 
 Security Settings
 Connection security: SSL/TLS
 Authentication method: Normal Password
 
 Outgoing Server(SMTP) settings:
 Description: Verizon
 Server Name: smtp.verizon.net
 Port: 465
 User name: just your name(leave off @verizon.net)
 Authentication method: Normal password
 Connection Security: SSL/TLS
 
 Having followed these instructions (and I have five other e-mail accounts
 already working well with my SM v.2.30 installation), every time I try to log 
 in
 to my new FiOS e-mail account I get an authentication error and can't log into
 the account.
 
 To check whether I was using the right user name and password, I logged into
 Verizon's webmail and have been repeatedly successful with what I understand 
 to
 be my correct user name and password in pulling up my FiOS e-mail account via
 Verizon webmail.
 
 Might anyone have any ideas on what might be blocking the authentication 
 process
 when I enter my FiOS password?  I'm baffled.
 
 Thanks, in advance for comments, recommendations, suggestions, or whatever.

Looks good to me.  That's the way I'm set up for on FiOS.
I can offer no suggestions.


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Re: SM Verizon FiOS e-mail

2015-01-10 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Ed wrote:


Looks good to me.  That's the way I'm set up for on FiOS.
I can offer no suggestions.




And DSL

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