Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
On 10/6/2009 5:44 PM Bob Fleischer wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: On 10/5/2009 10:35 PM Bob Fleischer wrote: Does that mean there won't be another beta before release? Correct, only 1-2 Release Candidates. Code Freeze is tomorrow already after all. Sorry, I forget that your definition is different from our definition of beta. We usually beta until the bug rate goes way down to what one would expect in a released product. That doesn't appear to be the case here. What makes you feel like that? The problems described in this thread (which were regressions introduced through a recently added feature, tabmail) are already fixed for the upcoming Release Candidates. Lots of other things have been fixed, too, both between the last beta and now and (even more) in comparison to the current stable 1.1.x product line. Some major problems will even be fixed as late as today. SM 2.0 won't be perfect but developers are trying as good as they can to fix the most visible bugs left given the limited resources the project has. The standard reply to questions when there will be a release has been when it's done. That worked as long as there was no light at the end of the tunnel but at some point the decision was made to put an end to the delay. The reasons for releasing this month go beyond bug counts and product quality but that doesn't mean those things are unimportant either. It's just time to finally wrap things up. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Jens Hatlak wrote: The standard reply to questions when there will be a release has been when it's done. That worked as long as there was no light at the end of the tunnel but at some point the decision was made to put an end to the delay. The reasons for releasing this month go beyond bug counts and product quality but that doesn't mean those things are unimportant either. It's just time to finally wrap things up. The point in time comes when the tradeoff between being how much the current stable version sucks and how much the current development state for the new version sucks requires some hard decisions to actually ship it. From all I see, we already have way fewer problems on 2.0 nightly versions than on 1.1.18, which means to me that we really should ship it. Robert Kaiser ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
On 10/6/2009 7:51 PM chicagofan wrote: [Bugzilla] It has occurred to me, after reading responses there on several bugs, that the project members might not want users who can't help technically to clutter up that forum. Is that the case? I could understand that... just trying to determine if I should confine my comments/problems to this newsgroup. :) Bugzilla is a bug tracking system, i.e. any comment that helps understanding the problem or fixing the bug is on topic, anything else is not (unless I forgot some scenario). That includes not only technical help but also information about how/when/under which conditions a bug can be experienced and also since when. The latter is what we call finding a regression window, i.e. finding the day the bug first appeared by checking nightly builds (which are archived on the FTP server). In other words, if you have some new information, post it. If not, don't (you may add yourself to the CC list or vote for the bug, though). If you want to start a discussion, post to a newsgroup (like here) or go to IRC and ask politely (and don't expect too much there, from experience it takes some time to get a reply, if any, when not asking specific people). Good: - filing a bug (after having checked that one doesn't exist already) - adding new useful info, including narrowing down the problem (e.g. happens also on platform X if only confirmed on Y yet) - adding a patch. ;-) Bad: - writing something someone else has written in previous comments - writing that you really, really want XY or that XY is bad without adding otherwise useful information HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
chicagofan schrieb: It's been marked as *fixed* now [mark messages] which is great news. :) Do I understand correctly that the final release is scheduled for October... sometime? That's correct. regards Martin -- () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - http://www.gerstbach.at/2004/ascii ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
chicagofan wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: On 9/16/2009 10:07 PM chicagofan wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Known:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514876 I reported this earlier at bugzilla too, but I'm not tech savvy, and can't help find where it went wrong between b1 and b2. I sure hope someone will look at this soon, because this is a MAJOR problem for people who use Usenet a lot, as well as e-mail. It's a regression from the introduction of the new tabmail feature. Some initial analysis is available and the bug is already marked wanted-seamonkey2+ so chances are this will be fixed before release. It doesn't just fail to mark messages, it opens the *wrong* message when you try to reply... or forward a message. Yes, 1-5 (tagging) is affected, too. That will probably be handled in another bug that is yet to be filed, though, cf. the Bad MailNews experience in current nightly? thread in m.d.a.seamonkey. HTH Jens It's been marked as *fixed* now [mark messages] which is great news. :) Do I understand correctly that the final release is scheduled for October... sometime? bj Does that mean there won't be another beta before release? Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
On 10/5/2009 10:35 PM Bob Fleischer wrote: chicagofan wrote: Do I understand correctly that the final release is scheduled for October... sometime? Does that mean there won't be another beta before release? Correct, only 1-2 Release Candidates. Code Freeze is tomorrow already after all. Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Jens Hatlak wrote: On 9/16/2009 10:07 PM chicagofan wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Known:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514876 I reported this earlier at bugzilla too, but I'm not tech savvy, and can't help find where it went wrong between b1 and b2. I sure hope someone will look at this soon, because this is a MAJOR problem for people who use Usenet a lot, as well as e-mail. It's a regression from the introduction of the new tabmail feature. Some initial analysis is available and the bug is already marked wanted-seamonkey2+ so chances are this will be fixed before release. It doesn't just fail to mark messages, it opens the *wrong* message when you try to reply... or forward a message. Yes, 1-5 (tagging) is affected, too. That will probably be handled in another bug that is yet to be filed, though, cf. the Bad MailNews experience in current nightly? thread in m.d.a.seamonkey. HTH Jens It's been marked as *fixed* now [mark messages] which is great news. :) Do I understand correctly that the final release is scheduled for October... sometime? bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Jens Hatlak wrote: On 9/15/2009 11:33 PM Bob Fleischer wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.0b2 on Vista: reading sequentially through unread emails in a folder (or news items in a newsgroup) using a separate message window doesn't mark the subsequent messages as read. Known: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514876 HTH Jens I reported this earlier at bugzilla too, but I'm not tech savvy, and can't help find where it went wrong between b1 and b2. I sure hope someone will look at this soon, because this is a MAJOR problem for people who use Usenet a lot, as well as e-mail. It doesn't just fail to mark messages, it opens the *wrong* message when you try to reply... or forward a message. In general, it's the kind of flaw, that makes you want to go back to a previous version. I tried to vote for it being a major bug, but it won't record my vote... OR I'm not doing it right. :) Haven't used bugzilla a lot. :\ bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
chicagofan wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: On 9/15/2009 11:33 PM Bob Fleischer wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.0b2 on Vista: reading sequentially through unread emails in a folder (or news items in a newsgroup) using a separate message window doesn't mark the subsequent messages as read. Known:https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514876 HTH Jens I reported this earlier at bugzilla too, but I'm not tech savvy, and can't help find where it went wrong between b1 and b2. I sure hope someone will look at this soon, because this is a MAJOR problem for people who use Usenet a lot, as well as e-mail. It doesn't just fail to mark messages, it opens the *wrong* message when you try to reply... or forward a message. In general, it's the kind of flaw, that makes you want to go back to a previous version. I tried to vote for it being a major bug, but it won't record my vote... OR I'm not doing it right. :) Haven't used bugzilla a lot. :\ bj OOPS... I went back to see who filed the original bug report, and saw that my vote has been entered. Now I understand the change doesn't happen instantly. Sorry 'bout that. bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
On 9/16/2009 10:07 PM chicagofan wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Known: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=514876 I reported this earlier at bugzilla too, but I'm not tech savvy, and can't help find where it went wrong between b1 and b2. I sure hope someone will look at this soon, because this is a MAJOR problem for people who use Usenet a lot, as well as e-mail. It's a regression from the introduction of the new tabmail feature. Some initial analysis is available and the bug is already marked wanted-seamonkey2+ so chances are this will be fixed before release. It doesn't just fail to mark messages, it opens the *wrong* message when you try to reply... or forward a message. Yes, 1-5 (tagging) is affected, too. That will probably be handled in another bug that is yet to be filed, though, cf. the Bad MailNews experience in current nightly? thread in m.d.a.seamonkey. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Using SeaMonkey 2.0b2 on Vista: reading sequentially through unread emails in a folder (or news items in a newsgroup) using a separate message window doesn't mark the subsequent messages as read. Bob ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Bob Fleischer wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.0b2 on Vista: reading sequentially through unread emails in a folder (or news items in a newsgroup) using a separate message window doesn't mark the subsequent messages as read. Bob Same on XP. -- Gerald Ross Cochran, GA How long a minute is depends on which side of the bathroom door you're on. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 2.0b2: reading next message in separate window doesn't mark it as read
Other things fail on the subsequent messages (but not the first). For example, if images are blocked, one cannot show them. Bob Gerald Ross wrote: Bob Fleischer wrote: Using SeaMonkey 2.0b2 on Vista: reading sequentially through unread emails in a folder (or news items in a newsgroup) using a separate message window doesn't mark the subsequent messages as read. Bob Same on XP. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
