Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. The OP was asking about continuing to install in the /home folder. That question/response had nothing to do with installing globally. More specifically, the OP was asking about the rationale behind installing in the home directory as opposed to using the system package management. The latter is always installing globally. I was just saying that before SeaMonkey 2.0, access to the application directory was needed in order to be able to install some kinds of add-ons. With SeaMonkey 2.0 and later, application directory access is only required for updating the application itself. So there are now fewer reasons to go with that approach as before. That's all. BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just remove it. I beg to differ Sure, Stanimir already explained that and I already confirmed his findings. My statement was wrong. Please read Stanimir's posting and my reply to see why (it's really confusing!). Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
Jens Hatlak wrote: Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. Does such thinking still hold, or should I be using Synaptic to do the installs? It depends. There are basically three kinds of setups: 1. Global install using packages provided by your Linux distribution (in your case Ubuntu) 2. Manual global install (as root, e.g. under /opt or /usr/local) 3. Manual local install (as your user, e.g. in your home directory) Option 1 is the way to go if you have multiple (system) users and/or want to let your distribution manage the software installed on your machine. The advantage is that it'll probably just work out-of-the-box, install all required dependencies and that your distribution will take care of delivering updates to you. The latter can also be a downside, though: depending on your distribution, updates might not be offered too often or not in a timely fashion. Option 2 is best if you have a multi-user install like above but want more control or go with what is provided by the SeaMonkey team. With this setup you'll have to take care of installing any dependencies and updates yourself, as root. Option 3 is recommended for single-user installations because you can let SeaMonkey update itself directly whenever an update is available (or at any later point in time, whenever you want). HTH Jens I have a related question - I have set up my laptop with Ubuntu 10.4 LTS and installed 2.0.4 from the Ubuntu Software Respository. Seems to be working fine but no mail/news just browser composer. I think I see the appropriate files for mail/news but I don't know enough about Linux (yet) to install them. Should I remove the current install and download from Mozilla.org the appropriate package and install as described elsewhere in this thread? I have my bookmarks ready to import, passwords in a .xml file, and my mail news folders on a thumbdrive ready to copy into the profile. I hope I am not hijacking this thread. Thanks from a Linux newbie but a long time Windows user. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On 05/25/2010 04:40 PM, Tony wrote: ... I have a related question - I have set up my laptop with Ubuntu 10.4 LTS and installed 2.0.4 from the Ubuntu Software Respository. Seems to be working fine but no mail/news just browser composer. I think I see the appropriate files for mail/news but I don't know enough about Linux (yet) to install them. Should I remove the current install and download from Mozilla.org the appropriate package and install as described elsewhere in this thread? I have my bookmarks ready to import, passwords in a .xml file, and my mail news folders on a thumbdrive ready to copy into the profile. I hope I am not hijacking this thread. Thanks from a Linux newbie but a long time Windows user. Start a new thread I'll be happy to help. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey application directory. You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time ago and have forgotten that you did it. Phil Thanks, all, for your comments. Hi, Phil. I've been installing under my home directory (following some instructions I've retained from install-to-install), so I've not had to chmod. Regards, RL -- Rob Lindauer - for my real address, replace att with sbc ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. ??? I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time still have the latest 1.1.19 installed working from a home folder. Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard of this. ... Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey application directory. You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time ago and have forgotten that you did it. Phil I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder (/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there: /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser This version has the following working (just fine): java, flash, prefbar, xsidebar, browser, chatzilla, mail, news. All of my profile plugins are in ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla/plugins. Am I missing something obvious? Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.24) Gecko/20100301 SeaMonkey/1.1.19 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard of this. Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey application directory. You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time ago and have forgotten that you did it. I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder (/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there: /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser In that case you probably did that as your user. Philip and I were talking about a global install done by the root user, e.g. under /usr/local. With your setup all application files are owned by your user so you can of course install any extension. BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just remove it. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
Mon, 24 May 2010 21:38:51 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/: NoOp wrote: /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just remove it. I remember this has come up before http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/322a9a5878456338: Actually the only reason that 1.1 on linux supports -no-remote is that on linux seamonkey is a shell script that translates -no-remote into set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 seamonkey-bin etc. -- Stanimir ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Mon, 24 May 2010 21:38:51 +0200, /Jens Hatlak/: NoOp wrote: /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just remove it. I remember this has come up before http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.support.seamonkey/msg/322a9a5878456338: Actually the only reason that 1.1 on linux supports -no-remote is that on linux seamonkey is a shell script that translates -no-remote into set MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 seamonkey-bin etc. Oh well. You're right. I just wished people replaced this with -invalidOptionThatTriggersNoRemote or something that has the same effect without confusing people like me (I always forget). Greetings, Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On 05/24/2010 12:38 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 09:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard of this. Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey application directory. You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time ago and have forgotten that you did it. I guess I'm still confused... just switch back to SeaMonkey 1.1.19 to reply. The _only_ thing that I've done to install is to extract the seamonkey-1.1.19.en-US.linux-i686.tar.gz to a home folder (/home/seamonkey119) and run it from there: /home/username/seamonkey119/./seamonkey -no-remote -mail -browser In that case you probably did that as your user. Philip and I were talking about a global install done by the root user, e.g. under /usr/local. With your setup all application files are owned by your user so you can of course install any extension. I was replying to: On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. ??? I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time still have the latest 1.1.19 installed working from a home folder. Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard of this. ... The OP was asking about continuing to install in the /home folder. That question/response had nothing to do with installing globally. BTW: -no-remote does nothing with SeaMonkey version prior to 2.0. Just remove it. I beg to differ; if I have SeaMonkey 2.x running and I start 1.1.19 without the '-no-remote' command all I get is a new browser window in 2.x. However, if I start 1.1.19 using '-no-remote' I get SeaMonkey 1.1.19 running side-by-side to SeaMonkey 2.x. So obviously your experience differs than mine, but I've been running them side-by-side for some time and can replicate if you wish. $ ps -e |grep seamonkey 2055 ?00:00:00 seamonkey2 == SM 2.0.5 2074 ?00:09:00 seamonkey-bin 5339 pts/100:00:00 seamonkey === SM 1.1.19 5346 pts/100:00:01 seamonkey-bin ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On 05/23/2010 12:27 PM, Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. Does such thinking still hold, or should I be using Synaptic to do the installs? Thx, RL Yes (IMO) for awhile: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/575160 Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit 63bit): https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2 or for 2.0.5 https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. Does such thinking still hold, or should I be using Synaptic to do the installs? It depends. There are basically three kinds of setups: 1. Global install using packages provided by your Linux distribution (in your case Ubuntu) 2. Manual global install (as root, e.g. under /opt or /usr/local) 3. Manual local install (as your user, e.g. in your home directory) Option 1 is the way to go if you have multiple (system) users and/or want to let your distribution manage the software installed on your machine. The advantage is that it'll probably just work out-of-the-box, install all required dependencies and that your distribution will take care of delivering updates to you. The latter can also be a downside, though: depending on your distribution, updates might not be offered too often or not in a timely fashion. Option 2 is best if you have a multi-user install like above but want more control or go with what is provided by the SeaMonkey team. With this setup you'll have to take care of installing any dependencies and updates yourself, as root. Option 3 is recommended for single-user installations because you can let SeaMonkey update itself directly whenever an update is available (or at any later point in time, whenever you want). HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 12:27 PM, Rob Lindauer wrote: The Seamonkey install instructions I've been using (successfully) for a year or two have me expand the Seamonkey tar/bz2 file into a subdirectory under home, and manually add an entry in my Gnome/Kde menu, as opposed to installing via Synaptic/Apt. The rationale as I recall is that I as nonprivileged user can thereafter add extensions, and no have to run as root when doing so. Does such thinking still hold, or should I be using Synaptic to do the installs? Thx, RL Yes (IMO) for awhile: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey/+bug/575160 Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit 63bit): 63 bit? https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2 or for 2.0.5 https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey2-pre -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On 05/23/2010 06:31 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: ... Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit 63bit): 63 bit? Yeah... I was watching the Sharks get wooped by the Blackhawks at the time dropped a bit in the process :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 06:31 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: ... Or, if you want an 'unofficial' Ubuntu system install that works (32bit 63bit): 63 bit? Yeah... I was watching the Sharks get wooped by the Blackhawks at the time dropped a bit in the process :-) Thought maybe it was a new version Microsoft had come out with 8-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Installing Seamonkey manually vs via Synaptic / Apt (Ubuntu / Mint)
On Sun, 23 May 2010 15:54:26 -0700, NoOp wrote: On 05/23/2010 02:23 PM, Jens Hatlak wrote: With SeaMonkey versions before 2.0 there were extensions that needed to be installed into the application directory so you needed access to that directory, which usually meant you needed to be root. Starting with version 2.0 SeaMonkey uses the same add-on back-end as recent versions of Firefox which means that you can install all kinds of extensions into your user profile which does not require special privileges. ??? I've been running SM 1.x from a home folder for a very long time still have the latest 1.1.19 installed working from a home folder. Can you please advise which extensions required root access? Note: not a confrontational question, just curious as this is the first I've heard of this. ... Basically all extensions that have default preferences and/or components. All these had to be installed somewhere under the SeaMonkey application directory. You might have chmod'ed your SeaMonkey application directory a long time ago and have forgotten that you did it. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
