Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
EE wrote: Ray Davison wrote: EE wrote: You could also save emails as .eml files and put them into a separate directory anywhere. Why would I want to change the file format? That way, you could save the messages anywhere. They do not have to be in the profile of the email reader. I guess you are late to this thread. A major part of my system is that I store my mail where I want and I do not change the file format. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: EE wrote: You could also save emails as .eml files and put them into a separate directory anywhere. Why would I want to change the file format? That way, you could save the messages anywhere. They do not have to be in the profile of the email reader. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: In case someone doubts hat this system works, below is the body of the first email I received. I still have it. My mail has never been lost. This is cut and paste so it is not the original formatting. * First email 2 June 1997 Regarding whether a version of SM will work with a profile that was created while a different version was running. The above noted message was received in Netscape running under OS/2. I have said do not get rid of an app until you are sure you like the replacement better. I treat OSs the same way. I install the new OS on another partition. By the time I got the above noted message I was booting multiple versions of DOS, W9X and OS/2. My current desktops mostly have WXP and W7 - I have tried W8 and WX and deleted both. And all my HDDs are front panel plugin, The first HDD is OSs only. My OS backups are cloned HDDs and I may have two or three. And then there are trial OS installations on other HDDs. The point is that is a lot of OSs using the same profile and mail files. Changes in the SM app have made changes to the profiles - 1X to 2X being the most obvious. Whenever I ran a new version of the app I had it use the profile I had been using with the prior version. SM made whatever changes were required, even the 1X to 2X. After SM changed the profile for the newer app I may or may not have been able to use that profile for an earlier version of the app. I currently have 2.40, 2.46, 2.48 and 2.50 and am not aware of any issues using the same profile for all of them. BUT, all the discussion I have seen here concerns how to maintain whatever data was in the earlier profile after the new app is running. In two decades of Mozilla suite and SM I have never needed to do anything but; Unzip to a sub-directory to your choice of name and place Create a shortcut with the run line of the form H:\SM250-Win\seamonkey.exe -Profilemanager The above just requires adding a space and "-Profilemanager" to the run line. Run shortcut The above assumes you have already set up you profile(S) with your choice of location and name and created an entry in Profile manager. Replacing or adding a version of SM is just not an issue for concern. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
EE wrote: You could also save emails as .eml files and put them into a separate directory anywhere. Why would I want to change the file format? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And, my profiles - of which I have several - are not vulnerable to app changes because they are not part of the app. And the mail files - of which I have well over a hundred - are not vulnerable to profile changes because they are not part of the profile. How'd you manage that? AFAIK mail files are stored in the profile folder. I have about 5 GB of them, and they're all in my profile folder. Most people treat a computer like a washing machine; turn it on, do what is obvious. That is, they stick with the defaults, which you have done. Be brave, poke at it a bit. I did my current setup in early Netscape. No one showed me anything, I just poked around "under the covers". I have explained it here several times. Once you get the profile out of the app, and the mail out of the profile, you can then place and name all of the sub-directories as you chose. And you can have as many profiles as you wish. I have one that allows me to read existing mail but does not download any new mail. And yes you need to understand sub-directories and files. You could also save emails as .eml files and put them into a separate directory anywhere. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On 6/18/2018 7:01 PM, Ray Davison wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? If you make a copy of the profile, and put it anywhere you want, with any name you want, and add the -Profilemanager switch the shortcut, and create a profile, which is actually the copy you made and named, you will now be using a profile that is not part of the app tree. But most importantly is something, somewhere you control. The profile does not contain the mail, it contains a pointer to the mail. The default points to a location very near. You can move the mail to somewhere very far away. I have all apps on partition H:. I have all profiles in a one sub-directory on I:, and mail in another sub-directory on I:. Okay -- Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics 2.20 GHz 6.00 GB RAM Windows 10 Home 1803 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
WaltS48 wrote: On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? If you make a copy of the profile, and put it anywhere you want, with any name you want, and add the -Profilemanager switch the shortcut, and create a profile, which is actually the copy you made and named, you will now be using a profile that is not part of the app tree. But most importantly is something, somewhere you control. The profile does not contain the mail, it contains a pointer to the mail. The default points to a location very near. You can move the mail to somewhere very far away. I have all apps on partition H:. I have all profiles in a one sub-directory on I:, and mail in another sub-directory on I:. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On 6/18/18 5:51 PM, Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. Isn't the profile already separated from the app? If I uninstall SeaMonkey, then decide to install it again, the data is still there. I'm also curious as to how you separate mail from a profile, without using another profile, which is still accessed by the app. Are you saying the Mail folder isn't in any profile? -- CPU: 3.2 Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor RAM: 8 GiB Graphics: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 OS: Ubuntu Linux 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,, and I haven't lost any data. In case someone doubts hat this system works, below is the body of the first email I received. I still have it. My mail has never been lost. This is cut and paste so it is not the original formatting. * First email 2 June 1997 M A R C _ A N D R E E S S E N Welcome and thank you! Netscape Communicator is the result of innovation, hard work, and your input. It represents our commitment to making it easier for you to access, communicate, and share information, no matter what kind of computer you have. One of my favorite examples of this is Netscape Messenger, an advanced Internet mail client that brings the richness of the Web to your email. At Netscape, we use Web-based mail to work smarter and faster. For example, our Human Resources department emails a benefit enrollment form to all new employees. Employees then submit the form via our intranet, eliminating the paper chase. Check out a similar email form in your Samples message folder. Another way you can take advantage of Messenger's rich Web-based email is with In-Box Direct. This free service lets you choose brand-name content from more than 80 providers. The content ranges from business news to sports scores, from travel specials to gardening tips, and it's delivered automatically to your email in-box. Messenger can help you communicate more effectively: add impact to your messages with fonts, colors, bulleted lists, and tables spell check your messages manage mail with filters and folders read and reply to mail and Internet discussion groups while off-line drop and drag images from Web pages If you're interested in learning more about Messenger and how you can use it as part of your messaging solution, please click here. Thanks for choosing Netscape! Marc Marc Andreessen Senior VP Technology, CTO Netscape Communications ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Felix Miata wrote: Ray Davison composed on 2018-06-16 19:26 (UTC-0700): I treat the app, the profile and email as three separate things. Each is in it's own tree, not connected to the others, but the app points to the profile and the profile points to the mail. Each then is individually controlled. My mail files began life in Netscape, and have never been "lost". Impressive history, similar to mine. I currently have 25 directories in the directory hosting all my profiles. If you keep pressing it long enough, eventually a demon from Firefox devolution will slither in with insufficient warning and bite you. There was a rather recent change (post-2.46 IIRC) in some file format somewhere in each profile that would make going back to some not too old version require restoration of at least one file from backup, or worse. Better to only move up, not back, unless your backup system is well maintained, or you know exactly which file(s) are impacted and proceed accordingly. I fully expect to get bit by such things. But to repeat my response to another post here; My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,, and I haven't lost any data. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: It is quite simple. Sharing profiles with different versions is not supported. The migration code ones knows one way and this is up from lower to higher version. Especially the storage format changes frequently. Check you error console for errors during startup. There are always a few but in case of an older SeaMonkey and newer profile this can result in funky errors. Same for some other options in recent versions. We needed to do bunch of SeaMonkey specific migrations e.g. email image whitelisting in 2.49. Sharing between different OS is also completely unsupported. If it works then fine but some things like Lightning won't. Sure unzipping and running the exe is fine if you don't need accessibility or send mail from external applications under Windows (MAPI). In short: Unless you have very specific needs stay with one version and just backup the profile before upgrading so that you can go back without problems. FRG First, as far as "support", apps are tools. You get a tool and do with it whatever you can. And you might break it. So you then get another or a different one. My main point is, if you separate app, profile and mail, you can break one without effecting the others. I have had a lot of profiles break. I just fix it, get a backup, make a new one,,,. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: There are times when different versions do matter for the profile. For example, there was a time a while back (early in 2.x) I did acknowledge the 1X to 2X change replied to. And, my profiles - of which I have several - are not vulnerable to app changes because they are not part of the app. And the mail files - of which I have well over a hundred - are not vulnerable to profile changes because they are not part of the profile. How'd you manage that? AFAIK mail files are stored in the profile folder. I have about 5 GB of them, and they're all in my profile folder. Most people treat a computer like a washing machine; turn it on, do what is obvious. That is, they stick with the defaults, which you have done. Be brave, poke at it a bit. I did my current setup in early Netscape. No one showed me anything, I just poked around "under the covers". I have explained it here several times. Once you get the profile out of the app, and the mail out of the profile, you can then place and name all of the sub-directories as you chose. And you can have as many profiles as you wish. I have one that allows me to read existing mail but does not download any new mail. And yes you need to understand sub-directories and files. First hint, each mail account points to where the mail files will be stored. And you get to set the pointing. The only profile break was between 1X and 2X, and that was a long time ago. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
It is quite simple. Sharing profiles with different versions is not supported. The migration code ones knows one way and this is up from lower to higher version. Especially the storage format changes frequently. Check you error console for errors during startup. There are always a few but in case of an older SeaMonkey and newer profile this can result in funky errors. Same for some other options in recent versions. We needed to do bunch of SeaMonkey specific migrations e.g. email image whitelisting in 2.49. Sharing between different OS is also completely unsupported. If it works then fine but some things like Lightning won't. Sure unzipping and running the exe is fine if you don't need accessibility or send mail from external applications under Windows (MAPI). In short: Unless you have very specific needs stay with one version and just backup the profile before upgrading so that you can go back without problems. FRG Ray Davison wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: And on Windows the installer,,, I never use the installer, only the zip distros. It is just unzip, create a shortcut and run. And, in case anyone is interested, the FF EXEs are really self extracting zip files. You can unzip them to wherever you want and name their sub-directories anything you want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison composed on 2018-06-16 19:26 (UTC-0700): > I treat the app, the profile and email as three separate things. Each > is in it's own tree, not connected to the others, but the app points to > the profile and the profile points to the mail. Each then is > individually controlled. > My mail files began life in Netscape, and have never been "lost". Impressive history, similar to mine. I currently have 25 directories in the directory hosting all my profiles. If you keep pressing it long enough, eventually a demon from Firefox devolution will slither in with insufficient warning and bite you. There was a rather recent change (post-2.46 IIRC) in some file format somewhere in each profile that would make going back to some not too old version require restoration of at least one file from backup, or worse. Better to only move up, not back, unless your backup system is well maintained, or you know exactly which file(s) are impacted and proceed accordingly. -- "Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Now you can unzip as many versions of SM as you wish and they can all use the same profile. Do not replace an app until you are sure you like the new better than the old. In theory yes but be aware that you can't use different SeaMonkey versions with the same profile. And on Windows the installer registers some dlls (for accessibility and email send from context menu). I suggest doing a full profile backup and then just installing the new version. Everything also is calling for trouble especially if you forget to start with -Profilemanager once. You really should be cautious telling someone he cannot do what he has been doing for a couple decades. Once when searching for the date and time of a bug insertion I had twenty versions sitting on the HDD all available and using the same profile. There are times when different versions do matter for the profile. For example, there was a time a while back (early in 2.x) when the mailbox format was changed, and if you upgraded, the old one was saved with a .corrupt extension and a copy was upgraded and used by the new version. So if the OP has an SM version from before the change and a version from after the change, they really can't use the same profile. I can't promise there will never again be a change that makes a difference. Best practice is to use versions that are as similar as possible, ideally identical. And, my profiles - of which I have several - are not vulnerable to app changes because they are not part of the app. And the mail files - of which I have well over a hundred - are not vulnerable to profile changes because they are not part of the profile. How'd you manage that? AFAIK mail files are stored in the profile folder. I have about 5 GB of them, and they're all in my profile folder. The only profile break was between 1X and 2X, and that was a long time ago. Also I run Win and OS/2 versions SM and they use the same profiles and mail files. Mozilla apps are really very friendly. On that I think we'll all agree. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: And on Windows the installer,,, I never use the installer, only the zip distros. It is just unzip, create a shortcut and run. And, in case anyone is interested, the FF EXEs are really self extracting zip files. You can unzip them to wherever you want and name their sub-directories anything you want. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote: Now you can unzip as many versions of SM as you wish and they can all use the same profile. Do not replace an app until you are sure you like the new better than the old. In theory yes but be aware that you can't use different SeaMonkey versions with the same profile. And on Windows the installer registers some dlls (for accessibility and email send from context menu). I suggest doing a full profile backup and then just installing the new version. Everything also is calling for trouble especially if you forget to start with -Profilemanager once. You really should be cautious telling someone he cannot do what he has been doing for a couple decades. Once when searching for the date and time of a bug insertion I had twenty versions sitting on the HDD all available and using the same profile. And, my profiles - of which I have several - are not vulnerable to app changes because they are not part of the app. And the mail files - of which I have well over a hundred - are not vulnerable to profile changes because they are not part of the profile. The only profile break was between 1X and 2X, and that was a long time ago. Also I run Win and OS/2 versions SM and they use the same profiles and mail files. Mozilla apps are really very friendly. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Now you can unzip as many versions of SM as you wish and they can all use the same profile. Do not replace an app until you are sure you like the new better than the old. In theory yes but be aware that you can't use different SeaMonkey versions with the same profile. And on Windows the installer registers some dlls (for accessibility and email send from context menu). I suggest doing a full profile backup and then just installing the new version. Everything also is calling for trouble especially if you forget to start with -Profilemanager once. FRG Ray Davison wrote: dixvillecl...@gmail.com wrote: Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the previous version. Thanks! Forget the "migrate". Get the profile(s) off to a data area. Get the ZIP file. Unzip to a place of your choice. Create a shortcut with the form H:\SM250-Win\seamonkey.exe -Profilemanager. Now when you run the shortcut it will open to profile manager. Select create a profile, and point to the profile you moved. Now you can unzip as many versions of SM as you wish and they can all use the same profile. Do not replace an app until you are sure you like the new better than the old. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
dixvillecl...@gmail.com wrote on 17/06/2018 12:07 AM: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 9:52:18 AM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote: On 6/16/18 9:29 AM, Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the previous version. Thanks! Yes. -- CPU: 3.2 Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor RAM: 8 GiB Graphics: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 OS: Ubuntu Linux 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop Thanks! But, just to be safe, always handy to back-up your profile, if you are at all worried. ;-) -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171016030418 User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49.1 Build identifier: 20171015235623 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: Get the profile(s) off to a data area. I treat the app, the profile and email as three separate things. Each is in it's own tree, not connected to the others, but the app points to the profile and the profile points to the mail. Each then is individually controlled. My mail files began life in Netscape, and have never been "lost". ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
Ray Davison wrote: Get the ZIP file. http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/seamonkey/releases/2.49.3/win32/en-US/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
dixvillecl...@gmail.com wrote: Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the previous version. Thanks! Forget the "migrate". Get the profile(s) off to a data area. Get the ZIP file. Unzip to a place of your choice. Create a shortcut with the form H:\SM250-Win\seamonkey.exe -Profilemanager. Now when you run the shortcut it will open to profile manager. Select create a profile, and point to the profile you moved. Now you can unzip as many versions of SM as you wish and they can all use the same profile. Do not replace an app until you are sure you like the new better than the old. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
The official release of SeaMonkey, is SeaMonkey 2.49.3, NOT SeaMonkey 2.49.4, in a Microsoft Windows 10 Home, 64-bit Operating System, and I use SeaMonkey 2.49.3. Lloyd F. Frazier Wichita, Kansas, United States of America From: support-seamonkey on behalf of dixvillecl...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2018 8:29 AM To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Manual installation of 2.49.3 Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the previous version. Thanks! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 9:52:18 AM UTC-4, WaltS48 wrote: > On 6/16/18 9:29 AM, > > Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my > > old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little > > gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the > > previous version. Thanks! > > > > Yes. > > -- > CPU: 3.2 Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor > RAM: 8 GiB > Graphics: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 > OS: Ubuntu Linux 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop Thanks! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Manual installation of 2.49.3
On 6/16/18 9:29 AM, dixvillecl...@gmail.com wrote: Just to confirm - doing the manual install from 2.46 to 2.49.4 - all of my old emails will be migrated to the new version, yes? I'm just a little gun-shy when I'm asked to confirm that I want to install by "replacing" the previous version. Thanks! Yes. -- CPU: 3.2 Ghz AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor RAM: 8 GiB Graphics: GeForce GT 630/PCIe/SSE2 OS: Ubuntu Linux 16.04LTS - Unity Desktop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
