Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Reiner Schug]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

It is the usual spiel. Abuse bla bla bla and we won't have this. Even with irc
you can kick and moderate users. This is imho just another attempt to silence
opinions they don't like. Bet the newsgroups will follow.


You can also /ignore users and when you (mozilla.org) have control over
all the servers on a network you can implement whatever
blocking / auth features you want.

Only the devs need a backlog. Is it too hard to use a bouncer?

Mozilla mission:
"Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource,
open and accessible to all."

cool.. and then use Slack as communication channel..

It's sad how Firefox is almost unusable now for me..
- stupid preferences UI
- kill many easily accssible add-ons from the toolbar by banning them
   into the right top corner
- no longer show the protocol in the urlbar
- no longer show the main menu
- removed stuff from the right click menu

:/

ciao..





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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Daniel]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote on 29/04/2019 6:15 PM:

Reiner Schug wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no

SeaMonkey in

the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't
have

the time

to support paid people.

Mozilla is completely nuts...

now they will shutdown their IRC servers, because "In short, it’s
no longer practical or responsible for us to keep that forum
alive."

http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/

they have millions of $$$, morons... next: shutdown newsgroups?

tell me where I can help, 20+ years using SM, Mozilla Suite,
Netscape C/C++/Web

ciao..



I read the article you linked to and you seem to have missed the
point. Quoting from it:


Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine! A: IRC is not
fine.

Q: Seriously? You’re kidding, right? A: I’m dead serious.


The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and
 yes - spam is part of that.

Gee, if we closed things down because of SPAM, we'd close IRC, E-mail 
and Web Browsing  oh, and Snail Mail as well!! ;-P


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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[GerardJan]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:

Reiner,

please send me an email.

FRG

Reiner Schug wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

...

    Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine!
    A: IRC is not fine.

...
The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and
yes - spam is part of that.



A: IRC is not fine.

new Q: WTF is wrong with IRC? Explain.

Why not make a fucking FaceBook Group instead?

"to work in an environment that we can’t make sure is healthy, safe and 
productive."


Oh my god! Like we need a kindergarden...


not for me, i am not injected for the measles !



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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

It is the usual spiel. Abuse bla bla bla and we won't have this. Even with irc 
you can kick and moderate users. This is imho just another attempt to silence 
opinions they don't like. Bet the newsgroups will follow.


FRG

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:
The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and yes - 
spam is part of that.

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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Reiner,

please send me an email.

FRG

Reiner Schug wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

...

    Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine!
    A: IRC is not fine.

...
The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and
yes - spam is part of that.



A: IRC is not fine.

new Q: WTF is wrong with IRC? Explain.

Why not make a fucking FaceBook Group instead?

"to work in an environment that we can’t make sure is healthy, safe and 
productive."


Oh my god! Like we need a kindergarden...

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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Reiner Schug]

Don Spam's Reckless Son wrote:

...

Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine!
A: IRC is not fine.

...
The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and
yes - spam is part of that.



A: IRC is not fine.

new Q: WTF is wrong with IRC? Explain.

Why not make a fucking FaceBook Group instead?

"to work in an environment that we can’t make sure is healthy, safe and 
productive."

Oh my god! Like we need a kindergarden...

ciao
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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Reiner Schug wrote:

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
 > What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no 
SeaMonkey in
 > the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't have 
the time

 > to support paid people.
Mozilla is completely nuts...

now they will shutdown their IRC servers, because
"In short, it’s no longer practical or responsible for us to keep that 
forum alive."


http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/

they have millions of $$$, morons...
next: shutdown newsgroups?

tell me where I can help, 20+ years using SM, Mozilla Suite, Netscape
C/C++/Web

ciao..



I read the article you linked to and you seem to have missed the point. 
Quoting from it:



Q: Why are we moving away from IRC? IRC is fine!
A: IRC is not fine.

Q: Seriously? You’re kidding, right?
A: I’m dead serious. 


The rest of the article explains why this is to be considered so, and 
yes - spam is part of that.


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Re: Staying alive - how can I help?

[Reiner Schug]

Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no SeaMonkey in
> the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't have the time
> to support paid people.
Mozilla is completely nuts...

now they will shutdown their IRC servers, because
"In short, it’s no longer practical or responsible for us to keep that forum 
alive."

http://exple.tive.org/blarg/2019/04/26/synchronous-text/

they have millions of $$$, morons...
next: shutdown newsgroups?

tell me where I can help, 20+ years using SM, Mozilla Suite, Netscape
C/C++/Web

ciao..

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Re: Staying alive

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

What is needed mostly are helping hands. No volunteers/devs no SeaMonkey in 
the long term. You can only do so much with money if you don't have the time 
to support paid people.


The plan is to discontinue 2.49 after 2.49.5. 2.49.5 is more or less at ESR 
60.2. Further backporting is too costly right now.
I am now somehwere around ESR60.3 with 2.53 and some patches up to current 
trunk are in to. Looking what is missing wrt l10n to get this into release 
shape after 2.49.5.


Imho overall the source is in better shape than it ever was. It is just not 
enough because you are working against people who don't care and rip out what 
they don't like. They may call it a plan. I don't.


FRG

WaltS48 wrote:
There aren't enough developers and they probably could use some financial 
help. I think they are putting in a valiant effort but may be facing a bit of 
burnout.

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Re: Staying alive

[Richmond]

 Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> I've been using 2.49.5 64 bit version from Bill since January.  Seems to
> be fine and he has not done any updates since then.
> Spending his time on 2.53 and 2.57  which I have not tried.

I am concerned that there have been no security updates to comm-esr52
since feb or so. Firefox esr has moved on several places since then.
Maybe none of these apply to the SM code? Maybe SM has others which
don't apply to firefox?


 # Fixed in Firefox ESR 60.6.1

2019-10 Security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox 60.6.1

# Fixed in Firefox ESR 60.6

2019-08 Security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox ESR 60.6

# Fixed in Firefox ESR 60.5.1

2019-05 Security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox ESR 60.5.1

# Fixed in Firefox ESR 60.5

2019-02 Security vulnerabilities fixed in Firefox ESR 60.5
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Re: Staying alive

[ Mr . Ed  via support-seamonkey]

  
  
On 04/23/19 9:13 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 4/23/19
  6:34 PM, Ray_Net wrote:
  
  Reiner Schug wrote on 23-04-19 22:09:

Hi!
  
  
  Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.
  
  
  All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.
  
  
  It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
  
  The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.
  
  
  Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
  
  Keep up the good work.
  
  
  ciao...
  
  

Why did you say that? SeaMonkey will die?

  
  
  Well, SeaMonkey 2.49.x based on Firefox 52ESR has been out since
  October 2017. The current official version 2.49.4 since July 2018
  still based on 52ESR.
  
  
  The last beta was 2.48b1 from April 2017.
  
  
  "[comm-beta]:
  
  
      We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
  
      Do not use any current comm-beta based release.
  
      See bug 1452448 for current comm-central breakages."
  
  
  REF:

  
  Version 2.49.5 is delayed while they build up the new
  infrastructure.
  
  
  REF:

  
  Meanwhile they are hard at work on 2.57 based on 60 ESR. Probably
  also delayed while they build up the new infrastructure.
  
  
  There aren't enough developers and they probably could use some
  financial help. I think they are putting in a valiant effort but
  may be facing a bit of burnout.
  
  
  There are unofficial 2.49.5 and 2.53 builds from Bill.
  
  


I've been using 2.49.5 64 bit version from Bill since January. 
Seems to be fine and he has not done any updates since then.
Spending his time on 2.53 and 2.57  which I have not tried.
  
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Re: Staying alive

[Ant via support-seamonkey]

Ditto. :)

On 4/23/2019 1:09 PM, Reiner Schug wrote:

Hi!

Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.

All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.

It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.

Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
Keep up the good work.

ciao...

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Re: Staying alive

[WaltS48]

On 4/23/19 6:34 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

Reiner Schug wrote on 23-04-19 22:09:

Hi!

Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.

All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.

It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.

Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
Keep up the good work.

ciao...


Why did you say that? SeaMonkey will die?


Well, SeaMonkey 2.49.x based on Firefox 52ESR has been out since October 
2017. The current official version 2.49.4 since July 2018 still based on 
52ESR.


The last beta was 2.48b1 from April 2017.

"[comm-beta]:

We currently do not track nor update comm-beta.
Do not use any current comm-beta based release.
See bug 1452448 for current comm-central breakages."

REF: 



Version 2.49.5 is delayed while they build up the new infrastructure.

REF: 



Meanwhile they are hard at work on 2.57 based on 60 ESR. Probably also 
delayed while they build up the new infrastructure.


There aren't enough developers and they probably could use some 
financial help. I think they are putting in a valiant effort but may be 
facing a bit of burnout.


There are unofficial 2.49.5 and 2.53 builds from Bill.

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Re: Staying alive

[GerardJan]

Jim S wrote:

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:09:27 +0200, Reiner Schug wrote:


Hi!

Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.

All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.

It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.

Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
Keep up the good work.

ciao...


Agreed.
I normally use Firefox because it's the 'best of the rest', but it has been
'doctored' for no good reason and spoiled as a result.
If only SM was available on Android I would use it like a shot.



it is a pity that i cannot use *SM* on my /iPAD/, i have only 32GBytes of flash 
memory...


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Re: Staying alive

[Jim S]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 22:09:27 +0200, Reiner Schug wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.
> 
> All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.
> 
> It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
> The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.
> 
> Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
> Keep up the good work.
> 
> ciao...

Agreed.
I normally use Firefox because it's the 'best of the rest', but it has been
'doctored' for no good reason and spoiled as a result.
If only SM was available on Android I would use it like a shot.
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Re: Staying alive

[Reiner Schug]

Ray_Net wrote:
> > ...
> > Why did you say that? SeaMonkey will die?

The internet as we knew it is slowly dying.
Seamonkey is the only survivor.

ciao...

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Re: Staying alive

[Ray_Net]

Reiner Schug wrote on 23-04-19 22:09:

Hi!

Please, Seamonkey - stay alive.

All other Browsers fucked up their UI / Prefs / Privacy.

It already smelled when Goodger forked Phoenix/Firebird...
The UI fucked up... then he went to Google.

Seamonkey is the only Browser I trust.
Keep up the good work.

ciao...


Why did you say that? SeaMonkey will die?
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