Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-23 Thread JanWillem

JoeS wrote:

On 12/19/2008 11:48 AM, JanWillem wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JanWillem wrote:


How do I enable JS in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 Mail/News?

The only thing that still works is the music/video script. snipped


Due to security reasons, JS in messages is deactivated for the moment.
A hidden option to get it back will be added again, but it was more
important to ensure the security of users for the moment.

Robert Kaiser


Thanks, Robert; I hope the option to use JS in Mail/News SM-2.0a2/3 will
be put back very soon so users can decide for themselves.

With web sites (and not to forget servers + interest/influence of
governments) trying more and more to take over the spammer's role.
snipped

Nanny



Hi Nanny,
The issue will be resolved here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453928

David Ascher's (Thunderbird) opinion can be found here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=453943


Hi Joe, thanks: Mozilla info, be it technical- or Mozilla
management-wise is scattered all over the place. More about that another
time.

Most of the Dev's have absolutely no idea about the multimedia 
community, and what they are about.

I have made it my business to try to inform them about it.


Please, do go on with your multimedia-info-action;-)

I don't put the blame on certain devs: too easy.

Do you remember how long it took to get the marquee tag enabled by 
default in Gecko browsers ?

And an even longer time to get it fully enabled in Mailnews.



H, I remember an awful lot;-)


Have a great Christmas season Nanny, hope to see you soon in a MM 
friendly newsgroup, with a capable Mailnews client.


Over and over again I read that Mitchel Baker and paid co-workers are
very, very eager to collect as much using (and not user-) data as possible.
With Tb and SM belonging to Mozilla, MTMM  *is*  the right News-Group
to try out MultiMedia in Mail/News. I really wouldn't know how to do so
in ChatZilla or one of the forums.

In the meantime to all: enjoy your holidays!

Nanny

P.S. would be nice to see a MM holiday mail from you in MTMM;-)
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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-20 Thread Robert Kaiser

JoeS wrote:

Glad to see that Robert's POV as stated above is more positive towards
our desired resolution.


You're probably misunderstanding me there, I for myself would not be 
opposed to making scripts and plugins completely unavailable from email, 
or even killing HTML mail at all. But then, this is not about my 
opinion, this is about what will be implemented.
I still think we should remove the UI for enabling scripts and plugins 
in mailnews, as the security risks are higher then the merit, and those 
who need it can find it in about:config.



Do you remember how long it took to get the marquee tag enabled by
default in Gecko browsers ?


I still personally think that was a large mistake, but then, it was 
done, so whatever.


Robert Kaiser
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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Mullen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JoeS wrote:

Glad to see that Robert's POV as stated above is more positive towards
our desired resolution.


You're probably misunderstanding me there, I for myself would not be
opposed to making scripts and plugins completely unavailable from email,
or even killing HTML mail at all.


Virtually every email I receive is HTML.  Doing away with HTML mail 
would be putting SM users totally out of touch with the real world.


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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-20 Thread Robert Kaiser

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JoeS wrote:

Glad to see that Robert's POV as stated above is more positive towards
our desired resolution.


You're probably misunderstanding me there, I for myself would not be
opposed to making scripts and plugins completely unavailable from email,
or even killing HTML mail at all.


Virtually every email I receive is HTML. Doing away with HTML mail would
be putting SM users totally out of touch with the real world.


Oh, I didn't say I want to remove HTMl mail support from SeaMonkey. I 
said I wouldn't oppose killing HTML mail, meaning completely, in the 
whole world.


As that's not happening, and we all know that, I'm very glad I can use 
View  Message Body As  Plain Text in SeaMonkey and can read hundreds 
of mails, newsgroup posts and feed entries with my own consistent font 
settings so that my eyes don't start to hurt :)


Robert Kaiser
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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-20 Thread Ed Mullen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JoeS wrote:

Glad to see that Robert's POV as stated above is more positive towards
our desired resolution.


You're probably misunderstanding me there, I for myself would not be
opposed to making scripts and plugins completely unavailable from email,
or even killing HTML mail at all.


Virtually every email I receive is HTML. Doing away with HTML mail would
be putting SM users totally out of touch with the real world.


Oh, I didn't say I want to remove HTMl mail support from SeaMonkey. I
said I wouldn't oppose killing HTML mail, meaning completely, in the
whole world.


LOL.  Ok then!

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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-19 Thread JanWillem

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JanWillem wrote:


How do I enable JS in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 Mail/News?

The only thing that still works is the music/video script. All other
scripts that always used to work, even in SeaMonkey 2 pre, don't work
work any longer in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 on my Mac.


Due to security reasons, JS in messages is deactivated for the moment. A 
hidden option to get it back will be added again, but it was more 
important to ensure the security of users for the moment.


Robert Kaiser


Thanks, Robert; I hope the option to use JS in Mail/News SM-2.0a2/3 
will be put back very soon so users can decide for themselves.


With web sites (and not to forget servers + interest/influence of
governments) trying more and more to take over the spammer's role, I
wonder why the SM browser has JS and cookies enabled by default: HTLM,
JS, Flash, Ajax and the likes work perfectly well in the browser as is.

Turning JS on/off in Mail/News is done in a jiffy.
Turning JS on/off in browsers, not only SM, is just the beginning of a 
lot more (not so obvious) to do, to make the browsers more secure.


Nanny

















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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-19 Thread Ed Mullen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JanWillem wrote:


How do I enable JS in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 Mail/News?

The only thing that still works is the music/video script. All other
scripts that always used to work, even in SeaMonkey 2 pre, don't work
work any longer in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 on my Mac.


Due to security reasons, JS in messages is deactivated for the moment. A
hidden option to get it back will be added again, but it was more
important to ensure the security of users for the moment.

Robert Kaiser


What am I missing here?  Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Scripts  
Plugins still has the check box for JavaScript in Mai  Newsgroups.


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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-19 Thread Robert Kaiser

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JanWillem wrote:


How do I enable JS in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 Mail/News?

The only thing that still works is the music/video script. All other
scripts that always used to work, even in SeaMonkey 2 pre, don't work
work any longer in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 on my Mac.


Due to security reasons, JS in messages is deactivated for the moment. A
hidden option to get it back will be added again, but it was more
important to ensure the security of users for the moment.

Robert Kaiser


What am I missing here? Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Scripts 
Plugins still has the check box for JavaScript in Mai  Newsgroups.


If there's a checkbox in UI, that doesn't mean that it actually works.

Robert Kaiser
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Re: ping SeaMonkey Councel

2008-12-19 Thread Ed Mullen

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

JanWillem wrote:


How do I enable JS in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 Mail/News?

The only thing that still works is the music/video script. All other
scripts that always used to work, even in SeaMonkey 2 pre, don't work
work any longer in seamonkey-2.0a2/3 on my Mac.


Due to security reasons, JS in messages is deactivated for the moment. A
hidden option to get it back will be added again, but it was more
important to ensure the security of users for the moment.

Robert Kaiser


What am I missing here? Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Scripts 
Plugins still has the check box for JavaScript in Mai  Newsgroups.


If there's a checkbox in UI, that doesn't mean that it actually works.

Robert Kaiser


Thanks, Robert.

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