Vulnerability (CVE-2015-4517) recurs in Seamonkey 2.35

2018-05-30 Thread 邓之珺
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Dear Sir/Madam:
I am a student from Huazhong University of Science and Technology, and I am 
doing some research about how to find vulnerabilities automatically. I have 
done some tests with Firefox bug commits. And I found that some vulnerable code 
of Firefox (related to CVE-2015-4517)appeared in the version 2.35 of Seamonkey. 
I'm just wondering if this means that the vulnerability of Firefox 
(CVE-2015-4517)recur in Seamonkey 2.35. If not, is it fixed in another way?
Thanks for your time, I'll appreciate it very much if you can give an 
answer.









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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2016-11-18 Thread Gérard

On 09/15/2015 10:44 AM, Ant wrote:

According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


Did you try to see, if this also happens with one of my builds here:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
?


No, but Walt said it is not fixed as shown in mentioned
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1200021 ? Or is there a bug
report of this issue? I'll be happy to use a prerelease with this fix
and if it is stable overall.


Sad. The 1200021 bug report hasn't changed since I last updated it even though I
was willing to help to test it. :(


it works with my XP version 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-23 Thread cetega23
On Thursday, September 3, 2015 at 8:14:40 AM UTC-7, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
> to special.)
> 
> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
> 
> So update your copy now!
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

Nice, big thanks for the support! After Opera started going in a direction I 
didn't care for, Seamonkey went from being a backup option to my full time 
primary browser. I look forward to using it for a long time to come.

On a side note, please don't ever get rid of the drop-down address bar the way 
other browsers are doing, haha. I use it constantly.
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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-16 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

On 09/15/2015 10:17 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't
recall installing anything.



Maybe your distro included it by default?  Latest versions of Ubuntu and
Mint did not, so I had to install it separately.



HAL was dropped several years ago in Ubuntu. It only became an issue in
hulu when they changed the DRM on their ads a couple of weeks ago. It
work one had then didn't the next. It would hang upon starting the first
ad. Install in hal package fixed it, but not sure how long hal will be
available, because now it is only available via a PPA:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mjblenner/ppa-hal && sudo apt-get update &&
sudo apt-get install hal



Considering how EVERYONE is trying to phase out Flash, I wonder why Hulu
even bothered.



Why does Netfix STILL use Silverlight in FF/SM (although they say it 
will gr switched over soon)?


DRM (Downright Ruined Media) harass legitimate users while 
inconsequential to pirates.


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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-16 Thread WaltS48

On 09/15/2015 08:15 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

On 09/15/2015 10:17 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't
recall installing anything.



Maybe your distro included it by default?  Latest versions of Ubuntu and
Mint did not, so I had to install it separately.




My distro is Linux Mint 17.2.

While looking through my Software Manager application for something 
else, I came across adobe-flash-properties-gtk and 
adobe-flash-properties-kde both not installed. Both packages provide a 
control panel for the Flash plugin.


Not installing them, but maybe you want to have a look.

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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-16 Thread Cruz, Jaime

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

On 09/15/2015 10:17 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't
recall installing anything.



Maybe your distro included it by default?  Latest versions of Ubuntu and
Mint did not, so I had to install it separately.



HAL was dropped several years ago in Ubuntu. It only became an issue in
hulu when they changed the DRM on their ads a couple of weeks ago. It
work one had then didn't the next. It would hang upon starting the first
ad. Install in hal package fixed it, but not sure how long hal will be
available, because now it is only available via a PPA:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mjblenner/ppa-hal && sudo apt-get update &&
sudo apt-get install hal



Considering how EVERYONE is trying to phase out Flash, I wonder why Hulu 
even bothered.


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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-16 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

On 09/15/2015 10:17 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't
recall installing anything.



Maybe your distro included it by default?  Latest versions of Ubuntu and
Mint did not, so I had to install it separately.



HAL was dropped several years ago in Ubuntu. It only became an issue in 
hulu when they changed the DRM on their ads a couple of weeks ago. It 
work one had then didn't the next. It would hang upon starting the first 
ad. Install in hal package fixed it, but not sure how long hal will be 
available, because now it is only available via a PPA:


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mjblenner/ppa-hal && sudo apt-get update && 
sudo apt-get install hal


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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-15 Thread Cruz, Jaime

On 09/15/2015 10:17 AM, WaltS48 wrote:


Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't
recall installing anything.



Maybe your distro included it by default?  Latest versions of Ubuntu and 
Mint did not, so I had to install it separately.


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-15 Thread Ant

According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


Did you try to see, if this also happens with one of my builds here:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/
?


No, but Walt said it is not fixed as shown in mentioned
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1200021 ? Or is there a bug
report of this issue? I'll be happy to use a prerelease with this fix
and if it is stable overall.


Sad. The 1200021 bug report hasn't changed since I last updated it even 
though I was willing to help to test it. :(

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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-15 Thread WaltS48

On 09/14/2015 11:12 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

On 09/14/2015 09:03 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/14/2015 06:53 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox;
hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:

http://tinyurl.com/59gyz




So if you set the settings for it in Firefox, won't they be the same in
SeaMonkey? The Flash plugin is shared between the two since it is
installed at
the OS level, and not in the apps.

BTW the link doesn't open in any of my Firefox versions, even in safe
mode, or
SM 2.35 with a test profile. Hangs on "Connecting to
wwwimages2.dev04.adobe.com"
after taking forever on "Transferring data from "use.typekit.com".


Same here


I found an easier way to accomplish the same thing.  Exit all instances
of Seamonkey, then delete the .adobe/Flash_Player folder.  Get back into
Seamonkey and everything has been reset.

In case anyone is interested, I installed the hardware extraction layer
that allows you to play Hulu videos under Linux.  I couldn't get the
page to work even after I installed the software until I deleted that
folder which seems to be the easiest and fastest way to delete all the
old settings.  Now I can watch Hulu under Linux (and I THINK Amazon
videos work too).

Oddly enough, the pepper flash player in the Linux version of Chrome
will NOT work. You need the original npapi plug-in version of Flash that
works in Seamonkey or Firefox.



Hardware extraction layer?

I've been using Hulu (not Hulu Plus) on Linux for years, and don't 
recall installing anything.


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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-14 Thread WaltS48

On 09/14/2015 06:53 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox;
hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:

http://tinyurl.com/59gyz




So if you set the settings for it in Firefox, won't they be the same in 
SeaMonkey? The Flash plugin is shared between the two since it is 
installed at the OS level, and not in the apps.


BTW the link doesn't open in any of my Firefox versions, even in safe 
mode, or SM 2.35 with a test profile. Hangs on "Connecting to 
wwwimages2.dev04.adobe.com" after taking forever on "Transferring data 
from "use.typekit.com".


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Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-14 Thread Cruz, Jaime
Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox; 
hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:


http://tinyurl.com/59gyz

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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-14 Thread Cruz, Jaime

On 09/14/2015 07:24 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/14/2015 06:53 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox;
hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:

http://tinyurl.com/59gyz




So if you set the settings for it in Firefox, won't they be the same in
SeaMonkey? The Flash plugin is shared between the two since it is
installed at the OS level, and not in the apps.

BTW the link doesn't open in any of my Firefox versions, even in safe
mode, or SM 2.35 with a test profile. Hangs on "Connecting to
wwwimages2.dev04.adobe.com" after taking forever on "Transferring data
from "use.typekit.com".

Firefox and Seamonkey are on two different machines, so I can't use the 
one to set the other, unfortunately.


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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-14 Thread Arnie Goetchius
WaltS48 wrote:
> On 09/14/2015 06:53 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
>> Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox;
>> hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/59gyz
>>
> 
> 
> So if you set the settings for it in Firefox, won't they be the same in
> SeaMonkey? The Flash plugin is shared between the two since it is installed at
> the OS level, and not in the apps.
> 
> BTW the link doesn't open in any of my Firefox versions, even in safe mode, or
> SM 2.35 with a test profile. Hangs on "Connecting to 
> wwwimages2.dev04.adobe.com"
> after taking forever on "Transferring data from "use.typekit.com".
> 
Same here
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Re: Adobe Flash Settings page hangs in Seamonkey 2.35

2015-09-14 Thread Cruz, Jaime

On 09/14/2015 09:03 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote:

WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/14/2015 06:53 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Ubuntu Linux Trusty, 64-bit.  Works just fine with the latest Firefox;
hangs up and never loads under Seamonkey 2.35:

http://tinyurl.com/59gyz




So if you set the settings for it in Firefox, won't they be the same in
SeaMonkey? The Flash plugin is shared between the two since it is installed at
the OS level, and not in the apps.

BTW the link doesn't open in any of my Firefox versions, even in safe mode, or
SM 2.35 with a test profile. Hangs on "Connecting to wwwimages2.dev04.adobe.com"
after taking forever on "Transferring data from "use.typekit.com".


Same here

I found an easier way to accomplish the same thing.  Exit all instances 
of Seamonkey, then delete the .adobe/Flash_Player folder.  Get back into 
Seamonkey and everything has been reset.


In case anyone is interested, I installed the hardware extraction layer 
that allows you to play Hulu videos under Linux.  I couldn't get the 
page to work even after I installed the software until I deleted that 
folder which seems to be the easiest and fastest way to delete all the 
old settings.  Now I can watch Hulu under Linux (and I THINK Amazon 
videos work too).


Oddly enough, the pepper flash player in the Linux version of Chrome 
will NOT work. You need the original npapi plug-in version of Flash that 
works in Seamonkey or Firefox.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-10 Thread Ant

On 9/5/2015 6:39 AM, Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

...

I use PrefBar, and it still works.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-10 Thread sean

On 09/05/2015 06:39 AM, Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf




Seamonkey hit Ubuntuzilla overnight, updated mine this morning... along 
with an updated version of Lightning... 4.0b6, but it appears disabled 
for the moment.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-10 Thread sean

On 09/10/2015 12:10 PM, NoOp wrote:

On 09/10/2015 09:21 AM, sean wrote:

On 09/05/2015 06:39 AM, Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf




Seamonkey hit Ubuntuzilla overnight, updated mine this morning... along
with an updated version of Lightning... 4.0b6, but it appears disabled
for the moment.

sean



Install 4.0.2
Lightning   4.0.2   true{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/

You can always check the versions here:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions


just finished doing so here... Seamonkey offered to download and update 
to the 4.0b6 version of Lightning... which wasn't compatible... strange...

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-10 Thread NoOp
On 09/10/2015 12:19 PM, sean wrote:
> On 09/10/2015 12:10 PM, NoOp wrote:
>> On 09/10/2015 09:21 AM, sean wrote:
>>> On 09/05/2015 06:39 AM, Wolf wrote:
>>>> Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
>>>> SeaMonkey alive.
>>>>
>>>> My question:
>>>> Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
>>>> *Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?
>>>>
>>>> Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Wolf
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seamonkey hit Ubuntuzilla overnight, updated mine this morning... along
>>> with an updated version of Lightning... 4.0b6, but it appears disabled
>>> for the moment.
>>>
>>> sean
>>>
>>
>> Install 4.0.2
>> Lightning4.0.2   true{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/
>>
>> You can always check the versions here:
>> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions
> 
> just finished doing so here... Seamonkey offered to download and update 
> to the 4.0b6 version of Lightning... which wasn't compatible... strange...
> 

Yeah, I had the same issue with all of my linux versions (downloaded
from Adrian's builds on http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/#2.35
/
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.35/contrib/seamonkey-2.35.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2

Maybe a build issue as I _think_ the build calls out the next version to
use. The build was stagnant for a long time, so perhaps the correct
version was 4.0b6 previously?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-10 Thread NoOp
On 09/10/2015 09:21 AM, sean wrote:
> On 09/05/2015 06:39 AM, Wolf wrote:
>> Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
>> SeaMonkey alive.
>>
>> My question:
>> Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
>> *Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?
>>
>> Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.
>>
>> Regards
>> Wolf
>>
> 
> 
> Seamonkey hit Ubuntuzilla overnight, updated mine this morning... along 
> with an updated version of Lightning... 4.0b6, but it appears disabled 
> for the moment.
> 
> sean
> 

Install 4.0.2
Lightning   4.0.2   true{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/lightning/

You can always check the versions here:
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-09 Thread Brian Mailman

David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/6/2015 4:16 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/06/2015 06:45 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

humptydumpty wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


I'm stoked also because the issue regarding the viewing of binary files
in newsgroups has been fixed in this version. Running SM 2.35 on a
Windows 10 system.

Thanks to the team for their great work.


What issue regarding the viewing of binary files in newsgroups?

B/



<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776>



Some news servers strip away binaries from newsgroup messages except in
newsgroups that have "binary" in their names.  Other server simply block
such messages.  No code in a news reader application (e.g., SeaMonkey,
Thunderbird) can compensate for that.


Got it, thanks.  It's been a long time since I was a regular in 
alt.config.  That's as it should be.


B/




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-09 Thread Wolf

Wolf wrote:

EE schrieb:

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.



Lightning & PrefBar work.  I don't use BetterPrivacy.


BetterPrivacy seems to be working for me.


I will try
Lightning 4.0.2 multilingual for SeaMonkey 2.35 – 2.35.*
PrefBar 7.0.0
BetterPrivacy Mod 1.68.m


The above mentioned Add-ons are working with Seamonkey 2.35

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-08 Thread Alex Beauroy

On 3. 9. 2015 17.14 goź., Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

I am deeply moved to see SeaMonkey going on!!! I am proud of the 
wonderful work of the team!!!

With all my gratitude!!!
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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Ant

On 9/7/2015 1:41 AM, Adrian Kalla wrote:


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


Did you try to see, if this also happens with one of my builds here:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/ ?


No, but Walt said it is not fixed as shown in mentioned 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1200021 ? Or is there a bug 
report of this issue? I'll be happy to use a prerelease with this fix 
and if it is stable overall.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Neil

Philipp van Hüllen wrote:

1.5 days at work (Win7) and 3rd day at home (MacOS10.10): No problem 
seen, some fixes observed, and it actually feels faster/smoother at 
some points. Nice job. :-)


This might be because this is using the newer VS2013 compiler rather 
than the previous release that used the VS2010 compiler. Or it might 
just be down to general code improvements, I guess.


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Ant

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903
in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903
in safe mode with the new profile.


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


FYI.
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6f845258-9280-494a-a806-5628c2150906
for a crash dump with a brand new profile and in safe mode. :(


And you don't believe the bug report listed in that crash report?

[1200021 – crash in
mozilla::layers::ContentClientDoubleBuffered::FinalizeFrame(nsIntRegion
const&)]


It looks like the same. I will add my two cents. Thanks.
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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Adrian Kalla
W dniu 09/07/2015 o 01:11 AM, Ant pisze:
fe mode with the new profile.
>>
>> According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
>> for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.
> 
> I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
> there are foreign languages' characters like on
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
> etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
> It's not like I can read them. :(

Did you try to see, if this also happens with one of my builds here:
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/ ?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Neil

EE wrote:

I am not seeing the vertical lines.  Of course, I use third-party 
themes, but I would still expect to see them.


SeaMonkey 2.33 didn't show the lines at all because of bug 1083501 
(fixed in bug 1105105). Otherwise the lines are drawn by the theme, so 
it's vaguely possible that your third-party theme doesn't support them, 
in which case you should try the Modern theme for comparison purposes.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread Neil

Brian Mailman wrote:


What issue regarding the viewing of binary files in newsgroups?


Firefox has a new cache subsystem. Unfortunately the newsgroup code is 
not compatible with it and so images in HTML news posts do not display. 
As an interim measure we've disabled the new cache so that those posts 
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread bgr . tpl
Am Donnerstag, 3. September 2015 17:14:40 UTC+2 schrieb Edmund Wong:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
> to special.)
> 
> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
> 
> So update your copy now!
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

Sorry, i can not find kontact of SeaMonkey. I have a Problem. SeaMonkey 2.35 
ist korrupt. After download E-Mail come Repert-List. Computer freeze. dead. no 
working.
I have reset to SeaMonkey 2.33.1, is stabil and ok.
Automatische Update of 2,35 i can not stopp. After day news Update of 2.35. I 
reset of 2.33.1 (new install).
What Problem SeaMonkey 2,35?
thank (i can't english )
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-07 Thread EE

Neil wrote:

EE wrote:


I am not seeing the vertical lines.  Of course, I use third-party
themes, but I would still expect to see them.


SeaMonkey 2.33 didn't show the lines at all because of bug 1083501
(fixed in bug 1105105). Otherwise the lines are drawn by the theme, so
it's vaguely possible that your third-party theme doesn't support them,
in which case you should try the Modern theme for comparison purposes.

I suppose I shall have to start using the default theme as my gold 
standard instead of Early Blue.  That one worked so well in the past, 
but it has not been updated recently.  An older theme which has not been 
updated officially for years, but which I tweaked to make it work, still 
shows the vertical lines.


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Ant wrote:


 crashes too. I
wonder if it is because of the foreign characters. :(


Plays fine here on Win7 SP1, SM 2.33.1 after a brief pause to load.

Of course, M$ discontinued support for that 12-year-old operating system 
a while back, so...


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread Ant

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903
in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903

in safe mode with the new profile.


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


FYI. 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6f845258-9280-494a-a806-5628c2150906 
for a crash dump with a brand new profile and in safe mode. :(

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread WaltS48

On 09/06/2015 06:45 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:

humptydumpty wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


I'm stoked also because the issue regarding the viewing of binary files
in newsgroups has been fixed in this version. Running SM 2.35 on a
Windows 10 system.

Thanks to the team for their great work.


What issue regarding the viewing of binary files in newsgroups?

B/



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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread WaltS48

On 09/06/2015 07:21 PM, Ant wrote:

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903

in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903


in safe mode with the new profile.


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when
there are foreign languages' characters like on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn ,
etc. Is there a way to block these foreign characters to avoid crashes?
It's not like I can read them. :(


FYI.
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/6f845258-9280-494a-a806-5628c2150906
for a crash dump with a brand new profile and in safe mode. :(



And you don't believe the bug report listed in that crash report?

[1200021 – crash in 
mozilla::layers::ContentClientDoubleBuffered::FinalizeFrame(nsIntRegion 
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes Complements

2015-09-06 Thread Ant

On 9/6/2015 11:31 AM, David E. Ross wrote:


https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2015/09/06/seamonkey-2-35-release-notes-complements/



In th blog, the link to "List of bugs that still existed in 2:33
SeaMonkey, but are fixed in 2.35" gives a page that says "The search
named SM2.35 ReallyFixed does not exist."



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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread Ant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 crashes too. I wonder 
if it is because of the foreign characters. :(



On 9/3/2015 12:56 PM, Ant wrote:

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ (hopefully only that web
page) crashes only one of my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 machine. :( I
was unable to reproduce it on another, but clean Windows XP Pro SP3
machine, in Debian oldstable/Linux and Mac OS X v10.8.5 machines. More
dumps in a new profile and its safe mode:

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903
in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903
in safe mode with the new profile.

:(


On 9/3/2015 9:53 AM, Ant wrote:

Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it
just me?
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77035408-ffbd-429b-a5f3-5fc112150903

for a dump. I hope this version isn't buggy and force me to downgrade
back to v2.33.1 :(



On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
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server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
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'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
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So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread Brian Mailman

humptydumpty wrote:

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


I'm stoked also because the issue regarding the viewing of binary files
in newsgroups has been fixed in this version. Running SM 2.35 on a
Windows 10 system.

Thanks to the team for their great work.


What issue regarding the viewing of binary files in newsgroups?

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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box with foreign characters. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread Ant

On 9/4/2015 2:21 AM, Stefan Sitter wrote:


https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903

in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903

in safe mode with the new profile.


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


I think I figured out the pattern of my crashes. It is happening when 
there are foreign languages' characters like on 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJomcfTgNZ8=1191 , http://google.cn , 
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-06 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/6/2015 4:16 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 09/06/2015 06:45 PM, Brian Mailman wrote:
>> humptydumpty wrote:
>>> Edmund Wong wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
>>>> to special.)
>>>>
>>>> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
>>>> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
>>>>
>>>> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
>>>> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
>>>> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
>>>> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
>>>>
>>>> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
>>>> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
>>>> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
>>>> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
>>>>
>>>> So update your copy now!
>>>>
>>>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>>>>
>>>> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.
>>>>
>>> I'm stoked also because the issue regarding the viewing of binary files
>>> in newsgroups has been fixed in this version. Running SM 2.35 on a
>>> Windows 10 system.
>>>
>>> Thanks to the team for their great work.
>>
>> What issue regarding the viewing of binary files in newsgroups?
>>
>> B/
>>
> 
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=893776>
> 

Some news servers strip away binaries from newsgroup messages except in
newsgroups that have "binary" in their names.  Other server simply block
such messages.  No code in a news reader application (e.g., SeaMonkey,
Thunderbird) can compensate for that.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.35 (linux x86-64) No more bookmarks

2015-09-06 Thread Philippe Conde
Philippe Conde wrote:

> EE wrote:
> 
>> Philippe Conde wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I had Seamonkey 2.31 installed. I saved the installation folder under a
>>> new name.
>>> I downloaded the tar.bz archive and extracted it to a new folder.
>>> Starting the seamonkey 2.35 I see that the bookmarks are not more
>>> displayed only an empty folder is shown
>>>
>>> I reverted back to seamonkey2.31 and the boormarks are again visible.
>>>
>>> I have found a folder "bookmarkbackups" with a 1 or 10 file named like
>>> "bookmarks-2015-09-05_432_eq3uQe85vRg8yIrjHHCSyA==.jsonlz4"
>>>
>>> There exist also a bookmarks.html dated from 2015-09-01.
>>>
>>> Any idea how to retrieve/reinstall the bookmarks in seamonkey 2.35?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Philippe
>>>
>> Open the bookmarks manager window, pull down the Tools menu, select
>> Restore, and restore that .jsonlz4 file.  That should put the bookmarks
>> back.
> 
> This works in seamonkey V2.31: Seamonkey propose the different save files.
> In Seamonkey 2.35 it doesn't propose any save files; If I try import from
> HTML format is doesn't works.
> 
> in see a lot of errors in the error console:
> 
> "Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:23
> Erreur : 1441480043324addons.manager  ERROR   Exception
> calling provider GMPProvider.startup: [Exception... "Component returned
> failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)
> [nsIStringBundle.GetStringFromName]"  nsresult: "0x80004005
> (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame ::
> resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm ::
> GMPProvider.buildPluginList
> :: line 567"  data: no] Stack trace:
> 
GMPProvider.buildPluginList()@resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm:567
> < GMPProvider.startup()@resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm:456
> < callProvider()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:208 <
> _startProvider()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:669 <
> AMI_startup()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:840 <
> AMP_startup()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:2471 <
> AMC_observe()@resource://gre/components/addonManager.js:55 <
> Fichier Source : resource://gre/modules/Log.jsm
> Ligne : 749
> 
> Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:24
> Erreur : ReferenceError: PlacesUtils is not defined
> Fichier Source :
> chrome://communicator/content/places/browserPlacesViews.js Ligne : 41
> 
> Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:29
> Erreur : ReferenceError: PlacesUIUtils is not defined
> Fichier Source :
> chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bookmarksManager.js Ligne : 23"
> 
> Something is going wrong
> I'll first control my download.
> 
> Thanks for your answer. I learned something today about the bookmarks :-)
> 
> Philippe

Hello,

I think that the installation/migration to seamonkey V2.35 failed and let a 
profile unusable for seamonkey 2.35 but still usable by seamonkey 2.31

I solved this problem by moving back to seamonkey 2.31
- I removed all add-ons (add-block, lighning, belgian eid) and language pack
- I created a new profile with seamonkey 2.31. and copied therein:
-   my settings/preferences (pref.js and user.js), 
-   my cookies,(coockies.sqlite) and certifcate (cert8.db)
-   my logins and passwords (key3.db and login.json)
-   my mails (mail folder).
- I Imported in the new profile the bookmarls.html.

After checking that this new profile was fully correct I removed the old 
profile and switched to seamonkey2.35;

This time  the installation was succesfully and I have now a correct profile 
with all my data.

In the error console at startup ir had only this error.
"Error : DEPRECATION WARNING: PlacesBackups.getMostRecent is deprecated and 
will be removed in a future version
You may find more details about this deprecation at: 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=859695
resource://gre/modules/PlacesBackups.jsm 263 PB_getMostRecent
resource://gre/components/nsSuiteGlue.js 912 
SuiteGlue.prototype._backupBookmarks
resource://gre/components/nsSuiteGlue.js 226 SuiteGlue.prototype.observe
null 0 null"


Regards
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SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes Complements

2015-09-06 Thread Ant

https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2015/09/06/seamonkey-2-35-release-notes-complements/
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 Release Notes Complements

2015-09-06 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/6/2015 10:35 AM, Ant wrote:
> https://blog.seamonkey-project.org/2015/09/06/seamonkey-2-35-release-notes-complements/
> 

In th blog, the link to "List of bugs that still existed in 2:33
SeaMonkey, but are fixed in 2.35" gives a page that says "The search
named SM2.35 ReallyFixed does not exist."

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Re: Crash? Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-05 Thread Yamo'
Yamo' a écrit le 04/09/2015 10:59 :
> 
> Also no problem here.


It works fine.

Many thanks to the team.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-05 Thread Philipp van Hüllen

Philipp van Hüllen schrieb:

*cheer*


1.5 days at work (Win7) and 3rd day at home (MacOS10.10): No problem 
seen, some fixes observed, and it actually feels faster/smoother at some 
points. Nice job. :-)


/Philipp

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-05 Thread EE

NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

V2.35 fixed the e-mail composer's e-mail address orders. Hurray! :D



Plus the vertical lines marking threads in the mail/news client.  I'm
very pleased with that.

I'll be interested to see how quickly the various Linux distro
maintainers get their versions out. For ubuntuzilla, I'm accustomed to
seeing Seamonkey updates a little less than a week after the main release.

Smith


I am not seeing the vertical lines.  Of course, I use third-party 
themes, but I would still expect to see them.  I got used to not seeing 
them, so it is no big deal.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.35 (linux x86-64) No more bookmarks

2015-09-05 Thread Philippe Conde
EE wrote:

> Philippe Conde wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had Seamonkey 2.31 installed. I saved the installation folder under a
>> new name.
>> I downloaded the tar.bz archive and extracted it to a new folder.
>> Starting the seamonkey 2.35 I see that the bookmarks are not more
>> displayed only an empty folder is shown
>>
>> I reverted back to seamonkey2.31 and the boormarks are again visible.
>>
>> I have found a folder "bookmarkbackups" with a 1 or 10 file named like
>> "bookmarks-2015-09-05_432_eq3uQe85vRg8yIrjHHCSyA==.jsonlz4"
>>
>> There exist also a bookmarks.html dated from 2015-09-01.
>>
>> Any idea how to retrieve/reinstall the bookmarks in seamonkey 2.35?
>>
>> Regards
>> Philippe
>>
> Open the bookmarks manager window, pull down the Tools menu, select
> Restore, and restore that .jsonlz4 file.  That should put the bookmarks
> back.

This works in seamonkey V2.31: Seamonkey propose the different save files.
In Seamonkey 2.35 it doesn't propose any save files; If I try import from 
HTML format is doesn't works.

in see a lot of errors in the error console: 

"Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:23
Erreur : 1441480043324  addons.manager  ERROR   Exception 
calling provider GMPProvider.startup: [Exception... "Component returned 
failure code: 0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) 
[nsIStringBundle.GetStringFromName]"  nsresult: "0x80004005 
(NS_ERROR_FAILURE)"  location: "JS frame :: 
resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm :: GMPProvider.buildPluginList 
:: line 567"  data: no] Stack trace: 
GMPProvider.buildPluginList()@resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm:567 
< GMPProvider.startup()@resource://gre/modules/addons/GMPProvider.jsm:456 < 
callProvider()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:208 < 
_startProvider()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:669 < 
AMI_startup()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:840 < 
AMP_startup()@resource://gre/modules/AddonManager.jsm:2471 < 
AMC_observe()@resource://gre/components/addonManager.js:55 < 
Fichier Source : resource://gre/modules/Log.jsm
Ligne : 749

Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:24
Erreur : ReferenceError: PlacesUtils is not defined
Fichier Source : chrome://communicator/content/places/browserPlacesViews.js
Ligne : 41

Horodatage : 05/09/15 21:07:29
Erreur : ReferenceError: PlacesUIUtils is not defined
Fichier Source : chrome://communicator/content/bookmarks/bookmarksManager.js
Ligne : 23"

Something is going wrong
I'll first control my download.

Thanks for your answer. I learned something today about the bookmarks :-)

Philippe



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Seamonkey 2.35 (linux x86-64) No more bookmarks

2015-09-05 Thread Philippe Conde
Hello, 

I had Seamonkey 2.31 installed. I saved the installation folder under a new 
name.
I downloaded the tar.bz archive and extracted it to a new folder. 
Starting the seamonkey 2.35 I see that the bookmarks are not more displayed 
only an empty folder is shown

I reverted back to seamonkey2.31 and the boormarks are again visible.

I have found a folder "bookmarkbackups" with a 1 or 10 file named like 
"bookmarks-2015-09-05_432_eq3uQe85vRg8yIrjHHCSyA==.jsonlz4"

There exist also a bookmarks.html dated from 2015-09-01.

Any idea how to retrieve/reinstall the bookmarks in seamonkey 2.35?

Regards
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-05 Thread Cecil Bankston

Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf


Lightning & PrefBar work.  I don't use BetterPrivacy.

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SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-05 Thread Wolf
Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep 
SeaMonkey alive.


My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35: 
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?


Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-05 Thread Wolf

Cecil Bankston schrieb:

Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf


Lightning & PrefBar work.  I don't use BetterPrivacy.


Thanks a lot Cecil,
BetterPrivacy anybody?

Regards
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-05 Thread EE

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf


Lightning & PrefBar work.  I don't use BetterPrivacy.


BetterPrivacy seems to be working for me.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.35 (linux x86-64) No more bookmarks

2015-09-05 Thread EE

Philippe Conde wrote:

Hello,

I had Seamonkey 2.31 installed. I saved the installation folder under a new
name.
I downloaded the tar.bz archive and extracted it to a new folder.
Starting the seamonkey 2.35 I see that the bookmarks are not more displayed
only an empty folder is shown

I reverted back to seamonkey2.31 and the boormarks are again visible.

I have found a folder "bookmarkbackups" with a 1 or 10 file named like
"bookmarks-2015-09-05_432_eq3uQe85vRg8yIrjHHCSyA==.jsonlz4"

There exist also a bookmarks.html dated from 2015-09-01.

Any idea how to retrieve/reinstall the bookmarks in seamonkey 2.35?

Regards
Philippe

Open the bookmarks manager window, pull down the Tools menu, select 
Restore, and restore that .jsonlz4 file.  That should put the bookmarks 
back.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 and extensions

2015-09-05 Thread Wolf

EE schrieb:

Cecil Bankston wrote:

Wolf wrote:

Thanks a lot to the SeaMonkey Project team for their hard work to keep
SeaMonkey alive.

My question:
Will these extensions work with the new version of SeaMonkey 2.35:
*Lightning*, *PrefBar* and *BetterPrivacy Mod*?

Still waiting for Seamonkey 2.35 on UbuntuZilla.

Regards
Wolf


Lightning & PrefBar work.  I don't use BetterPrivacy.


BetterPrivacy seems to be working for me.


I will try
Lightning 4.0.2 multilingual for SeaMonkey 2.35 – 2.35.*
PrefBar 7.0.0
BetterPrivacy Mod 1.68.m

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-04 Thread WaltS48

On 09/04/2015 01:18 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/3/2015 6:10 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/03/2015 08:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:

In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config.

There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for
either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change
"mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?



This is a 15-year-old bug, #41133.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41133>, especially comment
#8.



And SeaMonkey 2.35 is affected? Last comment was made 2013-01-13.



I think the Mail-News component is affected, thus affecting both
SeaMonkey and Thunderbird.  The bug report was never closed.



So, if I enter the address in Firefox with Thunderbird open, and no 
mozilla news server configured it should create it like it does in 
SeaMonkey. Confirmed that SM 2.35 is still affected BTW.


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Stefan Sitter

On 03.09.2015 21:56, Ant wrote:

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903
in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.

https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903
in safe mode with the new profile.


According to those links it is a known problem: Bug 1200021, reported 
for Firefox 40 and Firefox 38esr.


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Re: Crash? Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Yamo'
Hi,

Jonathan N. Little a écrit le 03/09/2015 21:06 :
> Ant wrote:
>> Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it
>> just me?
> 
> No problem here.



Also no problem here.


But with 2.39a1 and 2.35 I sometime send messages without any subject
when replying by mail or nntp!




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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-04 Thread Robert Gault

Finally the progress bar for mail and newsgroups is working correctly again. 
Yippee!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-04 Thread WaltS48

On 09/04/2015 08:33 AM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/04/2015 01:18 AM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/3/2015 6:10 PM, WaltS48 wrote:

On 09/03/2015 08:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:

In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the
MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be
News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref
(where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config.

There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in
about:config, for
either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change
"mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?



This is a 15-year-old bug, #41133.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41133>, especially
comment
#8.



And SeaMonkey 2.35 is affected? Last comment was made 2013-01-13.



I think the Mail-News component is affected, thus affecting both
SeaMonkey and Thunderbird.  The bug report was never closed.



So, if I enter the address in Firefox with Thunderbird open, and no
mozilla news server configured it should create it like it does in
SeaMonkey. Confirmed that SM 2.35 is still affected BTW.

I will test that later today




Tested with Firefox 40.0.3 (new profile) and Thunderbird 38.2.0 (new 
profile). Both installed from my Software Management application.


Clicking the link in Comment 0 opens a Launch Application dialog box and 
doesn't create a newsgroup account in Thunderbird. Same with the link in 
Comment 8.


I only see the problem in SeaMonkey.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread NFN Smith

Ant wrote:

V2.35 fixed the e-mail composer's e-mail address orders. Hurray! :D



Plus the vertical lines marking threads in the mail/news client.  I'm 
very pleased with that.


I'll be interested to see how quickly the various Linux distro 
maintainers get their versions out. For ubuntuzilla, I'm accustomed to 
seeing Seamonkey updates a little less than a week after the main release.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Ant

On 9/4/2015 7:59 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

V2.35 fixed the e-mail composer's e-mail address orders. Hurray! :D



Plus the vertical lines marking threads in the mail/news client.  I'm
very pleased with that.


Oh wow. I didn't even notice. Ha. Nice! Lots of good fixes in this late 
version.




I'll be interested to see how quickly the various Linux distro
maintainers get their versions out. For ubuntuzilla, I'm accustomed to
seeing Seamonkey updates a little less than a week after the main release.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Jonathan Wilson
Thank you to all the people out there who do such great work keeping 
SeaMonkey (the one full-featured Windows FOSS browser out there that hasn't 
gone down the "we must copy Chrome for no good reason" route) alive and 
kicking.


As someone who started using this browser back when it was named Mozilla 
and had a version number starting with zero and who has been using it ever 
since, I applaud all the great work that is done on it (if I wasn't so busy 
these days, I would even pitch in and write some code myself :)


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Mexx Headroooommm
THANK YOU !!! THANK YOU !!! THANK YOU !!! THANK YOU !!! THANK YOU !!!

greets
-Markus

Edmund Wong schrieb am 03.09.2015 um 17:14:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
> to special.)
> 
> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
> 
> So update your copy now!
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-04 Thread Ant
Ditto. Ha, I started since Netscape Communicator days after its 
Navigator days! I'm old! ;)



On 9/4/2015 12:48 AM, Jonathan Wilson wrote:

Thank you to all the people out there who do such great work keeping
SeaMonkey (the one full-featured Windows FOSS browser out there that
hasn't gone down the "we must copy Chrome for no good reason" route)
alive and kicking.

As someone who started using this browser back when it was named Mozilla
and had a version number starting with zero and who has been using it
ever since, I applaud all the great work that is done on it (if I wasn't
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Ant

Thank you!!  I have not upgraded yet. :D


On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.




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SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Edmund Wong
Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread NFN Smith

Edmund Wong wrote:

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.


And there was great rejoicing...

Thanks for all your hard work, we really appreciate it.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Claus Schmidt

Edmund Wong schrieb:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


Yes, a great thanks.

Claus
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Re: Crash? Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/3/2015 9:53 AM, Ant wrote:
> Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it 
> just me? 
> https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77035408-ffbd-429b-a5f3-5fc112150903
>  
> for a dump. I hope this version isn't buggy and force me to downgrade 
> back to v2.33.1 :(
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
>> to special.)
>>
>> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
>> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
>>
>> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
>> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
>> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
>> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
>>
>> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
>> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
>> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
>> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
>>
>> So update your copy now!
>>
>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
>>
>> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.
>>

See bugs at
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1057581>
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092810>

This problem seems to appear only on the first launch of a profile after
updating SeaMonkey.  It did NOT appear for me when updating from the
contributed v.2.35 to the official v.2.35, which indicates that the
cause is somewhere in a preference or capability that was identical
between the contributed and official versions.

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SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-03 Thread EE

In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews 
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To 
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X 
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in 
about:config.


There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for 
either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change 
"mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?

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Re: Crash? Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Ant wrote:

Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it
just me?


No problem here.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread EE

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


Hooray!!  Build 3 works, but I like official releases.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Philipp van Hüllen

*cheer*
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Roger Fink

 Original Message 

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

Hi - I installed it this a.m. from Major Geeks (it links to your 
download)and the executable installed in my Win7-32 Roaming profile so 
I'm waiting to hear confirmation that it is installing in Program Files 
before I try again. Thanks for all your hard work.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Roger Fink

 Original Message 

 Original Message 

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


Hi - I installed it this a.m. from Major Geeks (it links to your
download)and the executable installed in my Win7-32 Roaming profile so
I'm waiting to hear confirmation that it is installing in Program Files
before I try again. Thanks for all your hard work.

Note that it created a second version (i.e. 2.35, in add-remove) so 
uninstalling it from there left the previous version, 2.33.1 intact

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread NoOp
On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
> to special.)
> 
> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
> 
> So update your copy now!
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.
> 


Congratulations & as always - thanks for all of your hard work Edmund &
SeaMonkey team!


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Crash? Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Ant
Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on 
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it 
just me? 
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77035408-ffbd-429b-a5f3-5fc112150903 
for a dump. I hope this version isn't buggy and force me to downgrade 
back to v2.33.1 :(




On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


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Re: Crash in my Windows XP Pro SP3 box. Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Ant
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ (hopefully only that web 
page) crashes only one of my very old Windows XP Pro SP3 machine. :( I 
was unable to reproduce it on another, but clean Windows XP Pro SP3 
machine, in Debian oldstable/Linux and Mac OS X v10.8.5 machines. More 
dumps in a new profile and its safe mode:


https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/c020cdb3-bcf8-41c4-89ce-016cb2150903 
in a new SM profile with its defaults and no third party extensions.


https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/8a76830b-cee1-4a05-90fa-41b412150903 
in safe mode with the new profile.


:(


On 9/3/2015 9:53 AM, Ant wrote:

Uh oh! Is anyone else getting SM crashes on
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/ web page with v2.35? Or is it
just me?
https://crash-stats.mozilla.com/report/index/77035408-ffbd-429b-a5f3-5fc112150903
for a dump. I hope this version isn't buggy and force me to downgrade
back to v2.33.1 :(



On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-03 Thread NoOp
On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:
> In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
> After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews 
> account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To 
> work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X 
> is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in 
> about:config.
> 
> There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for 
> either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change 

"(where X is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to
true in about:config"

mail.identity.id1.valid;true

> "mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?
> 

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread humptydumpty

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.

I'm stoked also because the issue regarding the viewing of binary files 
in newsgroups has been fixed in this version. Running SM 2.35 on a 
Windows 10 system.


Thanks to the team for their great work.

Bill
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-03 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:
> In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
> After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews 
> account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To 
> work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X 
> is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in 
> about:config.
> 
> There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for 
> either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change 
> "mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?
> 

This is a 15-year-old bug, #41133.  See
, especially comment
#8.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-03 Thread David E. Ross
On 9/3/2015 6:10 PM, WaltS48 wrote:
> On 09/03/2015 08:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:
>> On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:
>>> In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
>>> After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
>>> account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
>>> work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
>>> is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
>>> about:config.
>>>
>>> There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for
>>> either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change
>>> "mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?
>>>
>>
>> This is a 15-year-old bug, #41133.  See
>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41133>, especially comment
>> #8.
>>
> 
> And SeaMonkey 2.35 is affected? Last comment was made 2013-01-13.
> 

I think the Mail-News component is affected, thus affecting both
SeaMonkey and Thunderbird.  The bug report was never closed.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35 release notes

2015-09-03 Thread WaltS48

On 09/03/2015 08:44 PM, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/3/2015 12:18 PM, EE wrote:

In the SM 2.35 release notes, it says:
After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config.

There is no setting for "mail.server.serverX.valid" in about:config, for
either mail or newsgroups.  Why would you not just change
"mail.server.serverX.type" from nntp to pop3 (or imap)?



This is a 15-year-old bug, #41133.  See
<https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41133>, especially comment
#8.



And SeaMonkey 2.35 is affected? Last comment was made 2013-01-13.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread NoOp
On 9/3/2015 8:14 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
> to special.)
> 
> It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
> SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.
> 
> SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
> have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
> for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
> server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!
> 
> The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
> with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
> 'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
> to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.
> 
> So update your copy now!
> 
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
> 
> PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.
> 

Thanks again.


Working fine ***After removing the suggested 'update Lightning 4.0b6' in
the Windows updates and reinstalling the correct 4.0.2 version
(see:
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions):

Windows 10 64 bit
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35
Build identifier: 20150827182544

Windows 10 32 bit
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35
Build identifier: 20150827182544

Ubuntu 15.04 & 14.04 64 bit
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35
Build identifier: 20150825182814
(thanks to Adrian)

Ubuntu 15.04 32 bit
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/38.0 SeaMonkey/2.35
Build identifier: 20150825182728






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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Ant

V2.35 fixed the e-mail composer's e-mail address orders. Hurray! :D
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35!

2015-09-03 Thread Paul Bergsagel

Edmund Wong wrote:

Dear All,

I'm just so stoked. (This isn't a normal release post as it's just way
to special.)

It is with great privilege and joy that I can announce to the world, the
SeaMonkey Project has just RELEASED SeaMonkey 2.35.

SeaMonkey 2.33.1 was released in March.  It's now September.  Yes, you
have all suffered the worries of vulnerabilities.  But worry no longer
for the *actual* release of SeaMonkey 2.35 has been pushed to the
server. Win32, Linux and OSX64!

The SeaMonkey Project team wishes to thank EVERYONE for their patience
with us while we get back into the flow.  While we aren't actually
'flowing' (right now, limping), we are determined to get things back
to normal, now that we KNOW we can get things done.

So update your copy now!

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

PS: SeaMonkey 2.38b1 is the next release.


Just upgraded my 2006 iMac OS 10.7.5

So far no issues, no crashes. A good update.

Thanks to all who worked so hard to make the release of 2.35 happen. Whooot!
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread EE

zeroleft wrote:


Just by taking a look at
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/, you
could think that Adrian Kalla will not provide any more binaries for
SeaMonkey on Linux 32-bits...


Have you looked at 
https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/2.35-candidates/build3/ 
?


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread NoOp
On 9/1/2015 2:38 PM, NoOp wrote:
> On 9/1/2015 8:13 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Gordon Weast wrote:
>>> By default, Ubuntu 64 bit doesn't install the 32 bit runtime.  Now, even
>>> after trying to find all the libraries in 32 bit form through the Ubuntu
>>> installer, I can't run the 32 bit Seamonkey.  There is a library it
>>> attempts to load that I can't find in 32 bit form for Ubuntu.  I hope
>>> we'll see a 64 bit build of 2.35 soon after the 32 bit mainline.  I have
>>> the machine setup to use the same profile on both Win7 and Linux.
>>> Having Windows using 2.35 and Linux use 2.33 will keep showing me the
>>> Seamonkey welcome to new version screen.
>> 
>> 
>> Generally when installing a 32-bit application on 64-bit Ubuntu all you 
>> have to do to install the missing 32-bit library dependancies is
>> 
>> sudo apt-get install -f
>> 
> 
> Actually it is no longer that easy...
> 
> 
> I already had i386 multiarch installed on Ubuntu 15.04 64bit, I still
> ended up having to install the bits mentioned in here:
> 
> libxul.so:
> libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
> Couldn't load XPCOM
> 
> You can see some of the work here:
> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12248722/
> 
> Thanks again Adrian for your 64bit builds!!
> 
> G
> 
> 
> 

Sorry forgot to add the 32bit UI:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:36.0)
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1
Build identifier: 20150321194732

vs the 64bit version on the same machine:
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1
Build identifier: 20150321194827


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread NoOp
On 9/1/2015 8:13 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Gordon Weast wrote:
>> By default, Ubuntu 64 bit doesn't install the 32 bit runtime.  Now, even
>> after trying to find all the libraries in 32 bit form through the Ubuntu
>> installer, I can't run the 32 bit Seamonkey.  There is a library it
>> attempts to load that I can't find in 32 bit form for Ubuntu.  I hope
>> we'll see a 64 bit build of 2.35 soon after the 32 bit mainline.  I have
>> the machine setup to use the same profile on both Win7 and Linux.
>> Having Windows using 2.35 and Linux use 2.33 will keep showing me the
>> Seamonkey welcome to new version screen.
> 
> 
> Generally when installing a 32-bit application on 64-bit Ubuntu all you 
> have to do to install the missing 32-bit library dependancies is
> 
> sudo apt-get install -f
> 

Actually it is no longer that easy...


I already had i386 multiarch installed on Ubuntu 15.04 64bit, I still
ended up having to install the bits mentioned in here:

libxul.so:
libXrender.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Couldn't load XPCOM

You can see some of the work here:
http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/12248722/

Thanks again Adrian for your 64bit builds!!

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread Adrian Kalla
W dniu 09/01/2015 o 12:11 AM, zeroleft pisze:
> But, and I believe it's something similar for others, is because when a
> machine has only 2GB of ram, (and life circumstances do not allow, at
> this time, for memory upgrade or for simply buy a new PC), it probably
> would be counterproductive try to run a 64-bit system in such modest
> hardware.

I think it is unlikely you would loose perceived performance when
switching to 64 bit. But of course you would also not gain any.
On the other hand, your system would be compatible with all 32 and 64
bit applications.


W dniu 08/31/2015 o 10:10 PM, zeroleft pisze:
> Just by taking a look at
>
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/, you
> could think that Adrian Kalla will not provide any more binaries for
> SeaMonkey on Linux 32-bits...

You are right. There are four reasons why I needed to abandon 32 bit
Linux builds:
1. My CentOS 6 32bit virtual machine did get corrupted, and as I found
out, I had no backup of it.
2. My builds were taking too much space on the L10n server.
3. I needed CPU and RAM resources for Windows builds.
4. And the ultimate reason is Mozilla's switch to GTK3: there is no GTK3
for CentOS6 available (Mozilla seems to have produced own packages, but
afaics, they can't be found anywhere publicly - which is BTW a really
big shame, since there is now also no way to build an exact one-to-one
build to check, if Mozilla did have to include something in their builds
because of a National Security Letter...).
And there is no 32 bit version of RHEL7/CentOS7, which needs to be used
for SM 2.39+ builds (and my cross compile tries failed, and I have no
more time to invest into this issue).


-> 32 bit is dead. Long live 64 bit.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread Jonathan N. Little

Gordon Weast wrote:

By default, Ubuntu 64 bit doesn't install the 32 bit runtime.  Now, even
after trying to find all the libraries in 32 bit form through the Ubuntu
installer, I can't run the 32 bit Seamonkey.  There is a library it
attempts to load that I can't find in 32 bit form for Ubuntu.  I hope
we'll see a 64 bit build of 2.35 soon after the 32 bit mainline.  I have
the machine setup to use the same profile on both Win7 and Linux.
Having Windows using 2.35 and Linux use 2.33 will keep showing me the
Seamonkey welcome to new version screen.



Generally when installing a 32-bit application on 64-bit Ubuntu all you 
have to do to install the missing 32-bit library dependancies is


sudo apt-get install -f

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-09-01 Thread Gordon Weast

Adrian Kalla wrote:

W dniu 09/01/2015 o 12:11 AM, zeroleft pisze:

But, and I believe it's something similar for others, is because when a
machine has only 2GB of ram, (and life circumstances do not allow, at
this time, for memory upgrade or for simply buy a new PC), it probably
would be counterproductive try to run a 64-bit system in such modest
hardware.


I think it is unlikely you would loose perceived performance when
switching to 64 bit. But of course you would also not gain any.
On the other hand, your system would be compatible with all 32 and 64
bit applications.


W dniu 08/31/2015 o 10:10 PM, zeroleft pisze:

Just by taking a look at


https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/, you

could think that Adrian Kalla will not provide any more binaries for
SeaMonkey on Linux 32-bits...


You are right. There are four reasons why I needed to abandon 32 bit
Linux builds:
1. My CentOS 6 32bit virtual machine did get corrupted, and as I found
out, I had no backup of it.
2. My builds were taking too much space on the L10n server.
3. I needed CPU and RAM resources for Windows builds.
4. And the ultimate reason is Mozilla's switch to GTK3: there is no GTK3
for CentOS6 available (Mozilla seems to have produced own packages, but
afaics, they can't be found anywhere publicly - which is BTW a really
big shame, since there is now also no way to build an exact one-to-one
build to check, if Mozilla did have to include something in their builds
because of a National Security Letter...).
And there is no 32 bit version of RHEL7/CentOS7, which needs to be used
for SM 2.39+ builds (and my cross compile tries failed, and I have no
more time to invest into this issue).


-> 32 bit is dead. Long live 64 bit.



One reason I have for still wanting a 32 bit version is on an auxiliary 
machine I use in my ham shack.  That one is still a 32 bit 
hyper-threaded machine.  Quite adequate for the purpose and I can't 
justify the cost of a newer machine.  I only boot Linux on it, for the 
most part, even though there is still an XP partition that rarely gets 
used.  I have the XP marked as a POS terminal, so it does still get some 
security updates!


On the other hand, on my main machine which is 64 bit, I dual boot 
between Windows 7/64 and Ubuntu 14.04/64.  By default, Ubuntu 64 bit 
doesn't install the 32 bit runtime.  Now, even after trying to find all 
the libraries in 32 bit form through the Ubuntu installer, I can't run 
the 32 bit Seamonkey.  There is a library it attempts to load that I 
can't find in 32 bit form for Ubuntu.  I hope we'll see a 64 bit build 
of 2.35 soon after the 32 bit mainline.  I have the machine setup to use 
the same profile on both Win7 and Linux.  Having Windows using 2.35 and 
Linux use 2.33 will keep showing me the Seamonkey welcome to new version 
screen.


So, I still have a desire to see both 32 and 64 bit versions.

Gordon
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-31 Thread zeroleft


Just by taking a look at  
https://l10n.mozilla-community.org/~akalla/unofficial/seamonkey/nightly/, you  
could think that Adrian Kalla will not provide any more binaries for  
SeaMonkey on Linux 32-bits...



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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-31 Thread zeroleft


On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 17:16:29 -0300, Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]
wrote:
“Well, if you believe the Fedora folks
(http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=fedora-24-i686-demotion),
32-bit will soon be dead.”

By chance, I'm a Debian user, even if a not very good at it!

In any case, the reason why I remain under a 32-bit OS, is not the  
lack of a modern processor (my Intel E5400 maybe would be good enough).

http://ark.intel.com/products/40478/Intel-Pentium-Processor-E5400-2M-Cache-2_70-GHz-800-MHz-FSB

But, and I believe it's something similar for others, is because when  
a machine has only 2GB of ram, (and life circumstances do not allow,  
at this time, for memory upgrade or for simply buy a new PC), it  
probably would be counterproductive try to run a 64-bit system in such  
modest hardware.


But anyway, I do not want to get off the subject ...


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-28 Thread Ant

On 8/27/2015 4:05 PM, Isaac Schemm wrote:
...

2.35 will be based off of the Firefox 38 (extended support release)
branch. This is why they chose 2.35 instead of 2.34 or 2.36 as the
release to focus on - they automatically get Mozilla's ESR security fixes.


Do I assume we're not getting any more security fixes if v2.35 keeps 
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-27 Thread Isaac Schemm

Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] wrote:

On Fri, 21 Aug 2015 16:54:52 +0800, Edmund Wong ew...@pw-wspx.org
wrote:


Hi Everyone,

As I mentioned on the blog, I have started spinning up the
release for SeaMonkey 2.35. ('About time!' someone says.)

In the past, I would say on the release bug when the ETA is,
but due to the fact that we are doing this semi-automatically
(Win32 builds and repacks are manually done), and that there
are changes to the infra code, we expect to have some bustages.
This means delay; but considering everyone's been
waiting for it for months on end, a few days of
delay won't make any difference (I hope. :P ).

Again, I really want to thank everyone's patience while
we play catch up.

Edmund


While it looks like the first two build bombed out, I see the third
build has gotten a lot farther. Fingers crossed. So is 2.35 intending
to be based off FF40?

- Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

2.35 will be based off of the Firefox 38 (extended support release) 
branch. This is why they chose 2.35 instead of 2.34 or 2.36 as the 
release to focus on - they automatically get Mozilla's ESR security fixes.

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-23 Thread EE

Edmund Wong wrote:

EE wrote:


Version 2.35 for Mac OS and Linux was ready weeks ago.  I thought the
delay was because of Windows?  Or are you still fixing the more obscure
bugs?



I'm not sure I understand this.  Version 2.35 couldn't have been ready,
since we're still trying to get them built right now.

Are you talking about the 'contributed' builds?

Edmund

I found 2.35 in Tinderbox-builds  comm-release-macosx64.  It worked 
fine. I noticed at the time that the Linux version was also available 
but not the Windows version.


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-22 Thread Rainer Bielefeld

Hi Edmund,

Bug 1177045 - (SM235-RELNOTE) Create/Update 2.35 Release Notes
  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1177045
still is not assigned, and (may be intendedly). Can we be sure that 
someone will take care?


Best Regards

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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-22 Thread Ant

On 8/21/2015 7:19 PM, Edmund Wong wrote:


Also, what's the URL to this blog?


https://blog.seamonkey-project.org


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Re: SeaMonkey 2.35

2015-08-21 Thread Ant

On 8/21/2015 1:54 AM, Edmund Wong wrote:

Hi Everyone,

As I mentioned on the blog, I have started spinning up the
release for SeaMonkey 2.35. ('About time!' someone says.)

In the past, I would say on the release bug when the ETA is,
but due to the fact that we are doing this semi-automatically
(Win32 builds and repacks are manually done), and that there
are changes to the infra code, we expect to have some bustages.
This means delay; but considering everyone's been
waiting for it for months on end, a few days of
delay won't make any difference (I hope. :P ).

Again, I really want to thank everyone's patience while
we play catch up.


Thanks for the updates again, Edmund! :)
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