Re: [Sursound] TetraMic and Jaunt VR in Time, Gizmodo and Engadget (Virtual Reality Recording System)

2014-05-18 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Kan, Tell me what´s the new great idea of art, inside VR, and I´ll be the first director to follow it. I see no great idea of art in VR. At least not currently. This question is very close the one I raise in my PhD thesis (completed last year) ... where I ask: What is the relationship

Re: [Sursound] old Ambisonia links -

2014-05-11 Thread etienne deleflie
just a quick note of thanks to Marc for his ongoing efforts WRT ambisonia.com thanks Marc. Etienne On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:34 AM, Marc Lavallée m...@hacklava.net wrote: Sat, 10 May 2014 14:51:33 -0600, Charles Veasey charlesjvea...@gmail.com wrote : There are some dead links of my

Re: [Sursound] 4 D sound (!)

2014-03-06 Thread etienne deleflie
assume if you would compare the sound of a bird through a mono speaker and a periphonic higher order ambisonic recording, you hear a difference. Hence, of what quality would you call this difference, if you already call a mono reproduction 3D? On 3/7/14 2:07 AM, etienne deleflie wrote: Mono

Re: [Sursound] Motion-Tracked Binaural

2013-12-22 Thread etienne deleflie
where did you see the price advertised? (Cant see it on that page) Etienne On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:17 AM, Len Moskowitz lenmoskow...@optonline.net wrote: These folks seem to be very close to offering a product: http://www.dysonics.com/tech.html That page has a bunch of links to papers

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-12 Thread etienne deleflie
The first part is overdue (and many thanks to Hector!), the second part is a nice demonstration. But from a CE perspective, I highly doubt that normal consumers would glue (in my terms) their smartphone to their head. of course not ... but the point is that the demonstration is accessible by

Re: [Sursound] Upcoming Android apps ambisonic related

2013-12-11 Thread etienne deleflie
finally! congratulations on being the first to get this out. I've been waiting for exactly that combination of technology ... using a phone's built-in gyro to do head-tracking and offer binaural decodes of ambisonic material on something we all carry around ... smart phones. If this

Re: [Sursound] Anthropometrics, Loudspeakers, Vision

2013-04-01 Thread etienne deleflie
Head width were certainly affect ITDs, but to what extent does this alter our sense of sound-source direction? Relatively gross errors seem to have minimal affect on lateralization, but this is different from localization in 3D. Pinna size and shape alter the spectral nature (name phase /

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
pointless as the experimental subject would be getting similar physical cues for the distance and the close sounds.enlighten me! Dave On 26 February 2013 11:58, etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com wrote: In Blauert's Spatial Hearing (1997, p.45-46), he mentions a study, conducted

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Another point that is interesting, in considering the cognitive dimension of spatial perception, is that some processes involve the identification of a sounding object, and some do not. The recognition of an over-simplified mono reverb algorithm, as an Icon of the sound of a large space, requires

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-26 Thread etienne deleflie
Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that references (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an icon (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. Whereas the recording of hair clippers acts as an index of close

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
Jorn, it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was still all over the place. chowning 10, bear 0. and here's to fake

Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion

2013-02-25 Thread etienne deleflie
From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie [edelef...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 February 2013 22:01 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion Jorn, it turned out

Re: [Sursound] Saga of the Subs

2013-02-24 Thread etienne deleflie
ELC: Visual cues may play part in this ability, too, but I fully agree with you: The sound-source direction is unambiguous in certain situations. This is why I wish to include multiple subs in my forthcoming experiments. Another common myth is how much the Doppler Effect plays in our

Re: [Sursound] how not to advertise binaural

2013-01-31 Thread etienne deleflie
What's interesting is that the demo is actually totally cheating. It relies on cognitive cues, perhaps even more than on presenting realistic stimuli. It does this in two ways: Firstly, it extensively uses symbolism, through language, to create expectations of spatial experience... now over here

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-31 Thread etienne deleflie
If the response to lack of perfection is always do nothing, nothing will be done. Which perfectly explains why we don't have an accepted ambisonic file format. No one is willing to accept limitations... and it is so easy to find limitations in formats. I firmly believe that a successful

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-29 Thread etienne deleflie
At this point in time, not only is most music listened on mobile devices, most music is even purchased on mobile devices, and that's strictly a stereo (or maybe binaural) world. With a custom iPhone/Android app that employs headtracking (+ headsets) on iPhone/Android devices ... you have a

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA [RANT]

2012-10-28 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Richard, Yes, what it does, it does very well. However, as described, you are asked to first create an n-channel interleaved WAVE file containing all those uncompressed silent channels, and pass that to wavpack. Which is fine in principle, except that with a possibly large number of

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-28 Thread etienne deleflie
I think no serious person in audio wants anything to do with lossy compression which is a commercial compromise for no real reason(uncompressed audio no longer looks like that big a file). Since probably no one is interested in exotic surround items except people who are serious about audio,

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Richard, Now the attention in previous posts was very much on the phrase most sophisticated format, which was guaranteed to wind people up; whereas the key word is really available. The UA format is not really available to ~composers~ to use. The description is very much one for

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-27 Thread etienne deleflie
Scipio on 'techne') Etienne On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 9:27 AM, etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, Now the attention in previous posts was very much on the phrase most sophisticated format, which was guaranteed to wind people up; whereas the key word is really available

Re: [Sursound] Patent application: Data structure for HOA

2012-10-24 Thread etienne deleflie
So is this, in fact, the ultimate file format that folk on this list have been arguing for (and over) for so long? I dont know about ultimate formats ... but one existing format is Universal Ambisonic (UA). It is documented Here: http://soundofspace.com/static/make_ua_file And there is lots of

Re: [Sursound] Uses for spherical speakers

2012-10-22 Thread etienne deleflie
of Derby, UK e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk t: 01332 593155 -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie Sent: 22 October 2012 01:34 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: [Sursound] Uses for spherical

Re: [Sursound] Uses for spherical speakers

2012-10-22 Thread etienne deleflie
e: p.len...@derby.ac.uk t: 01332 593155 -Original Message- From: sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of etienne deleflie Sent: 22 October 2012 01:34 To: Surround Sound discussion group Subject: [Sursound] Uses for spherical speakers

[Sursound] Uses for spherical speakers

2012-10-21 Thread etienne deleflie
Such a thing was offered for sale for consumers by DBX(as I recall) a long time ago. I do not think it had much success--not surprisingly since there is no real reason to want such a thing. I too was thinking that I couldn't see much use for a spherical speaker... other than in perhaps purely

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
However, I do see there is a Surround Music group on FB that looks pretty active. https://www.facebook.com/groups/472608276094365/ a quote from that page: I’m playing a VDT (Verband Deutche Tonmeister) event at Galaxy 10/6 using an 8.0 setup (quad on the ground and quad in the air). I don’t

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly available archive. Etienne On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:52 PM, etienne deleflie edelef...@gmail.com wrote: However, I do see there is a Surround Music group on FB that looks pretty active. https://www.facebook.com/groups

Re: [Sursound] Trans-Dimensional Portal

2012-10-11 Thread etienne deleflie
yes indeed, my mistake. Etienne On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com wrote: Also http://www.mail-archive.com/sursound@music.vt.edu/ M. I think the *real* problem is that sursound does not have a publicly available archive. Etienne You are at

Re: [Sursound] Ambisonia : BitTorrent

2012-06-12 Thread etienne deleflie
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Michael Chapman s...@mchapman.com wrote: I suspect that this was well considered when Ambisonia was moved to York, but I'll ask anyway : Does York have sufficient bandwidth (and is it willing to allow its use) for Ambisonia downloads to be just that : i.e.

Re: [Sursound] The Sound of Vision (Mirage-sonics?)

2012-06-11 Thread etienne deleflie
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 8:44 AM, Fons Adriaensen f...@linuxaudio.orgwrote: On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 09:44:18AM +0100, Richard Dobson wrote: I find it useful in mnay cases to relate colour vision to auditory perfect pitch. People with the latter recognise the absolute pitch of a note, but

Re: [Sursound] Ecological flies (in the face of reality)

2012-06-04 Thread etienne deleflie
However, I have found that a mixed mediated+ -non-mediated environment can contain significant local confusions. Years ago at York, I used an SF mic to record Dylan Menzies idly playing the piano, in a room equipped with a periphonic playback system. When I played it back, he then took to

Re: [Sursound] Ambisonia?

2012-06-04 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Daniel, all, As you know, thanks to the University of York's generosity -- organised by Dave M and administered by Oliver Larkin, ambisonia.com is now back online, serving pages from the UK (instead of far-away Australia). The migration has been a bit of a mammoth task mainly driven by Marc

Re: [Sursound] Catching the same fly twice (and a curious question)

2012-05-30 Thread etienne deleflie
Although I don’t ascribe to a single 'school' of psychology, I do buy into James Gibson's idea that man (and animals) and their environments are inseparable (this is at the heart of Ecological Psychology). I think (or at least hope) that James Gibson's ideas are slowly making their way into

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

2012-04-04 Thread etienne deleflie
4. More composers are starting to look at ambisonics though there is still some resistance to it , mainly I think because its hard to get your head around. I'm still trying to work out why stereo diffusion into multiple speakers is more popular to many composers than ambisonics and

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please? (Robert Greene)

2012-04-04 Thread etienne deleflie
On 4 Apr 2012, at 06:29, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote: On 04/03/2012 03:16 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote: 4. More composers are starting to look at ambisonics though there is still some resistance to it , mainly I think because its hard to get your head around. I'm still trying to work out

Re: [Sursound] Can anyone help with my dissertation please?

2012-04-01 Thread etienne deleflie
Your dissertation question clearly touches something important, but lacks focus. By that, I mean (in a caring way, possums) that framing the question this way makes it very difficult to elicit clear answers. A better way to frame the question might be: Given ambisonic's lack of commercial

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-12-04 Thread etienne deleflie
But in a sense it's a valid question at another level. Does HTML5 (in its various forms, mostly H.264 i.e. AAC) reliably fall back to something usable when you broadcast multichannel material? If it does not, what's the use of it? If it does, does it always do so, reliably? If it does but not

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-12-04 Thread etienne deleflie
Hi Mick, Thanks for the feedback ... very helpful. This is similar problem Ive always had with SoundofSpace AAC files which use the CLRLsRsLFE order but again I can use the Quad playback to fix the order. Id much prefer the ITU spec of LRCLFELsRs as that seems to be a sort of common

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-11-29 Thread etienne deleflie
of them, but if you have VLC installed it will have a go at OGG and perhaps AC3 opened in VLC. It is Firefox that fails us here. Firefox can play Vorbis files, but not multichannel ones. Etienne Regards Fabio Am 27.11.2011 um 05:08 schrieb etienne deleflie: I've been meaning to try out HTML5

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-11-27 Thread etienne deleflie
...@dgvo.net wrote: Latest version of Firefox (8.0) on Win7 64bit. Alls I get it the spinning dots when I press play. Nothing else. No sound. Bill On 26/11/11 8:08 p.m., etienne deleflie wrote: I've been meaning to try out HTML5's capabilities for a while, now seems a good time. http

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-11-27 Thread etienne deleflie
embedded 5.1 files at all. you can offer multiple formats in an audio or video tag. if you do a 'view source' you'll see that I'm offering 3 formats ... AAC, AC3 and Vorbis Etienne see https://developer.mozilla.org/En/Using_audio_and_video_in_Firefox 11/27/11, etienne deleflie edelef

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-11-27 Thread etienne deleflie
to about 180 deg either side of me whereas my (cheap studio reference) monitors are either side of my screen. (all the physical space I have). About 70 deg apart. Bill On 27/11/11 12:43 a.m., etienne deleflie wrote: Bill, I was expecting that Firefox would not attempt to play the file

Re: [Sursound] online multichannel release

2011-11-27 Thread etienne deleflie
AAC is certainly an excellent codec; but can you easily play back a quad file...? I really don't know. I DO know VLC plays DTS straight out of the box. The only issue with DTS files is that they are large ... and so not so good for online distribution. An advantage you get with DTS files

[Sursound] online multichannel release: HTML5 test

2011-11-26 Thread etienne deleflie
I've been meaning to try out HTML5's capabilities for a while, now seems a good time. http://soundofspace.com/static/test_html5.html This page hosts an (ambisonicaly decoded) 5.1 file in AAC and AC3 using HTML5 the browser should automatically choose the one it can support.