> reverb from specific direction = good sense for distance cue (for very > distant items, reverb is most of what you hear) > > directional reverb = 'place modelling' - different thing >
yes, I should have said something more like single-direction reverb. > "identification of sound artefacts that act as > 'icons' (Peirce) or 'symbols' of our experience of space" = > "Cartoonification" - the notion that what you perceive is the sparse > representation (gaver, lennox and Myatt, oh, and before that, PLato) > I wonder to what extent simulated spaces appear real as a result of the accurate simulation of stimuli, as opposed to the recognition of 'cartoons'. The only thing about the word 'cartoon' is it implies a bit of grotesqueness ... but I think their functioning is very subtle. Semiotic frameworks such as that of Charles Peirce indicate that references (or signs) work in different ways. For example, mono reverb acts as an "icon" (that is, it is similar to) the experience of large spaces. Whereas the recording of hair clippers acts as an "index" of close proximity (that is, it follows that, when you hear hair clippers, they will be close to you). different kinds of cartoons, not often distinguished from each other, let alone from perceptions arising from the realistic projection of sound in space. Etienne > cheers > ppl > > > Dr Peter Lennox > > School of Technology, > Faculty of Arts, Design and Technology > University of Derby, UK > e: [email protected] > t: 01332 593155 > ________________________________________ > From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On > Behalf Of etienne deleflie [[email protected]] > Sent: 25 February 2013 22:01 > To: Surround Sound discussion group > Subject: Re: [Sursound] the power of doppler shift illusion > > Jorn, > > it turned out that this monster of a piece is unkillable, no matter what we > > tried. so this evil little bear of little brain but inexhaustible > > mischievousness folded it down to mono, out of pure spite. the sound was > > still all over the place. chowning 10, bear 0. > > > > and here's to fake doppler shifts. > > > > I'd say your observation, which I agree with, suggests that space can be > perceived through the identification of sound artefacts that act as > 'icons' (Peirce) or 'symbols' of our experience of space. In other words, > the realistic projection of spatial acoustic stimuli owes much of its > success to the fact that we recognise the effect of space on sound ... and > accurate spatial projection is, in fact, not required to activate that > recognition (but supports it well, of course) > > Also, Chowning's Turenas makes extensive use of the relative relationship > between direct sound and reverberant sound, as a means to perceive > distance. He also uses a directional reverberation, for extremely far > sounds ... where what is primarily heard is the reverberant field but it > comes from a specific direction. These may be as responsible, perhaps even > more so than Doppler, for acting as 'icons' of space. > > I like Peter's suggestion that Doppler is perhaps best seen as a cue of > something passing. Good cue for revealing if one has missed the bus! > > Etienne > > > -- > > Jörn Nettingsmeier > > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > > > Meister für Veranstaltungstechnik (Bühne/Studio) > > Tonmeister VDT > > > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > > > ______________________________**_________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/**mailman/listinfo/sursound< > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound> > > > > > > -- > http://etiennedeleflie.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130226/15f7f641/attachment.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > _____________________________________________________________________ > The University of Derby has a published policy regarding email and > reserves the right to monitor email traffic. If you believe this email was > sent to you in error, please notify the sender and delete this email. > Please direct any concerns to [email protected]. > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > -- http://etiennedeleflie.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20130226/24d3e1a4/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
