Glenn,
I hate to be the one to pull the plug on everyone's drain, but
the crux of the problem which you present isin a
nutshellcapitalism, with all its incumbent selfishness and
greed.
Mind you, there is nothing wrong with money, only how it is
achieved and what is done with it. (and
Bill and all,
Please excuse me if I offend anyone's sensibilities, but why
would anyone pay $500 for a processor 1/3 the size of what they
can create themselves for $50.00?
Besides, having a reactor is one thing. What about the rest of
the process? I kinda' doubt that these units take into
Good Days,
I am interested in biodiesel for a month. I am a manager at a factory
but hate of city life.. Wanna live somewhere away from city.. and
wanna produce biodiesel. Can you advice me smtg to learn more...
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information as to which oil is better suited for biodiesel production and
why?
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Hi,
We just found ourselves with too many small stainless steel tanks
in our inventory. Take a look at the list, if you see something
you can use, send me an e-mail and I'll e-mail you the full write
up and a photo.
Thenmakes us an offer.
Thanks,
Jack Anthony
150 gallon 36 x 36 s/s
Forward:
..
Stainless Steel Tanks IN STOCK Available Immediately
Used approximately 11500 gallon vertical type 304 stainless steel
tank. Approximately 9' 6 diameter X 22' high. Flat top. Flat
sloping bottom. Bridge mounted Chemineer drive model 3HTDB-3,
3/.75 hp motor 3 phase 60 cycle 460
The one that requires the least amount of energy inputs per
gallon and pound of product and co-product yield.
Todd Swearingen
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x-richexcerptThe one that requires the least amount of energy inputs per
gallon and pound of product and co-product yield.
Todd Swearingen
/excerpt
... with which, there's information here that should help you:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
Vegetable oil yields:
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excerptGood Days,
I am interested in biodiesel for a month. I am a manager at a factory
but hate of city life.. Wanna live somewhere away from city.. and
wanna produce biodiesel. Can you advice me smtg to learn more...
/excerpt
Hello Ozan
You should be able to
Todd,
Thank you for your response. In the main, I agree with you. Perhaps what
history is teaching us is that our ideas of capitalism need to be modified,
less toward a national, and more toward a regional approach. That would
indeed be revolutionary, and perhaps require a revolution,
Glenn, Todd,
I am very glad to see such wisdom and high thoughts suddenly appearing
beautifully like lotos on the surface of this normally very down to facts
board. You may have noticed that exacly your great Country, yes, the US, is
undergoing a very special spiritual transformation exactly
Others have
advocated and practiced these principles outside of our
culture. And, can
the capitalistic system survive much longer without
incorporating these
principles? And, can not its failures and its weaknesses
largely be
attributed to not having practiced such principles?
Glenn,
From tvoivozhd:
... There may be some hope for a backyard methanol producer with the
simplicity of an ethanol still---employing catalysts to do the heavy
lifting. Not there yet, but all the avenues haven't been explored,
either.
What might not be suitable for an industrial process (i.e.,
I am totally cynical about any publicly traded press-releasing company getting
anything done with respect to renewable energy, but I thought the folks in this
group might want to note this company's Press Release announcing their
intentions for renewable energy (backed by revenues from their coal
Bill and all,
Please excuse me if I offend anyone's sensibilities, but why
would anyone pay $500 for a processor 1/3 the size of what they
can create themselves for $50.00?
Plus Heating Option: $100.
There are bigger ones, 30, 40, 60, 80, 110 gallons ($850).
Besides, having a reactor is one
I thought this guy Charles Abbott did ok with how he wrote the article. It
didn't give any perspective on the difference in BTU per gallon or annual US BTU
or OIl consumption, but it had a lot of good perspective.
If we use about 20 million barels of oil per day, this is about 840 million
HDPE conical bottom tanks won't take much heat over the long term
before warping. Maybe 110*F on a continual basis without
problems. That should be enough to keep most fats liquid during
transesterification.
Still have to heat and filter the oil, put the glycerin layer
somewhere, mix the alcohol
All,
I have some questuion inorder to compare my process with others.
What is the porcentage of Ethanol and OHK that you are using to
transesterificate?
Do you do it in Batchs?
How i the reaction temperature? How do you supply heat?
Do you use to sell the gliceryn? How is the North American
Hi,
I have been thinking about how the economy of
capitalism is getting converted into greediness.
Who is the biggest enemy of the last surviving
super power ?? Its own people, who are becoming
more ignorant, all consuming without any regard to
anything and self centered.
Probably the
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002 12:35:39 +0100, David Teal
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A prospective biodiesel user (waste management contractor) operates a fleet
already fitted with catalytic converters. Can anyone please point to an
authoritative reference which confirms that the fuel and the device are
Todd,
You say:
I've always wondered why the mainstream religions are inevitably
amongst the last to put some of their own principles into action
when it comes to
IYou cite environmental stewardship. Substitute instead, belief that
Jesus is the Christ the Son of God. Or,
Hi Keith,
I have seasonal work and often have a bit of a breather in the winter. I'm
thinking of writing a book on biodesel production from waste fryer oil. It
would cover all of the real information I've discovered in the past 5 years.
The legal, environmental, financial, chemical,
normal diesel in Europe, has no sulfur. diesel in the us does.
biodiesel/svo/wvo has no sulfur. sulfur kills cat converters.
Steve Spence
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Glenn,
I have grave reservations that if there is a God, whether the
Christian version or not, that there would be an intentional
effort to veil him or her self from anyone, save for perhaps some
extremely rare occassion(s). Such behavior would be largely
contradictory to a deity so frequently
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Hi all,
Won't water in BD harm the injector pumps? If so, should we just avoid
emulsifing water into BD.
Thanks
Ken
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Great idea! Why don't they take the concept a step further and use
non-amplified acoustic instruments and human voices, the way all music
performances used to be done?
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
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Hi all,
Won't water in BD harm the injector pumps? If so, should we just avoid
emulsifing water into BD.
Thanks
Ken
Why would it harm the injector pumps, Ken?
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Not in a financial position to start manufaturing it
... though I'd take on anyone willing to invite me
over to his home an watch him make it. It sounds like
a cool thing to watch... if not make for oneself.
Curtis
Hi Curtis
Financial position? If you drove a diesel you'd be in a financial
Hi,
We just found ourselves with too many small stainless steel tanks
in our inventory. Take a look at the list, if you see something
you can use, send me an e-mail and I'll e-mail you the full write
up and a photo.
Thenmakes us an offer.
Thanks,
Jack Anthony
150 gallon 36 x 36 s/s
Forward:
..
Stainless Steel Tanks IN STOCK Available Immediately
Used approximately 11500 gallon vertical type 304 stainless steel
tank. Approximately 9' 6 diameter X 22' high. Flat top. Flat
sloping bottom. Bridge mounted Chemineer drive model 3HTDB-3,
3/.75 hp motor 3 phase 60 cycle 460
I saw in the Phillip Calais paper that you can get the IV down with
some oils by blending with petro diesel. Does anyone happen to
know if you can blend petroD with sunflower oil?
Thanks in anticipation
James
Why don't you try it James? Small quantities in jam jars. Try 10%,
shake it up (baby
Kim,
CBA.Cost Benefit Analysiswith costs other than economic
being the motivator.
Can you heat your water with renewable resources (animal fat, veg
oil, biomass)? Then steam is the answer with less chemicals.
Are you obligated to fossil fuels to generate steam? Then it's
possible that
works now.
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I have noticed what seems, if I understand correctly (and I suspect that
I probably don't understand correctly), to be an antinomy in diesel
engine operation, and I'm wondering how to approach this problem.
Following the recent post about cooling with propylene glycol, I found
that one of the
20-25% less? vegetable oil compared to diesel is at most a 5% loss.
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From: Hakan Falk
Folks, please help me think.
I have access to the following at fire sale (90% off list) prices:
1. A nearly new four pole (slow rotation) 12.5kWh diesel generator that
can be fully user maintained.
2. A MONSTER of a brand new 24V forklift battery -- the thing weighs
nearly 7000 pounds (about
Keith,
I'll take a shot at this. I'll start with new cars - I think that's what
you're actually asking, and the list is (much) shorter. Leading the pack
are the VW Tdi offerings - the Jetta sedan and wagon, the Golf, and the
New Beetle. I think that Mercedes no longer sells a diesel in the
Steve,
I do not know your practical experience, only the numbers
for energy content.
Hakan
At 06:46 AM 8/15/2002 -0400, you wrote:
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Keith and Kim,
Personally? I'd settle for a few goats and chickens. And when
need be, put the sharpest kitchen knife to butchering use.
Not exactly what anyone who owns a butcher shop wants to hear,
but centralized meat processing is one reason why the world
consumes so much meat. Literally
I am talking about my personal butcher shop. I also use the same
facility to make cheese, so cleanliness is vital. All of my ruminants
will be strictly grass fed, when I get them. For now I buy on hoof from
a certified grassfed farm. My birds are all on the range, emus, ducks,
geese and
http://www.beyondveg.com/
More on that, and believe me I've tried...
Ken
Not everyone can stay healthy on a vegan diet. While I don't eat a lot
of meat, I do require a 6 ounce serving, five times a week. Even the
doctors that pushed the vegan diet have come to recognize this fact. I
You left out a couple:
Audi
5000 diesel
BMW sedan/stationwagon 1984? turbo-diesel
Nissan Camry
Nissan Sentra
Nissan pickup (4x4 turbo diesel)
General Motors
Oldsmobile car diesel (4.3L V6,5.7L V8)
Cadillac car
Chevrolet car (3.5L)
Chevrolet
Keith Addison wrote:
Instead of bleach to kill bacteria, I think you might be able to use
this stuff, which is certainly effective:
http://nutriteam.com/
I like to use my grey water to water my garden. I have a septic system
that was designed to water, it has sprinklers rather than a
Keith and Kim,
Personally? I'd settle for a few goats and chickens.
Not enough, if you're producing crops for your family and for sale.
And when
need be, put the sharpest kitchen knife to butchering use.
Not exactly what anyone who owns a butcher shop wants to hear,
but centralized meat
Kim,
Can't say as I've butchered a goat with the kitchen knife yet.
But I have done so with a white tail - sans back saw.
Was and wasn't kidding about moving the bandsaw to the woodshop
though. But then that would only be if there was no longer a need
for it in the butcher shop. I guess I had
Keith Addison wrote:
Instead of bleach to kill bacteria, I think you might be able to use
this stuff, which is certainly effective:
http://nutriteam.com/
I like to use my grey water to water my garden. I have a septic system
that was designed to water, it has sprinklers rather than
I'm curious about the water delays detonation part
though. 'Cause this is a DIESEL engine right??
In a spark-ignition engine, the detonation you
always hear about is caused because high cylinder
pressures are igniting the fuel (Hey, my name is spark
plug ... stop doing MY job!!). This causes
Your economics sound .. well, VERY interesting.
Especially considering our finances ..
(Think: Maybe this could help us get ourselves into
our BETTER financial position hm .)
Looking at the look on your face ... me thinks that
perhaps what I lack ... is knowledge. How
Chris writes:
Folks, please help me think.
I have access to the following at fire sale (90% off list) prices:
1. A nearly new four pole (slow rotation) 12.5kWh diesel generator that
can be fully user maintained.
2. A MONSTER of a brand new 24V forklift battery -- the thing weighs
nearly 7000
I plan on making my first ever batch soon. I'm concerned mainly with the
methanol/lye mixture and safety (especially since I barely passed my grade
11 chemistry class), but it looks like as long as I have proper protective
clothing and ventilation it shouldn't be a big deal. I've been buying BD
Yeah. I'm still getting over the jealousy of Chris
even GETTING an opportunity like this!!
Curtis
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Sheesh, Chris, what's to think about? Grab 'em quick,
even if you don't know what to do with them yet.
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 07:49
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Which is better for the environment?
Besides, my husband and I don't create enough manure to revitalize 20
acres, we need the help
From tvoivozhd:
... There may be some hope for a backyard methanol producer with the
simplicity of an ethanol still---employing catalysts to do the heavy
lifting. Not there yet, but all the avenues haven't been explored,
either.
What might not be suitable for an industrial process (i.e.,
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Date sent: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:16:30 +0900
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I am totally cynical about any publicly traded press-releasing company getting
anything done with respect to renewable energy, but I thought the folks in this
group might want to note this company's Press Release announcing their
intentions for renewable energy (backed by revenues from their coal
No problem, I am planning on getting my own small farm/ranch in the next
5-10 yrs., mean while I have been busy doing the learing now. If you have
more questions/problems, let me know, I might just have an answer.
Greg H.
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After driving a diesel vw rabbit pick up a while as I was collecting material
to make biodiesel I found the cab to be to small for the long drives. I have
since found a cheap 83 chev 1/2 ton with 4wd and a/c, dual tanks (for wvo)
and axle ratios in the mid 3.something (can't remember while
Thank you Keith! Those PDFs sure slow down this computer
but am glad to have the information available.
MH wrote:
How Big Business Feeds You Poison by Lenora Todaro
http://villagevoice.com/issues/0231/todaro.php
Anyone taken a look at the book,
Fatal Harvest
described within the
Thanks for the information. I generally brain tan the skins, but using
the rest I had not thought of, other than to feed the buzzards, that is.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
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Keith wrote:
There have been several studies that found that grassland and pasture
hold more carbon than forests do. I think it depends on the pasture,
and on the forest, but there's probably not a big difference either
way.
MH wrote:
I've heard of similar studies suggesting root growth
I thought this guy Charles Abbott did ok with how he wrote the article. It
didn't give any perspective on the difference in BTU per gallon or annual US BTU
or OIl consumption, but it had a lot of good perspective.
If we use about 20 million barels of oil per day, this is about 840 million
Hakan wrote:
I found this very interesting and if anyone knows more data on other
trees and plants, I like to know. With 25 barrels per hectare, the current
annual oil consumption would need more than 11 giga hectars of land.
The yield would be a rounded 2,500 barrel per square km and
Some people are able to thrive on diets containing such extremely low
levels of animal protein that most Westerners would starve to death on
them. The people that thrive have different intestinal bacteria than
meat-eating Westerners; the bacteria digest the vegetable matter and
then the
Ken, the battery is of the AGM type, so it does qualify in the broad
sense as lead-acid although it isn't flooded. I'm no expert on batteries
by any means, but I figure if it gets recharged when it drops down to
80%, it should do fine . . . no?
Christopher Witmer
Tokyo
Ken Provost wrote:
Chris writes:
Ken, the battery is of the AGM type, so it does qualify in the broad
sense as lead-acid although it isn't flooded. I'm no expert on batteries
by any means, but I figure if it gets recharged when it drops down to
80%, it should do fine . . . no?
From my EV days, I recall that
Check out this:
http://www.beyondveg.com/cat/topics/index.shtml
Ken
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Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 3:24 PM
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OkayI may be gullible
I do believe a vwtdi or , if it looks good after seeing one up close, the bmw
diesel and trailer might be something else to try
Erik
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Thanks murdoch and went back to check with
U.S. Geological Survey
USGS -- science for a changing world
ARE WE RUNNING OUT OF OIL?
by L.B. Magoon
Created: 8/14/00
Last modified: 6/11/01 (cad)
One page, 404K PDF
http://geopubs.wr.usgs.gov/open-file/of00-320/of00-320.pdf
MH
Industrial deep cycle batteries
Sometimes called fork lift, traction or stationary batteries, are used
where power is needed over a longer period of time, and are designed to be
deep cycled, or discharged down as low as 20% of full charge (80% DOD, or
Depth of Discharge). These are often called
Todd,
In a rare twist, it is a lot easier to find information on this in
Japanese Internet than in English; this may be due to Japanese
researchers' language limitations.
Japanese-only link at Chiba University:
http://photo-m.tp.chiba-u.ac.jp/~adeno/sci/bio.htm
I first heard about this on a
I know arguing from authority is not really kosher, but just to show
that this Tokyo University professor Mitsuoka (who puts forth the theory
that some people's intestinal flora gives them a special ability to
derive adequate protein from a low-protein diet) is not some
self-publishing
Ken,
I don't see any reference within the body of text that you site
which supports any belief that a highly meat centered diet
(Western diet) is necessary for human health.
In fact, note was made that the levels of DHA and EPA (omega-3
poly-unsaturated fatty acids) between lacto- and/or
The US government lists mpg, fuel systems, etc.
for cars light trucks from 1978 to 2002
for example --
1981 VOLKSWAGEN
mpgcu.in./cylndrs fuel trans Fuel Injection
-
PICKUP 2WD
37 97/ 4
Well Chris,
I'll tell ya' this. All that beneficial meat processing bacteria
is certainly not doing its job as efficiently as one would be led
to believe, considering the several pounds of undigested meat
found in the lower intestinal track and colon of dead meat eaters
[Western diet meat-eaters
Just make sure your draft beer hasn't had the yeast filtered out of it
and you'll be just fine. :-)
Appal Energy wrote:
What is easy is harming one's health by trying.
I suppose that's why I'm getting older by the day.If I
had only visited the meat counter with greater frequency
Ken,
I kinda' figger it like this. If as a guest I'm served a meat
dish, accept it for the gift that it is. In between, treat meat
as a delicacy, rather than a mainstay.
I believe that it was Socates who said Hunger is good sauce.
Unbelievable levels of truth in those four simple words.
As for
Sadly that practice has yet to be criminalized in the US yet.
I believe it is unaffectionately called lawn mower or near
beer.
Todd Swearingen
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