Marc Bonanni thought you'd be interested in this AutomotiveNews.com story.
Interesting for the future of biodiesel.
Detroit awakens to benefits of Europe's diesels
From
Does anyone know how they deal with fuel gelling and
low temperatures? Unless you heat your tank and all
fuel lines, you could be in real trouble running
biodiesel in a C172. It gets rather cold up there.
-B
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biodiesel/veggie oil aircraft anyone?
can anyone supply info or sites with info about recycling used engine oil as
diesel fuel ?
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coolant (and oil) heated tank and lines would be the way I would do it. with
an ac preheater for quick ground starts. this works in artic ground diesels
as well. even diesel complains at -40
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I hate to copy the whole article. I think I'll just put excerpts:
Lawmakers want to ease hybrid car fee
Ferrioli is sponsoring a bill that would reduce the registration fee for
hybrid and electric vehicles from $60 per two years to $30 ÷
FYI, CARB stands for California Air Resources Board , CARBOB stands for
California Air Resources Board Oxygenated Blend
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There's a limited amount of fresh water in the world and more demand for it
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Yes, but in an Arctic ground diesel you aren't 10,000
feet above the ground when your engine quits.
Seriously, I'm really glad to see this technology.
-B
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coolant (and oil) heated tank and lines would be the
way I would do it. with
an ac preheater for
Hi all,
I got drafted to coteach a biodiesel workshop March 16 in Hopland CA at the
Solar Living Center (RealGoods' nonprofit/educational division). I think
it's an 8-hour workshop, bring lunch. Kumar is co-owner of Yokayo Biofuels
in Ukiah, and I , uh, teach homebrew biodiesel around here way
This maybe be a newbie sort of question, but is there a site, or FAQ, that
dicusses how to convert older diesel car (late 70's Mbz) so it can run
biodiesel?
Paul
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...but not in my mind.
mark - i went with the reprocess first. took one liter of biodiesel (the
cloudy stuff I mentioned before) and processed as for virgin oil; 3.5g lye,
200ml methanol. The biodiesel was at room temperature (80 deg F here) and I
mixed for 20 minutes. After 4 hours of
I am not sure if any of you are big wendell berry fans, but his most recent
essay, which was published as a full page add in the NY Times thanks to some
serious fundraising by good friends. It is worth looking at if you haven't.
Also look at Senator Robert Byrd's statement on the senate
Well, like I briefly mentioned in the original post, in my case, the
42.4 mpg (US gal) figure includes extended stretches of 80+ cruising on
hilly uncrowded US interstates as well as a somewhat aggressive 70-75 in
traffic. Steve, I suspect you drive a little more sedately? Moreover,
I've
Hi Jon-
Welcome. With regard to the modification issue, it really breaks down to
a philosophical, moral, economic and technical choice whether you want
to run SVO (straight veg. oil) or Biodiesel. Be aware there are strong
opinions on both sides that can become rather heated in some cases.
As opposed to the off-topic political crap complaints here about Iraq news
Good articles Keith. Regarding the War with Iraq I went marching
this week and it was kind of cold with the winds blowing but the
activists where out and about in protest with 70 pro-peace, 15 pro-war.
Last week
Steve
Can you explain why 1800 rpm engines is important, or anyone else for that
matter. I am curious to know, and to take the question even further are on-grid
generators very expensive in the states?
Thanks
Doug
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Hi Martin
Great isn't it?
My father sent me a scan of a newspaper article about a man and his son
that were asked to leave a shopping mall, and later arrested because
they wore shirts that had the slogan Don't invade Iraq
They were not even protesting.
Yes, incredible. It was reported all round
This maybe be a newbie sort of question, but is there a site, or
FAQ, that dicusses how to convert older diesel car (late 70's Mbz)
so it can run biodiesel?
Paul
Hi Paul, and welcome
Just change the rubber/plastic fuel system components. You need Viton
parts (or Nitrile or neoprene).
Do a
Hi John and Jon
Hi Jon-
Welcome. With regard to the modification issue, it really breaks down to
a philosophical, moral, economic and technical choice whether you want
to run SVO (straight veg. oil) or Biodiesel.
Three choices
1. Mixing it
2. Straight vegetable oil
3. Biodiesel
A most excellent posting ,highlighting the degree of polorisation.
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Hi Martin
Great isn't it?
My father sent me a scan of a newspaper article about a man and
his son
that were asked to leave a shopping mall, and later
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:22, you wrote:
Steve
Can you explain why 1800 rpm engines is important, or anyone else for that
matter. I am curious to know, and to take the question even further are
on-grid generators very expensive in the states?
Thanks
Doug
I imagine it gives 60Hz.
2 common speeds for 60hz generator heads are 1800 rpm, or 3600 rpm. A diesel
that makes it hp rating at 1800 rpm instead of 3600 rpm lasts longer.
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I need to find a source that will itemize federal subsidies for
the oil
industry. I don't care whether they are direct or indirect, I want
to be
able to throw numbers that are supportable.
Wow, the Greenpeace report is downright exhaustive!
http://www.greenpeace.org/~climate/oil/fdsub.html
the difference between a part time generator and a full time generator is
usually the rpm that it runs at and the fuel is uses. 3600 rpm gas engines
are light duty occasional use generators, 1800 rpm diesels are for full time
on grid/off grid applications.
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The US stopped the food and fuel shipments after North Korea announced that
they themselves had broken the agreements and had produced a few nukes.
Weapons of Mass destruction that they; North Korea could shoot into the US,
with their long range missile systems. Recently the North Koreans test
http://news.statesmanjournal.com/article.cfm?i=57763
I hate to copy the whole article. I think I'll just put excerpts:
Lawmakers want to ease hybrid car fee
Ferrioli is sponsoring a bill that would reduce the registration fee for
hybrid and electric vehicles from $60 per two years to $30 ÷
Steve,
sorry to be a little picky but it is best to run an engine at peak torque
( rather than peak hp )which for most motor car Diesels is around 1800 to
2000 revs.
HP is confused by engine speed ( hp= 2.pi.N.T/ constant) where N is rpm and
T is torque. Best efficiency i.e. lowest specific fuel
FYI, CARB stands for California Air Resources Board , CARBOB stands for
California Air Resources Board Oxygenated Blend
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2/story.htm
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There's a limited amount of fresh water in the world and more demand for it
than the supply can fill. That's one reason scientists are working on
turning salt water into an alternative to fresh water for agriculture.
GSFC To Promote Seaweed Farming
The Gujarat State Fertilizers Chemicals Ltd.
Hi Harley
The US stopped the food and fuel shipments after North Korea announced that
they themselves had broken the agreements and had produced a few nukes.
Weapons of Mass destruction that they; North Korea could shoot into the US,
with their long range missile systems. Recently the North
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Cheap Solar Power on Deck
Technology Research News March 6, 2003
Solar cells are relatively pricey largely because the silicon they are made
from is expensive to manufacture ÷ it requires a clean room or high vacuum.
Solar cells
the point was you don't want a high speed diesel for long term use.
the bigger, heavier diesels run at slower rpm's and are better suited for
this application.
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Thanks Murdoch-
The higher registration fees for hybrids and electrics in Oregon are indeed
ridiculous. Still, the $30 extra is a mere pittance compared to the nearly
$3500 or so in tax credit and deductions available to hybrid and electric
car purchasers. So when I saw the complaints about the
Being a newibe here, I don't really want to start a controversy, but . . .
Every engine has a graph showing horsepower generated per pound/kilogram of
fuel consumed. When we say fuel efficiency we want to run the motor at
the rpms where the fuel is converted most efficiently. The intended
There most certainly is NOT anyone selling biodiesel at the pump in
Oakland, and no plans for one.
Can anyone else confirm the Santa Cruz one? I haven't heard about
this but I dont spend time in that end of the area. Also, is the
Sacramento one actually biodiesel or is just B20? Last I heard
Kieth:
I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph?
By that time the Clinton administration was on its way out, unable to
make any firm promises. Clinton managed to extract a promise from
North Korea, however, to halt testing of long-range missiles,
although no one really
your point about longevity is the point I'm trying to make. the original
poster wanted a full time generator. 3600 rpm gas engines will not hold up
to that duty cycle. 1800 rpm diesel's will.
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Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: Or maybe just one Was: Perhaps many ..
but not all
Is that an 'imperial' gallon or US gallon?
---
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Kieth:
I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph?
By that time the Clinton administration was on its way out, unable to
make any firm promises. Clinton managed to extract a promise from
North Korea, however, to halt testing of long-range missiles,
although no one really
what is the magic of 1800 rpm?
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Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:56:20 -0500
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onan. among a few others. the key is 1800 rpm engines.
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generator heads come in 2 versions. 1800 rpm and 3600 rpm. 3600 rpm engines
don't last as long as 1800 rpm engines. they are lighter and built for
limited use duty.
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They were arrested because they refused to leave.
They were asked, by mall security, to either take off their shirts, or
leave.
Apparently the mall didnt want a protest starting etc.
Its private property, they can do what they want.
When they refused to swap shirts, they were asked to
Heyyy, folks,
question for those using acid-base two-stage:
Aleks' directions involve an optional glycerol remix including addition of
phosphoric acid 'for easier washing'. I dont' want to try this for the same
reasons I don't add acid to wash water- the possibility of splitting up
soaps back to
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Kieth:
I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph?
By that time
Being asked to leave because the owner doesn't like what their shirts
wear is ridiculous. They weren't starting a protest. 2 people is not a
protest. They were walking, they bought the shirts in the mall.
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From:
Hello all.
That point about longevity holds true as far as I have seen here.
At the mill where I am working we have some old Deutz TDI w/Generators,
big beast, their weight is 19,5 Ton, the generator weight is 4,5 Ton,
some were built in the ''70 and they were running 24 h/7d until 1986.
They
Sounds to me like a power-hungry rent-a-cop that had an axe to grind
deserves a letter in his file or better yet, a pink-slip. I'd bet the
Albany police didn't really have a choice about taking the father and
son into custody once they were called in by mall security. Until
explicitly told
Being a newibe here, I don't really want to start a controversy, but . . .
Every engine has a graph showing horsepower generated per pound/kilogram of
fuel consumed. When we say fuel efficiency we want to run the motor at
the rpms where the fuel is converted most efficiently. The intended
Ooops. My fault. I must have been thinking about the CNG filling station
in Oakland. Sorry about that.
John
(former Piedmont resident)
girl_mark_fire wrote:
There most certainly is NOT anyone selling biodiesel at the pump in
Oakland, and no plans for one.
Can anyone else confirm the Santa
Vehicle output
Specific fuel consumption for vehicle output listed as
lbs.HPh (pounds per HorsePower per hour)
g/kWh (grams per kilowatt per hour)
g/HPh(gallons per HorsePower per hour)
I'm sorry but I goofed.
g/HPh (GRAMS per HorsePower per hour)
Are there ways of turning carbon into a SOLID which could be used for
roads, building materials etc. and not get into the atmosphere?
POC
On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, James Slayden wrote:
use the CO2 to feed algae farms. interesting I haven't seen any tech
pulling the carbon from the oxy and burning
ALCOA has carbon plants where they made large electrodes I believe for
aluminum smelters as I recall. I was doing pc repair for them about 18 years
ago, and remember having to clean the carbon dust out of their Lanier word
processors.
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Yes, but it ends up giving the process of burning hydrocarbons a
negative efficiency if you have to use energy to turn the CO2 into solid
carbon.
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Hello,
Went looking at the Golf TDI today and had TWO dealers tell me that
the engine warranty wold be VOIDED if I bought one and ran biodiesel.
I'm gonna check further intoi it, but thought I'd pass this on.
Bill in Az
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Only the manufacturer would have this data I think. For industrial engines,
they will provide it if they think you're going to buy a couple of hundred.
Otherwise, make friends with someone who owns an engine dynamometer.
Paul
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Simple, we want 60hz AC power. That's 3600 cycles of electricity per minute.
That's for generators that produce one cycle of electric power per
revolution. Some generators produce two cycles of electricity per revolution
and they run at 1800 rpm. Yes, there are generators that run at 900, 450
wear on motors increases by the square os its not linear ; double the
rpm is not half the life, it would be much less. Robert an diesels are
much heavier built , much of this shows in price.
Steve Spence wrote:
your point about longevity is the point I'm trying to make. the original
poster
Ditto on that..in my best limbaughtomized imitation.
I suppose that if a security guard doesn't like skinheads, doesn't like
cowboy attire, doesn't like the moccasins a Native American might be
wearing, doesn't like the looks of a burka, doesn't like turbans, doesn't
like long hair, doesn't
Is there Anyone in the Eugene Or area who would be willing to let me
pick there brain, as well as watch the process of bio desiel being
made. Thanks Wayne
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I doubt they did it on their own volition. They radioed it in and were given
instructions most likely.
Kirk
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Ditto on
Hello,
I need some help. I have everything all ready to
start making my own BD, but I am having a hell of a
time trying to figure out how to heat it up. I have
been looking into water heater elements, but I am not
an electrician, and I don't know how to wire it to get
electricity. I
Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war
in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor,
for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword.
It both emboldens the blood,
just as it narrows the mind.
And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch
and the blood boils with hate
Todd wrote:
I suppose that if a security guard doesn't like skinheads, doesn't like
cowboy attire, doesn't like the moccasins a Native American might be
wearing, doesn't like the looks of a burka, doesn't like turbans, doesn't
like long hair, doesn't like afros, doesn't like nose rings, doesn't
Hi Harley
Kieth:
I read the news story by Ms. Tomchick. What about this paragraph?
By that time the Clinton administration was on its way out, unable to
make any firm promises. Clinton managed to extract a promise from
North Korea, however, to halt testing of long-range
Easiest and safest method is to use hot H20 in a heat exchanger. You can do
that either with a hot H20 tank that is separate from building service or
already in service. The latter would be done by cracking into the line and
installing a loop that runs to your processor and back to the H20 tank
Have you thought about fish aquarium heaters?
Greg H.
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 20:29
Subject: [biofuel] How to heat a BD processor
Hello,
I need some help. I have everything all ready to
start
I guess people don't understand, that many rent-a-cops, are military and
police, on off duty hours or retired, trying to make ends meet.
Greg H.
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Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 21:15
Subject: Re: [biofuel]
Hi all,
I got drafted to coteach a biodiesel workshop March 16 in Hopland CA at the
Solar Living Center (RealGoods' nonprofit/educational division). I think
it's an 8-hour workshop, bring lunch. Kumar is co-owner of Yokayo Biofuels
in Ukiah, and I , uh, teach homebrew biodiesel around here way
Way wrong temperature.
mark
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Have you thought about fish aquarium heaters?
Greg H.
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