[biofuels-biz] Coconut Crazy

2003-07-04 Thread Bruce
This message is for Michael Allen: I am looking for specifics regarding coconut oil as an energy feedstock. Specifically, what is the ratio of nuts (per ton) to barrel yield of fuel? What is the btu content of coconut oil? I am researching the fesibility of replacement of diesel fuel in

[biofuels-biz] Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination for cheaper production of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Catalysts made of nickel and aluminum produce hydrogen but also produce methane, an unwanted pollutant. By adding more tin to the combination, the production of methane was halted, while the production of hydrogen was increased, Dumesic said. This is a big deal, to me. I wonder if or how

[biofuels-biz] Wood-To-Electricity

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
http://www.covantaenergy.com/energy/biomass.php4 I was just in Oroville, one of the four sites listed, and a resident told me that in the past, waste wood that had been cleared or cut down but not used was piled up in the forests, making them hard to pass through, and then burned in the winter

[biofuels-biz] Re: [renewable-energy] Wood-To-Electricity

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
I did not research how old some of the plants were. What I did do, within the last week, was talk to a retired engineer who lived in the area. He reported to me what I have already written. He also said that emissions didn't seem to be an issue, that scrubbing was excellent (in his view).

Re: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-04 Thread Robert Mills
robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Mills wrote: The electrolysis of water cannot be called a renewable resource simply because it is a process used to change a renewable resource called water and not within itself a renewable resource. Oh brother, here we go!

RE: [biofuel] No need for conservation?

2003-07-04 Thread Henderson, Garry
Many of the other emissions have much higher greenhouse gas impact than CO2. Methane, a common exhaust emission - particularly from diesels, has 20 times the greenhouse gas impact than CO2. As always a holistic view is required. I think it would be really useful if this forum could help with

RE: [biofuel] Ethanol fuel engine alterations

2003-07-04 Thread Henderson, Garry
The other really important thing to check is the corrosion potential of the other components in the fuel system and the engine itself. In particular check the compatibility of the seals and pipes. You should also make sure that the injectors are up to the task. Ethanol is very corrosive,

RE: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-04 Thread Henderson, Garry
Absolutely correct Robert Mills. I should also point out that wind generators could also be used. This combination usually overcomes difficulties of when sufficient sunshine is not available! Garry. -Original Message- From: Robert Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 4 July

Re: [biofuel] FW: [h2view] Need a place to store your h2? -- crosspost

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
A Texaco rep told me a couple of years ago, that the reason they took a stake in ECD was, firstly, Hydrogen storage. That said, there are criticisms to be made of ECD's method, and for some reason Texaco appeared to pull back recently from one of their ECD joint ventures, I'm not sure why.

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination for cheaper production of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Catalysts made of nickel and aluminum produce hydrogen but also produce methane, an unwanted pollutant. By adding more tin to the combination, the production of methane was halted, while the production of hydrogen was increased, Dumesic said. This is a big deal, to me. I wonder if or how

Re: [biofuel] Bring them on!

2003-07-04 Thread MH
Wednesday it was We didn't ask for this war, even though he did everything but beg for it. Thursday it was Bring them on. Brave words when it's not his life in the gun sights. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/03/national1535EDT0647.DTL Democrats

Re: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-04 Thread Hakan
Bob, One thing is to close your mind to development, and completely other is to (mis)use a technology for political and corporate reasons. Hydrogen have been researched and used for around 100 years. We know a lot about hydrogen and therefore we can do quite good assessment of its

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel reaction / reactor type

2003-07-04 Thread Keith Addison
Reading the reasoning behind the two stage process approach it seems to me that the benefit lies in the two different equilibrium points (first stage mass conversion to biodiesel and second stage the -more or less - 100% completion of that conversion). Am I right so far? If this is correct then

Re: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-04 Thread Keith Addison
Robert Mills wrote: To all; Do not hold back on your opinions in these discussions. Just think back to some past date when someone told you something that you didn't know and you were so surprised that you commented; Boy, I would never have thought of that, what an idea!! Off we go with

Re: VS: [biofuel] Re: Reusing washing water

2003-07-04 Thread mark schofield
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Re: [biofuel] Methanol Dehydration CaO

2003-07-04 Thread mark schofield
Nope, as far as I have read methanol also forms an azeotrope. Mark Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups

Re: [biofuel] Riello burner non-information

2003-07-04 Thread mark schofield
Whats the name of this company offering vegetable oil burners? Mark, UK --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: biofuel@yahoogroups.com wrote: Many thanks Hakan, The old oil fired range may have new green lease life I live near Waterford Ireland, where company manufacture these units, veggie

Re: [biofuel] The Hydrogen hype, the scam artists at work.

2003-07-04 Thread Hakan
Bob, I was very tempted to touch this before, but refrained from sending that part. Since Keith started it, I will do it now. The biofuel list is a real Think Tank, it is hard to get closer to this definition. The boys and girls that are participating are big in their thought and minds. If

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
I abandoned the project because fermentation into ethanol produces a fuel that is much easier to handle. There's a bit less energy involved in hydrogen production, but the need for gas compression narrows that gap considerably. This is why I've been saying that it is not a foregone

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Thanks for the explanations. Wouldn't ethanol be a good end-goal if not a good feedstock? On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:06:43 -0600, you wrote: True, but, this method also gives of CO2 as well as the H2. These two together, are precursors for Methanol which is a basic feedstock for many of the

[biofuel] started out in western australia

2003-07-04 Thread steve perks
l've just started in bio-diesel brewing, l'm wanting help in setting up a home brew kit,can anyone recommend systems? best mixing options [mixed pump or the old drill with a prop method?] system designs welcome plus photos and tips would be most welcome. also how would l find suppliers in my

[biofuel] Brain fart. Any comments

2003-07-04 Thread A Wilkins
Hello, first of all this is just a brain fart. I was toying with the idea of community supplied power from a diesel generator running on WVO. I have located several large generators. The one I was toying with was a 650Kw that uses 174 L/h at 100% load. @ $.20 a litre for WVO the

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread James Slayden
I really like the idea of producing H2 and Meth that this method proposes. It would be a great source of Bio-Methanol for other processes as well as supplying H2 for various applications (think stationary fuel cells for backup power generation). James Slayden On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Greg and

Re: [biofuel] No need for conservation?

2003-07-04 Thread James Slayden
I agree that B100 in any application is a great idea, but most people are just not there yet, nor are there the clean high milage diesels in any great numbers in the US (but we can hope on the Lupo!!). Personally I am waiting for the diesel Jeep Liberty this fall. James Slayden On Thu, 3 Jul

Re: [biofuel] Brain fart. Any comments

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
I've never understood why cogeneration can't be used in car engines, but in community power plants, I had thought is was not uncommon. It is also an assumption that some fuel cell dreamers make (that they will use cogeneration) to come up with some of their better efficiency numbers. On Fri, 4

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Whatever happened to the talk of Hythane that I kept hearing? This deliberate mixture of Hydrogen and natural gas was mentioned to me by several people as one of the fuels of the near-future. http://www.hydrogencomponents.com/hythane.html On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 09:10:39 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I

[biofuel] Re: [renewable-energy] Wood-To-Electricity

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
I did not research how old some of the plants were. What I did do, within the last week, was talk to a retired engineer who lived in the area. He reported to me what I have already written. He also said that emissions didn't seem to be an issue, that scrubbing was excellent (in his view).

Re: [biofuel] started out in western australia

2003-07-04 Thread Keith Addison
l've just started in bio-diesel brewing, l'm wanting help in setting up a home brew kit,can anyone recommend systems? best mixing options [mixed pump or the old drill with a prop method?] system designs welcome plus photos and tips would be most welcome. also how would l find suppliers in my

Re: [biofuel] Seems kinda fishy that Bushy missed that physical exam: wasBring them on!

2003-07-04 Thread Kris Book
Is anyone familiar with President Bush's military service record ?? http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/02/ma_217_01.html --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wednesday it was We didn't ask for this war, even though he did everything but beg for it. Thursday it was Bring them

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination for cheaper production of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread Greg and April
A reformer is what many fuel cells use, so that they can use a heavier fuel than H2, but it generally comes at a cost of decreased efficiency. On the other hand, fuel cells that run 'hot' like Solid Oxide Fuel cells, are hot enough that they don't need a separate reformer, and can even use

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread Greg and April
- Original Message - From: murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 09:19 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combination forcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel Thanks for the explanations. Wouldn't ethanol be a good end-goal

RE: [biofuel] Brain fart. Any comments

2003-07-04 Thread Ethan Vos
If the 556 kw is the exhaust rejection you're forgetting and equal amount from the cooling system. Rule of thumb for internal combustion engine is that only about 1/3 of the power generated from the combustion goes to the driven load. Maybe 10% to friction and the rest disappears as heat. Ethan

[biofuel] Re: Ammonia as Fuel

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Very interesting article, thx! I'm going to pass it on to the other groups where we were also getting feedback on the pros and cons of Ammonia as Fuel. I knew that the military was working on urine-as-fuel, and I always thought this was good. After all, their logic could be that men in the

Re: [biofuel] Researchers find new metal combinationforcheaperproduction of hydrogen as fuel

2003-07-04 Thread robert luis rabello
murdoch wrote: I abandoned the project because fermentation into ethanol produces a fuel that is much easier to handle. There's a bit less energy involved in hydrogen production, but the need for gas compression narrows that gap considerably. This is why I've been saying that it is

Re: [biofuel] Bring them on!

2003-07-04 Thread MH
I had asked -- Is anyone familiar with President Bush's military service record ?? Thanks Kris for the link. I came across another but first a quote from former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt -- To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by

Re: [biofuel] started out in western australia

2003-07-04 Thread Appal Energy
First go around? Start out on the cheap. You can put something together every bit as well as anyone else (even if you've never screwed a nut and bolt together before.) You'll learn a great deal, probably feel a bit self-accomplished and save yourself a couple of g's besides. If you've got the

Re: [biofuel] Bring them on!

2003-07-04 Thread Appal Energy
Why did Bill Clinton's draft dodging merit 13,641 major news stories, while GW Bush's desertion merit only 49? http://www.awolbush.com There are several working theories on that. The first is that Bill Clinton wasn't exactly prone to playing by the established rules and left a long list of

[biofuel] OT: metalistservs

2003-07-04 Thread Ken Provost
I'll try to be brief :-) I've noticed that on most of the listservs I've been involved with, mention of topics from the other listservs was considered OT. It just got me thinkin, are there metalistservs that just add the contents of some number of other listservs, to create something where you

Re: [biofuel] OT: metalistservs

2003-07-04 Thread doug foskey
On Saturday 05 July 2003 11:55 am, Ken Provost wrote: I'll try to be brief :-) I've noticed that on most of the listservs I've been involved with, mention of topics from the other listservs was considered OT. It just got me thinkin, are there metalistservs that just add the contents of some

Re: [biofuel] Riello burner non-information

2003-07-04 Thread Appal Energy
Damian Mark, This addy might be a bit more navigable. http://www.rielloburners.com/cgi-bin/burners/riello/init.do I couldn't find a front or back door into any product descriptions at the other url. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Bulletin - July 2, 2003

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 13:45:29 +0900, you wrote: FYI, FWIW: I love this Berkeley story, and the others about incentives for some states. I like these stories for several reasons, but since we discuss so much of the American political system here, let me point out that among other issues here is

[biofuel] (fwd) DOE Awards $89M to Low-Income Weatherizing

2003-07-04 Thread murdoch
Attn: Presidential Candidate Hakan Falk. Thought your team might need this info for your campaign: On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 15:48:51 -0700 (PDT), Green Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Energy Department Awards $89.4 Million to 19 States to Weatherize Homes of Low-Income Families Tue Jul 1, 3:17 PM ET

RE: [biofuel] Brain fart. Any comments

2003-07-04 Thread kirk
If you are going to build that large a system you should explore Brayton cycle with recovery. The textbooks claim 72% theoretical vs about 40 for the best diesel. ALso I would site my generation where I had a use for the heat. Heat a lot of space or water with the waste heat. Kirk -Original

Re: [biofuel] OT: metalistservs

2003-07-04 Thread Keith Addison
I'll try to be brief :-) I've noticed that on most of the listservs I've been involved with, mention of topics from the other listservs was considered OT. That's not the case here Ken, cross-posts are welcome. MM has discussed this quite a lot, among others. There are some problems, one being

Re: [biofuel] OT: metalistservs

2003-07-04 Thread Ken Provost
on 7/4/03 7:15 PM, doug foskey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea I think that has relevance to us is setting up a Wiki for Biodiesel: this is a user-editable site, is starting to become more common. (Google it for more info) Doug I must be missing something -- I COULDNT figure