Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Art Krenzel
Keith, I join your efforts! I am the strongest proponent of returning biomass to soil as soil amendment. I began the world's largest composting program twelve years ago. Now it is returning 1.2 million tons per year of ag wastes back to farmland as soil amendment each year. Please

Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class

2004-04-26 Thread rico suavae
I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the Chi Town/tri state area.Please contact me off list. Paul girl_mark_fire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've gotten quite a flurry of off-list interest from people in other areas of the country who

[biofuel] nice biodiesel reactor photos from Maine

2004-04-26 Thread girl mark
Hi, As some of you know, we have a homebrew biodiesel equipment photo and plans archive at www.veggieavenger.com/media - the home of the 'water heater'-based reactor as well as many others. If you have any photos of your biodiesel gear (or svo or waste oil burners for that matter!) and

[biofuel] Ph meter

2004-04-26 Thread druid_brainchild
H everyone. can anywone tell me where i can get a digital Ph meter,and a hydrometer? thanks for all help. Brain Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on

[biofuel] Ecuador

2004-04-26 Thread Marcelo Karolys
Our company is working jointly with the Government to develop a project of process Ethanol from the sugar cane and / or from corn. We want to know the possibility of a strategic alliance or a participation in the project with your company, please communicate your interest We are looking for a

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread murdoch
To what you're written I would add some mention of public transportation, which in the end I'm guessing is dramatically safer per passenger-mile traveled, in addition perhaps to having some different uses of fuel per passeger-mile traveled, and perhaps having some different 'valuation' of those

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
On Sunday, April 25, 2004, at 05:53 PM, murdoch wrote: To what you're written I would add some mention of public transportation, which in the end I'm guessing is dramatically safer per passenger-mile traveled, in addition perhaps to having some different uses of fuel per passeger-mile

Re: [biofuel] OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-26 Thread robert luis rabello
Keith Addison wrote: big snip What do you want your driving habit to support? This is a critical question; one that is difficult to answer because I personally find it very hard to admit how deeply the influence of us versus them runs in my veins. I was brought up in a

RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Gene Chaffin
Guys, please don't waste the money on chemicals converting wvo to biodiesel to burn in a stationary genset. Just heat it up to 120oF, filter it down to ten microns and then burn it directly in the genset using the jacket water to heat the vo up to 200oF for the final burning in the genset. I

[biofuel] Vancouver or Edmonton

2004-04-26 Thread gregkarais
Hi there everyone, I've been watching and reading the biodiesel group for about two months now and am wondering if there are any Canadians out there in Vancouver or Edmonton, better yet the Yukon or Alaska who are producing their own biodiesel? I wouldn't mind having a peer to help me along

[biofuel] NYT Article - New Allies in the Energy Wars

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
New Allies in the Energy Wars Published: April 26, 2004 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/26/opinion/26MON5.html?th The spirit of bipartisanship on energy and environmental policy that has taken root among Eastern governors is showing signs of life in the West, traditionally an area of nonstop

[biofuel] Re: Vancouver or Edmonton

2004-04-26 Thread Brian
There is a section on biodiesel in winter on the journey to forever website. It may take a little looking, but if you go to journeytoforever.org, I know it is there somewhere. Good luck. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, gregkarais [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there everyone, I've

Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Hi Gene, this is a whole new aspect to run my Gen.The WVO i have at the moment is very clean,but thick.haeting up the Fuel is no problem either.but i can not erford to take a chance to kill my motor!! i need to be shure,is there any input of the Motorexperts? Fritz - Original Message

[biofuel] Re: OT: House of Bush, House of Saud book report

2004-04-26 Thread Brian
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . It is too many decent Americans, for Bush to get away with it. Oh, how I wish that this were true. Unfortunately, rhetoric trumps common sense in the current political climate, and we have a president and ruling party

[biofuel] Re: nice biodiesel reactor photos from Maine

2004-04-26 Thread Brian
Mark, Thank you for all of the effort that you put in. You have been a huge help to me as I venture into this area. I'm sure that the same is true for many others as well. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, girl mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As some of you know, we have a

[biofuel] Biodiesel Class Tour... coming Re: biodiesel class

2004-04-26 Thread Brian
If you do end up doing anything in the Chicago area, please let the list know as well. I'm in Indiana, and would definitely be interested in coming to a workshop. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, rico suavae [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be intrested in anything that turns up around the

[biofuel] Re: Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-26 Thread Brian
They must all be in Indianapolis. It seems that big SUVs are almost a fourth of all vehicles here. I've never sat and counted, so my perception may be off, but I am certainly seeing far more than you. Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Lillie Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I drive

Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-26 Thread Ken Richardson
I was in Cleveland ,Ohio this Sat. Morning on the Intrastate Roads I-77 I-71 everywhere pulling trailers of boats,campers,4- wheelers,tractors and toys and more not . More Hummers than I had ever seen before, all the biggest and baddest where headed South out of town. Ken [Non-text

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
Hi Greg, Please provide a source for your statement number 2. On the face of it, I find it highly unlikely. Derek At 1:51 PM 4/25/04, Neoteric Biofuels Inc wrote: Over 42,000 US citizens are killed per year, by each other, using cars. Close to 3,000,000 injured. (1) (What makes it

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread bearbvd
At 7:08 AM 4/26/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, Please provide a source for your statement number 2. On the face of it, I find it highly unlikely. Derek Simple. Read any statistics on the number of abortions performed in the USA annually. Greg 1. Your handgun related death number is

Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Gene, this is a whole new aspect to run my Gen.The WVO i have at the moment is very clean,but thick.haeting up the Fuel is no problem either.but i can not erford to take a chance to kill my motor!! i need to be shure,is there any input of the Motorexperts? Fritz Hi Fritz What kind of

[biofuel] Re: Vancouver or Edmonton

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Brian, Greg There is a section on biodiesel in winter on the journey to forever website. It may take a little looking, but if you go to journeytoforever.org, I know it is there somewhere. Good luck. Brian Yes it is there somewhere Brian. :-) It's accessed from the Biodiesel and your

[biofuel] FW: Co-opet conference on energy issues in transport, Brussels, 25-26 May 2004

2004-04-26 Thread Pelkmans Luc
Interesting event, especially for European members: CO-OPET Conference Energy Issues in Transport 25-26 May 2004, Brussels The Organisations for the Promotion of Energy Technologies (OPET) in cooperation with ManagEnergy are organising a two-day conference on energy-related issues in

Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Thanks Keith, its a Mitsubishi of hand i think a 91 6 cylindre but exact specs i will give you later today Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel

[biofuel] Fortune 500 WVO ??

2004-04-26 Thread biobenz
Either I have hit the fortune 500 of WVO or something is amiss. I am more inclined to think it is the later 'cause when it's too good to be true it usually is :o). I went and absconded with a sample of some WVO from the Chinese restaurant we've been going to for some time and then titrated it

Re: [biofuel] Big and Bad: How The SUV ran over automotive safety

2004-04-26 Thread murdoch
In addition to the other answers you've received, I will put in my two cents, which is that, in this rural part of Southern Arizona, I have looked around in a parking lot recently where it was hard to find too many cars. This helps bring to our attention the connection between the pickup trucks

RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Gene Chaffin
Fritz: Contact your engine manufacture and ask if it is OK to run on biodiesel. If yes, then running on straight vo is even better because you do not have the caustic affects of the lye from the biodiesel process. From fryer to the fuel is a good reference. Keep in touch, I'll be your test

Re: [biofuel] Fortune 500 WVO ??

2004-04-26 Thread Neoteric Biofuels Inc
Just one...be sure to label the beer bottle! Better yet, use something that won't be confused with a food or beverage container to store make up and store your sodium methoxide in, or the headlines will be interesting. Edward Beggs On Monday, April 26, 2004, at 08:36 AM, biobenz wrote:

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Art Krenzel
RR, If you do not see any reason why only mineral residues should be returned to soil, you do not understand how natural soil works. The carbon which is returned in the form of a soil amendment acts as food for the biology which converts soil minerals into plant available materials for

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
Hi Greg, That qualifier helps tremendously! Derek At 7:08 AM 4/26/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, Please provide a source for your statement number 2. On the face of it, I find it highly unlikely. Derek Simple. Read any statistics on the number of abortions performed in the

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
Hi Art, Thank you for the link. Very interesting. I get to Spain from time-to-time and I'd like to try and see the prototype. Derek Derek, Try this one for size: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/08/21/aus_power_020821 Art Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-26 Thread Hakan Falk
Derek, I do not think that Spain can show anything today, Scientists have already built a successful prototype in Manzanares, Spain. The plant operated from 1982 and 1989 and had a consistent output of 50 kilowatts of green energy. Do not operate after 1989 as far as I can understand.

Re: [biofuel] Deserts - was Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology ...

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
Hakan, My condolences. Although I hesitate to speak for the list in general, you and I have been here together for a number of years. You speak out much more frequently than I, but regardless, I think after a while of sharing experiences together, albeit through a list, one gets a feeling of

[biofuel] Join NESEA's Green Car Club gathering in the City of Burlington, NJ

2004-04-26 Thread tourdesol2004
Green Car owners and ethusiasts are invited to join NESEA's Green Car Club gathering on Saturday, May 22. Dozens of people who own green vehicles will gather at the City of Burlington, NJ for a full day of activities that include joining the Tour de Sol participants and showing off their cars

Re: [biofuel] Re: OT: Worldwide Publicly Traded Sustainable Technology or Conservation Investments

2004-04-26 Thread desertstallion
Hi, I guess a good excuse to take a trip to Australia!! One would think that if it were working well in Manzanares, they would have left it functioning. Regards, Derek Derek, I do not think that Spain can show anything today, Scientists have already built a successful prototype in

[biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread j_schearer2000
What about BC International Corporation located in Massachusetts, U.S.? From what I have read from their website, they have already been converting cellulosic biomass to ethanol for some time now. They claim to have numerous patents on their technology, so it sounds like this is big

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hello Art Keith, I join your efforts! Excellent! I am the strongest proponent of returning biomass to soil as soil amendment. I began the world's largest composting program twelve years ago. Now it is returning 1.2 million tons per year of ag wastes back to farmland as soil amendment

[biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Darryl notified my off-list that one of the links at our Ethanol from cellulose section was dead, this one: Wood-Ethanol Report: Technology Review, Environment Canada 1999 -- good overview of the problem and the current solutions on offer. Quite an interesting report. He'd checked and I also

RE: [biofuel] using biodiesel in a diesel generator

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Gene Fritz: Contact your engine manufacture and ask if it is OK to run on biodiesel. If yes, then running on straight vo is even better because you do not have the caustic affects of the lye from the biodiesel process. Properly made biodiesel does not have any caustic effects from lye.

Re: [biofuel] Fortune 500 WVO ??

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Either I have hit the fortune 500 of WVO or something is amiss. I am more inclined to think it is the later 'cause when it's too good to be true it usually is :o). I went and absconded with a sample of some WVO from the Chinese restaurant we've been going to for some time and then titrated it to

Re: [biofuel] OT: auto safety tips

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
At 7:08 AM 4/26/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Greg, Please provide a source for your statement number 2. On the face of it, I find it highly unlikely. Derek Simple. Read any statistics on the number of abortions performed in the USA annually. Greg Oh-ho, here we go - guns and

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Art Krenzel
Keith, No, I don't have a website. I am one of the old foggies who just keeps his head down working every day. :-) I do like your forum though. Art - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:12 AM Subject: Re:

[biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread j_schearer2000
I agree with the idea of returning ag waste to the cropland, but there are other sources. A large percentage of cellulosic biomass comes from cities, parks within cities, housing complexes, suburbs. Everytime I take a drive into the more populated areas in the spring, summer, and fall, I

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Art Keith, No, I don't have a website. I am one of the old foggies who just keeps his head down working every day. :-) I do like your forum though. Art I'm glad you like it Art, but it's not my forum, I'm just the skivvy around here - it belongs to everyone who uses it. There's

[biofuel] Re: Re: Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread bryan
Art, You should consider not using old numbers on energy used in ethanol production. It has been discussed several times in this forum how current, and more accurate, numbers show that producing ethanol, at least from corn, is energy positive, not energy negative. Not to mention the newer

[biofuel] 78 mercedes 300d

2004-04-26 Thread pivincent
I was once discouraged from buying a mid-eighties 190D. How about a 1978 300D? I can get one here in for 3000$ (Canadian). It looks to be in pretty good shape. No visible rust. Good glass. The used car salesman claims it has only 124,000 miles. Tranny, interior and body apparently

[biofuel] Re: Fortune 500 WVO ?? - Keith

2004-04-26 Thread biobenz
Thanks for the encouragement. This is just your run-o-the-mill out in the back in a 45 gal drum Chinese restaurant WVO. Is using the 70% isopropyl OK? After a couple of hours (I didn't really observe it all that time though) I have sepeartion in the product. One layer is VERY dark, almost

Re: [biofuel] Re: Re: Re: Cellulose-Alcohol story.

2004-04-26 Thread Art Krenzel
RR, Sorry to rain on your parade but the recent numbers that I read from as late as a year ago, when the costs of production include replacement cost of farm machinery and consumables, the equation is a break even at best but more likely still a loss. I am willing to listen but show me the

[biofuel] elsbett conversion

2004-04-26 Thread meimeid383
I have a 96 passat tdi that I am interested in converting to run on SVO through the elsbett system. I live in santa cruz, CA and I'm looking for someone in the bay area that is knowledgable and willing to help with this. thanks. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: