Re: [Biofuel] The Alt Fuels Distraction

2006-06-06 Thread lres1
Seems so far we have been doing very well with using 3 year old wasted glutinous rice not fit for human consumption. Twould appear that there is a lot of rice wasted when rains come at the wrong time and destroy the crop, however it is still top rice for Ethanol. Rice stored on cement floors with

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/9448194/bushs_fake_aid? Rolling Stone : Mar 10, 2006 Bush's Fake Aid The president's $5 billion program does more for foreign banks than the needy In March 2002, with one war raging in Afghanistan and another looming in Iraq, President Bush announced

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Who said that you should not use controlled ventilation and proper construction? Hakan At 16:49 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Guys; I had also heard that sealing up a house that tight leads to indoor air quality issues (especially if the ubiquitous OSB and MDFB materials are used along with all

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Fritz, I do not understand this dialogue, when you have a whole nation who on average use 1/3 of energy compared to US and 1/4 compared to Canada, based on equivalent to R-2000 from 1978 and R-1000 from 1958. I like log homes and your sales pitch have some values for home buyers, but it is

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Keith, Looking at is this way, we can be happy that US aid per capita is much lower than many other developed economies. It is apart from this, a shame to use the little that they give, in the way they do it. Hakan At 17:39 05/06/2006, you wrote: Well, I'm by no means an expert, but I have

Re: [Biofuel] an apology

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews

2006-06-06 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hakan, the thing is not about controlled Ventilation,but more about mechanical controlled Ventilation! Here the replaced20 years ago Windows in our local Schools to install mosttly Fix Panes with very little openings on the Bottoms of the fixed Panes,to find out after 10 Years of use,that

[Biofuel] Ethanol boom or bust?

2006-06-06 Thread Darryl McMahon
Ethanol boom or bust? Whether Canada's answer to Kyoto will work is the mystery Paul Jay Citizen Special Saturday, May 27, 2006 Murray Sharp can remember his days working for a farm co-operative in Chatham, Ont., in 1965, back when corn fetched $4 a bushel and the promise of a good living for

[Biofuel] Going against the grain (ethanol fuel vs. food)

2006-06-06 Thread Darryl McMahon
(Sorry, forgot to include the URL for the previous article posted. It is: http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/observer/story.html?id=9898cb38-839e-4e59-95ec-20d4a96ee4b9 )

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm

2006-06-06 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hakan, i think you missed my point,i dont say you should not build conventional Homes,its the Formula of Vapourbarriers and Windwrapping wich should not be written in Granit,my Formula would be Insulation,wich allow breathing of the Walls,in German called " Diffusionsoffen" i guess in

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Fritz, I agree with you, but it has very little to do with the insulation standard. In Sweden we have special ventilation windows, and often mechanical ventilation with heat pump recuperation, very energy efficient even for one family homes. The ventilation windows are used for the rapid

Re: [Biofuel] Going against the grain (ethanol fuel vs. food)

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
On the other hand, we Americans could afford to eat LESS High Fructose Corn Syrup. Corn is only a good food for humans if it is fairly unrefined. The bulk of corn grown in the US is for cattle feed. Grass is better. -Mike Darryl McMahon wrote: (Sorry, forgot to include the URL for the

Re: [Biofuel] an apology

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Besides, if only the rest of the US has as much personal insight and ability to say I made a mistake and I'm sorry -Weaver Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made

Re: [Biofuel] an apology

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
And thank you Hakan, that was graceful and well done. You are gentlemen in addition to being a scholar. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, Thanks and you have done no harm in any way. Hakan At 22:18 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago.

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Fritz, If it is about wind and humidity barriers, I did not misread you. Insulation is quite useless over a very small dimension 50 to 100 mm, if you do not take the opportunity to control the then dominant air and humidity carried energy losses. This does not mean that you are forced to

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
maybe the Asian counries are cutting back on their aid to the US. Hakan Falk wrote: Keith, Looking at is this way, we can be happy that US aid per capita is much lower than many other developed economies. It is apart from this, a shame to use the little that they give, in the way they do it.

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
When I worked for a US Gov't aid agency, one of my first web jobs was to put together an online map showing hoe US aid benefited each state so the representatives could use it to show that most of the money flowed back to the US. The agency commisioned a survey: Most Americans believed that

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, You wrote: I had a problem once in the past when I tried to reprocess partially reacted stuff and treating it as if it was virgin oil, the symptom was as if too much caustic was used and I assume this is because some catalyst was already present in the partially reacted fuel. I don't

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, This was very interesting to hear, because it show how systematic it was/is. I had some insight in foreign aid from Sweden and some other donor countries, which have 10 to 20 times higher part of GDP than US. One of the holy principles is that it should be spent on the best value for the

Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning

2006-06-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
Interesting that you dont see man as part of earth's evolution. Are we ETs? KirkDoug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison suggested that this discussion topic is an annual as the burning of topic, I just can't recall that, or if my following comments may have been said by others.

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Bob, You Wrote: 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation if true. I googled around a bit and find nothing. Any hints as to

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Bob Carr
Hi Joe, I have encountered a similar problem when trying to use up all the old rubbish in my workshop. I made an acid/base batch using the dregs from the bottom of my wvo settling tank, reclaimed methanol and some very heavily carbonated lye. The result was similar to your worst oil ever batch,

Re: [Biofuel] Water: a commodity or a fundamental human right?

2006-06-06 Thread A. Lawrence
Soon enough, with some more CO2 emissions etc, there will be water enough for all, and then some... in the right form, but we may not like having our beachfront homes under water... - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday,

Re: [Biofuel] an apology

2006-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mike Thanks, but no apology necessary on my part. Namaste Keith Hi everyone, I've been thinking about a few posts I made a short time ago. Looking back, it is clear that frustrations in my personal life were vented toward the biofuels group. I made inappropriate remarks and baseless

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
Thank you Mr Kelly for the fascinating information. I will try to post some url's for references I have foundsometime today. I am at the moment trying to get some information from Marubeni America Corp re some illuminators. The Doctor at U of Wisconsin said that the ir penetrated 23cm at useful

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Tom; That is very useful information. Yes in the past I reprocessed (after draining glycerin) with 10% MEOH and 5.8 g/l KOH and I got soap but come to think of it this may not have been as I assumed because of too much caustic (due to residual still in the esters) it probably was due to

Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit

2006-06-06 Thread bob allen
see also http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/06/AR2006060600154.html Texas Drivers Cruise at 80 Mph on I20 By BETSY BLANEY The Associated Press Tuesday, June 6, 2006; 3:38 AM PECOS, Texas -- It was driving as usual for Steve Masters as he hit 80 mph along Interstate

Re: [Biofuel] way off topic

2006-06-06 Thread bob allen
mark manchester wrote: You were not specific, Bob, about what sort of advice you had in mind. I will only be in NS for about 4 days so I was looking for recommendations on a few really neat places that I ought to see. The only thing I want to see for sure is the Bay of Fundy and the record

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Street
Holy crap I don't think they are using diodes to get that intensity. 4 joules/cm^2 Isn't that like 40 suns intensity? How do they keep from burnig these tissues up? Joe Kirk McLoren wrote: Thank you Mr Kelly for the fascinating information. I will try to post some url's for references I

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Joe Street
Hi Bob and thanks; Well it makes sense the way you described it and if you had 24% unreacted stuff I would assume you would calculate both the caustic amount and the methanol amount based on that 24%. I think I am going to get some better feedstock and just mix in a little of the worst oil

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
I used to know some Swedish guys - was the group SETA? or SEDA? The did good work. Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, This was very interesting to hear, because it show how systematic it was/is. I had some insight in foreign aid from Sweden and some other donor countries, which have 10 to 20 times

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Mike, The name is SIDA and it is the government group for foreign aid. Many years ago (around 30), before I moved out of Sweden, I participated in some work. Hakan At 19:20 06/06/2006, you wrote: I used to know some Swedish guys - was the group SETA? or SEDA? The did good work. Hakan Falk

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread bob allen
Howdy Tom, Thomas Kelly wrote: Bob, You Wrote: 40%-wow, and how does this light get to the mitochondria? what photosynthetic apparatus exists in the mitochondria that isn't reported in any current biochemistry textbook? This is an astounding revelation if true. I googled around a

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
just isnt so sort of flies in the face of 95% of the mice recovering their sight dont you think? Methanol poisoning is fairly well understood I believe.Kirkbob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howdy Tom,Thomas Kelly wrote: Bob, You Wrote: "40%-wow, and how does this light get to the

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
A joule is a watt second. If you took 100 seconds to delivera joulethen you would need a light output of 0.01 joules/second. KirkJoe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy crap I don't think they are using diodes to get that intensity. 4 joules/cm^2 Isn't that like 40 suns intensity? How do

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews

2006-06-06 Thread Fritz Friesinger
Hakan, these very insulation standards making Vapourbarriers an Windbarriers a must and Thats what is no good! Than your special ventilation Windows,if you want to say Tilt and Turn windows,i agree,thats what i am making! I dont agree with 3Layers of glass sinze you cut down on Sunligth too

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, You wrote: I'm still anxiously awaiting updates on the zeolite investigation. The zeolite from containers 3 4 are drying even as we speak. This was not as simple as I had hoped. I distilled 4 gal of methanol (containers 1 2) and shut off the still. Friends family kept

Re: [Biofuel] worst oil ever

2006-06-06 Thread Thomas Kelly
Joe, You wrote: I am thinking that the next logical direction is to get rid of the 'M' I mean go to ethanol. There are other ideas I want to pursue with the waste streams and I am interested in methane production as well ... I was hoping that using zeolite in methanol recovery would be

Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews

2006-06-06 Thread Hakan Falk
Fritz, In Sweden we have a frame with a normal window that you can open. Beside we will have ventilation window 200-250 mm wide with insulation and a wooden plate and insect protection in the space. This will supply the fresh air and the ventilation sucks out the old trough a heat pump that

[Biofuel] Healing with Light - some pdfs and articles

2006-06-06 Thread Kirk McLoren
NASA healing light references:http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/1031002355.html Healing with Light Moves Beyond Fiction http://doctor.mcw.edu/provider.php?1623 Harry T. Whelan, MD Bleser Professor of Neurology and Pediatrics http://healthlink.mcw.edu/article/975450257.html Light

Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit

2006-06-06 Thread Steve Knox
Mike, I share your view of the Union Leader, but they do have a readership. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit My least favorite

[Biofuel] super cheap batteries

2006-06-06 Thread Jason Katie
anybody need small 12V batteries? where i work, we install fire alarms, and there is a 24 hour failsafe requirement, but our company changes out the batteries every 3 years regardless of condition and we have a pretty big stack of batteries just laying around. normally they are hauled off to be

Re: [Biofuel] Kicking the oil habit

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Unfortunately. I am not a Loeb fan! Steve Knox wrote: Mike, I share your view of the Union Leader, but they do have a readership. Steve Knox - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 7:15 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [Biofuel] super cheap batteries

2006-06-06 Thread Darryl McMahon
Whereabouts are you? We have a group anxious to electrify bicycles, and the 7.5 Ah batteries are popular for that. I'm looking for 15 Ah and up for UPS applications. So, if you're in the northeast U.S. it might we worth a trip for a *lot* of batteries. Darryl McMahon Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Re: [Biofuel] super cheap batteries

2006-06-06 Thread Jason Katie
keep in mind i will be testing them. not all are viable due to use (or lack of). - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] super cheap batteries Whereabouts are you? We have

Re: [Biofuel] super cheap batteries

2006-06-06 Thread Johnathan Corgan
Jason Katie wrote: anybody need small 12V batteries? where i work, we install fire alarms, and there is a 24 hour failsafe requirement, but our company changes out the batteries every 3 years regardless of condition and we have a pretty big stack of batteries just laying around. normally

Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol boom or bust?

2006-06-06 Thread Tom Irwin
Hi Darryl and all, We´ve seen a sharp jump in the price of sugar here in Uruguay. It had been about 13 Uruguayan pesos (about .50 U.S. dollars). Now its about 23 pesos. Tom Irwin From: Darryl McMahon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 08:21:25

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
That's it. I went to some meetings with them. I thought their people were nop notch. -Weaver Hakan Falk wrote: Mike, The name is SIDA and it is the government group for foreign aid. Many years ago (around 30), before I moved out of Sweden, I participated in some work. Hakan At 19:20

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Mike Weaver
Yeah, pretty interesting for a Christian Nation to be so chintzy. This is not to say I agree with how our current aid is doled out, mostly I don't. But in my career I did see some wonderful projects that changed lives - it can work. Another interesting thing is that when I was in the field I

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Mike, Hakan and all It can be done well and how to do it isn't a mystery, as at SIDA and a few others and as Mike describes it in his second stint. The church aid groups work the same way (not tied to spreading religion), so do many of the other groups. But bi-lateral government aid is

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread bob allen
my last post was on the subject of mitocondrial energy being driven to a significant degree by photons, not on the efficacy of the light therapy. Kirk McLoren wrote: just isnt so sort of flies in the face of 95% of the mice recovering their sight dont you think? Methanol poisoning is fairly

Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning

2006-06-06 Thread Sarath G
For those interested in some data on biomass (forest and savanna burning).. here is a paper.. http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2000/1999JD901113.shtml I believe a lot more is available on the web.. Sarath On 6/4/06, robert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kirk McLoren wrote:Evenalong

Re: [Biofuel] Healing with light

2006-06-06 Thread bob allen
and while I'm at it how about those three blind mice? Can you direct me to a reference? I have looked at the references provided and googled about and still can find nothing. I would be very interested in the protocol. bob allen wrote: my last post was on the subject of mitocondrial

Re: [Biofuel] Why foreign aid is failing

2006-06-06 Thread Keith Addison
Yeah, pretty interesting for a Christian Nation to be so chintzy. This is not to say I agree with how our current aid is doled out, mostly I don't. But in my career I did see some wonderful projects that changed lives - it can work. Another interesting thing is that when I was in the field I

[Biofuel] BSE/NAIS??

2006-06-06 Thread Marylynn Schmidt
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Re: [Biofuel] seasonal burning

2006-06-06 Thread Doug Younker
Kirk, The reason I bothered to post was to detail why I believe seasonal burning, while it may have apparent benefits, is not natural, as practiced by man. I would think the last sentence of mine; Personally I think man has interfered enough, long enough, we can't fully understand the