I recently saw an electric generator powered by a solar heated stirling
engine.
I have no idea what it cost.
http://www.stirling-motor.com/S400.shtml
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Pot-in-pot evaporative cooling
Northern Nigeria is an impoverished region where people in rural
communities eke out a living from subsistence farming. With no
electricity, and therefore no refrigeration, perishable foods spoil
within days. Such spoilage causes
The Navaho made ice but the holes they opened to the night sky were entered by
ladder. They were deep as I remember, more than 20 feet. I believe this solved
the air warmth problem.
Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Joe and All ;
Yes this is exactly right. Thank you.
I did some
Hi All, Check out ice caves on the web. There are many in the US and probably
around the world. They are natural north facing holes with the
correct angle and moisture conditions to have ice in them all year around. By
adding a little intelligence to the design and proper doors that
Hi Joe and All ;
Yes this is exactly right. Thank you.
I did some searching. There are some web pages on
this which I found. The problem with getting
significant cooling using a normal solar panel is that
normally a solar panel is designed to absorb the
energy of the solar spectrum (lots of
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings Ken,
Please read the following before continuing this thread. Our
refrigeration
has removed fermented food that are very good for us from most modern
diets. The people that eat these fermented foods do not need
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: Greetings,
: Actually I have put a bottle of water in my solar funnel cooker and left
it
: out at night when the temperature was in the 50F and had ice form
Hi Kim and Garth ;
The idea is a good one, I really would like to help,
and I don't want to appear to be negative, but this is
a tall order. Let's see : a cooling system that is
able to cool a root cellar to 40 degrees F, cheap, can
be home built, easy to operate, uses no power, uses
no
] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
: Greetings Doug,
: I am searching for older methods, which include a trip to Galveston and
its
: museums next week. I want a system that can be home built, be cheap
enough
: to share with my financially handicapped neighbors and that is friendly
is still
would be required.
Doug
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Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:47 AM
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solar.
:
: If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar
I am searching for older methods, which include a trip to Galveston and its
museums next week. I want a system that can be home built, be cheap enough
to share with my financially handicapped neighbors and that is friendly to
Mother Earth. Yes, there are many ready made solar
: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Pardon my intrusion, but has anyone mentioned earthship construction?
This,
as you must know, is the burying and filling of recycled tires as the
structural medium, which is then stucco'd within, and capped with cement?
Works great
please share with us name and address of that ac group.Tks.
Regards, F.
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:59 AM
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Greetings
I do now, since I am finally approved for membership. The archives are
open to the public and the early messages were an archive of information
that was on a bunch of different lists, so very
interesting. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solar-ac/
Bright Blessings,
Kim
Hi Kim
Do you know
Please read the following before continuing this thread. Our refrigeration
has removed fermented food that are very good for us from most modern
diets. The people that eat these fermented foods do not need our modern
medicine, so which system is saving the lives?
FERMENTED FRUITS AND
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Pardon my intrusion, but has anyone mentioned earthship construction? This, as
you must know, is the burying and filling of recycled tires as the structural
medium, which is then stucco'd within, and capped with cement? Works
The home page link is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solar-ac/
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings,
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated
to solar ac
and refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac and
has about
2000 messages in its archives. I
DH means Dear Husband or Darling Husband and is quite a common usage of
DH. You will also see DD for Darling Daughter or DS for Dear Son.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 01:14 PM 9/16/2004, you wrote:
Hallo Kim,
Wednesday, 15 September, 2004, 08:28:57, you wrote:
KGT My DH will be on vacation
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings,
I have just discovered that there is a group
dedicated to solar ac
and refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac
and has about
2000 messages in its archives. I have only read
the first 25, but
it is definitely a hands on
Dear Hubby, Dear Heart, or designated hitter ...
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To: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 2:14 PM
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Hallo Kim
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solar.
:
:
:
:
: Greetings to all.
:
: A new member here.
:
: If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar panels can be
used in reverse to radiate heat all night long. Circulate anti freeze from
them
: to your block of ice
Actually, ice will from even if the ambient air temp is above freezing.
How much above depends on humidity and other sources nearby of radiant
heat transfer. RADIANT heat transfer, which is a different process than
conductive or convective heat transfer.
The ice forms because of radiant heat
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a cool room storage in a hot climate - solar.
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If you want energy free threre's sun drying and brine,
but I don't think I'd like a diet of jerky, salt port,
pickles, saurkraut and pemican. Some technology and
energy use is good. Refrigeration has prevented
thousands of deaths by food borne pathogens.
Ken
--- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL
discovery here, that's the only reason I open posts to this subject.
Doug, N0LKK
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True, marble only feels cooler because it conducts
heat away from your body faster than other materials.
Ken
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Hi Capra,
Your suggestions about finding the free stone is a
good one, I'll have to remember that. However, the
statement that marble is
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: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 02:02:19 -0500
:
: Hi,
:
: I just recalled an article that was in a Rodale Press monthly
: publication that was a passive refrigerator, ice box to be accurate,
: project. As I
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated to solar ac and
refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac and has about 2000 messages
in its archives. I have only read the first 25, but it is definitely a
hands on orientation. Just thought I would share.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
I have just discovered that there is a group dedicated to solar ac
and refrigeration on yahell. It is called solar ac and has about
2000 messages in its archives. I have only read the first 25, but
it is definitely a hands on orientation. Just thought I would share.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
swell in Texas flatlands.
Jesse
From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:22:54 -0500
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Greetings Todd,
Actually paper adobe stands up real well
Hallo Kim,
Wednesday, 15 September, 2004, 08:28:57, you wrote:
KGT My DH will be on vacation next week,
...snip...
I have seen the initials DH used on this and other lists. Around
here calling someone a DH is not meant to be either flattering or
endearing so I am guessing that it
or the aggies archives, dept of agriculture, they usually have many way s to
conserveee foods,
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hi doug, was it passive solarr enerby by edward mazria,, mf-23-544, i found
lotss or freferrences to this one,, buck
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Date: Tue, 14 Sep
Swearingen
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:39 AM
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Greetings Doug,
Actually, unless you are rich and can afford a large construction
room storage in a hot climate
Greetings,
To everyone who participated on this thread, many thanks are in order. I
will now go back to lurking while I do my homework on these different
ideas.
What has my mind going in high gear is wondering if an icy ball will work
with a solar funnel cooker
AM
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solar.
:
:
:
:
: Greetings to all.
:
: A new member here.
:
: If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar panels can be
used in reverse to radiate heat all night long. Circulate anti freeze from
them
: to your
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
: Hi Doug, Kim and all
: (Ahem...)
:
: http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#handyfarm
: Small Farms Library - Journey to Forever
:
: Handy Farm Devices and How to Make Them by Rolfe Cobleigh, Orange
: Judd Company, 1910
Hi,
I just recalled an article that was in a Rodale Press monthly
publication that was a passive refrigerator, ice box to be accurate,
project. As I recall it had a refrigerant loop with the condenser outside
the building under the shaded eaves of theroof and the evaporator an
insulated box
Kim Garth Travis wrote:
Greetings,
snip
What has my mind going in high gear is wondering if an icy ball will work
with a solar funnel cooker for a heat source. This looks at first glance
snip
Hi again,
The concentrator would be a good idea. This should raise efficiency
of the cooling
insullation and radiant barriers.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings Doug,
Actually, unless you
a solid salt,
this can't happen.
By the way, do you raise rabbits?
Greg H.
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 13:54
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings
Greetings to all.
A new member here.
If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar panels can be used in
reverse to radiate heat all night long. Circulate anti freeze from them
to your block of ice during the night and use the ice in the usual way. Not
shure how much heat you
cooler ), digging in a container of some sort
and burying it would most likely work.
Greg H.
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Actually, unless you are rich and can afford a large construction crew,
your bales are going to get wet during construction, so knowing how they
will react is important. A water proof covering that does not breath will
rot bales faster than leaving them outside due to condensation. There
To everyone who participated on this thread, many thanks are in order. I
will now go back to lurking while I do my homework on these different ideas.
What has my mind going in high gear is wondering if an icy ball will work
with a solar funnel cooker for a heat source. This looks at first
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Ice Houses, canning, things like that, but, down were you live, it wasn't
until the 1800's that they had a reliable way of preserving fresh food - it
was an ammonia based refrigerator.
I have
Hi All,
You might want to get a copy of Five Acres and Independence by M. G.
Kains. It was written in the 1940's and is sort of considered the
bible of small scale farming. My copy is packed away, but if I
remember correctly (and I may not) it has info on building a root
cellar and a ice
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www.homepower.com/files/solarice.pdf
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I do understand straw bale very well, did a course on it years ago now in
Arizona with the Out on a bale, by mail people. Unfortunately, straw
bale is not a good building material for my area. I would have to truck
bales in from well over a 100 miles away. My humidity is over 80% most of
Hi folks,
i was browsing a little bit about absorption cooling.
Found this cool document about cooling :)
http://www.eduvinet.de/servitec/henninge.pdf
Not too practical for direct application, but very good for the
educational/theoretical purposes :)
Appal Energy wrote:
It's not glass, but
Swearingen
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Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 6:07 PM
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At 12:08 AM 9/11/2004, you wrote:
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Hello Kim,
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings,
[Please note I never say 'hello']
First I would like to thank
I'm really enjoying this discussion on walkin cooler designs. I'm
particularly intrigued by the solar cooler idea. I live in an area with
poor solar gain, but the climate is temperate, so cooling needs are less
drastic. I am needing to build a walk in cooler for my farm. I need the
ability to
But straw bale building relies on the straw being encased in a
water/vermin-proof wrap. Leaving a bale outside I think, is not a valid test.
regards Doug
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 10:30 pm, Kim Garth Travis wrote:
Greetings Heidi,
I do understand straw bale very well, did a course on it years
, September 10, 2004 6:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that does
not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all
I
need to find out is how.
Bright
I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that
does not require energy. They had to store food here before
electricity, all I need to find out is how.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 09:41 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote:
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators?
Hi Kim,
In
find info like that?
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators
It's not glass, but it's gas absorption
See http://www.ggw.org/~cac/IcyBall/crosley_icyball.html
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Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:57 AM
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: Friday, September 10, 2004 05:10
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I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that does
not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all I
need to find out is how.
Bright Blessings
, unless
you employ other modern technology. GL
Doug, N0LKK
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:10 AM
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: I have
Hi Kim and Garth and All ;;
They had to store food here
before electricity, all I
need to find out is how.
I think there were many ways of storing food before
electricity, but only one involved the cold
temperatures that you indicated : Ice storage. In
other words, make lots of ice when
[snip]
...
...
[snip]
3) What is the weather like around your house ( hot mild dry damp
ect...)?
Hot and humid, I am 125 miles north of the Gulf of Mexico in Texas.
Summer
highs can hit 117F, lots of rain, heavy down pours are common such as 18
inches in 24 hours.
Double ouch!
I
in Blocks
Temporary Smoking Device
And much besides.
HTH.
Keith
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:10 AM
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: I have, but if possible I would
You might want to get a copy of Five Acres and Independence by M. G.
Kains. It was written in the 1940's and is sort of considered the
bible of small scale farming. My copy is packed away, but if I
remember correctly (and I may not) it has info on building a root
cellar and a ice house
At 06:03 AM 9/10/2004, you wrote:
Hallo Kim,
I remember you live in Texas but I don't remember if you ever said
where. The valley, hill country, east Texas? My father was from
Harlingen and I lived in west Texas in San Angelo for a time.
I am about 25 miles west of Huntsville,
]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
This might sound crazy but I remember an episode of Ripley's Believe it
or
Not, (or some show like that) where they featured a solar refrigerator
using some sort of glass ball set up
room storage in a hot climate
I have, but if possible I would like to build a natural system that does
not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all
I
need to find out is how.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 09:41 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote:
Have you considered gas fired
in any
substantial amounts. The foxfire series is a worthy addition to one's home
library.
Doug
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Hiya Kim,
(a variant of hello?)
You might want to check into strawbaling the walls of any edifice you choose to
build for your chill-room. As your water table is so high, I'm assuming you're
not going subterranean, which would be a no-no with straw. BUT, if you're
going to build above
Hi Kim, Garth, and All ;
Root cellaring sounds so wonderful, but I have yet
to figure out how to do
it in a hot humid climate. Any suggestions?
(I didn't say hello). Cooling in general terms is
energy intensive. This is a result of the Laws of
Thermodynamics. Heat likes to travel from
]
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 07:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They are a bit pricey, but
work great, the technology is well developed and, if the refrigerants are
handled properly
Hallo Kim,
(Please note I never say 'hello' either :o)
Thursday, 09 September, 2004, 07:01:09, you wrote:
KGT Greetings,
KGT [Please note I never say 'hello']
KGT First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for
KGT biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the
not require energy. They had to store food here before electricity, all I
need to find out is how.
Bright Blessings,
Kim
At 09:41 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote:
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They are a bit pricey, but
work great, the technology is well developed and, if the
We have a propane fridge. If you don't mind defrosting it every once in a
while, they are nice to have when there is no grid. They tend to be small,
expensive, and lack features the new electric fridges have (think battery (D
Cell) fridge light). We will be putting in a new energy star
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From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:41
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
At 09:50 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote:
Hey Kim,
Greetings Greg,
A few of questions.
1
Hi Capra,
Your suggestions about finding the free stone is a good one, I'll have to
remember that. However, the statement that marble is 15 degrees cooler than
the surroundings is false. Just measure the temps of various items in your
bathroom (at the same height since warm air rises) and
, September 09, 2004 3:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings,
[Please note I never say 'hello']
First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for
biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information
[Please note I never say 'hello']
First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for
biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how
this list is set up, I would love to move my lists to elsewhere, too.
I have been doing a great deal of research
Have you considered gas fired refrigerators? They are a bit pricey, but
work great, the technology is well developed and, if the refrigerants are
handled properly, environmentally sound. A search on 'Servel', 'RV
Refrigerator' or 'absorption refrigeration' may be useful.
Kim Garth Travis said:
: Thursday, September 09, 2004 05:01
Subject: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Greetings,
[Please note I never say 'hello']
First I would like to thank the committee for finding a new home for
biofuels. If someone would be kind enough to share the information on how
for those big ones
prepared for veg oil or BioD instead and.
Regards.
Juan
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Enviado el: Jueves 9 de Septiembre de 2004 8:01 AM
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Asunto: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
Hey Kim,
Greetings Greg,
A few of questions.
1) Why don't you say hello?
I always open my epistles with: 'Greetings', partly because there are so
many people named Kim out there and partly because I like it better. Some
virus sent out a bunch of emails in my name, which is why I
Kim,
Aerated concrete (like Hebel blocks) can be used to make a coolroom. There
is also a way you can use alcohol Zeolite to create a cooling system. Have
a Google around and you should find some info.
regards Doug
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:01 pm, Kim Garth Travis wrote:
Greetings,
[Please
be working less of the time.
Capra
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:01 AM
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Greetings,
[Please note I never say 'hello']
First I
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