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I have been told that its best to use ASME certified biodiesel for the
newer
cars because of the centrifuge used in processing to eliminate something,
and that using homebrew made from WVO
you will be meeting asme
standards
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fuel
I have been told that its best to use ASME
certified biodiesel
they switched over to. If it is an any other year TDI make good fuel
(quality test ect.) and use it.
Luc
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Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 12:48 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Newbie Question: TDI and homemade fuel
I
Hi Mohamed
It was discussed recently. This was the final message in the thread,
the others are in the table:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/37220/1/
Extending storage life of biodiesel
dear group memes i have a question about the effect of
time on Bio diesel
i was wandering what will
How pure does it have to be to use it in biodiesel production?
(i mean other particles, contaminents , NOT water ofcourse..)
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There is a company in northwest Iowa that announced today that they
are going to start pricing their E85 at 25c less than regular gas.
I thought that was a step in the right direction. Of course, if
they can do it, why isn't everybody?
Brian
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Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Newbie Question
Hi Folks:
I have been trying my hand at making biodiesel using Josh Tickells
recipe. Then I found JtF and you guys, and learned there was much
more to the story!
I hope my poor 1982 VW Rabbit will forgive me
Hi Folks:
I have been trying my hand at making biodiesel using Josh Tickells
recipe. Then I found JtF and you guys, and learned there was much
more to the story!
I hope my poor 1982 VW Rabbit will forgive me for what I have poured
in it's tank.
My qustions are these, if anyone would be so
DUDE IT'S THE VACCUME PUMP. DO YOUR DOORS LOCK?---
Steven Pfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an '83 Benz 300D. Five cylinder IDI. IT
WON'T SHUT OFF!!! Help me please, I have been
reading the wiring diagram in my Haynes manual but I
can't find whatever it is that shut off the fuel
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:39 pm, Jerome Mathevet wrote:
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So, does that apply to Tourists also??? (says he that is going to
France, will be driving a Peugeot 307 diesel)
Could you be
the government,
due to the ethanol part.
Greg H.
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From: Kim Garth Travis
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 16:06
Subject: [biofuel] Theoretical Question
I am wondering if it is possible to make biodiesel completely on the
farm
off the water. The only issue I see would be the need to involve
the government, due to the ethanol part.
Greg H.
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From: Kim Garth Travis
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 16:06
Subject: [biofuel] Theoretical Question
I am
the government, due to the ethanol part.
Greg H.
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From: Kim Garth Travis
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 16:06
Subject: [biofuel] Theoretical Question
I am wondering if it is possible to make biodiesel completely on the
farm
, June 20, 2004 09:46
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Theoretical Question
So you let the water soak through the ashes, then put the tea in a shallow
pan and let the water evaporate. Maybe do the final dry in the oven. How
would you know how strong the lye is? I am looking at worst case scenario
, due to the ethanol part.
Greg H.
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From: Kim Garth Travis
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 16:06
Subject: [biofuel] Theoretical Question
I am wondering if it is possible to make biodiesel completely on the
farm. It is relatively
Hello, my name is yara and im a starter as far as biofuels and more ecological
fluel resources, im glad i found this mailing list!
So, 3 months ago i bought a van in germany, thinking how wonderful it would be
to travel around without the hassels of train strikes (happened a few times),
late
oh by the way, i forgot to mention that in most of the places i saw biodiesel,
it was really a lot cheaper than regular diesel. That's (i think) the reason
they told me it was tax free, for tractors only (red), and illegal for regular
cars.
yara
=
NO HOMEM E NO ANIMAL O SOFRIMENTO
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yarinha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oh by the way, i forgot to mention that in most of the places i saw
biodiesel, it was really a lot cheaper than regular diesel. That's
(i think) the reason they told me it was tax free, for tractors only
(red), and
On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 05:39 pm, Jerome Mathevet wrote:
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So, does that apply to Tourists also??? (says he that is going to France,
will be driving a Peugeot 307 diesel)
regards Doug
yarinha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
oh by the way, i forgot to
I'd be definitely looking for a vacum leak (or input). Some of 'em things use
vacum selenoids to shut off fuel to the injection pump. Hope this helps. cory
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I have an '83 Benz 300D. Five cylinder IDI. IT WON'T SHUT OFF!!! Help me
please, I have been reading the wiring diagram in my Haynes manual but I can't
find whatever it is that shut off the fuel supply. I figure I have a solinoid
or relay that's stuck in the on position but I can't find
Steve,
My 85 300 td shutoff is controlled by the vacuum system, I'd bet yours
is too. There is a red metal flap labeled stopI believe near the head
on the fuel pump side just push it.. Good luck.
-Arthur
Steven Pfaff wrote:
I have an '83 Benz 300D. Five cylinder IDI. IT WON'T SHUT OFF!!!
Hi Steve,
I own an Isuzu NPR diesel truck and I believe the same thing happened to me.
I would turn the key and pull the key out and the engine would run for
approx. 30 seconds until it ran out of fuel in the lines...it was real tough
trying to start it up again as the fuel took a while to prime!
Steven,
You have a vacuum leak that needs quick attention.
The 123 MB 5 cylinder turbo-diesels have a shut off lever next to and centered
with the valve cover/head of the engine. Push it if it's still running.
The shutoff for this car is vacuum operated. There are two tiny vacuum lines
hello all,
I have noticed there are many articles and web sites / discussion
groups such as this one that promotes the use of biofuels. I for one
am very interested in biodiesel and would consider constructing a
biodiesel plant for home use. The only problem that I've encountered
is that
Try this http://www.veggieavenger.com/media
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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 3:29 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] newbie question, are there any biodiesel manufacturing
plant plans available
hello all,
I have
,
Pieter Koole
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] A question about lignine
Thanks Ken,
I hope I don't insult anybody, but as far as I remember I found the way
of electronic communications as a result
of any virus being passed on.
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] A question about lignine
Thanks Ken,
I hope I don't insult anybody
: Saturday, February 28, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] A question about lignine
Hello All.
The lignin by product of the acid hydrolysis is not a poison. We produce
ethanol from wood residue using the Gaian process of concentrated
sulphuric
acid hydrolysis. The Lignin is the carbon
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi all,
I am making ethanol on a very very small scale ( experimenting a bit ) from
newspapers etc.
What is the best thing to do with the black stuff ( lignine isn't it ? ). Is
it poison ? Can I use it somehow ?
Is there a way to re-use the sulphuric acid (98%) I used in the
on 2/27/04 10:48 AM, Pieter Koole at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I am making ethanol on a very very small
scale ( experimenting a bit ) from
newspapers etc.
What is the best thing to do with the
black stuff ( lignine isn't it ? ). Is
it poison ? Can I use it somehow?
In general,
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To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] A question about lignine
on 2/27/04 10:48 AM, Pieter Koole at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I am making ethanol on a very very small
scale ( experimenting a bit ) from
newspapers etc.
What
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Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] A question about lignine
on 2/27/04 10:48 AM, Pieter Koole at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I am making ethanol on a very very small
scale ( experimenting a bit ) from
newspapers etc
: [biofuel] A question about lignine
Thanks Ken,
I hope I don't insult anybody, but as far as I remember I found the way to
make ethanol out of sawdust on journeytoforever.
If the process produces poison material, why would it be on this site ?
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
The information
x-charset ISO-8859-1Hi Aleks,
Studiing the Fool Proof method - which was to be expected after our last
mails - I read that mixing alcohol and H2SO4 is a way to dry alcohol.
How dry can I get home made ethanol this way ?
How should I do it ?
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole
The information
Thank you for the responses to our question about hydrogenation, very
helpful.
And the ensuing discussion about pressing of manure-eating bugs, eye-
opening. Learn something new every day, especially on this list!
Blue Skies,
-Robin-
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I have access to a circulating pump which uses a neoprene impeller (to
be used in a processor I am building) Is it resistant to methyl esters
at 60 degrees Celsius?
Try this Bob:
http://www.coleparmer.com/techinfo/ChemComp.asp
Cole-Parmer: Chemical Resistance Database
No methyl esters, sadly,
I have access to a circulating pump which uses a neoprene impeller (to
be used in a processor I am building) Is it resistant to methyl esters
at 60 degrees Celsius?
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Keith,
The article posted by MM, does describe how it should
be done,
Germany Leads the World in Alternative Energy
By JANET L. SAWIN New Internationalist (08-19-03)
http://www.berkeleydaily.org/article.cfm?issue=08-19-03storyID=17203
Germany have more grundligkeit and political realism.
Keith,
I hope that you did not misunderstood what I said about
the need of energy planning. In my mind it is nothing more
effective than a wide spread movement on implementation
of small scale production units. Decentralized decision
making, implementation and production is the fastest way
to
Keith,
The article posted by MM, does describe how it should
be done,
Germany Leads the World in Alternative Energy
By JANET L. SAWIN New Internationalist (08-19-03)
http://www.berkeleydaily.org/article.cfm?issue=08-19-03storyID=17203
Germany have more grundligkeit and political realism.
Hi Hakan and all
I think I have to stress the essential emphasis on scale and level -
**small** scale, **local** level - both of which are emphasized in
the three messages I linked earlier in this thread, and in my
response to Brent:
Keith,
I hope that you did not misunderstood what I said about
the need of energy planning. In my mind it is nothing more
effective than a wide spread movement on implementation
of small scale production units. Decentralized decision
making, implementation and production is the fastest way
to
Keith,
The article posted by MM, does describe how it should
be done,
Germany Leads the World in Alternative Energy
By JANET L. SAWIN New Internationalist (08-19-03)
http://www.berkeleydaily.org/article.cfm?issue=08-19-03storyID=17203
Germany have more grundligkeit and political realism.
Hello Brent
I think you prove my point.
I am talking about WVO from restaurants, not potential oil from other sourses.
You said There isn't enough WVO to address the vehicle diesel replacement.
I know there are a multitude of untapped resourses for oil, but they
all cost money.
I think not.
What kind of electrodes do you use to split the water in H2 en O2 ?
I ask this, because in my experiments the electrodes corrode and dissapear
after a while.
What do you put in the water to increase the conductivity ?
Do you also use the O2 to make the H2 better burn ?
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Pieter Koole wrote:
What kind of electrodes do you use to split the water in H2 en O2 ?
Most people will use stainless steel. Platinized platinum will avoid over
voltage, but is considerably more expensive. In the past, I have used nickel
screen because it's cheaper and works well.
An interesting sumation of what some of the soy BD producers are doing
with their FFA co-product. Who woulda guessed .. Better living
through Bovine FFA recycling.
James Slayden
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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 11:29:12 -0500
From: Ron Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Humanure is great for fertilizer, I have been using it for almost 2
years. The key to using carnivorous manure is thermolitic composting
techniques. I am sure Keith can give a better answer, and he has lots of
information on journeytoforever.org about this kind of composting.
Bright
Hello Kim, Caroline and beloved biofuel group members
It is possible to collect the gas from septic tanks, from garbage , from
lagoons where septic tanks effluents are disposed.Thus we can make our planet
clean , not leading the methane gas heating of the world and getting
Helo caroline
Eventhough the methane bacteria works well to produce biogas, the
huge amount of water as well as the the need to mix and dispose of the
effluents , and the need to feed and dispose of quality effluent make the
project much complex and the project
I also like to know about the septic tank and if we would get
biogas. Fertilizer is an other thing and I was always told by
farmers that human excrements did not produce good fertilizer,
because it was produced by meat eaters, it had to be mixed
with cow dung or similar. The best fertilizer
In doing some research for my 4-H solar class, I came across a simple
biogas experiment.
http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_biomassbuild-1.shtml
If biogas production basically involves just mixing poop and water, and
letting it sit for a while, why is there not some attachment or something
made to
I'm curious to hear how biodiesel homebrewers dispose of the glycerin
and other byproducts.
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I'm curious to hear how biodiesel homebrewers dispose of the glycerin
and other byproducts.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html
Glycerine
General
Separating glycerine
Purifying glycerine
Paintbrush cleaner
Soap
Glop soap
High-explosives
Heart disease drug
Love potion
Safe
I'm not offended at all Detrick - my response was simple no idea -
because I really don't pretend to know the latest regulations for
on-road and off-road, in may countries that we export to, and because
it is all changing rapidly.
Perhaps this helps: emissions testing was done as part of
Edward,
I'd love to forward this thesis to the EPA, with your permission. I
believe it may provide us another step towards EPA acceptance. I did
notice, however, that 'Appendix B' and 'Appendix C' seemed to have no
content beyond their headings. If you are okay with me forwarding this
on
Hello Detrick
You'll find a linked pull-together of the available research here,
quite extensive, if not exhaustive:
References
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html#refs
I don't know of a more complete list, though there may be one. You're
welcome to steer these resources at Jim
more comments inline...
Keith Addison wrote:
nope... I'm talking about SVO/WVO, not biodiesel. Everything I've seen
and heard from talking with Jim Caldwell of the EPA, states that the use
of SVO and/or WVO in an on-road diesel is against current regulations.
Jim Caldwell, yes, I know of
Hi Detrick
Hm - very interesting! Seems you've uncovered something. Please
pardon my earlier doubts.
Now why don't the SVO missionaries and sellers of kits know about
this? - as it seems they don't - and done something about it? As it
seems they haven't. Is it up to Jim Caldwell/the EPA to
this may offend/irritate some of the kit resellers, espicially the ones
that visit this list... regardless, that is not my intention, I only
wish to find resolution to my initial questions.
see inline, as has become usual :)
Keith Addison wrote:
Hi Detrick
hello, again!
Hm - very
Thanks for the input Keith!! It's been nice finding a more living
resource that responds positively :) I've put some more
comments/ideas/questions inline below...
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Detrick
Aren't you confusing SVO/WVO with biodiesel? With biodiesel, the
situation with the EPA
Hello again Detrick
Thanks for the input Keith!!
You're welcome. :-)
It's been nice finding a more living
resource that responds positively :) I've put some more
comments/ideas/questions inline below...
Keith Addison wrote:
Hello Detrick
Aren't you confusing SVO/WVO with biodiesel?
Do anyone know how many Kg there are in a liter of BioD?
Craig
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I'd probably think something like 0.80 to 0.90kg
per L depending upon in the inpit crude oil /
fat.
Mark
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I've searched the archive trying to find information on this, and
haven't found any yet (although I must say, this list has a HUGE
archive!).
Does anyone know about any legal hitches with using SVO/WVO in the
U.S.? I seem to be able to find companies selling kits to allow
SVO/WVO to be used in
Do anyone know how many Kg there are in a liter of BioD?
Craig
Hi Craig
You'll find info on that and much else here - not a very well-named
page, but it started that way and then grew:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html
Vegetable oil yields, characteristics
Vegetable oil
Detrick,
It has been discussed and as far as I understood it,
it is legal to produce and use up to a specified amount
during the year. I do not remember the amount, but it
was enough for extensive driving of a large SUV, or
driving two smaller family cars. Something around
1,500 gallon a year.
Does anyone have the evidence to support this? In speaking with an
engineer at the EPA (one I've seen quoted in several news articles
describing crack downs on this type of operation), the EPA won't give
approval for it until extensive testing has been completed. I'd feel
more comfortable
Hello Detrick
Aren't you confusing SVO/WVO with biodiesel? With biodiesel, the
situation with the EPA etc is summed up here:
http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?view=24742list=BIOFUEL
Please, everybody, this needs a test case - has there been a test
case? Does anybody know, or have anything
http://www.talion.com/Qs.html
Kirk
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thanks keith, I'll look at Mikes page - j2forever is a remarkably useful
sight... especially the library...
The catalyst, hm. People would say the lye, and indeed the lye is
recoverable as a true catalyst should be. But it doesn't only act as
the transesterification catalyst, it also serves to
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
--
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Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures
caia.swin.edu.au
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And some run up hill and down
paul van den bergen wrote:
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
Paul,
There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which
is added is partially used up in the
On Thu, 1 May 2003 03:46 pm, martin wrote:
paul van den bergen wrote:
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
Paul,
There isn't a true catalyst in the reaction. The sodium methoxide which
is
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Technical question - catalysts
paul van den bergen wrote:
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
Paul,
There isn't a true
Paul writes:
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer
on the transesterification mechanism and in
particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
See
http://jbcs.sbq.org.br/jbcs/1998/vol9_n3/30.pdf
for a pretty complete description of both acid- and
base-catalyzed mechanisms. -K
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
--
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Centre for Advanced Internet Architectures
caia.swin.edu.au
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And some run up hill and down dale,
On Thu, 1 May 2003, paul van den bergen wrote:
Can some one direct me to a definitive answer on the transesterification
mechanism and in particular the role and nature of the catalyst?
Hello,
Here is a good pdf file I found some time ago that covers the base- and
acid- catalyzed hydrolysis
The recipe seems clear on titrating: 10 ml isopropyl alcohol to 1 ml
WVO. 1 ml is a VERY small amount. Is it the ratio that is important
or is it important to use only those exact amounts? (i.e. if I double
the amount but keep the ratio the same and then half the amount added
to the batch
The recipe seems clear on titrating: 10 ml isopropyl alcohol to 1 ml
WVO. 1 ml is a VERY small amount. Is it the ratio that is important
or is it important to use only those exact amounts? (i.e. if I double
the amount but keep the ratio the same and then half the amount added
to the batch of
On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 09:27 AM, intern99772003 wrote:
The recipe seems clear on titrating: 10 ml isopropyl alcohol to 1 ml
WVO. 1 ml is a VERY small amount. Is it the ratio that is important
or is it important to use only those exact amounts? (i.e. if I double
the amount but
This maybe be a newbie sort of question, but is there a site, or FAQ, that
dicusses how to convert older diesel car (late 70's Mbz) so it can run
biodiesel?
Paul
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Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
This maybe be a newbie sort of question, but is there a site, or
FAQ, that dicusses how to convert older diesel car (late 70's Mbz)
so it can run biodiesel?
Paul
Hi Paul, and welcome
Just change the rubber/plastic fuel system components. You need Viton
parts (or Nitrile or neoprene).
Do a
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Domenick V. Amato wrote:
That's probably one of the most lame answers I have heard in a very long
time. I can assure you that the person who was in the SUV does
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Greg,
Absolutely and I envy you.
Being in the signal corps the limit for me was bandwagon truck (wheel in
front) and other larger/smaller vehicles with wheels. I started
field that you can take one out and play.
Harley
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From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 2:12 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Greg,
Absolutely and I
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Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 17:52
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
OK, I'll bite: What the heck is a 62 ton M-1 Abrems?
Perry
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel
, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
Domenick V. Amato wrote:
That's probably one of the most lame answers I have heard in a very long
time. I can assure you that the person who was in the SUV does not
agree.
Railroad trains can kill SUVs
place
is 1 hour North of Chicago next to the West side of Interstate 94.
Harley
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From: Mark Foltarz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:19 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
and they make almost no sound, compaired to the m60. greg m
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
A tank
: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:19 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
I believe an SUV is defined by the frame on which it is built. This is
essentially a truck frame. Being
Domenick V. Amato wrote:
That's probably one of the most lame answers I have heard in a very long
time. I can assure you that the person who was in the SUV does not agree.
Railroad trains can kill SUVs and Yugos can kill pedestrians. Should we
ban railroad trains and Yugos or SUVs and
- Original Message -
From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 01:21
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
I'm sure that being able to drive a 62 ton M-1 Abrems, qualifies me to drive
a 1 1/2 ton SUV
loved to try or
learn to drive a tank -:).
Hakan
At 10:42 AM 2/27/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 01:21
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
I'm
figure that a larger
vehical that has better mileage is better than trying to resuscitate, the
Subaru.
Greg H.
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From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 13:11
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out
1st Cav - Ft Hood.
Greg H.
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From: greg [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 14:49
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
where? i was in 3AD
Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
http
OK, I'll bite: What the heck is a 62 ton M-1 Abrems?
Perry
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
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where? i was in 3AD
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From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
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From: Hakan Falk
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:19 PM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] SUV question - Silk Purses out of Sows Ears
I believe an SUV is defined by the frame on which it is built. This is
essentially a truck frame. Being classified as a truck, the SUV also
qualifies
for a tax deduction
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