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Sent: Monday, 28 April, 2008 9:49:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
doug wrote:
Hi,
You are saying you got 56mpg from your Prius: I have a 307 Peugeot Diesel
get ~17Km/L: ie about 50M/imp Gallon (about 10% bigger than
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's an oil crisis? Maybe I don't understand the term. I hear the
price is rising for liquid petroleum fuel products, but in a free
market economy, that's not a crisis, it's an adjustment.
Yes, unless I missed
Kirk McLoren wrote:
I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are
so many laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if
they pinch you. Kirk
I can't recall a time when I first learned of a law is when I was
pinched. I'm still relatively young, perhaps
Chip Mefford wrote:
There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to
go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the
surface. But essentially, the nationwide 55mph speed limit
was about as popular as prohibition, and caused many of
the same problems.
That was
doug wrote:
Hi,
You are saying you got 56mpg from your Prius: I have a 307 Peugeot Diesel
get ~17Km/L: ie about 50M/imp Gallon (about 10% bigger than a US Gallon I
think: one of the few things the Poms can claim is bigger than in the
States!!)
If the Pug is driven with economy in
this planet hasn't seen a free market in over 600 years, beginning with the
british empire. noone really knows what one looks like. people keep treating
money like its a commodity, when its just multicolored scratch paper. if we
could ever get back to trading value-added materials for goods
Hi,
You are saying you got 56mpg from your Prius: I have a 307 Peugeot Diesel
get ~17Km/L: ie about 50M/imp Gallon (about 10% bigger than a US Gallon I
think: one of the few things the Poms can claim is bigger than in the
States!!)
If the Pug is driven with economy in mind, the recent
On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:09 PM, Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's an oil crisis? Maybe I don't understand the term. I hear the
price is rising for liquid petroleum fuel products, but in a free
market economy, that's not a crisis, it's an adjustment.
Yes, unless I missed
was not actually fuel
savings, but rather massive revenue gains for the Highway Patrol.
Cheers,
Josh
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Sent: Friday, 25 April, 2008 2:46:30 AM
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From: Chip Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, 25 April, 2008 2:46:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
Brian Schneider wrote:
Hello,
Just a comment, why don't we in the US do something else
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| Cheers,
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| Josh
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| Brian Schneider wrote:
| Hello,
| Just a comment
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Well,
I happen to drive a VW Jetta TDI that does get good fuel milage. I
consistently get between 45 and 49 mpg and can go over 600 miles per
tank of fuel. But I do notice that my milage does drop a little when
I am on the interstate driving the speed limit or better (to keep up
with
I have a 2002 Golf: on a flat road at 1850 rpm or about 59 mph, it gets
close to 60 mpg. On I 95 in the US, where it is impossible to go less than
70 mph without being killed by a trucker, the mileage drops into the
high 40's, at 80 or so, into the low 40's.
If I had another gear (6th) I think
Hello,
Just a comment, why don't we in the US do something else that was
done in the 70's oil crisis...drop the speed limit back to 55. It is
proven to reduce the amount of fuel being used by in some estimates
15 to 20 percent. People that I have talked about that to seem
repulsed by the
Brian Schneider wrote:
Hello,
Just a comment, why don't we in the US do something else that was
done in the 70's oil crisis...drop the speed limit back to 55.
There were a *lot* of problems with this. I'm not going to
go into it all, in fact, I'm barely going to scratch the
surface. But
So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary
to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
help decrease our dependance on foreign oil or any oil for that
matter then it should be
I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are so many
laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if they pinch you.
Kirk
Brian Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary
to help or protect those
: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary
to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
help decrease our dependance on foreign oil
I was going to say the same. Not sure on how to do it, but it's going
to take a full-fledged attitude change from everyone - not more
legislation. How do you convince an entire nation that, for the good of
the country and oneself, not to buy the Hummer, to car-pool, stop eating
GM foods, and
Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary
to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
help decrease our dependance on foreign oil or any oil
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Brian Schneider wrote:
| So then what would be the suggestion? Sometimes laws are necessary
| to help or protect those who can't or won't do it them selves.
| If on a national level if lowering the speed limit 10 to 15 mph would
| help decrease our
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Kirk McLoren wrote:
| I am in favor of new laws - only if you recind an old one. There are
so many laws now the only way you know you are breaking one is if they
pinch you.
| Kirk
Lol!
I'd say rescind at least 100 old per 1 new.
Actually should
can that be? The denver police enforce the State law, banning
it.
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:28 AM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil
Interesting conversation. We all agree that the one thing that needs
to happen is a change in attitude of people about fuel use or fuel
conservation. I am afraid that we are living in a country that has
had it too easy too long and no one is going to change anything (or
should I say
laws definitely do matter. just because there are a lot of stupid
laws, that's no reason to discourage or oppose sensible ones. there's
nothing wrong with a 55mph speed limit. did people ignore it? sure.
did most people ignore it? not a chance. people violate the speed
limit more now than
There's an oil crisis? Maybe I don't understand the term. I hear the
price is rising for liquid petroleum fuel products, but in a free
market economy, that's not a crisis, it's an adjustment. Is anyone
with enough money actually unable to obtain oil products?
Oddly, I'm not hearing that the
Then mandate higher fuel efficiency in vehicles. Oh, I know, put the
onus on the
victims as has been done throughout history. What do you drive? What
is your
fuel efficiency at 30 mph? When it matches mine at 75 mph then talk to me.
Otherwise, this ain't one of the solutions.
Perry Jones
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Sent: Thu 4/24/2008 6:40 PM
To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We Need To Solve The Oil Crisis--Now
laws definitely do matter. just because there are a lot of stupid
laws, that's
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