Hello Joe,
My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
If you are carefull then you dont use BD during the wash. (at least you
should not)
What you loose is contaminents like
Hey Andrew,
Thanks for the info and advice..
I will work harder..
On 1/8/07, Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Joe,
My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
In your terms 100ml VWO - 96ml finished BD
I wash 5 times stirring with a paint stirrer.
What is your real problem?
Yre you getting emulsion? or draining problem?
Andrew
Hey Andrew,
Thanks for the info and advice..
I will work harder..
On 1/8/07, Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Joe,
My experience is that I get about 96%-100% yield for the whole process.
In
my problem is emulsion.. i guess just just have to practice a few more
times, and also allow longer reaction time (more than 24 hrs) before
washing..
Thanks,
On 1/9/07, Tonomár András [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is your real problem?
Yre you getting emulsion? or draining problem?
Andrew
On Jan 5, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Joe Neo wrote:
If i use, say, 100ml of BD and add 50 ml of hot water for washing
(stir for 15 mins), will i get back 100ml of washed BD or less?
There should be very little if any volume loss. The actual volumes
of soap and methanol that will be washed out are
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From:
Ken Provost
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:56
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing FFAs
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote:
Question #2: Why does the FFA separate quickly
?
Tom
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:47 PM
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its because of that difference in miscibility i bet. ill have to look
to be sure, but i think with glycerine
On Sat, 2006-08-26 at 09:39 -0400, Thomas Kelly wrote:
I don't know what you ask about using FFA in place of castor oil to
distill ethanol. Do you mean to dehydrate the ethanol?
Tom
i
also wonder if the ffa content can be used in place of castor oil to
Thanks Ken. I'll give it a
try.
Tom
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From:
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To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 3:56
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing FFAs
On Aug 25, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Thomas Kelly wrote
its because of that difference in miscibility i bet. ill have to look
to be sure, but i think with glycerine being an alcohol, and ffa being a
lipid that the glycerine will dissolve in the water, but ffa's do not. i
also wonder if the ffa content can be used in place of castor oil to
distill
Charles,
I've been separating the glycerin mix prior to washing. After much
tweaking I am finally making BD that washes easily and passes quality tests.
I have plans for the glycerin mix. Now that the weather is warming up I
plan to use phosphoric acid to split the mix into Fatty
On Mar 30, 2006, at 1:10 AM, Charles List wrote:I've been doing a bit of research as I begin to up-scale my processing and I see that the University of Idaho published areport on biodiesel production where they wash the combinedglycerol/ methyl ester mixture before separation, saying that
Hi Tom
Charles,
I've been separating the glycerin mix prior to washing. After much
tweaking I am finally making BD that washes easily and passes quality tests.
I have plans for the glycerin mix. Now that the weather is warming up I
plan to use phosphoric acid to split the mix into Fatty
Hi Charles
Hi all
I've been doing a bit of research as I begin to up-scale my
processing and I see that the University of Idaho published a report
on biodiesel production
It's here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethyl_esters.html
Optimization of a Batch Type Ethyl Ester Process
Hello John
would it be possible to add water to the outlet pipe of biodiesel
reactor while transferring it to the wash tank and then just letting
it settle. something like the same way coke syrup and soda water is
mixed in a restaurant or MC Donall's.
Could be worth a try, though I don't
Keith Addison wrote:
Could be worth a try, though I don't know anything about McDonald's
methods of mixing their deadly liquids.
Nice one!
The candy man can cause he mixes it with love and makes the world go
round
ROFLMAO!
Joe
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Keith
FYI
It's not a McDonald's mixing machine. It is the design of the soda company. In the old days we use to put some Coke syrup in a glass and then add soda water (hence ... the SODA FOUNTAIN).
I guess I'm dated now. LOLRoy
Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello Johnwould it be
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing method
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:28:53 +0900
Hello John
would it be possible to add water to the outlet pipe of biodiesel
reactor while transferring it to the wash tank and then just letting
it settle. something like the same way coke syrup and soda water
Keith
FYI
It's not a McDonald's mixing machine. It is the design of the soda
company. In the old days we use to put some Coke syrup in a glass
and then add soda water (hence ... the SODA FOUNTAIN).
I guess I'm dated now. LOL
Roy
Hey, I remember that. You could make it at home too, people had
Hi Todd
Pieter,
It did at the beginning of the thread.
And is again (thankyou!), despite diversions.
So after gently stir washing the biodiesel (with a low tech piece of
wood trim) with about half part water as fuel I let it settle 24
hours and drained off the milky water. I was happy to
Pieter,It did at the beginning of the thread. So after gently stir washing the biodiesel (with a low tech piece of wood trim) with about half part water as fuel I let it settle 24 hours and drained off the milky water. I was happy to discover no emulsion. I took Kieth's advice and tried Jan
a
start.
Tom Irwin
From: Joe Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:21:08 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
Can you give us details on this. Is anyone doing this currently?
Joe
Tom Irwin wrote:
Hi all,
For those of you that needs
it should be fine.
Tom Irwin
From: bob allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:31 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused:
Epsom
salt is hydrated
Can you give us details on this.¬Ý Is anyone doing this currently?
Joe
This message didn't make it into the archives for some reason so I'll
send it again:
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:56:38 +0900
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel
]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:21:08 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?Can you give us details on this. Is anyone doing this currently?JoeTom Irwin wrote:
Hi all,
For those of you that needs it, the glycerol can alsobe converted via anaerobic digestor to methane for stoves
Greetings skapegoat
I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last made biodiesel. Have
a look at this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html
Re: [biofuel] Best Processer
Okay then, here's a question. Why don't you write a book? I mean
you're a journalist,
allen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:31 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom
salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your
advice is sound as always
dramatically.
Tom Irwin
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:56:38 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org
2005 06:56:38 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?Greetings skapegoat I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last made biodiesel. Have a look at this: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.html Re: [biofuel] Best ProcesserOkay then, here's a question. Why don't you write
: Keith Addison
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:56:38
-0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?Greetings
skapegoat I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last
made biodiesel. Have a look at this:
http://www.mail
@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:56:38 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
Greetings skapegoat
I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last made biodiesel. Have
a look at this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/javascript:kh6k0(new,[EMAIL PROTECTED]
tainablelists.org)biofuel
prefer
being a list member and getting on with business.
Big Smile,
:-)
You did ask.
Keith
Tom Irwin
From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:56:38 -0300
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
Greetings skapegoat
I could
Greetings the skapegoat
I did notice that a lot of the chemistry in the book was wrong.
His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the
methanol that was washed out. He does recommend not using BD with
certain types of tubes, as the methanol will destroy it.
Because of the
Why "wash" it out? Why not evaporate it and recover it, even as small
a value as it is, rather than flush it with the wash water?
Actually, that's what I was asking about when I mentioned distilling the BD. Do you have the apparatus you are talking about? It sounds like a rather complicated
I could be wrong, but I wonder when Joshua last made biodiesel. Have a look at this:http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/msg35652.htmlRe: [biofuel] Best Processer
Okay then, here's a question. Why don't you write a book? I mean you're a journalist,andjournalists write things.
Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom
salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your
advice is sound as always.
Appal Energy wrote:
His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the methanol
that was washed out
Why wash
Thank you Bob.
I'm mentally frayed this week. Lucky the wine cask is empty or I'd be
plopped down right next to it.
Todd Swearingen
bob allen wrote:
Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom
salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your
@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 10:10:31 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?Howdy Todd, just a tiny correction, lest anybody get confused: Epsom salt is hydrated magnesium _sulfate_ not sulfide. Regardless, your advice is sound as always.Appal Energy wrote: His main argument seemed to be against losing
I did notice that a lot of the chemistry in the book was wrong.
His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the methanol that was washed out. He does recommend not using BD with certain types of tubes, as the methanol will destroy it.
I am certainly planning on washing my BD, I
on 8/11/05 4:56 PM, the skapegoat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His main argument seemed to be against losing the
energy in the methanol that was washed out.
The energy does you no good if your particular
thermodynamic cycle can't take advantage of it.
What is the cetane rating of methanol?
His main argument seemed to be against losing the energy in the methanol
that was washed out
Why wash it out? Why not evaporate it and recover it, even as small a
value as it is, rather than flush it with the wash water?
I'll leave the energy and bio-accumlation numbers to the slide rule
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
on 8/11/05 4:56 PM, the skapegoat at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
His main argument seemed to be against losing the
energy in the methanol that was washed out.
The energy does you no good if your particular
thermodynamic cycle can't take advantage of it.
What
Greetings the skapegoat
The JTF website strongly recommends washing and the Josh Tickell
book seems to suggest it isn't necessary and possibly even
detrimental.
Bad book! See:
http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/31729/
You might also note that the JtF website says why it strongly
I always wash *and* neutralize the leftover lye - but then I'm pretty
paranoid. Some of the gurus I met at Piedmont don't, others swear you
have to.
the skapegoat wrote:
The JTF website strongly recommends washing and the Josh Tickell book
seems to suggest it isn't necessary and possibly
, 2005 3:03 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing?
I always wash *and* neutralize the leftover lye - but then I'm pretty
paranoid. Some of the gurus I met at Piedmont don't, others swear you
have to.
the skapegoat wrote:
The JTF website strongly recommends washing
Welcome Kobus
Hi all im a newcomber to making biodiesel and will be making my
first batch soon but need some help in washing the diesel
See:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bubblewash.html
Washing:
Why bother?
Which way is best?
Mist-washing
Bubble washing
Stir washing
Settling
I might be able to help a bit. I have used a pump
like yours. It was a fritz. Then I switched to a luft pump by coral sea. It
worked much better for a while. Then the case cracked and it leaked air. I'm
guessing the plastic case couldn't handle the gasses from bio-d production. I
liked
Hello DB
I might be able to help a bit. I have used a pump like yours. It was
a fritz. Then I switched to a luft pump by coral sea. It worked much
better for a while. Then the case cracked and it leaked air. I'm
guessing the plastic case couldn't handle the gasses from bio-d
production.
Not sure I will talk to you on the week end on the phone.. love me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 5:23 PM
To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WASHING
Hello Vince
Bubble
you can harden soft water by adding Mg or Ca ions. I use Epsom salt:
MgSO4.7H2O
Vincent zadworny wrote:
hello all,
justa few questions about washing, i have bought an aquarium pump with
two different settings on it Hi \ Lo and am wondering if hi is to many
bubbles. i haven't read
Hello Vince
Bubble washing might not be the best method anyway. We still use it,
but mostly we stir-wash - faster and better, and it doesn't oxidise
your fuel. But you have to process it properly in the first place,
with good completion. Well, you have to do that anyway, don't you?
See:
Hi Terry,
Looks like the reaction2RCOONa + Ca (Acetate)2-- (RCOO)2Ca + 2Na(Acetate) to me.(soluble soap)+ (hard water)--(insol. scum)+ (soluble salt)
Bill has achieved a way of removing fatty acids dissolved in biodiesel. Congrats to Bill. Sabash! Terry DeSimone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello
: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Hello Bill,
Thought I'd read about everything there was on biodiesel,but don't recall
anything on water hardness. Could you direct me to a link or post so I
can learn
more about this? By hardness I'm assuming you mean calcium?
Terry
Bill Clark [EMAIL
@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Biodiesel
Bill:
The folks in your town should be thankful. After their shower they
still have a thin layer of natural (and yet clean) oils on their skin.
Others, like me, need to soften our water
Direct release into a stream is ill advised, no matter what it is that
you're processing. Better for you to apply it as gray water irrigation
upsight from any drainage and let the soils filter it further, all the while
getting some utility out of both the large volume of water and any
This is a much avoided question but central to the longterm viability of a
process. I don't have the answer but know that the water would probably be
considered a hazardous waste because of its alcohol content. Don't know what
to do about it but somebody must have had wash water tested for
viability of a process. I don't have the answer but know that the
water would probably be considered a hazardous waste because of its
alcohol content. Don't know what to do about it but somebody must
have had wash water tested for contaminents. I'm not really
surprised that folks don't
i have already posted a message in relation to this
matter
Three times before this one, all of them similar.
and the answers i have gotten do not suffice.
All your questions were answered, the last time along with those of
another member asking similar questions around the same time.
to settle out any soap. and you can heat it up slightly to help release the
remaining water..DB
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From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing
Hi all,
I have made
Hi all,
I have made biodiesel from wvo. The product appears
clearer without washing. When I washed it the
biodiesel became murky. After several washes it
remained murky. can someone tell me what the problem
is?
fox
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can someone tell me what the problem
is?
Are you letting it settle for a good chunck of time? It is probably water
suspended in the fuel. Is the fuel cold (say around or below 10 deg c?).
-dave
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Chickensoup!
(at least a mild case).
When heating does not disperse an emulsion you have to resort to heavier
mallets. Usually lowering/raising the pH does the trick. Since you do not
want
any more emulsion, you should lower the pH, using citric acid, vinegar or
phosphoric acid in na 10% or less
reaction? h.
Thanks again,
Joey
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Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 10:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Washing Gone Wayward
Chickensoup!
(at least a mild case).
When heating
Excellent insight Aleks, thank you very much. I'll give it a shot and
post
my findings. My goodness, the learning curve is time intensive!
Now, however, I'm curious as to why mono or di glycerides would
concentrate
in the wash water. Enough catalyst but not enough methanol? Incomplete
diluted with water. Switch to KOHDB
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water
has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results
to the rest of us??
I
a
hard time getting me on one, but I surf or swim in the ocean everyday if I
can...January is a nice time to be here..Aloha...DB
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Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water
has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those
results to the rest of us??
I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds
B) Recover your soap fraction from the gray water. Accomplished by treating
the waste water with magnesium or aluminum sulfate.
can you explain more about this?? please give some details
thanks
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treating the waste water with magnesium or aluminum sulfate.
can you explain more about this?? please give some details
thanks
To save Todd the trouble, and in yet another attempt to encourage the
use - the PRIOR use (look before ask) - of the Extremely Useful But
Vastly Under-used
lowering pH and locking out nutrients to the
plants.
Todd Swearingen
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Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water
B) Recover your soap fraction from the gray water. Accomplished
has anyone had the wash water tested?? and will to provide those results to
the rest of us??
I know that wash water will kill grass and weeds very well, when using sodium
instead of potassium.
i want to know what i can do to make it less toxic to the grass. any help??
thanks
challeng71
weather conditions. Hydrated lime would be a quick pH adjuster,
both for soil and gray water.
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Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] washing water
has anyone had the wash water tested
heated up to remove some methanol. Then I delute it 1/4 glycerin to 3/4
water add 1/4 cup blood or feather meal 1 cup bone meal and water my fruit
trees with it. I live in Hawaii and my banana trees are very
happyPunasurfer
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From: tommy newman [EMAIL
wash waters on it :) The methanol and lye gie it a rude surprise that it
doesn't recover from :)
Luc
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From: tommy newman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 7:31 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] washing water
I am very much interested
: [biofuel] washing biodiesel in large processor
Ardis,
You will find, after enough experimentation and out of pocket costs, that
mechanical agitation in a wash tank is the least expensive, consumes the
least energy, requires the least amount of time and leaves you with a
finished product as good
Hi Todd, Ardis
I agree with Todd, it's confirmed by what we've found and what we do
and what the people we work with have found.
Ardis,
You will find, after enough experimentation and out of pocket costs, that
mechanical agitation in a wash tank is the least expensive, consumes the
least
Ardis,
You will find, after enough experimentation and out of pocket costs, that
mechanical agitation in a wash tank is the least expensive, consumes the
least energy, requires the least amount of time and leaves you with a
finished product as good as or better than mist- or bubble-washing.
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Washing 1 liter batches
From steven mesibov:
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DATE: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:19:32 -0700
associated/downstream
problems. But those are the predominant ones.
Todd Swearingen
- Original Message -
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Washing 1 liter batches
From steven
From steven mesibov:
FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
DATE: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:19:32 -0700 (PDT)
SUBJECT: Re: [biofuel] Washing 1 liter batches
Keith, Todd, et. al.,
I have read so much on the need for washing and the different methods and
on the fact that violent washing is okay
up with another half-dozen associated/downstream
problems. But those are the predominant ones.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Washing 1 liter batches
I made a 1 liter batch last week and I did it this way:
i mix 200ml.of methanol with a 3 o 4 grams of lye..in my case was a granular
lye..is so litlle that i measured with a teaspoon...about 3/4 of the teaspoon.i
put it in the blender..and old kitchen blender and shake it.then after is
Hello Brian
Hello. I am just starting in the production of my own
biodiesel. I have made several 1 liter test batches,
Good for you!
but I'm not sure how to wash them. I can't find
anything online particular to small batches, but I
have found sources that say bubblewashing will be too
Matt,
Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce
the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem is that the emulsions
shouldn't occur in properly prepared fuel, meaning that rather than solving
the problems of incomplete reactions, their inventors chose to try
: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:45 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Matt,
Mist and bubble washing are methods that were developed to prevent or reduce
the formation of emulsions. The biggest problem
Yes Ryan,
As do all methods if they are conducted properly.
Todd Swearingen
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From: Pool, Ryan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Washing methods/Pressure
Preventing the poor reaction
you've done that then you can move on to the Foolproof method if
you like, as many do.
Bes wishes
Keith
Thanks,
Ryan
-Original Message-
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 11:45 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing
check the pH. if its not washed any aluminium parts of the engine will
corrode.
-Original Message-
From: j_schearer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2004 2:42 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [biofuel] Washing biodiesel
I am a newcomer to the discussion
x-charset ISO-8859-1Jonathan,
To wash or not to wash? Take your pick. It's your poison.
Todd Swearingen
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From: j_schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 11:41 AM
Subject: [biofuel] Washing biodiesel
I am a
Hello Jonathan, welcome
I am a newcomer to the discussion board, so please bear with
me. Is washing the biodiesel a necessary step? Reading
Joshua Tickell's book, he claims that he does not wash the
biodiesel and has not had any problems running it. Then when
I looked at the Journey to Forever
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Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:06 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing info and water pollution
Franklin,
Magnesium sulfate (Epsom Salt) added to your waste wash water will alter
the
suspended soaps from dissolvable sodium or potassium to insolvent
magnesium
soaps
-Original Message-
From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 9:06 PM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Washing info and water pollution
Franklin,
Magnesium sulfate (Epsom Salt) added to your waste wash water will alter
the
suspended soaps from
@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 2:59 AM
Subject: RE: [biofuel] Washing info and water pollution
Thanks Todd
I will look for magnesium sulfate and switch to potassium OH instead of
sodium OH.
I will collect what ever greasy solid I can find and I will built grease
trap
will be pull of rain
water and soap mixed. It a remedial solution and better have permanent
remedies to eliminate water pollution.
Franklin
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My problem is not washing BD but how to treat the soap water before
damping to sewer line before I have a lot of soap water stock in my 2
pieces 100 liters plastic drum
Keith,
instead of using bubbles on the washing can you circulate the water from the
bottom of the wash tank up into like a sprinkler head and let it spray or drip
back down on top of the biofuel? Not a lot of pressure just flow.
Rick M
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Keith,
instead of using bubbles on the washing can you circulate the water from the
bottom of the wash tank up into like a sprinkler head and let it spray or drip
back down on top of the biofuel? Not a lot of pressure just flow.
Rick M
Yes you can, but why? More complicated, probably more
Cool Deal,
That all makes sense to me. I will use the bubble washing process. I have
made what I think is 3 one litre batches of biodiesel. 2 from new oil and 1
from used oil. All 3 have seperated very clearly. I am going to try to wash
the 3 and see what happens.
Thanks
Rick M
Hello Paul
Hey folks,
Made a mini-batch the other night and am going to try mix up my fist 5
gallon batch later this week. I thought for kicks, and future process
practice I'd even try to wash it and get some top grade stuff out of
it. I have a few questions after reading over the material on
I have considered biodiesel production for some years now and wonder about
the confusions and the truth about several procedures.Doing it right and
cleanly should be upmost in everyone's mind.The Big Oil Business has
a terrible
record of doing anything cleanly as i know from years of living in
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