[biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
I know I am new, but given the amount of email and persons on this list, I choose to subscribe digest mode so that I am not bombarded with emails. If possible I would like to request that people kindly trim off any unneccessary email from their emails. Over 70% of the last digest was people

Re: [biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-17 Thread Gregg Davidson
Hi Derek, You may or may not be able to get chemicals from Fisher. Unless they have changed policies, if you are an individual not a business, you could only buy non-chemical items from them if you open an account. Red Devil brand lye is good enough. Gregg - Original Message -

[biofuel] info on our upcoming seminars

2004-06-17 Thread Marc Orion Cardoso
Hello evryone, go to living off the grid 2 for information on our upcoming seminars. Marc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM

[biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-17 Thread Arcologic
The old timers here may have better info than me. You should look for a local source, shipping will be the major cost if you shop well. Try this site: www.chemistrystore.com In the trade, the commodity you want is called caustic potash. The 85% material should be very good for your use.

Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread rico suavae
I don't agree with alot of the people here. Thats why I like it here. You can't learn much from people who think the same as you.But I have to agree with Keith on this.The only thing I would add is a couple of plays from the Hitler play book.Number one,when running an oppressive regime,give

Re: [biofuel] Dream Processor

2004-06-17 Thread rico suavae
Don't feel like your being ignored.Sometimes we get off on a tangent and forget our manners,Hello and welcome.From what I understand Keith,who is the board moderator was in the process of moving to a new house when you first signed on. Its kind of a self serve place with lots of help when

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread bmolloy
Hi Keith/John et al, Thanks for putting me right on the scope of this group, Keith. Us newbies tend to errrors of ignorance. H'sever, I'm pleased. It gives me carte blanche to address John's very pertinent point regarding democracies as the most progressive form of

Re: [biofuel] Producing Hydrogen

2004-06-17 Thread robert luis rabello
John Woolsey wrote: I am interested in looking into the current techniques for producing hydrogen. The technology is, for the most part, old, well understood and expensive! What is considered most efficient. Electrolysis is endothermic at voltages below 1.3 per cell, so it's

[biofuel] Re: Two Stage process -- design to add methoxide

2004-06-17 Thread biobenz
Do you know of anyone besides the inventor that has one in operation? Soon, very soon. I pick up the Processor tomorow AM and then I just need to plumb it all together. It's been an ongoing and progressive project :) The system G-Mark has put together hit home with me and then by scouring

[biofuel] Biodiesel on Radio

2004-06-17 Thread Richard U
For anyone interested...Skip Goebel will be on the Jeff Rense show Wednesday night (6-16) discussing biodiesel. http://www.rense.com/ If you miss it, it will be in his archives. Richard U ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ ^..^ Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will

[biofuel] Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread Angus Scown
Thought I would let other counties know how the Australian Government is about to make it illegal to produce biodiesel at home without a license. They are bringing in a fuel excise of Aus$ 0.39 for biodiesel for commercial and home manufacturers. You can read about it more if interested at

[biofuel] Glycerin Conversion

2004-06-17 Thread steven mesibov
This is the response I got from my coworker who is a chemist. Anybody tried this? I think I tried the acetic acid once in college under somebodies door, but I don't remember any french fry smelling bio-diesel as a result... ;-) steven mesibov [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/16/04 10:45am John,

Re: [biofuel] US political humor

2004-06-17 Thread MH
Operation: Iraqi Liberation (OIL) REMINDER Shoot first and ask for international help later. ÷IronicTimes.com According to the New York Times, last year White House lawyers concluded that President Bush could legally order interrogators to torture and even kill people in the interest

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread Hakan Falk
Bob, Democracy (=people rule) means that the decisions are taken directly by the people. The only democracy that is coming close to this, is the democracy in Switzerland. The most common democracy is the indirect democracy, the people elects trusted representatives that make the decisions

[biofuel] Re: Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread nick_75au
Hi, Yep our all wise and all knowing forward seeing government making the right decisions again, just like the ethanol debate last year. Angus, are you making biofuel, where are you located, im in Sydney, soon to be in Brisbane and as soon as I get there will be starting the learning curve

Re: [biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-17 Thread Keith Addison
What is a good source for purchasing KOH in the States? Do you have to go through chemical suppliers like Fisher Scientific? What level of purity is required? KOH is not as strong as NaOH -- use 1.4 times as much KOH (actually 1.4025 times). Titration is the same, just use a 0.1% KOH solution

[biofuel] Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread canros_uk
This is not the first time that an authoritative source has declared there was no proven link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Bush and Cheney continue to assert Iraq had links to al-Qaeda Perhaps they assert these links so strongly because they know who arranged them?

[biofuel] Supplies in Australia

2004-06-17 Thread nick_75au
Can anyone point me in the right direction on obtaining biodiesel supplies in australia, I found a source of methanol, minimum quantity 12 44(55 US)gallon drums delivered for roughly $1.00 per litre (I cant store that at home) so looking at getting smaller ammounts. Where can I get

Re: [biofuel] Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread Donald Allwright
The situation is similar here in the UK. Basically you have to pay duty on vehicle fuel, even if it's home brewed (can't remember the exact amount off the top of my head), and although the licence is supposed to be easy to obtain it's a definite disincentive to starting up. I'm currently using

[biofuel] Re: Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread biobenz
First off, I wouldn't disclose which part of the country I was in. Secondly it should be no surprise that a government headed by John Howard the coward would be in bed with oil interests; after all that IS what the Iraq invasion was all about, no? And Johnnie the coward Howard doesn't have

[biofuel] Re: wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread biobenz
Actually Lybia's system of revolutionary councils is very much similar to that of Switzerland's county councils in that many decisions are made at the local level as is accountability. Of course we don't hear too much about Lybia in a positive light since they nationalized oil and threw the

Re: [biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread ChrisMul2004
with ya there pal.. am sick of a lot of useless e mail regarding bio diesel, how do i choose digest mode? thanks chris mid england new to vegi oil using [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a

Re: [biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-17 Thread Appal Energy
What is a good source for purchasing KOH in the States? Do you have to go through chemical suppliers like Fisher Scientific? What level of purity is required? Any recommendations? I am at the point of starting some lab testing with NaOH and KOH. Thanks for the help. Derek You can find

Re: [biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread Appal Energy
how do i choose digest mode? First, you take a powder to recover from your sick[ness] over what you self-centeredly declare to be useless biodiesel info. Second, go to Yahoo Groups, then My Groups and then edit preferences for Digest Mode. Third, wipe your nose and wake up to the reality that

Re: [biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread ChrisMul2004
I know what your saying todd, but I keep getting middle east anti western groups popping to my e mail through the bio sites, with no contribution to waste / green managment issues, anyway sickness gone , nose wiped, learnings to be learnt, cheers freebird, [Non-text portions of this

RE: [biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread Hunt, Adam
Although I do think that the original poster is a bit off his rocker it would be nice in my opinion to spilt this list up. Maybe three lists, biodiesel-production, biodiesel-use and biodiesel-political. Just a thought. --adam -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread Brian
Remember all of the dictators in that area of the world need you to hate someone. Isreal, the US, Britain, someone. Because if you don't then you will start asking too many questions. If you substitute Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban, Arabs, Israelis... for your list, you have exactly

[biofuel] Re: Dream Processor

2004-06-17 Thread Brian
Brian, As one of those that read your post and didn't respond, at least to say welcome, I apologize. I am still in the process of making test batches to learn what I am doing and gathering parts to build my first processor, fairly heavily based on the fumeless processor of Mark's design. I

Re: [biofuel] Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread MH
canros_uk wrote: This is not the first time that an authoritative source has declared there was no proven link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Bush and Cheney continue to assert Iraq had links to al-Qaeda Perhaps they assert these links so strongly because they know who arranged

[biofuel] Re: wondering about this comment

2004-06-17 Thread Brian
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, may I ask a fool question? Is this a newsgroup that is mainly about alternative fuels, or is it a political outlet for folks that wouldn't be happy no matter what? I just wanted to say that I enjoy the political

[biofuel] Major Victory for Biodiesel in Delaware

2004-06-17 Thread Andre Shoumatoff
I was watching CNN last night (suprize no one has posted on it yet) and Delaware passed a bill yesterday saying that all diesel fuel will be converted to a biodiesel blend by 2006. I believe at B20... Prety cool I thought

Re: [biofuel] Re: Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread Andrew Lowe
biobenz wrote: First off, I wouldn't disclose which part of the country I was in. Secondly it should be no surprise that a government headed by John Howard the coward would be in bed with oil interests; after all [snip] Another thing to bear in mind about the Australian

[biofuel] Re: Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread biobenz
Ok, and now just WHOM is Al Queda REALLY ? We know who we are SUPPOSED to believe it/they are, but what have we got other than Bush,Rumsfeld, Rice and Cheney's word on it, not to mention other highly honourable people like Perle, Wolfowitz and Fleicher who we know would NEVER tell a lie

Re: [biofuel] Re: Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread John Woolsey
Let's hope the algea sink in the Ocean keeps working in fighting CO2 because apparently our politicians aren't going to help us for another ten years or so... Either that or the oil runs out which would probably solve a lot of other problems. The good news is I believe the Gen-Xers politicians

[biofuel] shop vac pump conversion

2004-06-17 Thread Jeremy
Someone once mentioned that for a few buck a shop vac could be converted into a pump, how is this done. My only guess is that one could put a coffee can over the filter/vacuum and run a hose out the other end and then out of the vacuum, but it seems maybe a bit difficult to keep a good vacuum

Re: [biofuel] Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread Keith Addison
Hi Stuart, Hoagy and all canros_uk wrote: This is not the first time that an authoritative source has declared there was no proven link between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Bush and Cheney continue to assert Iraq had links to al-Qaeda Perhaps they assert these links so strongly

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread John Woolsey
Try this test: Sit down and try to find something positive about US foreign policy. I am not going to mention anything specific at the moment I can think of a few things. Things that generally turned out well. Don't search the net find them in your head. Can't think of any can you? Now that

Re: [biofuel] KOH in the USA

2004-06-17 Thread steven mesibov
Todd, I just spent a half hour going through over a dozen soap making sites and the best I could find for catalyst was soap making kits with 4 ounce packets of lye. Could you point me in the right direction for finding the larger quantities of KOH flake? And while you are thinking about it,

RE: [biofuel] Request for listers

2004-06-17 Thread Keith Addison
Although I do think that the original poster is a bit off his rocker it would be nice in my opinion to spilt this list up. Maybe three lists, biodiesel-production, biodiesel-use and biodiesel-political. Just a thought. --adam Hello Adam Do you really think it would divide itself up so

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread Keith Addison
Who are you talking to, Mr Woolsey? Are you talking to me? Or to Luc? Or who? Why don't you put in at least enough of the previous messages for people to have some idea what you're talking about? Are you perhaps taking Andre Shoumatoff's rather too sweeping request a bit too literally, or do

Re: [biofuel] Re: Australia - home brewers have to pay excise

2004-06-17 Thread Bruce Colley
I still think there are ways to protect our future without projecting the ultimate doom of the planet. I look around at the recycling programs today and they astound me considering our lifestyle of 20 years ago. We need to find ways to change things for the better that are easily acceptable by

Re: [biofuel] Re: Cheney, Bush and Iraq 9/11 links

2004-06-17 Thread Hakan Falk
John, I think that your thought line in this is a little bit confused. It does not work this way. If you save somebody from drowning, you do not get any license to get out and kill somebody else. You are not likely to be facing a court if you save somebody, but hopefully will do so if you