[biofuel] Re: Choices and BTUs per passenger mile

2004-08-23 Thread Arcologic
Hi, Balaji, You had some great questions, and numbers on energy to move people. Okay, so I have a habit, but maybe I could sip a little home brew now and then? My VW Beetle can use home brew (biodiesel), and I am getting 60 miles per gallon on petrodiesel. With two people in the car, my

Re: [biofuel] Re: fuel treatment and gelling

2004-08-23 Thread Greg Harbican
Keith, Looking over the tables on: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#oils_esters , I could not help but wonder as I was looking at the Oils and esters characteristics table, if you could blend various oils to get a specific characteristic ester? For example: Blend some

[biofuel] (unknown)

2004-08-23 Thread Brian
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there any bobdy in here who is from indiana? I was wanting to touch base with some one for my first prodject. _ Express yourself instantly with MSN

[biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread Arcologic
Thanks, Ken, For the excellent response. Your suggested search worked great. I put gasoline ethanol water ternary phase diagram into Google, got a copy of the diagram at 21 deg. C. Here's the question I have thought about-- The diagram suggests that I can accomodate about 2% to 5% water in

[biofuel] Indiana

2004-08-23 Thread Brian
That's odd. It seemed to repost your original, but not my reply. I am currently a little north of Indy, but probably only for another month. What part of the state are you in? Brian --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, mark johnson

[biofuel] long! Re: Fwd: Heating element

2004-08-23 Thread girl mark
At 06:10 AM 8/23/2004 +, you wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, josephputzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I've just begun to build a processor out of two 55 gallon drums. I am having a 1 bushing welded to the drum so that I can put a screw- in heating element into the processor.

[biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello jseabolt2002 This came up on the list a couple of years back. I haven't done an archive search for it, but you might try it: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ IIRC it doesn't work that way, the water

Re: [biofuel] Bolivia?

2004-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Hi fellows: Can some body explain to me what has to do Bolivia with Kerry? Thanks Jose Hello Jose It's going to be either Bush again or Kerry in the White House, surely you don't think that the difference between them when it comes to foreign policy and especially to energy issues, more

[biofuel] Re: MEASURING WVO FOR MIXING

2004-08-23 Thread skillshare
What I do is to calibrate the water heater first, from a smaller measuring container, and set a mark on the sight tube (or on the pump output/sight tube ifyou don't have a separate sight tube) when I've reached the quantity that I think the water heater will handle. I use the calibrated

[biofuel] Re: Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps

2004-08-23 Thread skillshare
If you read the original long www.veggieavenger.com/media thread on the Appleseed (keith please link this thread from the journeytoforever article it's derived from), you will find an even cooler discovery that someone else made: the Pathtofreedom.com folks use their carboys to prime the

[biofuel] correction priming Clearwater pump- stuff from Biofuel list

2004-08-23 Thread girl mark
sorry, I realised I wrote gibberish and that it maybe didn't quite make sense: exerpt: the www.veggieavenger.com/media thread on the Appleseed (keith please link this thread from the journeytoforever article it's derived from) what I meant to say was: Keith, please add to my Appleseed

Re: [biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread pan ruti
Helo Ken and arcologic Alcohol extraction intead of distillation is an novel process inovation which is being studied in a semi comercial scale in Canada sucessfuly using simultaneaous fermentation and extraction using som solvent non toxic that is being recycled.(octanol) In

[biofuel] Re: Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps -G-Mark

2004-08-23 Thread bioveging
All this came about by following your recommendations and hints, G- Mark. The gravity feed from the pre-heat is done via a braded tube that U-loops over the pump's intake and that gives it enough prerssure to prime the pump and send the heated WVO up the sight tube. This, of course, is

RE: [biofuel] NOX and catalytic converter use

2004-08-23 Thread Mccall Tom WP US
I believe that two way converters work on the hydrocarbons and Carbon monoxide. However, I think that they do some conversion of Nitrogen oxides to Nitrogen. However, most of the Nitrogen oxides are generated by the high temperature of combustion breaking down the N to N triple bonds. The

Re: [biofuel] Heating element

2004-08-23 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
Hi Joseph, once your Heating Element is installed to your Drum,take a Thermostate from a recycled Hotwatertank and fasten it to the Drum.Make your connections with a 12 gage wire to a Braker in your electrical Distributor.Phase against phase with the Thermostate in Line,there you go! Dont swich

Fw: [biofuel] Heating element

2004-08-23 Thread Friedrich Friesinger
- Original Message - From: Friedrich Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Heating element Hi Joseph, once your Heating Element is installed to your Drum,take a Thermostate from a recycled Hotwatertank

[biofuel] Fwd: Benefit Bash for BioDiesel this weekend!

2004-08-23 Thread Tilapia
In a message dated 8/23/04 11:06:39 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you haven't gotten your tickets yet...please, please forward to any and all who would be interested. Saturday,Ê August 28 * 7:00Ê at Memorial Hall CHARLES NEVILLEÊ Benefit Bash for Tom Leue BioDiesel The Charles

Re: [biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread Ken Provost
on 8/22/04 10:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The diagram suggests that I can accomodate about 2% to 5% water in ethanol and blend it with gasoline without separation at 21 deg. C. Yes, if you want to use mostly gasoline -- I personally like that big clear area at the

[biofuel] Re: Heating element

2004-08-23 Thread bioveging
First off your 1 inch bushing won't seal it completely without a whack of plumbing tape (the white stuff). Wherever they sell water heaters they usualy also have conversion flnges for those who have a square element and want to install a round screw in type, which is what I did, twice, once

[biofuel] Handy all Measurement Conversion Tool

2004-08-23 Thread bioveging
This is an .exe file that installs on your desktop or you can have it open in a directory/folder. Someone posted it here a while ago and I find that it is very useful when I need to convey to people in the US volumes that I only have in metric measurements.

Re: [biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread Greg Harbican
This may sound stupid, but, why not filter the beer to get the particles out, then freeze the water out? This was used by old timers to make a hard cider more potent. In the winter they would leave the fermented cider outside, over night, then throw out the water ice in the morning.

[biofuel] for member bioveging:

2004-08-23 Thread skillshare
When are you going to post (somewhere) some photos of this cabinet system of yours? please? Mark Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM

[biofuel] Re: Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps -G-Mark

2004-08-23 Thread skillshare
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All this came about by following your recommendations and hints, G- Mark. The gravity feed Hey, thank you very much for the kind words, but it's not just me who designed that system by any stretch. Lots and lots of

Re: [biofuel] Diesels...

2004-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Keith, On behalf of me, and I am sure many others, thank you for the recent excellent library on diesels, their operation and health and environmental effects. We need to know about the technology we are dealing with. Again, you are making all of us more knowledgeable and capable with your

Re: [biofuel] Need A Name Contest

2004-08-23 Thread James Slayden
GreaseWerks B100 :) James On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I have referred to in the past, Homestead Inc. and CoopPlus of Western Massachusetts are joining forces to create a new small commercial sized biodiesel processor in Western Massachusetts. Anticipated construction

[biofuel] Re: Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps -G-Mark

2004-08-23 Thread Keith Addison
Mark You're not a newcomer to Internet forums, and I'm sure you know that it's very bad Netiquette to post messages to one forum promoting another. That's generally accepted as a no-no and the online resources on Netiquette are quite clear about it. There are quite a few lists where doing

Re: [biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread pan ruti
Helo Greg The idea is very good one and not a stupid as the low temperature can surely favour the phase seperations and hence alcohol extraction using some thermal effect.This temperature effect should be also included and it should be optimized eventhouh the energy cost of the

[biofuel] Need A Name Contest

2004-08-23 Thread Tilapia
As I have referred to in the past, Homestead Inc. and CoopPlus of Western Massachusetts are joining forces to create a new small commercial sized biodiesel processor in Western Massachusetts. Anticipated construction date is by or before January of 2005. One thing that's a little stuck right

Re: [biofuel] Re: NOx and catalytic converter use.

2004-08-23 Thread Tilapia
The EPA and the Bush Administration have agreed that sulfur in American diesel fuel will be lowered to 15 ppm as of June 30, 2006. At that time it will be clean enough to not contaminate catalytic converters intended to reduce NOx contaminants. Can anyone definitively state that 2%

Re: [biofuel] Fw: Kerry and Bolivia: To the Right of Bush?

2004-08-23 Thread Sam Johnston
At 03:18 AM 8/23/2004 +0900, you wrote: Hi Keith, You're right about all that, mostly, but the q is what to do about it between now and Nov 2? I fully agree with your points about politics in the US and esp. the media. And I couldnt agree more about the importance of US policies to the rest

Re: [biofuel] Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread Ken Provost
on 8/22/04 10:19 AM, jseabolt2002 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's my theory. Gasoline and alcohol will mix. Alcohol and water also will mix. But gasoline is lighter than water so it floats and doesn't mix. So does that mean if you took the alcohol/water from the mash and mixed it

[biofuel] Chicago B100 bulk buy- anyone interested?

2004-08-23 Thread girl mark
Hi all, there is someone posting on the tdiclub forum, who is looking for others to purchase tote-quantities (275 gallon IBC containers) of B100. I know that I have heard a few people grumbling in the past about the fact that they didn't know any other biodieselers in Chicago but wanted to

[biofuel] MEASURING WVO FOR MIXING

2004-08-23 Thread mark johnson II
I PROBABLY BE ASKING ALOT OF QUESTIONS UNTIL I UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE PROCESS. I HAVE A 55 GALLON DRUM FOR MY WVO. AFTER I 'VE MADE MY METHOXIDE,ETC... HOW DO I KNOW HOW MUCH WVO TO PUMP INTO THE MY WATER HEATER? HOW DO I MEASURE THE WVO WHILE IT'S IN THE DRUM,AND BEFORE IT GOES IN WATER

[biofuel] Heating element

2004-08-23 Thread josephputzer
Hello all, I've just begun to build a processor out of two 55 gallon drums. I am having a 1 bushing welded to the drum so that I can put a screw- in heating element into the processor. I wanted the bushing so that I can take out the element for cleaning and whatnot. My trouble is that I'm

[biofuel] Re: Extracting alcohol instead of distilling?

2004-08-23 Thread jseabolt2002
--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello jseabolt2002 This came up on the list a couple of years back. I haven't done an archive search for it, but you might try it: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ IIRC it doesn't work that way, the water won't

Re: [biofuel] Diesels...

2004-08-23 Thread Tilapia
Keith, On behalf of me, and I am sure many others, thank you for the recent excellent library on diesels, their operation and health and environmental effects. We need to know about the technology we are dealing with. Again, you are making all of us more knowledgeable and capable with your

[biofuel] Re: Need help on setup of processor

2004-08-23 Thread skillshare
Hello Al, My comments between yours below... --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, pcambulance2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am a newbie to this site. I am located in Louisiana and looking for lots of guidance on setting up my own system. I have been on several sites. Initially I

[biofuel] Biodiesel Workshop in Salt lake City, September 1 and 2

2004-08-23 Thread girl mark
Homebrew Biodiesel Comprehensive Workshop Two evenings: September 1 and 2, 6-9 pm Salt Lake City, Utah for more information, to register, and for directions, please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] cost: $20-$50 sliding scale of your choice. Can be paid at the door, or to the instructor via PayPal

RE: [biofuel] Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps

2004-08-23 Thread Teoman Naskali
That is a good idea but when using wvo, you might find that it solidifies in the pump. A better idea would be to make the level of the pump adjustable. Lift it to a higher level once it starts going (don't get electrocuted) You could always do it after but then one would probably end up

[biofuel] Bolivia?

2004-08-23 Thread Jose Luis Hernandez Quisbert
Hi fellows: Can some body explain to me what has to do Bolivia with Kerry? Thanks Jose Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free!

[biofuel] Re: Need help on setup of processor

2004-08-23 Thread bioveging
Hey Al; Welcome to the list. There are many models of procesors that all do the job, it all depends on what your particular needs are. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor.html is where you can several examples. Personally I have opted for the Appleseed fumeless type processor,